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00:01:18,152\n現在對任何的可能性我們都不排除,但是我們也不去假設特別的狀況,這樣這個面才會出來。還沒有講,還不曉得就對了,還在追查中。我只能這樣回答,任何的可能性都不排除。大概有沒有,院長有沒有下達一個什麼,多久要破案,就是讓國人有點信心。\n\n4\n00:01:19,016 --> 00:01:19,216\n好,謝謝院長。\n\n5\n00:01:36,848 --> 00:02:04,760\n上禮拜二剛好我在教育質詢的時候那時候你有承諾我嘛有關於中共介入政論節目這個議題你說如果案情沒有太複雜的話一個禮拜要給國人交代啦那因為今天剛好一個禮拜上禮拜二到這禮拜二不知道這個事情目前查得怎麼樣上禮拜已經正式說這個調查局在立案調查當中對那時候是說要破案啦就是要跟大家講說到底有沒有這件事因為大家現在看政論節目很緊張嘛都不知道是不是被滲透啊\n\n6\n00:02:06,835 --> 00:02:31,084\n雖然在調查當中,我只能就程序上在調查,我沒有去了解他調查的內容﹖所以並沒有辦法在一個禮拜之內告訴大家﹖那可見案情不是那麼﹖因為你上禮拜二跟我講的,所以我今天就問一下﹖案情沒有那麼不單純﹖所以案情很複雜的﹖我認為他們所以還在調查當中﹖案情非常複雜,但是院長雖然你說案情很複雜,但NCC好像沒有做什麼事,我想問一下NCC對於這個案件有做什麼嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:31,944 --> 00:02:54,837\n跟委員報告一下這個時間第一時間發生的時候來講因為當相關的媒體並沒有指明是哪一個特定的節目所以我們第一個先那你有去問相關媒體嗎沒有我們通案式的處理你連問都沒有問沒有沒有我們通案式的處理請這個媒體的相關公學會什麼叫通案式處理就是說我們會我們發函給公學會去讓公學會了解說這個是相關的法尊的問題對好\n\n8\n00:02:56,498 --> 00:03:24,556\n昨天你們也有來立法院委員會我看你們報告院長問一下NCC這樣的態度你能不能接受他說他們就發函給工協會比如說中華民國廣電工會、學會等等學會表示對於會員所作所為不瞭解NCC結案院長你可以接受NCC這樣的態度嗎?NCC你知道現在被指涉的電視台是哪一家你知道嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:25,781 --> 00:03:53,076\n你知道嗎?根據昨天的媒體的報導來講的話是陸委會講的根據哪一間你不用講哪一間是東森新聞東森你昨天才知道我不是NCC我不是NCC喔我在這個媒體報導的當天我就知道了為什麼因為我沒有去打聽嘛有多少證據講多少話不好意思主委我沒有跟你講話我跟院長講話你是院長嗎我跟院長講話\n\n10\n00:03:53,996 --> 00:04:15,201\n我在當天我們就問了就說到底是哪一家人家做東森為什麼人家知道東森因為東森都有出具自由時報跟他們去求證的簡訊所以大家都知道東森結果我不是NCC我不是媒體主管機關我都知道結果媒體主管機關NCC昨天聽陸委會講才知道\n\n11\n00:04:16,081 --> 00:04:43,878\n院長,這種NCC你可以接受嗎?他是媒體的主管機關喔!而且當時大家把這個事情講得很嚴重喔!結果NCC昨天聽陸委會長才知道!院長你可以接受這麼蠻攤的NCC嗎?主委不是這個意思,請容許喔!是不是那個意思無所謂,我現在是說他昨天才知道那家電視台是哪一家,你可以接受嗎?我們還是以有公平的一個情況為主。我問院長啊!我問院長!\n\n12\n00:04:46,961 --> 00:05:03,359\n我相信主委不是這個意思但是也請容許我們的部委首長對任何的事件發生過程當中採取比較謹慎的方式來發言主委的意思我都聽得非常清楚他昨天聽陸委會長才知道我覺得非常蠻憨因為當時跟院長報告\n\n13\n00:05:05,982 --> 00:05:23,560\n在自由時報報導這個新聞的當天,民進黨黨團就開記者會。你知道他的記者會的主題是什麼嗎?你知道嗎?你一定不知道,我講給你聽喔。他說中共黑手介入台灣媒體,下一句叫做藍白立法架空NCC。\n\n14\n00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:46,087\n什麼意思呢就是這個事情這麼嚴重嚴重到說NCC一定要來處理而藍白很可惡居然在卡NCC讓NCC不能來處理這個是民進黨黨團當天媒體報導態度所以民進黨黨團對於NCC寄予厚望認為NCC就是要處理這件案子最重要的機關結果今天這個事情發生這麼久以後\n\n15\n00:05:47,608 --> 00:06:13,863\n主委昨天才知道是東森電視台,代表什麼?代表他連查都沒有查嘛,就是聊貝伊格嘛,官樣文章嘛,發個文,問相關工協會,叫相關工協會去問一下你們的會員,請你普發給所有會員,看看有沒有會員自己承認他們有幹這個事情,如果沒有,我就可以交差啦,我就可以沒事了,然後最後推給減掉,就沒有NCC的事情了。\n\n16\n00:06:14,703 --> 00:06:27,289\n院長,這是你的NCC主委的態度耶!我覺得他不是這個樣子,讓主委說明嘛。那你剛剛講說你昨天聽我會講的。錄委會是公權力機關,我們做行政調查上次以公權力機關的說法為準。對啦,那你沒有調查嘛!重點是說你也沒有調查嘛!你不要插話好不好!每一次來我這邊總之君我找院長,\n\n17\n00:06:41,235 --> 00:07:04,182\n指詢你就要一直插話,那等你當院長的時候我來質詢你嘛,你又不是院長。我也請主委回答。院長那也是要我請,因為我現在在跟你對話,啊如果總質詢你都一直找他,那你就總計啊。對不對,我就找你,因為我尊重你啊,我覺得你會處理事情跟NCC主委不一樣啊,所以我們才跟你對話,不然跟他對話他都一直插話,講些言不及義的,浪費我的時間,我才15分鐘了。\n\n18\n00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:28,018\n所以NCC主委這種蠻憨態度所以證明一件事情民進黨當時記者會把NCC過獄了啦把NCC講得過於重要好不好NCC根本沒在幹嘛那接下來院長我就要來問你NCC的事情那這件事情跟主委無關可不可以請主委先行休息謝謝\n\n19\n00:07:29,346 --> 00:07:55,136\n因為NCC有四個委員在7月31號就要卸任了嘛對不對按照NCC組織法的規定如果這四位委員新的委員到時候沒有經過立法院通過原來四個委員可以延任嘛對吧院長規定是這樣對不對是好那現在因為行政院送來的四個新任委員立法院一直沒有排審嘛是那院長你知道原因是什麼嗎\n\n20\n00:07:57,392 --> 00:08:25,191\n你知道為什麼沒有排審?我跟院長簡單講一下好不好?因為你要按照規定送來立法院,立法院要審嘛,對不對?總是想要知道一下總統派院長你對這四個委員的態度是什麼嗎?那現在卡到兩件事,第一件事是這四個委員是您前任的行政院長提過來的,我們並不知道說您對這四個委員的態度如何嘛,對不對?如果審對您也不尊重,因為未來這\n\n21\n00:08:26,507 --> 00:08:43,264\n是要跟您配合的。第二個原因是好像即便是你對這四個委員你願意支持可是您本人好像也沒有來跟立法院講一下說這幾個委員優點在哪裡或如何如何所以當然可能也不知道說該排好還是不排好\n\n22\n00:08:44,325 --> 00:09:03,308\n排了萬一對卓榮泰院長不尊重那怎麼辦呢?因為我相信大家對卓榮泰院長還是有一定的尊重,因你的備份還有你的協調,你帶人簽核,大家對你還是有一定的尊重。