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15:34:44","影片長度":"00:15:56","會議時間":"2024-07-09T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第21次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。\n二、7月5日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n三、7月9日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","type":"Clip","date":"2024-07-09","start_time":"2024-07-09T15:18:48+08:00","end_time":"2024-07-09T15:34:44+08:00","duration":956,"meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期第21次會議","id":"院會-11-1-21","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":21},"features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"gazette":{"lineno":220,"blocks":[["游委員顥：（15時19分）謝謝主席副院長，有請行政院院長還有衛福部部長。"],["主席：請卓院長還有衛福部邱部長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員好。"],["游委員顥：院長好，延續剛才羅廷瑋委員所提到的，衛福部公布了國人十大死因，癌症居死因之冠，占死亡人數的四分之一，癌症治療的問題急待解決，尤其賴清德總統也有提到健康臺灣的願景，希望2030年減少因癌症死亡人數的三分之一，但是理想很豐滿，現實很骨感。除了剛才羅廷瑋委員所提到的，我們來檢視一下癌症的相關預算。為了要降低死亡率，國健署擬定了最新的癌症防治計畫，但是癌症篩檢的經費是明顯不足，菸捐的收益早已不敷使用，所以衛福部今年也首度向行政院爭取明年度的公務預算，金額達31億，但是目前還沒有辦法支應2030年要達到的目標，以及明年的癌篩需求。請問除了癌篩之外，未來的公務預算或相關編列癌症的預算需求，部長要不要先說明一下？"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝。我想我們要達到2030年癌症死亡率降低三分之一，當然要整體來考量，就是委員所說的，篩檢是一個重要的部分，篩檢更應該包括到都會區跟偏鄉，尤其偏鄉的老人篩檢率特別低，所以我想有時候我們有計畫，但是要怎麼樣把它落實。為了讓篩檢更有效果，我們現在在擬定一個整體性的癌症篩檢計畫，從幾個常見的癌症篩檢，我們會把年齡層擴大，然後也希望把每一個項目的給付增加。"],["游委員顥：好。部長，我就直接問您，衛福部打算籌措100億的癌症新藥基金，民進黨執政第9年了，癌友等待癌症新藥基金已經818天，在癌篩缺口已經31億的情況之下，癌症的新藥基金就要100億，錢從哪裡來？要從衛福部的公務預算編列嗎？還是有其他預算可以支應？"],["邱部長泰源：癌症百億基金，依照需求，當然今年我們是用健保的暫時支付制度來給付，看起來對病人是有幫助，但是還沒有正式得到肯定的部分……"],["游委員顥：行政院的回應。"],["邱部長泰源：明年我們就會擴展到60億，這就是政府的公務預算，第三年我們希望達到100億。"],["游委員顥：部長您所提的，我的稿子就已經寫了，不管是24.9億、60億到第三年的100億，公務預算沒有辦法這樣隨意喊價，財政紀律的部分，當初就遵守相關的規範，財政紀律法就有明定成立基金需要國庫撥補以外的財源，所以癌症的基金不可能100億都只由公務預算支出，未來相關財源的籌措還有哪些作為？"],["邱部長泰源：你說癌症防治基金？"],["游委員顥：對。"],["邱部長泰源：癌症防治基金的部分，我們現在當然是在研擬怎麼樣設這個基金是最符合癌症病人的使用，包括將來是否有可能也讓社會各界企業來幫忙，讓整個規模增大，也許我們可以造福更多的病人；在公務基金的部分，我想我們至少在三年內一定有公務預算到百億。"],["游委員顥：本席就直接就教，相關的糖捐、菸捐、酒捐都是健保所規定的財務來源，菸捐已經開徵了，不屬於新的財務來源，請教部長，衛福部未來會不會將所謂的糖捐、酒捐進行開徵，挹注在癌症基金上？"],["邱部長泰源：因為……"],["游委員顥：還是院長直接回答好了。"],["邱部長泰源：因為菸捐已經相當滿了，因為我們有滿多包括癌症篩檢等等都是……這個可能要再研議看看。"],["游委員顥：部長，我想院長應該想要說明一下。"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，癌症新藥讓許多癌友能夠得到一些照顧，這是國家的政策，我們一定是在財政紀律法的規範底下去尋找如何來充實這個基金，目前因為還在下年度總預算的編列過程當中，我們也嘗試看哪個財源是適合的，但是委員剛剛所提到那幾項還沒有的，應該排除在這個考慮之外。"],["游委員顥：所以糖捐、菸捐、酒捐目前是排除在外？"],["卓院長榮泰：菸的部分已經是原來的。"],["游委員顥：菸的部分有在進行我知道。"],["卓院長榮泰：其他兩項目前並沒有把它納入來積極考慮，我們希望找更多適當的財源，或是接受民間的合作跟捐助。"],["游委員顥：OK。在這裡跟院長及部長特別強調一下，因為不管是糖捐還是酒捐，尤其是酒捐的話，包括料理米酒等等都是重要的民生常使用物品，這個只要一列入的時候，茲事體大，牽扯都非常深，甚至會帶動整個物價又一波上漲，這個部分院長剛才也直接回應了，不會以糖捐或者是酒捐來作為財務來源，我想這是一個很明確的答案，我覺得這樣子也很好，避免引起民怨，所以我想大家在相關的思考上面確實都有考量到這個問題。","回頭來講菸捐的部分，最近我們常常看到許多報導都提到加熱菸，在菸害防制法修正通過之後，加熱菸如果合法販售的話也可以合法課菸捐、菸稅，為什麼目前衛福部還是沒辦法儘速讓加熱菸的部分合法管制，而放著這龐大的稅收、不讓它課稅？"],["卓院長榮泰：先請部長回答。"