所以會希望說你對這個事情表態要明確一點。那不知道說你對這四個委員你是支持的嗎?\n\n23\n00:09:03,789 --> 00:09:14,772\n好,謝謝委員的好意。第一個,6月25日的程序委員會,大院裡面的程序委員會曾經又一次把它補列案。所以我的覺得是這案一直在\n\n24\n00:09:16,121 --> 00:09:18,041\n你有沒有考慮新提四個人選?\n\n25\n00:09:45,538 --> 00:10:10,595\n沒有就是按照你目前來說有沒有可能一直卡住啊啊因為你也沒有來溝通嗎今天要不是我問你的話我根本不知道你態度是因為我我是認為程旭文一直在就那您要跟立法院講一下嗎我們是說我感覺好像今天變我做球給你了讓你來講理論上院長應該主動院長應該說這四個人我們很希望立法院通過你主動跟大家講說這個雖然是陳建仁提的可是是我支持的\n\n26\n00:10:11,175 --> 00:10:35,885\n然後優點在哪裡?對不對?讓大家可以進一步嘛。現在你都沒有出征。你都沒有出征,然後感覺我比你緊張。報告委員,我們在上個禮拜我就已經請秘書長就這個事情來詢問立法,我們該用什麼方式。一個告知、一個公文還是什麼。秘書長已經在上個禮拜在這個禮拜在做決定了。公文不夠啦。公文往來大家都知道是慣樣文章啦。院長\n\n27\n00:10:37,523 --> 00:11:04,105\n我覺得如果你覺得四個很重要就來因為我覺得這四個沒過齁陳耀祥要連任啊我覺得剛剛你看到他那種態度啊他如果繼續做NC主委中共如果介入政論節目還得了啊台灣人永遠看政論節目沒有安心的一天啊當時民進黨說中共有中央廚房欸中央廚房影響政論節目我現在看政論節目啊我都在想說是不是有中央廚房欸\n\n28\n00:11:05,711 --> 00:11:35,114\n當然現在已經有這樣的疑慮了。NCC被民進黨寄予厚望的NCC有發文給工協會。聽入委會才知道東森。這種NCC主委你要讓他繼續連任喔?院長你支持喔?所以院長接下來你就兩個抉擇。我講得很白就兩個抉擇。第一個抉擇是你7月31號你所支持的這四個陳炳宏、羅惠文、詹毅蓮、翁博忠\n\n29\n00:11:36,631 --> 00:12:04,286\n這一組人要做NCC委員還是陳耀祥、翁伯中、林立雲、王維京要做NCC委員?你就是做這個抉擇而已啊。如果你的不作為啊,你就是支持陳耀祥啦。你就是變相支持陳耀祥。讓消極的讓陳耀祥繼續做NCC主委。這個不是國人期待的啦。所以兩件事情。第一個,院長如果認為這四個很重要,請你積極跟立法院溝通。第二個,不然你再提四個。\n\n30\n00:12:05,575 --> 00:12:19,120\n因為本來制度的規定為什麼要讓NCC委員經過立法院的同意就是希望不斷的溝通讓他們有民意基礎嘛啊你沒有溝通人送過來要審不審隨便你反正你們沒過我還有陳耀祥這個寶在那邊\n\n31\n00:12:21,288 --> 00:12:25,292\n他有他的任期跟他的規劃,有他的任期跟規劃,對,但是現在不來我們就修法,把那個奇怪規定改掉\n\n32\n00:12:45,452 --> 00:13:10,664\n因為像那個監察委員如果新的人士沒有通過阿他們沒有延任大法官如果人士沒有通過舊的也不能延任所有機關只有NCC的委員新的沒有通過可以延任所有機關只有這樣所以院長你不積極或你不提新的人選你就在保送陳耀祥我覺得好可怕我真的覺得好可怕那我要問院長另外一個問題阿\n\n33\n00:13:12,162 --> 00:13:25,627\nNCG委員如果缺了4個會造成什麼影響?會像民進黨講的中共就介入我們政論節目嗎?會不會?缺4個會怎麼樣?iPhone沒辦法審查?NCG有非常多的事務關聯在裡面。委員做的決議才有執行的這個問題。委員做決議的時候人數不足。\n\n34\n00:13:39,045 --> 00:14:06,530\n委員人數為不足,沒辦法做決議。我願意講你講得比那個翁柏宗好,他說如果沒有NCC、iPhone沒辦法審查。你講得比較好。對啊,但是他把那個放重點了。他把那個放重點了,你講得比較好。所以我對你很有期待,請你趕快要嘛就積極推這四個,要嘛新提四個。好不好,你新提四個,大家來審嘛。不要讓陳耀強連任啊。然後再來我問一下那個地方的問題,請交通部長一起上來好不好。\n\n35\n00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:22,101\n上次院長趁部長上來的時候上次在交通委員會的時候我有跟部長提過我們板橋有一個太阪輕軌部長還記得嗎?他是銜接五太輕軌太阪輕軌對我們板橋非常重要\n\n36\n00:14:25,584 --> 00:14:45,474\n他不只是連接了非常多其他捷運,還有台鐵福州站,而且他入京了很多都市計畫。他也連接了土城中和板橋農業區,要打造新的狼袋。對我們地方很重要。可是這個太阪輕軌的可行性評估從去年一直送,送了好幾次,包括今年5月又再送。\n\n37\n00:14:46,465 --> 00:15:03,908\n一直沒有通過可行性評估一直沒有通過當時委員是說沒有效益但是因為我快沒時間院長我簡單跟你報告王國才在去年的時候前交通部長去年的時候報文板橋參加民進黨立委的造勢大會跟板橋社後地區的民眾講說\n\n38\n00:15:05,109 --> 00:15:28,231\n要來建設太阪的輕軌的支線到社後。太阪本來主線沒有到社後。王國才說要去社後蓋支線。結果現在主線一直被卡。說沒有可行性評估。沒有效益。那我請教一下王國才去年是來騙票嗎?他說要蓋支線欸。結果主線你說沒效益。那所以只蓋支線不蓋主線喔?這個可不可以幫我追一下?\n\n39\n00:15:49,924 --> 00:15:50,285\n好,謝謝葉委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11827\t36220\t院長,麻煩請卓院長,謝謝。請卓院長備詢。卓院長,先跟你請教一下,今天大家國人非常關心,昨天在台南發生那個林士傑槍擊案。我想問一下,目前來講,行政院有沒有請警政署一定要召開專案會議,然後要趕快破案,有沒有?\n37722\t38883\t現在大概掌握的是什麼方向?是配套的關係還是利益還是什麼關係?\n61977\t78152\t現在對任何的可能性我們都不排除,但是我們也不去假設特別的狀況,這樣這個面才會出來。還沒有講,還不曉得就對了,還在追查中。我只能這樣回答,任何的可能性都不排除。大概有沒有,院長有沒有下達一個什麼,多久要破案,就是讓國人有點信心。\n79016\t79216\t好,謝謝院長。\n96848\t124760\t上禮拜二剛好我在教育質詢的時候那時候你有承諾我嘛有關於中共介入政論節目這個議題你說如果案情沒有太複雜的話一個禮拜要給國人交代啦那因為今天剛好一個禮拜上禮拜二到這禮拜二不知道這個事情目前查得怎麼樣上禮拜已經正式說這個調查局在立案調查當中對那時候是說要破案啦就是要跟大家講說到底有沒有這件事因為大家現在看政論節目很緊張嘛都不知道是不是被滲透啊\n126835\t151084\t雖然在調查當中,我只能就程序上在調查,我沒有去了解他調查的內容﹖所以並沒有辦法在一個禮拜之內告訴大家﹖那可見案情不是那麼﹖因為你上禮拜二跟我講的,所以我今天就問一下﹖案情沒有那麼不單純﹖所以案情很複雜的﹖我認為他們所以還在調查當中﹖案情非常複雜,但是院長雖然你說案情很複雜,但NCC好像沒有做什麼事,我想問一下NCC對於這個案件有做什麼嗎?\n151944\t174837\t跟委員報告一下這個時間第一時間發生的時候來講因為當相關的媒體並沒有指明是哪一個特定的節目所以我們第一個先那你有去問相關媒體嗎沒有我們通案式的處理你連問都沒有問沒有沒有我們通案式的處理請這個媒體的相關公學會什麼叫通案式處理就是說我們會我們發函給公學會去讓公學會了解說這個是相關的法尊的問題對好\n176498\t204556\t昨天你們也有來立法院委員會我看你們報告院長問一下NCC這樣的態度你能不能接受他說他們就發函給工協會比如說中華民國廣電工會、學會等等學會表示對於會員所作所為不瞭解NCC結案院長你可以接受NCC這樣的態度嗎?NCC你知道現在被指涉的電視台是哪一家你知道嗎?\n205781\t233076\t你知道嗎?根據昨天的媒體的報導來講的話是陸委會講的根據哪一間你不用講哪一間是東森新聞東森你昨天才知道我不是NCC我不是NCC喔我在這個媒體報導的當天我就知道了為什麼因為我沒有去打聽嘛有多少證據講多少話不好意思主委我沒有跟你講話我跟院長講話你是院長嗎我跟院長講話\n233996\t255201\t我在當天我們就問了就說到底是哪一家人家做東森為什麼人家知道東森因為東森都有出具自由時報跟他們去求證的簡訊所以大家都知道東森結果我不是NCC我不是媒體主管機關我都知道結果媒體主管機關NCC昨天聽陸委會講才知道\n256081\t283878\t院長,這種NCC你可以接受嗎?他是媒體的主管機關喔!而且當時大家把這個事情講得很嚴重喔!結果NCC昨天聽陸委會長才知道!院長你可以接受這麼蠻攤的NCC嗎?主委不是這個意思,請容許喔!是不是那個意思無所謂,我現在是說他昨天才知道那家電視台是哪一家,你可以接受嗎?我們還是以有公平的一個情況為主。我問院長啊!我問院長!\n286961\t303359\t我相信主委不是這個意思但是也請容許我們的部委首長對任何的事件發生過程當中採取比較謹慎的方式來發言主委的意思我都聽得非常清楚他昨天聽陸委會長才知道我覺得非常蠻憨因為當時跟院長報告\n305982\t323560\t在自由時報報導這個新聞的當天,民進黨黨團就開記者會。你知道他的記者會的主題是什麼嗎?你知道嗎?你一定不知道,我講給你聽喔。他說中共黑手介入台灣媒體,下一句叫做藍白立法架空NCC。\n324241\t346087\t什麼意思呢就是這個事情這麼嚴重嚴重到說NCC一定要來處理而藍白很可惡居然在卡NCC讓NCC不能來處理這個是民進黨黨團當天媒體報導態度所以民進黨黨團對於NCC寄予厚望認為NCC就是要處理這件案子最重要的機關結果今天這個事情發生這麼久以後\n347608\t373863\t主委昨天才知道是東森電視台,代表什麼?代表他連查都沒有查嘛,就是聊貝伊格嘛,官樣文章嘛,發個文,問相關工協會,叫相關工協會去問一下你們的會員,請你普發給所有會員,看看有沒有會員自己承認他們有幹這個事情,如果沒有,我就可以交差啦,我就可以沒事了,然後最後推給減掉,就沒有NCC的事情了。\n374703\t387289\t院長,這是你的NCC主委的態度耶!我覺得他不是這個樣子,讓主委說明嘛。那你剛剛講說你昨天聽我會講的。錄委會是公權力機關,我們做行政調查上次以公權力機關的說法為準。對啦,那你沒有調查嘛!重點是說你也沒有調查嘛!你不要插話好不好!每一次來我這邊總之君我找院長,\n401235\t424182\t指詢你就要一直插話,那等你當院長的時候我來質詢你嘛,你又不是院長。我也請主委回答。院長那也是要我請,因為我現在在跟你對話,啊如果總質詢你都一直找他,那你就總計啊。對不對,我就找你,因為我尊重你啊,我覺得你會處理事情跟NCC主委不一樣啊,所以我們才跟你對話,不然跟他對話他都一直插話,講些言不及義的,浪費我的時間,我才15分鐘了。\n426170\t448018\t所以NCC主委這種蠻憨態度所以證明一件事情民進黨當時記者會把NCC過獄了啦把NCC講得過於重要好不好NCC根本沒在幹嘛那接下來院長我就要來問你NCC的事情那這件事情跟主委無關可不可以請主委先行休息謝謝\n449346\t475136\t因為NCC有四個委員在7月31號就要卸任了嘛對不對按照NCC組織法的規定如果這四位委員新的委員到時候沒有經過立法院通過原來四個委員可以延任嘛對吧院長規定是這樣對不對是好那現在因為行政院送來的四個新任委員立法院一直沒有排審嘛是那院長你知道原因是什麼嗎\n477392\t505191\t你知道為什麼沒有排審?我跟院長簡單講一下好不好?因為你要按照規定送來立法院,立法院要審嘛,對不對?總是想要知道一下總統派院長你對這四個委員的態度是什麼嗎?那現在卡到兩件事,第一件事是這四個委員是您前任的行政院長提過來的,我們並不知道說您對這四個委員的態度如何嘛,對不對?如果審對您也不尊重,因為未來這\n506507\t523264\t是要跟您配合的。第二個原因是好像即便是你對這四個委員你願意支持可是您本人好像也沒有來跟立法院講一下說這幾個委員優點在哪裡或如何如何所以當然可能也不知道說該排好還是不排好\n524325\t543308\t排了萬一對卓榮泰院長不尊重那怎麼辦呢?因為我相信大家對卓榮泰院長還是有一定的尊重,因你的備份還有你的協調,你帶人簽核,大家對你還是有一定的尊重。所以會希望說你對這個事情表態要明確一點。那不知道說你對這四個委員你是支持的嗎?\n543789\t554772\t好,謝謝委員的好意。第一個,6月25日的程序委員會,大院裡面的程序委員會曾經又一次把它補列案。所以我的覺得是這案一直在\n556121\t558041\t你有沒有考慮新提四個人選?\n585538\t610595\t沒有就是按照你目前來說有沒有可能一直卡住啊啊因為你也沒有來溝通嗎今天要不是我問你的話我根本不知道你態度是因為我我是認為程旭文一直在就那您要跟立法院講一下嗎我們是說我感覺好像今天變我做球給你了讓你來講理論上院長應該主動院長應該說這四個人我們很希望立法院通過你主動跟大家講說這個雖然是陳建仁提的可是是我支持的\n611175\t635885\t然後優點在哪裡?對不對?讓大家可以進一步嘛。現在你都沒有出征。你都沒有出征,然後感覺我比你緊張。報告委員,我們在上個禮拜我就已經請秘書長就這個事情來詢問立法,我們該用什麼方式。一個告知、一個公文還是什麼。秘書長已經在上個禮拜在這個禮拜在做決定了。公文不夠啦。公文往來大家都知道是慣樣文章啦。院長\n637523\t664105\t我覺得如果你覺得四個很重要就來因為我覺得這四個沒過齁陳耀祥要連任啊我覺得剛剛你看到他那種態度啊他如果繼續做NC主委中共如果介入政論節目還得了啊台灣人永遠看政論節目沒有安心的一天啊當時民進黨說中共有中央廚房欸中央廚房影響政論節目我現在看政論節目啊我都在想說是不是有中央廚房欸\n665711\t695114\t當然現在已經有這樣的疑慮了。NCC被民進黨寄予厚望的NCC有發文給工協會。聽入委會才知道東森。這種NCC主委你要讓他繼續連任喔?院長你支持喔?所以院長接下來你就兩個抉擇。我講得很白就兩個抉擇。第一個抉擇是你7月31號你所支持的這四個陳炳宏、羅惠文、詹毅蓮、翁博忠\n696631\t724286\t這一組人要做NCC委員還是陳耀祥、翁伯中、林立雲、王維京要做NCC委員?你就是做這個抉擇而已啊。如果你的不作為啊,你就是支持陳耀祥啦。你就是變相支持陳耀祥。讓消極的讓陳耀祥繼續做NCC主委。這個不是國人期待的啦。所以兩件事情。第一個,院長如果認為這四個很重要,請你積極跟立法院溝通。第二個,不然你再提四個。\n725575\t739120\t因為本來制度的規定為什麼要讓NCC委員經過立法院的同意就是希望不斷的溝通讓他們有民意基礎嘛啊你沒有溝通人送過來要審不審隨便你反正你們沒過我還有陳耀祥這個寶在那邊\n741288\t745292\t他有他的任期跟他的規劃,有他的任期跟規劃,對,但是現在不來我們就修法,把那個奇怪規定改掉\n765452\t790664\t因為像那個監察委員如果新的人士沒有通過阿他們沒有延任大法官如果人士沒有通過舊的也不能延任所有機關只有NCC的委員新的沒有通過可以延任所有機關只有這樣所以院長你不積極或你不提新的人選你就在保送陳耀祥我覺得好可怕我真的覺得好可怕那我要問院長另外一個問題阿\n792162\t805627\tNCG委員如果缺了4個會造成什麼影響?