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我想我們衛福部，尤其是國民健康署的專家小組是非常積極，regular大概每個禮拜都在開風險評估會議，目前大概有12家有意願來申請，大概有4家進行到某一個程度，可是再來要補件的時候，他們都沒有補過來，所以有時候沒辦法審下去，這個部分我們都可以很清楚地把現在所有的進度呈現給大家看。"],["游委員顥：我認為應該呈現就要呈現，因為要讓社會各界知道，其實像這種新興菸品本來就應該列入法的管制，這樣子對於民眾來講，整體的環境應該是更為健全，尤其是在歐美許多的國家，其實這些新興菸品都有管制在內。同樣的，在剛才提到的基金部分或是癌症相關的經費來源，能夠把加熱菸作為未來課稅或是菸捐的重點，我相信對於國民健康來講，也是非常有經費挹注上面的幫助。","問題是像現在水貨非常多，都卡在目前這個法規，那針對這些水貨的部分還有相關問題，衛福部有什麼具體的解決方法？目前來講，加熱菸都是水貨商賺走嘛，這個部分等同都是我們國民的稅收，這樣子加熱菸卡在健康風險評估的審查，需要請他們加快補件，以及在程序上要如何才能夠加強、才能夠讓法制管理確實可行？"],["邱部長泰源：是的，我們一切一定依法辦理，尤其在審查的過程當中，其實這是國家大事，也是大家都很注意的，我想這個過程絕對是透明、公開、公平，可以讓大家來評斷，這部分請放心。至於其他水菸那個部分，可能就是要依法辦理。"],["游委員顥：沒錯。本席還是再特別跟院長、部長強調，國民健康是非常重要，尤其是癌症的部分，它的經費來源同樣重要，剛才院長也承諾了酒捐跟糖捐是沒有，目前來講，這個菸品，尤其在新興的菸品，將來的稅收或是菸捐就可以挹注在所謂的癌症基金裡面，我希望院長這邊以及衛福部可以加強、加速，包括透明以及能夠與相關業者溝通，讓這個法規範了、制定了之後能夠具體可行，也能夠儘快讓這些財源……不要到最後變得是走私氾濫，反而是要讓這些財源可以用在國民健康之上，這樣子院長可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員指教，謝謝。"],["游委員顥：接續剛才的癌症新藥以外，另外一個用藥問題也為全國男性同胞請命，有關公費的HPV疫苗接種決策，2018年12月推動國中女生公費HPV疫苗接種，非常棒的決策，HPV的病毒確實是導致女性子宮頸癌的元兇，也是男性口咽癌的隱藏殺手，相關數據我這邊就不再強調，我想直接就教於院長和部長，在什麼時間點或是現在是不是可以開始進行我國國中兩性全面公費接種HPV疫苗？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，我想謝謝委員關心HPV對女生及男生在癌症預防方面的好處，我想國健署也爭取到預編的經費，應該是明年就可以在國中男女同時來開打。"],["游委員顥：好，再次謝謝部長。院長這部分您要補充一下嗎？因為70個國家都實施了，我國明年也會實施，院長你要特別……"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，同樣的問題部長在先前的質詢中也答復過，時程就誠如部長所說的，我們朝這個時間做好準備。"],["游委員顥：OK，謝謝，謝謝衛福部長。接著我再問勞工議題，有請勞動部長。勞動部長，因為時間有限，我一邊講，直接延續剛才提到熱傷害的議題。過去我也是勞工背景出身的，關於熱傷害的議題，國健署是積極呼籲保持涼爽、多喝白開水、提高警覺，這對勞工來講並沒有實際意義，像剛才李坤城委員在質詢的時候有提到8月會做一個法制的檢討。我們也很遺憾地看到，在昨天的時候，新北板橋的工人也是一樣熱中暑、熱衰竭，倒臥鷹架搶救不治。同樣地，許多的法規、法令的修正如果是用生命來換，我講實在這都是悲劇。我想直接請教一下部長，對於高溫假或是高溫津貼，您的看法如何？"],["何部長佩珊：目前整個國際上是還沒有所謂高溫假這個假別……"],["游委員顥：高溫假在中東已經實施了，在伊拉克、伊朗都有實施，因為在全球暖化的情況之下，許多國家陸續有高溫假。"],["何部長佩珊：他們那個是沙漠國家。"],["游委員顥：對，是沙漠國家，但是因應全球暖化，大家陸續都在研議……"],["何部長佩珊：當然，可是我們現在會研究因應高溫的避難，勞工該有的避難設備或設施的提供……"],["游委員顥：我直接跟部長回應，今天勞工或是雇主他們除了避難……避難都已經是後端了，在事前來講，尤其現在暖化的極端氣候之下，其實高溫這種情況本來就非常嚴重，高溫假的議題跟今天高溫議題的討論本來也不是新議題了，我想關於這個部分，部長是不是可以拿出比較具體的、比較正向的態度來看待高溫假或高溫津貼？"],["何部長佩珊：我們現在其實也正在研究針對高溫的問題，是不是可能有一種避難的、彈性的工作安排……"],["游委員顥：不能說只有準備到避難……"],["何部長佩珊：這個可能是會針對……比較有實際的效用啦！因為牽涉到放假的話，勞資雙方都會有不同的意見，我們如果要讓勞工在這件事情上面真正能夠儘快、立即享受這樣子的效果的話，一個是我們強化高溫的勞檢……"],["游委員顥：部長，因為時間有限，我直接講避難的部分或是相關的設施、措施，這個部分不是用人命來去做後面的補強或回應，不是說8月要檢討一個整體法制的時候，就只有檢討避難措施或是雇主責任，而是在相關不管是假的部分或是津貼的部分，都應該一併納入考量、納入檢討，不是說多少溫度以上、達到標準才能夠進行高溫假或高溫津貼，在考量這個法制的修正來講就應該是要整體，而不是只侷限於避難。本席還是請部長還有包括院長，針對高溫假、高溫津貼在8月討論的時候納入總檢討的議題之中，院長這樣是否可以？"],["卓院長榮泰：請勞動部能夠再廣納各界的看法意見，因為臺灣到底不是一個全熱帶的地方，也不是像剛剛說的沙漠國家，我們在溫度的管控上面是不是可以有更好的方式，對勞工應該盡到保護責任當然是優先的，跟各界多多來做各種意見的交換，包括勞雇雙方的關係。"],["游委員顥：好，這個部分我會提出相關的法案，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["何部長佩珊：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝游委員。","楊曜委員之質詢以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。"],["委員楊曜書面質詢：","一、如何解決全國及澎湖縣需接受早療療育課程孩童久候問題，避免錯失早療黃金治療期？","問題：疫情後，2022年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00:01:05,786\n委員好院長好就接著延續著我們剛才羅廷偉委員所提到的那在衛福部公布的十大死因癌症居死因之冠那佔死亡人數的四分之一那癌症治療的問題即待解決尤其像賴清德總統他有提到那這個健康台灣的願景那希望2030年減少因癌症死亡人數的三分之一\n\n3\n00:01:06,506 --> 