會像民進黨講的中共就介入我們政論節目嗎?會不會?缺4個會怎麼樣?iPhone沒辦法審查?NCG有非常多的事務關聯在裡面。委員做的決議才有執行的這個問題。委員做決議的時候人數不足。\n819045\t846530\t委員人數為不足,沒辦法做決議。我願意講你講得比那個翁柏宗好,他說如果沒有NCC、iPhone沒辦法審查。你講得比較好。對啊,但是他把那個放重點了。他把那個放重點了,你講得比較好。所以我對你很有期待,請你趕快要嘛就積極推這四個,要嘛新提四個。好不好,你新提四個,大家來審嘛。不要讓陳耀強連任啊。然後再來我問一下那個地方的問題,請交通部長一起上來好不好。\n848870\t862101\t上次院長趁部長上來的時候上次在交通委員會的時候我有跟部長提過我們板橋有一個太阪輕軌部長還記得嗎?他是銜接五太輕軌太阪輕軌對我們板橋非常重要\n865584\t885474\t他不只是連接了非常多其他捷運,還有台鐵福州站,而且他入京了很多都市計畫。他也連接了土城中和板橋農業區,要打造新的狼袋。對我們地方很重要。可是這個太阪輕軌的可行性評估從去年一直送,送了好幾次,包括今年5月又再送。\n886465\t903908\t一直沒有通過可行性評估一直沒有通過當時委員是說沒有效益但是因為我快沒時間院長我簡單跟你報告王國才在去年的時候前交通部長去年的時候報文板橋參加民進黨立委的造勢大會跟板橋社後地區的民眾講說\n905109\t928231\t要來建設太阪的輕軌的支線到社後。太阪本來主線沒有到社後。王國才說要去社後蓋支線。結果現在主線一直被卡。說沒有可行性評估。沒有效益。那我請教一下王國才去年是來騙票嗎?他說要蓋支線欸。結果主線你說沒效益。那所以只蓋支線不蓋主線喔?這個可不可以幫我追一下?\n949924\t950285\t好,謝謝葉委員\n","txt":"院長,麻煩請卓院長,謝謝。請卓院長備詢。卓院長,先跟你請教一下,今天大家國人非常關心,昨天在台南發生那個林士傑槍擊案。我想問一下,目前來講,行政院有沒有請警政署一定要召開專案會議,然後要趕快破案,有沒有?\n現在大概掌握的是什麼方向?是配套的關係還是利益還是什麼關係?\n現在對任何的可能性我們都不排除,但是我們也不去假設特別的狀況,這樣這個面才會出來。還沒有講,還不曉得就對了,還在追查中。我只能這樣回答,任何的可能性都不排除。大概有沒有,院長有沒有下達一個什麼,多久要破案,就是讓國人有點信心。\n好,謝謝院長。\n上禮拜二剛好我在教育質詢的時候那時候你有承諾我嘛有關於中共介入政論節目這個議題你說如果案情沒有太複雜的話一個禮拜要給國人交代啦那因為今天剛好一個禮拜上禮拜二到這禮拜二不知道這個事情目前查得怎麼樣上禮拜已經正式說這個調查局在立案調查當中對那時候是說要破案啦就是要跟大家講說到底有沒有這件事因為大家現在看政論節目很緊張嘛都不知道是不是被滲透啊\n雖然在調查當中,我只能就程序上在調查,我沒有去了解他調查的內容﹖所以並沒有辦法在一個禮拜之內告訴大家﹖那可見案情不是那麼﹖因為你上禮拜二跟我講的,所以我今天就問一下﹖案情沒有那麼不單純﹖所以案情很複雜的﹖我認為他們所以還在調查當中﹖案情非常複雜,但是院長雖然你說案情很複雜,但NCC好像沒有做什麼事,我想問一下NCC對於這個案件有做什麼嗎?\n跟委員報告一下這個時間第一時間發生的時候來講因為當相關的媒體並沒有指明是哪一個特定的節目所以我們第一個先那你有去問相關媒體嗎沒有我們通案式的處理你連問都沒有問沒有沒有我們通案式的處理請這個媒體的相關公學會什麼叫通案式處理就是說我們會我們發函給公學會去讓公學會了解說這個是相關的法尊的問題對好\n昨天你們也有來立法院委員會我看你們報告院長問一下NCC這樣的態度你能不能接受他說他們就發函給工協會比如說中華民國廣電工會、學會等等學會表示對於會員所作所為不瞭解NCC結案院長你可以接受NCC這樣的態度嗎?NCC你知道現在被指涉的電視台是哪一家你知道嗎?\n你知道嗎?根據昨天的媒體的報導來講的話是陸委會講的根據哪一間你不用講哪一間是東森新聞東森你昨天才知道我不是NCC我不是NCC喔我在這個媒體報導的當天我就知道了為什麼因為我沒有去打聽嘛有多少證據講多少話不好意思主委我沒有跟你講話我跟院長講話你是院長嗎我跟院長講話\n我在當天我們就問了就說到底是哪一家人家做東森為什麼人家知道東森因為東森都有出具自由時報跟他們去求證的簡訊所以大家都知道東森結果我不是NCC我不是媒體主管機關我都知道結果媒體主管機關NCC昨天聽陸委會講才知道\n院長,這種NCC你可以接受嗎?他是媒體的主管機關喔!而且當時大家把這個事情講得很嚴重喔!結果NCC昨天聽陸委會長才知道!院長你可以接受這麼蠻攤的NCC嗎?主委不是這個意思,請容許喔!是不是那個意思無所謂,我現在是說他昨天才知道那家電視台是哪一家,你可以接受嗎?我們還是以有公平的一個情況為主。我問院長啊!我問院長!\n我相信主委不是這個意思但是也請容許我們的部委首長對任何的事件發生過程當中採取比較謹慎的方式來發言主委的意思我都聽得非常清楚他昨天聽陸委會長才知道我覺得非常蠻憨因為當時跟院長報告\n在自由時報報導這個新聞的當天,民進黨黨團就開記者會。你知道他的記者會的主題是什麼嗎?你知道嗎?你一定不知道,我講給你聽喔。他說中共黑手介入台灣媒體,下一句叫做藍白立法架空NCC。\n什麼意思呢就是這個事情這麼嚴重嚴重到說NCC一定要來處理而藍白很可惡居然在卡NCC讓NCC不能來處理這個是民進黨黨團當天媒體報導態度所以民進黨黨團對於NCC寄予厚望認為NCC就是要處理這件案子最重要的機關結果今天這個事情發生這麼久以後\n主委昨天才知道是東森電視台,代表什麼?代表他連查都沒有查嘛,就是聊貝伊格嘛,官樣文章嘛,發個文,問相關工協會,叫相關工協會去問一下你們的會員,請你普發給所有會員,看看有沒有會員自己承認他們有幹這個事情,如果沒有,我就可以交差啦,我就可以沒事了,然後最後推給減掉,就沒有NCC的事情了。\n院長,這是你的NCC主委的態度耶!我覺得他不是這個樣子,讓主委說明嘛。那你剛剛講說你昨天聽我會講的。錄委會是公權力機關,我們做行政調查上次以公權力機關的說法為準。對啦,那你沒有調查嘛!重點是說你也沒有調查嘛!你不要插話好不好!每一次來我這邊總之君我找院長,\n指詢你就要一直插話,那等你當院長的時候我來質詢你嘛,你又不是院長。我也請主委回答。院長那也是要我請,因為我現在在跟你對話,啊如果總質詢你都一直找他,那你就總計啊。對不對,我就找你,因為我尊重你啊,我覺得你會處理事情跟NCC主委不一樣啊,所以我們才跟你對話,不然跟他對話他都一直插話,講些言不及義的,浪費我的時間,我才15分鐘了。\n所以NCC主委這種蠻憨態度所以證明一件事情民進黨當時記者會把NCC過獄了啦把NCC講得過於重要好不好NCC根本沒在幹嘛那接下來院長我就要來問你NCC的事情那這件事情跟主委無關可不可以請主委先行休息謝謝\n因為NCC有四個委員在7月31號就要卸任了嘛對不對按照NCC組織法的規定如果這四位委員新的委員到時候沒有經過立法院通過原來四個委員可以延任嘛對吧院長規定是這樣對不對是好那現在因為行政院送來的四個新任委員立法院一直沒有排審嘛是那院長你知道原因是什麼嗎\n你知道為什麼沒有排審?我跟院長簡單講一下好不好?因為你要按照規定送來立法院,立法院要審嘛,對不對?總是想要知道一下總統派院長你對這四個委員的態度是什麼嗎?那現在卡到兩件事,第一件事是這四個委員是您前任的行政院長提過來的,我們並不知道說您對這四個委員的態度如何嘛,對不對?如果審對您也不尊重,因為未來這\n是要跟您配合的。第二個原因是好像即便是你對這四個委員你願意支持可是您本人好像也沒有來跟立法院講一下說這幾個委員優點在哪裡或如何如何所以當然可能也不知道說該排好還是不排好\n排了萬一對卓榮泰院長不尊重那怎麼辦呢?