00:01:33,377\n但是這理想很豐滿現實很骨感那來看一下除了剛才我們羅廷偉委員所提到的我們來檢視一下癌症的相關的預算那目前為了要降低那國健署他擬定了最新癌症防治計畫但是癌症篩檢的經費是明顯不足菸捐的收益早已不服使用那所以在衛福部這一次今年首度向行政院爭取明年度的公務預算\n\n4\n00:01:33,937 --> 00:01:36,558\n我想我們要達到2030年來把癌症死亡率降低三分之一當然要整體就是委員所說的\n\n5\n00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:28,149\n篩檢是一個重要的而篩檢更應該包括到都會區跟偏鄉尤其偏鄉的老人篩檢率特別的低所以我想有時候是我們有計畫但是怎麼樣把它落實那我們現在當然是為了為了讓它爭取的篩檢更有效果現在在擬定一個整體性的一個癌症篩檢的一個計畫那從幾個常見的一個癌症的篩檢我們會把它的年齡\n\n6\n00:02:30,061 --> 00:02:30,181\n拜訪委員\n\n7\n00:02:45,290 --> 00:03:03,133\n那這個民進黨執政第9年了癌有等待癌症新藥基金已經818天那從癌篩的缺口都已經31億的情況之下癌症的新藥基金就要100億那錢從哪裡來?要從衛福部的公務預算編列嗎?還是有其他的預算可以支援?\n\n8\n00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:26,505\n這個癌症百億基金我們因為依照需求當然今年我們是用健保的一個暫時支付的一個制度來給付看起來對病人是有幫助但是還沒有正式得到那個肯定的那個部分那明年的明年就會我們擴展到60億這個就是政府的公務預算那第三年我們希望達到100億\n\n9\n00:03:27,606 --> 00:03:53,746\n所以說這個部長您所提的我的稿子就已經寫了不管是24.9億、60億到第三年的100億那在公務預算的話它沒有辦法這樣子隨意喊價那這個財政紀律的部分有當初就遵守相關的一個規範嘛難道財政紀律法那就明定成立基金需要國庫撥補以外的財源所以說癌症的基金它這不可能100億都只有有公務預算支出\n\n10\n00:03:54,326 --> 00:04:20,635\n那在目前未來的相關的籌措的財源還有哪些的作為?癌症防治基金?那癌症防治基金我們現在當然是在演繹怎麼樣設這個基金是最符合我們能夠讓癌症病人來使用包括他是不是將來有可能也可以有社會各界企業來也來幫忙\n\n11\n00:04:37,918 --> 00:04:56,660\n那本席就直接就教,在這個相關的堂捐、煙捐、酒捐都是健保所規定的財務來源,那煙捐已經開徵了,不屬於新的財務來源。那請教部長,衛福部未來會不會將所謂的堂捐、酒捐進行開徵,譯出在癌症基金上?\n\n12\n00:05:02,924 --> 00:05:05,666\n還是院長要直接回答?部長我想院長應該想要說明一下癌症新藥的\n\n13\n00:05:20,509 --> 00:05:44,877\n讓許多癌友能夠得到一些照顧這個是國家的政策那我們一定是在財政紀律法的規範底下去尋找如何來充實這個基金那目前因為還在這個夏天度總預算的編列過程當中我們也嘗試看哪一個財源是適合的但是委員剛剛所提到那幾項還沒有的應該再排除在這個考慮之外\n\n14\n00:05:45,117 --> 00:06:00,476\n所以說,糖捐、煙捐、酒捐目前是排除在外。目前其他的這兩項目前並沒有把它納入來積極的考慮。我們希望找更多適當的裁員或是接受民間的合作跟捐助。\n\n15\n00:06:02,478 --> 00:06:23,478\n在這裡跟院長跟部長特別的強調一下因為在不管是糖捐還是酒捐尤其是酒捐的話包括料理米酒料理酒等等都是重要的民生常使用的物品那這個只要一列入的時候它姿勢體大它牽扯的非常深甚至會帶動整個物價又變得又一波的上漲\n\n16\n00:06:24,219 --> 00:06:44,936\n所以說這個部分院長剛才也直接回應了不會以這個糖捐或者是酒捐來作為這個財務的來源那我想這是一個很明確的一個答案那我覺得這樣子也很好因為避免引起民怨所以說我在想這個確實是相關大家的思考上面都有考量到這個問題那回頭來那在講這個煙捐的部分\n\n17\n00:06:49,119 --> 00:07:18,071\n那最近我們都常常看到許多的報導都提到這個加熱菸那加熱菸在菸漢防治法他已經修正通過之後那為什麼就是這個加熱菸如果合法販售的話也可以進行合法課這個菸捐菸稅那為什麼目前來講這衛福部那還是沒有辦法把這個加熱菸的這個部分還能夠盡速讓他合法來管制那放著這龐大的稅收還不讓他課稅\n\n18\n00:07:21,565 --> 00:07:47,762\n報告委員我想我們衛福部尤其是國民健康署的專家小組是非常積極大概每個禮拜都在開風險評估會議但目前大概有12家有意願來申請那大概有4家有進行到某一個程度可是再來要補件的時候他們都沒有補過來所以有時候沒辦法審下去\n\n19\n00:07:49,025 --> 00:08:15,555\n所以這個部分我想我們都很清楚的可以把整個現在所有進度呈現給大家看那我是想說應該是要呈現就要呈現因為要讓社會各界知道其實像這種新興菸品本來就應該列入這個法的管制啦那這樣子的話對於民眾來講應該做整體的環境應該是更為健全啦尤其是在歐美許多的國家其實在這些新興菸品都有在管制在內\n\n20\n00:08:16,215 --> 00:08:31,528\n同樣的在剛才提到這個基金的部分還或是癌症相關的經費的來源那把這個加熱菸還能夠把它進行這個未來課稅的一個重點或是菸捐的重點我相信對於國民健康來講\n\n21\n00:08:50,476 --> 00:09:13,657\n加熱鹽現在目前來講都是這個水貨商都賺走嘛那這個部分等同於都是我們國民的稅收那這樣子加熱鹽卡在健康風險評估的審查那在他們的補件他們需要請他們加快補件以及在這個程序上要如何才能夠去做加強才能夠讓這樣子的一個法制的管理上是能夠讓他確實可行\n\n22\n00:09:15,189 --> 00:09:39,001\n是的,我們一切一定按照依法辦理,尤其在審查的過程當中,其實這是國家大事,所以也是大家都可以注意的,我想它的過程絕對是透明、公開、而且公平給大家可以來評斷的,這個請放心。至於其他水源那個部分可能就是要依法辦理這樣子。