因為我相信大家對卓榮泰院長還是有一定的尊重,因你的備份還有你的協調,你帶人簽核,大家對你還是有一定的尊重。所以會希望說你對這個事情表態要明確一點。那不知道說你對這四個委員你是支持的嗎?\n好,謝謝委員的好意。第一個,6月25日的程序委員會,大院裡面的程序委員會曾經又一次把它補列案。所以我的覺得是這案一直在\n你有沒有考慮新提四個人選?\n沒有就是按照你目前來說有沒有可能一直卡住啊啊因為你也沒有來溝通嗎今天要不是我問你的話我根本不知道你態度是因為我我是認為程旭文一直在就那您要跟立法院講一下嗎我們是說我感覺好像今天變我做球給你了讓你來講理論上院長應該主動院長應該說這四個人我們很希望立法院通過你主動跟大家講說這個雖然是陳建仁提的可是是我支持的\n然後優點在哪裡?對不對?讓大家可以進一步嘛。現在你都沒有出征。你都沒有出征,然後感覺我比你緊張。報告委員,我們在上個禮拜我就已經請秘書長就這個事情來詢問立法,我們該用什麼方式。一個告知、一個公文還是什麼。秘書長已經在上個禮拜在這個禮拜在做決定了。公文不夠啦。公文往來大家都知道是慣樣文章啦。院長\n我覺得如果你覺得四個很重要就來因為我覺得這四個沒過齁陳耀祥要連任啊我覺得剛剛你看到他那種態度啊他如果繼續做NC主委中共如果介入政論節目還得了啊台灣人永遠看政論節目沒有安心的一天啊當時民進黨說中共有中央廚房欸中央廚房影響政論節目我現在看政論節目啊我都在想說是不是有中央廚房欸\n當然現在已經有這樣的疑慮了。NCC被民進黨寄予厚望的NCC有發文給工協會。聽入委會才知道東森。這種NCC主委你要讓他繼續連任喔?院長你支持喔?所以院長接下來你就兩個抉擇。我講得很白就兩個抉擇。第一個抉擇是你7月31號你所支持的這四個陳炳宏、羅惠文、詹毅蓮、翁博忠\n這一組人要做NCC委員還是陳耀祥、翁伯中、林立雲、王維京要做NCC委員?你就是做這個抉擇而已啊。如果你的不作為啊,你就是支持陳耀祥啦。你就是變相支持陳耀祥。讓消極的讓陳耀祥繼續做NCC主委。這個不是國人期待的啦。所以兩件事情。第一個,院長如果認為這四個很重要,請你積極跟立法院溝通。第二個,不然你再提四個。\n因為本來制度的規定為什麼要讓NCC委員經過立法院的同意就是希望不斷的溝通讓他們有民意基礎嘛啊你沒有溝通人送過來要審不審隨便你反正你們沒過我還有陳耀祥這個寶在那邊\n他有他的任期跟他的規劃,有他的任期跟規劃,對,但是現在不來我們就修法,把那個奇怪規定改掉\n因為像那個監察委員如果新的人士沒有通過阿他們沒有延任大法官如果人士沒有通過舊的也不能延任所有機關只有NCC的委員新的沒有通過可以延任所有機關只有這樣所以院長你不積極或你不提新的人選你就在保送陳耀祥我覺得好可怕我真的覺得好可怕那我要問院長另外一個問題阿\nNCG委員如果缺了4個會造成什麼影響?會像民進黨講的中共就介入我們政論節目嗎?會不會?缺4個會怎麼樣?iPhone沒辦法審查?NCG有非常多的事務關聯在裡面。委員做的決議才有執行的這個問題。委員做決議的時候人數不足。\n委員人數為不足,沒辦法做決議。我願意講你講得比那個翁柏宗好,他說如果沒有NCC、iPhone沒辦法審查。你講得比較好。對啊,但是他把那個放重點了。他把那個放重點了,你講得比較好。所以我對你很有期待,請你趕快要嘛就積極推這四個,要嘛新提四個。好不好,你新提四個,大家來審嘛。不要讓陳耀強連任啊。然後再來我問一下那個地方的問題,請交通部長一起上來好不好。\n上次院長趁部長上來的時候上次在交通委員會的時候我有跟部長提過我們板橋有一個太阪輕軌部長還記得嗎?他是銜接五太輕軌太阪輕軌對我們板橋非常重要\n他不只是連接了非常多其他捷運,還有台鐵福州站,而且他入京了很多都市計畫。他也連接了土城中和板橋農業區,要打造新的狼袋。對我們地方很重要。可是這個太阪輕軌的可行性評估從去年一直送,送了好幾次,包括今年5月又再送。\n一直沒有通過可行性評估一直沒有通過當時委員是說沒有效益但是因為我快沒時間院長我簡單跟你報告王國才在去年的時候前交通部長去年的時候報文板橋參加民進黨立委的造勢大會跟板橋社後地區的民眾講說\n要來建設太阪的輕軌的支線到社後。太阪本來主線沒有到社後。王國才說要去社後蓋支線。結果現在主線一直被卡。說沒有可行性評估。沒有效益。那我請教一下王國才去年是來騙票嗎?他說要蓋支線欸。結果主線你說沒效益。那所以只蓋支線不蓋主線喔?這個可不可以幫我追一下?\n好,謝謝葉委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.827 --> 00:36.220\n院長,麻煩請卓院長,謝謝。請卓院長備詢。卓院長,先跟你請教一下,今天大家國人非常關心,昨天在台南發生那個林士傑槍擊案。我想問一下,目前來講,行政院有沒有請警政署一定要召開專案會議,然後要趕快破案,有沒有?\n\n00:37.722 --> 00:38.883\n現在大概掌握的是什麼方向?是配套的關係還是利益還是什麼關係?\n\n01:01.977 --> 01:18.152\n現在對任何的可能性我們都不排除,但是我們也不去假設特別的狀況,這樣這個面才會出來。還沒有講,還不曉得就對了,還在追查中。我只能這樣回答,任何的可能性都不排除。大概有沒有,院長有沒有下達一個什麼,多久要破案,就是讓國人有點信心。\n\n01:19.016 --> 01:19.216\n好,謝謝院長。\n\n01:36.848 --> 02:04.760\n上禮拜二剛好我在教育質詢的時候那時候你有承諾我嘛有關於中共介入政論節目這個議題你說如果案情沒有太複雜的話一個禮拜要給國人交代啦那因為今天剛好一個禮拜上禮拜二到這禮拜二不知道這個事情目前查得怎麼樣上禮拜已經正式說這個調查局在立案調查當中對那時候是說要破案啦就是要跟大家講說到底有沒有這件事因為大家現在看政論節目很緊張嘛都不知道是不是被滲透啊\n\n02:06.835 --> 02:31.084\n雖然在調查當中,我只能就程序上在調查,我沒有去了解他調查的內容﹖所以並沒有辦法在一個禮拜之內告訴大家﹖那可見案情不是那麼﹖因為你上禮拜二跟我講的,所以我今天就問一下﹖案情沒有那麼不單純﹖所以案情很複雜的﹖我認為他們所以還在調查當中﹖案情非常複雜,但是院長雖然你說案情很複雜,但NCC好像沒有做什麼事,我想問一下NCC對於這個案件有做什麼嗎?\n\n02:31.944 --> 02:54.837\n跟委員報告一下這個時間第一時間發生的時候來講因為當相關的媒體並沒有指明是哪一個特定的節目所以我們第一個先那你有去問相關媒體嗎沒有我們通案式的處理你連問都沒有問沒有沒有我們通案式的處理請這個媒體的相關公學會什麼叫通案式處理就是說我們會我們發函給公學會去讓公學會了解說這個是相關的法尊的問題對好\n\n02:56.498 --> 03:24.556\n昨天你們也有來立法院委員會我看你們報告院長問一下NCC這樣的態度你能不能接受他說他們就發函給工協會比如說中華民國廣電工會、學會等等學會表示對於會員所作所為不瞭解NCC結案院長你可以接受NCC這樣的態度嗎?NCC你知道現在被指涉的電視台是哪一家你知道嗎?\n\n03:25.781 --> 03:53.076\n你知道嗎?根據昨天的媒體的報導來講的話是陸委會講的根據哪一間你不用講哪一間是東森新聞東森你昨天才知道我不是NCC我不是NCC喔我在這個媒體報導的當天我就知道了為什麼因為我沒有去打聽嘛有多少證據講多少話不好意思主委我沒有跟你講話我跟院長講話你是院長嗎我跟院長講話\n\n03:53.996 --> 04:15.201\n我在當天我們就問了就說到底是哪一家人家做東森為什麼人家知道東森因為東森都有出具自由時報跟他們去求證的簡訊所以大家都知道東森結果我不是NCC我不是媒體主管機關我都知道結果媒體主管機關NCC昨天聽陸委會講才知道\n\n04:16.081 --> 04:43.878\n院長,這種NCC你可以接受嗎?