\n\n23\n00:09:39,711 --> 00:09:55,766\n沒錯那本期還是在跟院長跟部長還特別也希望說在這個國民健康是非常的重要也是癌症的這個部分他的經費來源同樣重要那在包括目前來講是剛才也院長也承諾了\n\n24\n00:09:56,186 --> 00:09:56,426\n韓國瑜委員\n\n25\n00:10:20,708 --> 00:10:20,728\n謝謝委員長\n\n26\n00:10:36,189 --> 00:11:01,307\n那延續著剛才癌症新藥以外那另外一個用藥問題也為全國男性同胞請命在這個所謂的公費的HPV疫苗接種的決策2018年12月推動國中女生公費HPV疫苗接種非常棒的決策那這個部分也確實HPV的病毒是導致女性子宮頸癌的元兇還包括是男性口炎癌的隱藏殺手那相關的數據我這邊就不再強調\n\n27\n00:11:03,268 --> 00:11:17,942\n那我想直接就教於院長或部長那如何在什麼時間點或是現在是不是可以開始進行這個我國的國中兩性的全面的公費接種HPV疫苗。\n\n28\n00:11:19,823 --> 00:11:47,460\n報告委員我想謝謝委員關心這個HPV對男生女生以及對男生的在癌症預防方面的一個好處那我想國建署也爭取到一邊的機會應該是明年就可以在國中同時在男女同時來開打好那再次謝謝部長那院長這部分您也要補充一下嗎因為70個國家都實施了我國明年也會實施院長你要特別\n\n29\n00:11:48,704 --> 00:12:00,880\n謝謝委員同樣的問題部長在先前的資訊當中也答覆過時程就成如部長所說的那我們再朝這個時間再做好準備OK好謝謝那接著我就再問勞工議題有請勞動部長那魏部長謝謝勞動部長\n\n30\n00:12:06,209 --> 00:12:33,148\n那直接延續剛才有提到我邊講因為時間有限在熱傷害的議題那這個過去我也是勞工背景出身的那這個熱傷害的議題那如果說國建署他是積極呼籲保持涼爽多喝白開水提高警覺這個對勞工來講他並沒有實際意義那像剛才有提到在李坤哲偉有提到在質詢的時候八月會做一個法制的檢討\n\n31\n00:12:34,449 --> 00:12:58,582\n我們也很遺憾的看到在昨天的時候新北的板橋工人也是一樣熱中暑熱酸衰竭倒臥陰架搶救不治那同樣許多的法規法令的修正那如果說是用生命來換回那我講實在這都是悲劇那我想接著直接請教一下部長對於高溫假或是高溫今天您的看法\n\n32\n00:12:59,697 --> 00:13:22,587\n委員我們目前就是這整個國際上市還沒有所謂高溫價這個高溫價在中東已經實施了在伊拉克伊朗都有實施因為全球暖化的情況之下許多的國家老族陸續有高溫價喔是是委員他們那個是就是沙漠國家嗎對沙漠國家這是因應全球暖化大家都陸續都在演繹\n\n33\n00:13:22,947 --> 00:13:46,839\n可是我們現在會研究因應這個高溫的這個避難勞工他該有的這個避難的設備或設施的立功我直接跟部長回應今天勞工或是僱主他們除了避難避難都已經是後端了那在事前來講的話其實在高溫的尤其是現在暖化的極端汽油之下其實本來高溫的這種情況本來就非常的嚴重那高溫價的議題跟高溫今天的議題討論本來也不是新議題了\n\n34\n00:13:49,560 --> 00:14:04,771\n那我在想部長這個部分是不是可以拿出比較具體的比較正向的態度來看待高溫價或高溫津貼?我們現在其實也正在研究針對高溫的問題是不是有可能有一種避難的彈性的工作的安排\n\n35\n00:14:06,332 --> 00:14:26,171\n這個可能是會針對比較有實際的效用因為其實你牽涉到放假勞資雙方都有不同的意見這樣子那麼我們如果要讓勞工真正能夠盡快的能夠在這個事情上面能夠有他的這個享受立即的這樣子的一個\n\n36\n00:14:30,164 --> 00:14:41,258\n我直接講說避難的這個部分或是相關的設施措施這個部分他不是用人民上面來去做一個就是後面的一個補強或回應\n\n37\n00:14:42,179 --> 00:15:00,420\n指標不是說8月要檢討一個整體法制的時候不是說就只有檢討避難措施或是雇主責任而是在這個相關的不管是假的部分以及包括它津貼的部分都應該一併的納入考量納入檢討來講不是說多少溫度以上多少的達到標準的話才能夠進行這個高溫加或高溫津貼應該在\n\n38\n00:15:02,122 --> 00:15:16,981\n考量這個法制的修正來講就應該要整體而不是只局限於說避難那本席還是請這個部長還有報告院長針對高溫價高溫津貼在8月的討論的時候納入總統的提示中院長這樣是否可以\n\n39\n00:15:18,490 --> 00:15:19,551\n好,那這個部分我會提出相關的法案。謝謝。\n\n40\n00:15:47,657 --> 00:15:56,846\n好,謝謝游委員楊耀委員之質詢以書面提案\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n23979\t31902\t謝謝大會主席、副院長。那有請行政院長還有衛福部長。左院長還有衛福部邱部長備詢。\n39930\t65786\t委員好 院長好就接著延續著我們剛才羅廷偉委員所提到的那在衛福部公布的十大死因癌症居死因之冠那佔死亡人數的四分之一那癌症治療的問題即待解決尤其像賴清德總統他有提到那這個健康台灣的願景那希望2030年減少因癌症死亡人數的三分之一\n66506\t93377\t但是這理想很豐滿現實很骨感那來看一下除了剛才我們羅廷偉委員所提到的我們來檢視一下癌症的相關的預算那目前為了要降低那國健署他擬定了最新癌症防治計畫但是癌症篩檢的經費是明顯不足菸捐的收益早已不服使用那所以在衛福部這一次今年首度向行政院爭取明年度的公務預算\n93937\t96558\t我想我們要達到2030年來把癌症死亡率降低三分之一當然要整體就是委員所說的\n122081\t148149\t篩檢是一個重要的而篩檢更應該包括到都會區跟偏鄉尤其偏鄉的老人篩檢率特別的低所以我想有時候是我們有計畫但是怎麼樣把它落實那我們現在當然是為了為了讓它爭取的篩檢更有效果現在在擬定一個整體性的一個癌症篩檢的一個計畫那從幾個常見的一個癌症的篩檢我們會把它的年齡\n150061\t150181\t拜訪委員\n165290\t183133\t那這個民進黨執政第9年了癌有等待癌症新藥基金已經818天那從癌篩的缺口都已經31億的情況之下癌症的新藥基金就要100億那錢從哪裡來?要從衛福部的公務預算編列嗎?還是有其他的預算可以支援?\n185130\t206505\t這個癌症百億基金我們因為依照需求當然今年我們是用健保的一個暫時支付的一個制度來給付看起來對病人是有幫助但是還沒有正式得到那個肯定的那個部分那明年的明年就會我們擴展到60億這個就是政府的公務預算那第三年我們希望達到100億\n207606\t233746\t所以說這個部長您所提的我的稿子就已經寫了不管是24.9億、60億到第三年的100億那在公務預算的話它沒有辦法這樣子隨意喊價那這個財政紀律的部分有當初就遵守相關的一個規範嘛難道財政紀律法那就明定成立基金需要國庫撥補以外的財源所以說癌症的基金它這不可能100億都只有有公務預算支出\n234326\t260635\t那在目前未來的相關的籌措的財源還有哪些的作為?癌症防治基金?那癌症防治基金我們現在當然是在演繹怎麼樣設這個基金是最符合我們能夠讓癌症病人來使用包括他是不是將來有可能也可以有社會各界企業來也來幫忙\n264497\t277398\t﹗\n277918\t296660\t那本席就直接就教,在這個相關的堂捐、煙捐、酒捐都是健保所規定的財務來源,那煙捐已經開徵了,不屬於新的財務來源。那請教部長,衛福部未來會不會將所謂的堂捐、酒捐進行開徵,譯出在癌症基金上?\n302924\t305666\t還是院長要直接回答?部長我想院長應該想要說明一下癌症新藥的\n320509\t344877\t讓許多癌友能夠得到一些照顧這個是國家的政策那我們一定是在財政紀律法的規範底下去尋找如何來充實這個基金那目前因為還在這個夏天度總預算的編列過程當中我們也嘗試看哪一個財源是適合的但是委員剛剛所提到那幾項還沒有的應該再排除在這個考慮之外\n345117\t360476\t所以說,糖捐、煙捐、酒捐目前是排除在外。目前其他的這兩項目前並沒有把它納入來積極的考慮。我們希望找更多適當的裁員或是接受民間的合作跟捐助。\n362478\t383478\t在這裡跟院長跟部長特別的強調一下因為在不管是糖捐還是酒捐尤其是酒捐的話包括料理米酒料理酒等等都是重要的民生常使用的物品那這個只要一列入的時候它姿勢體大它牽扯的非常深甚至會帶動整個物價又變得又一波的上漲\n384219\t404936\t所以說這個部分院長剛才也直接回應了不會以這個糖捐或者是酒捐來作為這個財務的來源那我想這是一個很明確的一個答案那我覺得這樣子也很好因為避免引起民怨所以說我在想這個確實是相關大家的思考上面都有考量到這個問題那回頭來那在講這個煙捐的部分\n409119\t438071\t那最近我們都常常看到許多的報導都提到這個加熱菸那加熱菸在菸漢防治法他已經修正通過之後那為什麼就是這個加熱菸如果合法販售的話也可以進行合法課這個菸捐菸稅那為什麼目前來講這衛福部那還是沒有辦法把這個加熱菸的這個部分還能夠盡速讓他合法來管制那放著這龐大的稅收還不讓他課稅\n441565\t467762\t報告委員我想我們衛福部尤其是國民健康署的專家小組是非常積極大概每個禮拜都在開風險評估會議但目前大概有12家有意願來申請那大概有4家有進行到某一個程度可是再來要補件的時候他們都沒有補過來所以有時候沒辦法審下去\n469025\t495555\t所以這個部分我想我們都很清楚的可以把整個現在所有進度呈現給大家看那我是想說應該是要呈現就要呈現因為要讓社會各界知道其實像這種新興菸品本來就應該列入這個法的管制啦那這樣子的話對於民眾來講應該做整體的環境應該是更為健全啦尤其是在歐美許多的國家其實在這些新興菸品都有在管制在內\n496215\t511528\t同樣的在剛才提到這個基金的部分還或是癌症相關的經費的來源那把這個加熱菸還能夠把它進行這個未來課稅的一個重點或是菸捐的重點我相信對於國民健康來講\n512108\t528797\t﹚議員\n530476\t553657\t加熱鹽現在目前來講都是這個水貨商都賺走嘛那這個部分等同於都是我們國民的稅收那這樣子加熱鹽卡在健康風險評估的審查那在他們的補件他們需要請他們加快補件以及在這個程序上要如何才能夠去做加強才能夠讓這樣子的一個法制的管理上是能夠讓他確實可行\n555189\t579001\t是的,我們一切一定按照依法辦理,尤其在審查的過程當中,其實這是國家大事,所以也是大家都可以注意的,我想它的過程絕對是透明、公開、而且公平給大家可以來評斷的,這個請放心。至於其他水源那個部分可能就是要依法辦理這樣子。\n579711\t595766\t沒錯那本期還是在跟院長跟部長還特別也希望說在這個國民健康是非常的重要也是癌症的這個部分他的經費來源同樣重要那在包括目前來講是剛才也院長也承諾了\n596186\t596426\t韓國瑜委員\n620708\t620728\t謝謝委員長\n636189\t661307\t那延續著剛才癌症新藥以外那另外一個用藥問題也為全國男性同胞請命在這個所謂的公費的HPV疫苗接種的決策2018年12月推動國中女生公費HPV疫苗接種非常棒的決策那這個部分也確實HPV的病毒是導致女性子宮頸癌的元兇還包括是男性口炎癌的隱藏殺手那相關的數據我這邊就不再強調\n663268\t677942\t那我想直接就教於院長或部長那如何在什麼時間點或是現在是不是可以開始進行這個我國的國中兩性的全面的公費接種HPV疫苗。\n679823\t707460\t報告委員我想謝謝委員關心這個HPV對男生女生以及對男生的在癌症預防方面的一個好處那我想國建署也爭取到一邊的機會應該是明年就可以在國中同時在男女同時來開打好那再次謝謝部長那院長這部分您也要補充一下嗎因為70個國家都實施了我國明年也會實施院長你要特別\n708704\t720880\t謝謝委員同樣的問題部長在先前的資訊當中也答覆過時程就成如部長所說的那我們再朝這個時間再做好準備OK好謝謝那接著我就再問勞工議題有請勞動部長那魏部長謝謝勞動部長\n726209\t753148\t那直接延續剛才有提到我邊講因為時間有限在熱傷害的議題那這個過去我也是勞工背景出身的那這個熱傷害的議題那如果說國建署他是積極呼籲保持涼爽多喝白開水提高警覺這個對勞工來講他並沒有實際意義那像剛才有提到在李坤哲偉有提到在質詢的時候八月會做一個法制的檢討\n754449\t778582\t我們也很遺憾的看到在昨天的時候新北的板橋工人也是一樣熱中暑熱酸衰竭倒臥陰架搶救不治那同樣許多的法規法令的修正那如果說是用生命來換回那我講實在這都是悲劇那我想接著直接請教一下部長對於高溫假或是高溫今天您的看法\n779697\t802587\t委員我們目前就是這整個國際上市還沒有所謂高溫價這個高溫價在中東已經實施了在伊拉克伊朗都有實施因為全球暖化的情況之下許多的國家老族陸續有高溫價喔是是委員他們那個是就是沙漠國家嗎對沙漠國家這是因應全球暖化大家都陸續都在演繹\n802947\t826839\t可是我們現在會研究因應這個高溫的這個避難勞工他該有的這個避難的設備或設施的立功我直接跟部長回應今天勞工或是僱主他們除了避難避難都已經是後端了那在事前來講的話其實在高溫的尤其是現在暖化的極端汽油之下其實本來高溫的這種情況本來就非常的嚴重那高溫價的議題跟高溫今天的議題討論本來也不是新議題了\n829560\t844771\t那我在想部長這個部分是不是可以拿出比較具體的比較正向的態度來看待高溫價或高溫津貼?