他是媒體的主管機關喔!而且當時大家把這個事情講得很嚴重喔!結果NCC昨天聽陸委會長才知道!院長你可以接受這麼蠻攤的NCC嗎?主委不是這個意思,請容許喔!是不是那個意思無所謂,我現在是說他昨天才知道那家電視台是哪一家,你可以接受嗎?我們還是以有公平的一個情況為主。我問院長啊!我問院長!\n\n04:46.961 --> 05:03.359\n我相信主委不是這個意思但是也請容許我們的部委首長對任何的事件發生過程當中採取比較謹慎的方式來發言主委的意思我都聽得非常清楚他昨天聽陸委會長才知道我覺得非常蠻憨因為當時跟院長報告\n\n05:05.982 --> 05:23.560\n在自由時報報導這個新聞的當天,民進黨黨團就開記者會。你知道他的記者會的主題是什麼嗎?你知道嗎?你一定不知道,我講給你聽喔。他說中共黑手介入台灣媒體,下一句叫做藍白立法架空NCC。\n\n05:24.241 --> 05:46.087\n什麼意思呢就是這個事情這麼嚴重嚴重到說NCC一定要來處理而藍白很可惡居然在卡NCC讓NCC不能來處理這個是民進黨黨團當天媒體報導態度所以民進黨黨團對於NCC寄予厚望認為NCC就是要處理這件案子最重要的機關結果今天這個事情發生這麼久以後\n\n05:47.608 --> 06:13.863\n主委昨天才知道是東森電視台,代表什麼?代表他連查都沒有查嘛,就是聊貝伊格嘛,官樣文章嘛,發個文,問相關工協會,叫相關工協會去問一下你們的會員,請你普發給所有會員,看看有沒有會員自己承認他們有幹這個事情,如果沒有,我就可以交差啦,我就可以沒事了,然後最後推給減掉,就沒有NCC的事情了。\n\n06:14.703 --> 06:27.289\n院長,這是你的NCC主委的態度耶!我覺得他不是這個樣子,讓主委說明嘛。那你剛剛講說你昨天聽我會講的。錄委會是公權力機關,我們做行政調查上次以公權力機關的說法為準。對啦,那你沒有調查嘛!重點是說你也沒有調查嘛!你不要插話好不好!每一次來我這邊總之君我找院長,\n\n06:41.235 --> 07:04.182\n指詢你就要一直插話,那等你當院長的時候我來質詢你嘛,你又不是院長。我也請主委回答。院長那也是要我請,因為我現在在跟你對話,啊如果總質詢你都一直找他,那你就總計啊。對不對,我就找你,因為我尊重你啊,我覺得你會處理事情跟NCC主委不一樣啊,所以我們才跟你對話,不然跟他對話他都一直插話,講些言不及義的,浪費我的時間,我才15分鐘了。\n\n07:06.170 --> 07:28.018\n所以NCC主委這種蠻憨態度所以證明一件事情民進黨當時記者會把NCC過獄了啦把NCC講得過於重要好不好NCC根本沒在幹嘛那接下來院長我就要來問你NCC的事情那這件事情跟主委無關可不可以請主委先行休息謝謝\n\n07:29.346 --> 07:55.136\n因為NCC有四個委員在7月31號就要卸任了嘛對不對按照NCC組織法的規定如果這四位委員新的委員到時候沒有經過立法院通過原來四個委員可以延任嘛對吧院長規定是這樣對不對是好那現在因為行政院送來的四個新任委員立法院一直沒有排審嘛是那院長你知道原因是什麼嗎\n\n07:57.392 --> 08:25.191\n你知道為什麼沒有排審?我跟院長簡單講一下好不好?因為你要按照規定送來立法院,立法院要審嘛,對不對?總是想要知道一下總統派院長你對這四個委員的態度是什麼嗎?那現在卡到兩件事,第一件事是這四個委員是您前任的行政院長提過來的,我們並不知道說您對這四個委員的態度如何嘛,對不對?如果審對您也不尊重,因為未來這\n\n08:26.507 --> 08:43.264\n是要跟您配合的。第二個原因是好像即便是你對這四個委員你願意支持可是您本人好像也沒有來跟立法院講一下說這幾個委員優點在哪裡或如何如何所以當然可能也不知道說該排好還是不排好\n\n08:44.325 --> 09:03.308\n排了萬一對卓榮泰院長不尊重那怎麼辦呢?因為我相信大家對卓榮泰院長還是有一定的尊重,因你的備份還有你的協調,你帶人簽核,大家對你還是有一定的尊重。所以會希望說你對這個事情表態要明確一點。那不知道說你對這四個委員你是支持的嗎?\n\n09:03.789 --> 09:14.772\n好,謝謝委員的好意。第一個,6月25日的程序委員會,大院裡面的程序委員會曾經又一次把它補列案。所以我的覺得是這案一直在\n\n09:16.121 --> 09:18.041\n你有沒有考慮新提四個人選?\n\n09:45.538 --> 10:10.595\n沒有就是按照你目前來說有沒有可能一直卡住啊啊因為你也沒有來溝通嗎今天要不是我問你的話我根本不知道你態度是因為我我是認為程旭文一直在就那您要跟立法院講一下嗎我們是說我感覺好像今天變我做球給你了讓你來講理論上院長應該主動院長應該說這四個人我們很希望立法院通過你主動跟大家講說這個雖然是陳建仁提的可是是我支持的\n\n10:11.175 --> 10:35.885\n然後優點在哪裡?對不對?讓大家可以進一步嘛。現在你都沒有出征。你都沒有出征,然後感覺我比你緊張。報告委員,我們在上個禮拜我就已經請秘書長就這個事情來詢問立法,我們該用什麼方式。一個告知、一個公文還是什麼。秘書長已經在上個禮拜在這個禮拜在做決定了。公文不夠啦。公文往來大家都知道是慣樣文章啦。院長\n\n10:37.523 --> 11:04.105\n我覺得如果你覺得四個很重要就來因為我覺得這四個沒過齁陳耀祥要連任啊我覺得剛剛你看到他那種態度啊他如果繼續做NC主委中共如果介入政論節目還得了啊台灣人永遠看政論節目沒有安心的一天啊當時民進黨說中共有中央廚房欸中央廚房影響政論節目我現在看政論節目啊我都在想說是不是有中央廚房欸\n\n11:05.711 --> 11:35.114\n當然現在已經有這樣的疑慮了。NCC被民進黨寄予厚望的NCC有發文給工協會。聽入委會才知道東森。這種NCC主委你要讓他繼續連任喔?院長你支持喔?所以院長接下來你就兩個抉擇。我講得很白就兩個抉擇。第一個抉擇是你7月31號你所支持的這四個陳炳宏、羅惠文、詹毅蓮、翁博忠\n\n11:36.631 --> 12:04.286\n這一組人要做NCC委員還是陳耀祥、翁伯中、林立雲、王維京要做NCC委員?你就是做這個抉擇而已啊。如果你的不作為啊,你就是支持陳耀祥啦。你就是變相支持陳耀祥。讓消極的讓陳耀祥繼續做NCC主委。這個不是國人期待的啦。所以兩件事情。第一個,院長如果認為這四個很重要,請你積極跟立法院溝通。第二個,不然你再提四個。\n\n12:05.575 --> 12:19.120\n因為本來制度的規定為什麼要讓NCC委員經過立法院的同意就是希望不斷的溝通讓他們有民意基礎嘛啊你沒有溝通人送過來要審不審隨便你反正你們沒過我還有陳耀祥這個寶在那邊\n\n12:21.288 --> 12:25.292\n他有他的任期跟他的規劃,有他的任期跟規劃,對,但是現在不來我們就修法,把那個奇怪規定改掉\n\n12:45.452 --> 13:10.664\n因為像那個監察委員如果新的人士沒有通過阿他們沒有延任大法官如果人士沒有通過舊的也不能延任所有機關只有NCC的委員新的沒有通過可以延任所有機關只有這樣所以院長你不積極或你不提新的人選你就在保送陳耀祥我覺得好可怕我真的覺得好可怕那我要問院長另外一個問題阿\n\n13:12.162 --> 13:25.627\nNCG委員如果缺了4個會造成什麼影響?會像民進黨講的中共就介入我們政論節目嗎?會不會?缺4個會怎麼樣?iPhone沒辦法審查?NCG有非常多的事務關聯在裡面。委員做的決議才有執行的這個問題。委員做決議的時候人數不足。\n\n13:39.045 --> 14:06.530\n委員人數為不足,沒辦法做決議。