我們現在其實也正在研究針對高溫的問題是不是有可能有一種避難的彈性的工作的安排\n846332\t866171\t這個可能是會針對比較有實際的效用因為其實你牽涉到放假勞資雙方都有不同的意見這樣子那麼我們如果要讓勞工真正能夠盡快的能夠在這個事情上面能夠有他的這個享受立即的這樣子的一個\n870164\t881258\t我直接講說避難的這個部分或是相關的設施措施這個部分他不是用人民上面來去做一個就是後面的一個補強或回應\n882179\t900420\t指標不是說8月要檢討一個整體法制的時候不是說就只有檢討避難措施或是雇主責任而是在這個相關的不管是假的部分以及包括它津貼的部分都應該一併的納入考量納入檢討來講不是說多少溫度以上多少的達到標準的話才能夠進行這個高溫加或高溫津貼應該在\n902122\t916981\t考量這個法制的修正來講就應該要整體而不是只局限於說避難那本席還是請這個部長還有報告院長針對高溫價高溫津貼在8月的討論的時候納入總統的提示中院長這樣是否可以\n918490\t919551\t好,那這個部分我會提出相關的法案。謝謝。\n947657\t956846\t好,謝謝游委員楊耀委員之質詢以書面提案\n","txt":"謝謝大會主席、副院長。那有請行政院長還有衛福部長。左院長還有衛福部邱部長備詢。\n委員好 院長好就接著延續著我們剛才羅廷偉委員所提到的那在衛福部公布的十大死因癌症居死因之冠那佔死亡人數的四分之一那癌症治療的問題即待解決尤其像賴清德總統他有提到那這個健康台灣的願景那希望2030年減少因癌症死亡人數的三分之一\n但是這理想很豐滿現實很骨感那來看一下除了剛才我們羅廷偉委員所提到的我們來檢視一下癌症的相關的預算那目前為了要降低那國健署他擬定了最新癌症防治計畫但是癌症篩檢的經費是明顯不足菸捐的收益早已不服使用那所以在衛福部這一次今年首度向行政院爭取明年度的公務預算\n我想我們要達到2030年來把癌症死亡率降低三分之一當然要整體就是委員所說的\n篩檢是一個重要的而篩檢更應該包括到都會區跟偏鄉尤其偏鄉的老人篩檢率特別的低所以我想有時候是我們有計畫但是怎麼樣把它落實那我們現在當然是為了為了讓它爭取的篩檢更有效果現在在擬定一個整體性的一個癌症篩檢的一個計畫那從幾個常見的一個癌症的篩檢我們會把它的年齡\n拜訪委員\n那這個民進黨執政第9年了癌有等待癌症新藥基金已經818天那從癌篩的缺口都已經31億的情況之下癌症的新藥基金就要100億那錢從哪裡來?要從衛福部的公務預算編列嗎?還是有其他的預算可以支援?\n這個癌症百億基金我們因為依照需求當然今年我們是用健保的一個暫時支付的一個制度來給付看起來對病人是有幫助但是還沒有正式得到那個肯定的那個部分那明年的明年就會我們擴展到60億這個就是政府的公務預算那第三年我們希望達到100億\n所以說這個部長您所提的我的稿子就已經寫了不管是24.9億、60億到第三年的100億那在公務預算的話它沒有辦法這樣子隨意喊價那這個財政紀律的部分有當初就遵守相關的一個規範嘛難道財政紀律法那就明定成立基金需要國庫撥補以外的財源所以說癌症的基金它這不可能100億都只有有公務預算支出\n那在目前未來的相關的籌措的財源還有哪些的作為?癌症防治基金?那癌症防治基金我們現在當然是在演繹怎麼樣設這個基金是最符合我們能夠讓癌症病人來使用包括他是不是將來有可能也可以有社會各界企業來也來幫忙\n﹗\n那本席就直接就教,在這個相關的堂捐、煙捐、酒捐都是健保所規定的財務來源,那煙捐已經開徵了,不屬於新的財務來源。那請教部長,衛福部未來會不會將所謂的堂捐、酒捐進行開徵,譯出在癌症基金上?\n還是院長要直接回答?部長我想院長應該想要說明一下癌症新藥的\n讓許多癌友能夠得到一些照顧這個是國家的政策那我們一定是在財政紀律法的規範底下去尋找如何來充實這個基金那目前因為還在這個夏天度總預算的編列過程當中我們也嘗試看哪一個財源是適合的但是委員剛剛所提到那幾項還沒有的應該再排除在這個考慮之外\n所以說,糖捐、煙捐、酒捐目前是排除在外。目前其他的這兩項目前並沒有把它納入來積極的考慮。我們希望找更多適當的裁員或是接受民間的合作跟捐助。\n在這裡跟院長跟部長特別的強調一下因為在不管是糖捐還是酒捐尤其是酒捐的話包括料理米酒料理酒等等都是重要的民生常使用的物品那這個只要一列入的時候它姿勢體大它牽扯的非常深甚至會帶動整個物價又變得又一波的上漲\n所以說這個部分院長剛才也直接回應了不會以這個糖捐或者是酒捐來作為這個財務的來源那我想這是一個很明確的一個答案那我覺得這樣子也很好因為避免引起民怨所以說我在想這個確實是相關大家的思考上面都有考量到這個問題那回頭來那在講這個煙捐的部分\n那最近我們都常常看到許多的報導都提到這個加熱菸那加熱菸在菸漢防治法他已經修正通過之後那為什麼就是這個加熱菸如果合法販售的話也可以進行合法課這個菸捐菸稅那為什麼目前來講這衛福部那還是沒有辦法把這個加熱菸的這個部分還能夠盡速讓他合法來管制那放著這龐大的稅收還不讓他課稅\n報告委員我想我們衛福部尤其是國民健康署的專家小組是非常積極大概每個禮拜都在開風險評估會議但目前大概有12家有意願來申請那大概有4家有進行到某一個程度可是再來要補件的時候他們都沒有補過來所以有時候沒辦法審下去\n所以這個部分我想我們都很清楚的可以把整個現在所有進度呈現給大家看那我是想說應該是要呈現就要呈現因為要讓社會各界知道其實像這種新興菸品本來就應該列入這個法的管制啦那這樣子的話對於民眾來講應該做整體的環境應該是更為健全啦尤其是在歐美許多的國家其實在這些新興菸品都有在管制在內\n同樣的在剛才提到這個基金的部分還或是癌症相關的經費的來源那把這個加熱菸還能夠把它進行這個未來課稅的一個重點或是菸捐的重點我相信對於國民健康來講\n﹚議員\n加熱鹽現在目前來講都是這個水貨商都賺走嘛那這個部分等同於都是我們國民的稅收那這樣子加熱鹽卡在健康風險評估的審查那在他們的補件他們需要請他們加快補件以及在這個程序上要如何才能夠去做加強才能夠讓這樣子的一個法制的管理上是能夠讓他確實可行\n是的,我們一切一定按照依法辦理,尤其在審查的過程當中,其實這是國家大事,所以也是大家都可以注意的,我想它的過程絕對是透明、公開、而且公平給大家可以來評斷的,這個請放心。至於其他水源那個部分可能就是要依法辦理這樣子。\n沒錯那本期還是在跟院長跟部長還特別也希望說在這個國民健康是非常的重要也是癌症的這個部分他的經費來源同樣重要那在包括目前來講是剛才也院長也承諾了\n韓國瑜委員\n謝謝委員長\n那延續著剛才癌症新藥以外那另外一個用藥問題也為全國男性同胞請命在這個所謂的公費的HPV疫苗接種的決策2018年12月推動國中女生公費HPV疫苗接種非常棒的決策那這個部分也確實HPV的病毒是導致女性子宮頸癌的元兇還包括是男性口炎癌的隱藏殺手那相關的數據我這邊就不再強調\n那我想直接就教於院長或部長那如何在什麼時間點或是現在是不是可以開始進行這個我國的國中兩性的全面的公費接種HPV疫苗。\n報告委員我想謝謝委員關心這個HPV對男生女生以及對男生的在癌症預防方面的一個好處那我想國建署也爭取到一邊的機會應該是明年就可以在國中同時在男女同時來開打好那再次謝謝部長那院長這部分您也要補充一下嗎因為70個國家都實施了我國明年也會實施院長你要特別\n謝謝委員同樣的問題部長在先前的資訊當中也答覆過時程就成如部長所說的那我們再朝這個時間再做好準備OK好謝謝那接著我就再問勞工議題有請勞動部長那魏部長謝謝勞動部長\n那直接延續剛才有提到我邊講因為時間有限在熱傷害的議題那這個過去我也是勞工背景出身的那這個熱傷害的議題那如果說國建署他是積極呼籲保持涼爽多喝白開水提高警覺這個對勞工來講他並沒有實際意義那像剛才有提到在李坤哲偉有提到在質詢的時候八月會做一個法制的檢討\n我們也很遺憾的看到在昨天的時候新北的板橋工人也是一樣熱中暑熱酸衰竭倒臥陰架搶救不治那同樣許多的法規法令的修正那如果說是用生命來換回那我講實在這都是悲劇那我想接著直接請教一下部長對於高溫假或是高溫今天您的看法\n委員我們目前就是這整個國際上市還沒有所謂高溫價這個高溫價在中東已經實施了在伊拉克伊朗都有實施因為全球暖化的情況之下許多的國家老族陸續有高溫價喔是是委員他們那個是就是沙漠國家嗎對沙漠國家這是因應全球暖化大家都陸續都在演繹\n可是我們現在會研究因應這個高溫的這個避難勞工他該有的這個避難的設備或設施的立功我直接跟部長回應今天勞工或是僱主他們除了避難避難都已經是後端了那在事前來講的話其實在高溫的尤其是現在暖化的極端汽油之下其實本來高溫的這種情況本來就非常的嚴重那高溫價的議題跟高溫今天的議題討論本來也不是新議題了\n那我在想部長這個部分是不是可以拿出比較具體的比較正向的態度來看待高溫價或高溫津貼?我們現在其實也正在研究針對高溫的問題是不是有可能有一種避難的彈性的工作的安排\n這個可能是會針對比較有實際的效用因為其實你牽涉到放假勞資雙方都有不同的意見這樣子那麼我們如果要讓勞工真正能夠盡快的能夠在這個事情上面能夠有他的這個享受立即的這樣子的一個\n我直接講說避難的這個部分或是相關的設施措施這個部分他不是用人民上面來去做一個就是後面的一個補強或回應\n指標不是說8月要檢討一個整體法制的時候不是說就只有檢討避難措施或是雇主責任而是在這個相關的不管是假的部分以及包括它津貼的部分都應該一併的納入考量納入檢討來講不是說多少溫度以上多少的達到標準的話才能夠進行這個高溫加或高溫津貼應該在\n考量這個法制的修正來講就應該要整體而不是只局限於說避難那本席還是請這個部長還有報告院長針對高溫價高溫津貼在8月的討論的時候納入總統的提示中院長這樣是否可以\n好,那這個部分我會提出相關的法案。謝謝。\n好,謝謝游委員楊耀委員之質詢以書面提案\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:23.979 --> 00:31.902\n謝謝大會主席、副院長。那有請行政院長還有衛福部長。左院長還有衛福部邱部長備詢。\n\n00:39.930 --> 01:05.786\n委員好院長好就接著延續著我們剛才羅廷偉委員所提到的那在衛福部公布的十大死因癌症居死因之冠那佔死亡人數的四分之一那癌症治療的問題即待解決尤其像賴清德總統他有提到那這個健康台灣的願景那希望2030年減少因癌症死亡人數的三分之一\n\n01:06.506 --> 01:33.377\n但是這理想很豐滿現實很骨感那來看一下除了剛才我們羅廷偉委員所提到的我們來檢視一下癌症的相關的預算那目前為了要降低那國健署他擬定了最新癌症防治計畫但是癌症篩檢的經費是明顯不足菸捐的收益早已不服使用那所以在衛福部這一次今年首度向行政院爭取明年度的公務預算\n\n01:33.937 --> 01:36.558\n我想我們要達到2030年來把癌症死亡率降低三分之一當然要整體就是委員所說的\n\n02:02.081 --> 02:28.149\n篩檢是一個重要的而篩檢更應該包括到都會區跟偏鄉尤其偏鄉的老人篩檢率特別的低所以我想有時候是我們有計畫但是怎麼樣把它落實那我們現在當然是為了為了讓它爭取的篩檢更有效果現在在擬定一個整體性的一個癌症篩檢的一個計畫那從幾個常見的一個癌症的篩檢我們會把它的年齡\n\n02:30.061 --> 02:30.181\n拜訪委員\n\n02:45.290 --> 03:03.133\n那這個民進黨執政第9年了癌有等待癌症新藥基金已經818天那從癌篩的缺口都已經31億的情況之下癌症的新藥基金就要100億那錢從哪裡來?要從衛福部的公務預算編列嗎?還是有其他的預算可以支援?\n\n03:05.130 --> 03:26.505\n這個癌症百億基金我們因為依照需求當然今年我們是用健保的一個暫時支付的一個制度來給付看起來對病人是有幫助但是還沒有正式得到那個肯定的那個部分那明年的明年就會我們擴展到60億這個就是政府的公務預算那第三年我們希望達到100億\n\n03:27.606 --> 03:53.746\n所以說這個部長您所提的我的稿子就已經寫了不管是24.9億、60億到第三年的100億那在公務預算的話它沒有辦法這樣子隨意喊價那這個財政紀律的部分有當初就遵守相關的一個規範嘛難道財政紀律法那就明定成立基金需要國庫撥補以外的財源所以說癌症的基金它這不可能100億都只有有公務預算支出\n\n03:54.326 --> 04:20.635\n那在目前未來的相關的籌措的財源還有哪些的作為?癌症防治基金?那癌症防治基金我們現在當然是在演繹怎麼樣設這個基金是最符合我們能夠讓癌症病人來使用包括他是不是將來有可能也可以有社會各界企業來也來幫忙\n\n04:37.918 --> 04:56.660\n那本席就直接就教,在這個相關的堂捐、煙捐、酒捐都是健保所規定的財務來源,那煙捐已經開徵了,不屬於新的財務來源。那請教部長,衛福部未來會不會將所謂的堂捐、酒捐進行開徵,譯出在癌症基金上?\n\n05:02.924 --> 05:05.666\n還是院長要直接回答?部長我想院長應該想要說明一下癌症新藥的\n\n05:20.509 --> 05:44.877\n讓許多癌友能夠得到一些照顧這個是國家的政策那我們一定是在財政紀律法的規範底下去尋找如何來充實這個基金那目前因為還在這個夏天度總預算的編列過程當中我們也嘗試看哪一個財源是適合的但是委員剛剛所提到那幾項還沒有的應該再排除在這個考慮之外\n\n05:45.117 --> 06:00.476\n所以說,糖捐、煙捐、酒捐目前是排除在外。目前其他的這兩項目前並沒有把它納入來積極的考慮。我們希望找更多適當的裁員或是接受民間的合作跟捐助。