我願意講你講得比那個翁柏宗好,他說如果沒有NCC、iPhone沒辦法審查。你講得比較好。對啊,但是他把那個放重點了。他把那個放重點了,你講得比較好。所以我對你很有期待,請你趕快要嘛就積極推這四個,要嘛新提四個。好不好,你新提四個,大家來審嘛。不要讓陳耀強連任啊。然後再來我問一下那個地方的問題,請交通部長一起上來好不好。\n\n14:08.870 --> 14:22.101\n上次院長趁部長上來的時候上次在交通委員會的時候我有跟部長提過我們板橋有一個太阪輕軌部長還記得嗎?他是銜接五太輕軌太阪輕軌對我們板橋非常重要\n\n14:25.584 --> 14:45.474\n他不只是連接了非常多其他捷運,還有台鐵福州站,而且他入京了很多都市計畫。他也連接了土城中和板橋農業區,要打造新的狼袋。對我們地方很重要。可是這個太阪輕軌的可行性評估從去年一直送,送了好幾次,包括今年5月又再送。\n\n14:46.465 --> 15:03.908\n一直沒有通過可行性評估一直沒有通過當時委員是說沒有效益但是因為我快沒時間院長我簡單跟你報告王國才在去年的時候前交通部長去年的時候報文板橋參加民進黨立委的造勢大會跟板橋社後地區的民眾講說\n\n15:05.109 --> 15:28.231\n要來建設太阪的輕軌的支線到社後。太阪本來主線沒有到社後。王國才說要去社後蓋支線。結果現在主線一直被卡。說沒有可行性評估。沒有效益。那我請教一下王國才去年是來騙票嗎?他說要蓋支線欸。結果主線你說沒效益。那所以只蓋支線不蓋主線喔?這個可不可以幫我追一下?\n\n15:49.924 --> 15:50.285\n好,謝謝葉委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":11.827,"end":36.22,"text":"院長,麻煩請卓院長,謝謝。請卓院長備詢。卓院長,先跟你請教一下,今天大家國人非常關心,昨天在台南發生那個林士傑槍擊案。我想問一下,目前來講,行政院有沒有請警政署一定要召開專案會議,然後要趕快破案,有沒有?"},{"start":37.722,"end":38.883,"text":"現在大概掌握的是什麼方向?是配套的關係還是利益還是什麼關係?"},{"start":61.977,"end":78.152,"text":"現在對任何的可能性我們都不排除,但是我們也不去假設特別的狀況,這樣這個面才會出來。還沒有講,還不曉得就對了,還在追查中。我只能這樣回答,任何的可能性都不排除。大概有沒有,院長有沒有下達一個什麼,多久要破案,就是讓國人有點信心。"},{"start":79.016,"end":79.216,"text":"好,謝謝院長。"},{"start":96.848,"end":124.76,"text":"上禮拜二剛好我在教育質詢的時候那時候你有承諾我嘛有關於中共介入政論節目這個議題你說如果案情沒有太複雜的話一個禮拜要給國人交代啦那因為今天剛好一個禮拜上禮拜二到這禮拜二不知道這個事情目前查得怎麼樣上禮拜已經正式說這個調查局在立案調查當中對那時候是說要破案啦就是要跟大家講說到底有沒有這件事因為大家現在看政論節目很緊張嘛都不知道是不是被滲透啊"},{"start":126.835,"end":151.084,"text":"雖然在調查當中,我只能就程序上在調查,我沒有去了解他調查的內容﹖所以並沒有辦法在一個禮拜之內告訴大家﹖那可見案情不是那麼﹖因為你上禮拜二跟我講的,所以我今天就問一下﹖案情沒有那麼不單純﹖所以案情很複雜的﹖我認為他們所以還在調查當中﹖案情非常複雜,但是院長雖然你說案情很複雜,但NCC好像沒有做什麼事,我想問一下NCC對於這個案件有做什麼嗎?"},{"start":151.944,"end":174.837,"text":"跟委員報告一下這個時間第一時間發生的時候來講因為當相關的媒體並沒有指明是哪一個特定的節目所以我們第一個先那你有去問相關媒體嗎沒有我們通案式的處理你連問都沒有問沒有沒有我們通案式的處理請這個媒體的相關公學會什麼叫通案式處理就是說我們會我們發函給公學會去讓公學會了解說這個是相關的法尊的問題對好"},{"start":176.498,"end":204.556,"text":"昨天你們也有來立法院委員會我看你們報告院長問一下NCC這樣的態度你能不能接受他說他們就發函給工協會比如說中華民國廣電工會、學會等等學會表示對於會員所作所為不瞭解NCC結案院長你可以接受NCC這樣的態度嗎?NCC你知道現在被指涉的電視台是哪一家你知道嗎?"},{"start":205.781,"end":233.076,"text":"你知道嗎?根據昨天的媒體的報導來講的話是陸委會講的根據哪一間你不用講哪一間是東森新聞東森你昨天才知道我不是NCC我不是NCC喔我在這個媒體報導的當天我就知道了為什麼因為我沒有去打聽嘛有多少證據講多少話不好意思主委我沒有跟你講話我跟院長講話你是院長嗎我跟院長講話"},{"start":233.996,"end":255.201,"text":"我在當天我們就問了就說到底是哪一家人家做東森為什麼人家知道東森因為東森都有出具自由時報跟他們去求證的簡訊所以大家都知道東森結果我不是NCC我不是媒體主管機關我都知道結果媒體主管機關NCC昨天聽陸委會講才知道"},{"start":256.081,"end":283.878,"text":"院長,這種NCC你可以接受嗎?他是媒體的主管機關喔!而且當時大家把這個事情講得很嚴重喔!結果NCC昨天聽陸委會長才知道!院長你可以接受這麼蠻攤的NCC嗎?主委不是這個意思,請容許喔!是不是那個意思無所謂,我現在是說他昨天才知道那家電視台是哪一家,你可以接受嗎?我們還是以有公平的一個情況為主。我問院長啊!我問院長!"},{"start":286.961,"end":303.359,"text":"我相信主委不是這個意思但是也請容許我們的部委首長對任何的事件發生過程當中採取比較謹慎的方式來發言主委的意思我都聽得非常清楚他昨天聽陸委會長才知道我覺得非常蠻憨因為當時跟院長報告"},{"start":305.982,"end":323.56,"text":"在自由時報報導這個新聞的當天,民進黨黨團就開記者會。你知道他的記者會的主題是什麼嗎?你知道嗎?你一定不知道,我講給你聽喔。他說中共黑手介入台灣媒體,下一句叫做藍白立法架空NCC。"},{"start":324.241,"end":346.087,"text":"什麼意思呢就是這個事情這麼嚴重嚴重到說NCC一定要來處理而藍白很可惡居然在卡NCC讓NCC不能來處理這個是民進黨黨團當天媒體報導態度所以民進黨黨團對於NCC寄予厚望認為NCC就是要處理這件案子最重要的機關結果今天這個事情發生這麼久以後"},{"start":347.608,"end":373.863,"text":"主委昨天才知道是東森電視台,代表什麼?代表他連查都沒有查嘛,就是聊貝伊格嘛,官樣文章嘛,發個文,問相關工協會,叫相關工協會去問一下你們的會員,請你普發給所有會員,看看有沒有會員自己承認他們有幹這個事情,如果沒有,我就可以交差啦,我就可以沒事了,然後最後推給減掉,就沒有NCC的事情了。"},{"start":374.703,"end":387.289,"text":"院長,這是你的NCC主委的態度耶!我覺得他不是這個樣子,讓主委說明嘛。那你剛剛講說你昨天聽我會講的。錄委會是公權力機關,我們做行政調查上次以公權力機關的說法為準。對啦,那你沒有調查嘛!重點是說你也沒有調查嘛!你不要插話好不好!每一次來我這邊總之君我找院長,"},{"start":401.235,"end":424.182,"text":"指詢你就要一直插話,那等你當院長的時候我來質詢你嘛,你又不是院長。我也請主委回答。院長那也是要我請,因為我現在在跟你對話,啊如果總質詢你都一直找他,那你就總計啊。