\n\n06:02.478 --> 06:23.478\n在這裡跟院長跟部長特別的強調一下因為在不管是糖捐還是酒捐尤其是酒捐的話包括料理米酒料理酒等等都是重要的民生常使用的物品那這個只要一列入的時候它姿勢體大它牽扯的非常深甚至會帶動整個物價又變得又一波的上漲\n\n06:24.219 --> 06:44.936\n所以說這個部分院長剛才也直接回應了不會以這個糖捐或者是酒捐來作為這個財務的來源那我想這是一個很明確的一個答案那我覺得這樣子也很好因為避免引起民怨所以說我在想這個確實是相關大家的思考上面都有考量到這個問題那回頭來那在講這個煙捐的部分\n\n06:49.119 --> 07:18.071\n那最近我們都常常看到許多的報導都提到這個加熱菸那加熱菸在菸漢防治法他已經修正通過之後那為什麼就是這個加熱菸如果合法販售的話也可以進行合法課這個菸捐菸稅那為什麼目前來講這衛福部那還是沒有辦法把這個加熱菸的這個部分還能夠盡速讓他合法來管制那放著這龐大的稅收還不讓他課稅\n\n07:21.565 --> 07:47.762\n報告委員我想我們衛福部尤其是國民健康署的專家小組是非常積極大概每個禮拜都在開風險評估會議但目前大概有12家有意願來申請那大概有4家有進行到某一個程度可是再來要補件的時候他們都沒有補過來所以有時候沒辦法審下去\n\n07:49.025 --> 08:15.555\n所以這個部分我想我們都很清楚的可以把整個現在所有進度呈現給大家看那我是想說應該是要呈現就要呈現因為要讓社會各界知道其實像這種新興菸品本來就應該列入這個法的管制啦那這樣子的話對於民眾來講應該做整體的環境應該是更為健全啦尤其是在歐美許多的國家其實在這些新興菸品都有在管制在內\n\n08:16.215 --> 08:31.528\n同樣的在剛才提到這個基金的部分還或是癌症相關的經費的來源那把這個加熱菸還能夠把它進行這個未來課稅的一個重點或是菸捐的重點我相信對於國民健康來講\n\n08:50.476 --> 09:13.657\n加熱鹽現在目前來講都是這個水貨商都賺走嘛那這個部分等同於都是我們國民的稅收那這樣子加熱鹽卡在健康風險評估的審查那在他們的補件他們需要請他們加快補件以及在這個程序上要如何才能夠去做加強才能夠讓這樣子的一個法制的管理上是能夠讓他確實可行\n\n09:15.189 --> 09:39.001\n是的,我們一切一定按照依法辦理,尤其在審查的過程當中,其實這是國家大事,所以也是大家都可以注意的,我想它的過程絕對是透明、公開、而且公平給大家可以來評斷的,這個請放心。至於其他水源那個部分可能就是要依法辦理這樣子。\n\n09:39.711 --> 09:55.766\n沒錯那本期還是在跟院長跟部長還特別也希望說在這個國民健康是非常的重要也是癌症的這個部分他的經費來源同樣重要那在包括目前來講是剛才也院長也承諾了\n\n09:56.186 --> 09:56.426\n韓國瑜委員\n\n10:20.708 --> 10:20.728\n謝謝委員長\n\n10:36.189 --> 11:01.307\n那延續著剛才癌症新藥以外那另外一個用藥問題也為全國男性同胞請命在這個所謂的公費的HPV疫苗接種的決策2018年12月推動國中女生公費HPV疫苗接種非常棒的決策那這個部分也確實HPV的病毒是導致女性子宮頸癌的元兇還包括是男性口炎癌的隱藏殺手那相關的數據我這邊就不再強調\n\n11:03.268 --> 11:17.942\n那我想直接就教於院長或部長那如何在什麼時間點或是現在是不是可以開始進行這個我國的國中兩性的全面的公費接種HPV疫苗。\n\n11:19.823 --> 11:47.460\n報告委員我想謝謝委員關心這個HPV對男生女生以及對男生的在癌症預防方面的一個好處那我想國建署也爭取到一邊的機會應該是明年就可以在國中同時在男女同時來開打好那再次謝謝部長那院長這部分您也要補充一下嗎因為70個國家都實施了我國明年也會實施院長你要特別\n\n11:48.704 --> 12:00.880\n謝謝委員同樣的問題部長在先前的資訊當中也答覆過時程就成如部長所說的那我們再朝這個時間再做好準備OK好謝謝那接著我就再問勞工議題有請勞動部長那魏部長謝謝勞動部長\n\n12:06.209 --> 12:33.148\n那直接延續剛才有提到我邊講因為時間有限在熱傷害的議題那這個過去我也是勞工背景出身的那這個熱傷害的議題那如果說國建署他是積極呼籲保持涼爽多喝白開水提高警覺這個對勞工來講他並沒有實際意義那像剛才有提到在李坤哲偉有提到在質詢的時候八月會做一個法制的檢討\n\n12:34.449 --> 12:58.582\n我們也很遺憾的看到在昨天的時候新北的板橋工人也是一樣熱中暑熱酸衰竭倒臥陰架搶救不治那同樣許多的法規法令的修正那如果說是用生命來換回那我講實在這都是悲劇那我想接著直接請教一下部長對於高溫假或是高溫今天您的看法\n\n12:59.697 --> 13:22.587\n委員我們目前就是這整個國際上市還沒有所謂高溫價這個高溫價在中東已經實施了在伊拉克伊朗都有實施因為全球暖化的情況之下許多的國家老族陸續有高溫價喔是是委員他們那個是就是沙漠國家嗎對沙漠國家這是因應全球暖化大家都陸續都在演繹\n\n13:22.947 --> 13:46.839\n可是我們現在會研究因應這個高溫的這個避難勞工他該有的這個避難的設備或設施的立功我直接跟部長回應今天勞工或是僱主他們除了避難避難都已經是後端了那在事前來講的話其實在高溫的尤其是現在暖化的極端汽油之下其實本來高溫的這種情況本來就非常的嚴重那高溫價的議題跟高溫今天的議題討論本來也不是新議題了\n\n13:49.560 --> 14:04.771\n那我在想部長這個部分是不是可以拿出比較具體的比較正向的態度來看待高溫價或高溫津貼?我們現在其實也正在研究針對高溫的問題是不是有可能有一種避難的彈性的工作的安排\n\n14:06.332 --> 14:26.171\n這個可能是會針對比較有實際的效用因為其實你牽涉到放假勞資雙方都有不同的意見這樣子那麼我們如果要讓勞工真正能夠盡快的能夠在這個事情上面能夠有他的這個享受立即的這樣子的一個\n\n14:30.164 --> 14:41.258\n我直接講說避難的這個部分或是相關的設施措施這個部分他不是用人民上面來去做一個就是後面的一個補強或回應\n\n14:42.179 --> 15:00.420\n指標不是說8月要檢討一個整體法制的時候不是說就只有檢討避難措施或是雇主責任而是在這個相關的不管是假的部分以及包括它津貼的部分都應該一併的納入考量納入檢討來講不是說多少溫度以上多少的達到標準的話才能夠進行這個高溫加或高溫津貼應該在\n\n15:02.122 --> 15:16.981\n考量這個法制的修正來講就應該要整體而不是只局限於說避難那本席還是請這個部長還有報告院長針對高溫價高溫津貼在8月的討論的時候納入總統的提示中院長這樣是否可以\n\n15:18.490 --> 15:19.551\n好,那這個部分我會提出相關的法案。謝謝。\n\n15:47.657 --> 15:56.846\n好,謝謝游委員楊耀委員之質詢以書面提案\n\n","segments":[{"start":23.979,"end":31.902,"text":"謝謝大會主席、副院長。那有請行政院長還有衛福部長。左院長還有衛福部邱部長備詢。"},{"start":39.93,"end":65.786,"text":"委員好 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