對不對,我就找你,因為我尊重你啊,我覺得你會處理事情跟NCC主委不一樣啊,所以我們才跟你對話,不然跟他對話他都一直插話,講些言不及義的,浪費我的時間,我才15分鐘了。"},{"start":426.17,"end":448.018,"text":"所以NCC主委這種蠻憨態度所以證明一件事情民進黨當時記者會把NCC過獄了啦把NCC講得過於重要好不好NCC根本沒在幹嘛那接下來院長我就要來問你NCC的事情那這件事情跟主委無關可不可以請主委先行休息謝謝"},{"start":449.346,"end":475.136,"text":"因為NCC有四個委員在7月31號就要卸任了嘛對不對按照NCC組織法的規定如果這四位委員新的委員到時候沒有經過立法院通過原來四個委員可以延任嘛對吧院長規定是這樣對不對是好那現在因為行政院送來的四個新任委員立法院一直沒有排審嘛是那院長你知道原因是什麼嗎"},{"start":477.392,"end":505.191,"text":"你知道為什麼沒有排審?我跟院長簡單講一下好不好?因為你要按照規定送來立法院,立法院要審嘛,對不對?總是想要知道一下總統派院長你對這四個委員的態度是什麼嗎?那現在卡到兩件事,第一件事是這四個委員是您前任的行政院長提過來的,我們並不知道說您對這四個委員的態度如何嘛,對不對?如果審對您也不尊重,因為未來這"},{"start":506.507,"end":523.264,"text":"是要跟您配合的。第二個原因是好像即便是你對這四個委員你願意支持可是您本人好像也沒有來跟立法院講一下說這幾個委員優點在哪裡或如何如何所以當然可能也不知道說該排好還是不排好"},{"start":524.325,"end":543.308,"text":"排了萬一對卓榮泰院長不尊重那怎麼辦呢?因為我相信大家對卓榮泰院長還是有一定的尊重,因你的備份還有你的協調,你帶人簽核,大家對你還是有一定的尊重。所以會希望說你對這個事情表態要明確一點。那不知道說你對這四個委員你是支持的嗎?"},{"start":543.789,"end":554.772,"text":"好,謝謝委員的好意。第一個,6月25日的程序委員會,大院裡面的程序委員會曾經又一次把它補列案。所以我的覺得是這案一直在"},{"start":556.121,"end":558.041,"text":"你有沒有考慮新提四個人選?"},{"start":585.538,"end":610.595,"text":"沒有就是按照你目前來說有沒有可能一直卡住啊啊因為你也沒有來溝通嗎今天要不是我問你的話我根本不知道你態度是因為我我是認為程旭文一直在就那您要跟立法院講一下嗎我們是說我感覺好像今天變我做球給你了讓你來講理論上院長應該主動院長應該說這四個人我們很希望立法院通過你主動跟大家講說這個雖然是陳建仁提的可是是我支持的"},{"start":611.175,"end":635.885,"text":"然後優點在哪裡?對不對?讓大家可以進一步嘛。現在你都沒有出征。你都沒有出征,然後感覺我比你緊張。報告委員,我們在上個禮拜我就已經請秘書長就這個事情來詢問立法,我們該用什麼方式。一個告知、一個公文還是什麼。秘書長已經在上個禮拜在這個禮拜在做決定了。公文不夠啦。公文往來大家都知道是慣樣文章啦。院長"},{"start":637.523,"end":664.105,"text":"我覺得如果你覺得四個很重要就來因為我覺得這四個沒過齁陳耀祥要連任啊我覺得剛剛你看到他那種態度啊他如果繼續做NC主委中共如果介入政論節目還得了啊台灣人永遠看政論節目沒有安心的一天啊當時民進黨說中共有中央廚房欸中央廚房影響政論節目我現在看政論節目啊我都在想說是不是有中央廚房欸"},{"start":665.711,"end":695.114,"text":"當然現在已經有這樣的疑慮了。NCC被民進黨寄予厚望的NCC有發文給工協會。聽入委會才知道東森。這種NCC主委你要讓他繼續連任喔?院長你支持喔?所以院長接下來你就兩個抉擇。我講得很白就兩個抉擇。第一個抉擇是你7月31號你所支持的這四個陳炳宏、羅惠文、詹毅蓮、翁博忠"},{"start":696.631,"end":724.286,"text":"這一組人要做NCC委員還是陳耀祥、翁伯中、林立雲、王維京要做NCC委員?你就是做這個抉擇而已啊。如果你的不作為啊,你就是支持陳耀祥啦。你就是變相支持陳耀祥。讓消極的讓陳耀祥繼續做NCC主委。這個不是國人期待的啦。所以兩件事情。第一個,院長如果認為這四個很重要,請你積極跟立法院溝通。第二個,不然你再提四個。"},{"start":725.575,"end":739.12,"text":"因為本來制度的規定為什麼要讓NCC委員經過立法院的同意就是希望不斷的溝通讓他們有民意基礎嘛啊你沒有溝通人送過來要審不審隨便你反正你們沒過我還有陳耀祥這個寶在那邊"},{"start":741.288,"end":745.292,"text":"他有他的任期跟他的規劃,有他的任期跟規劃,對,但是現在不來我們就修法,把那個奇怪規定改掉"},{"start":765.452,"end":790.664,"text":"因為像那個監察委員如果新的人士沒有通過阿他們沒有延任大法官如果人士沒有通過舊的也不能延任所有機關只有NCC的委員新的沒有通過可以延任所有機關只有這樣所以院長你不積極或你不提新的人選你就在保送陳耀祥我覺得好可怕我真的覺得好可怕那我要問院長另外一個問題阿"},{"start":792.162,"end":805.627,"text":"NCG委員如果缺了4個會造成什麼影響?會像民進黨講的中共就介入我們政論節目嗎?會不會?缺4個會怎麼樣?iPhone沒辦法審查?NCG有非常多的事務關聯在裡面。委員做的決議才有執行的這個問題。委員做決議的時候人數不足。"},{"start":819.045,"end":846.53,"text":"委員人數為不足,沒辦法做決議。我願意講你講得比那個翁柏宗好,他說如果沒有NCC、iPhone沒辦法審查。你講得比較好。對啊,但是他把那個放重點了。他把那個放重點了,你講得比較好。所以我對你很有期待,請你趕快要嘛就積極推這四個,要嘛新提四個。好不好,你新提四個,大家來審嘛。不要讓陳耀強連任啊。然後再來我問一下那個地方的問題,請交通部長一起上來好不好。"},{"start":848.87,"end":862.101,"text":"上次院長趁部長上來的時候上次在交通委員會的時候我有跟部長提過我們板橋有一個太阪輕軌部長還記得嗎?他是銜接五太輕軌太阪輕軌對我們板橋非常重要"},{"start":865.584,"end":885.474,"text":"他不只是連接了非常多其他捷運,還有台鐵福州站,而且他入京了很多都市計畫。他也連接了土城中和板橋農業區,要打造新的狼袋。對我們地方很重要。可是這個太阪輕軌的可行性評估從去年一直送,送了好幾次,包括今年5月又再送。"},{"start":886.465,"end":903.908,"text":"一直沒有通過可行性評估一直沒有通過當時委員是說沒有效益但是因為我快沒時間院長我簡單跟你報告王國才在去年的時候前交通部長去年的時候報文板橋參加民進黨立委的造勢大會跟板橋社後地區的民眾講說"},{"start":905.109,"end":928.231,"text":"要來建設太阪的輕軌的支線到社後。太阪本來主線沒有到社後。王國才說要去社後蓋支線。結果現在主線一直被卡。說沒有可行性評估。沒有效益。那我請教一下王國才去年是來騙票嗎?他說要蓋支線欸。結果主線你說沒效益。那所以只蓋支線不蓋主線喔?這個可不可以幫我追一下?"},{"start":949.924,"end":950.285,"text":"好,謝謝葉委員"}]}}}}