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00:02:43,915\n這一部分也要先跟院長報告希望藉由這一次的機會希望我們院長跟部長針對我們桃園南區尤其沿海這醫療匱乏資源的問題那希望能夠多幫我們爭取這醫療資源那針對部桃新屋分院這部分部長我們現在這個進度到底到哪裡從108年說已經開始完成已經開始進行那現在到底進行到哪裡\n\n7\n00:02:44,964 --> 00:03:01,991\n請部長報告進的進度好謝謝委員那也感謝我們在前幾個禮拜去考察的時候委員也特別親自來一起來關心我們新屋這邊尤其是海邊這邊的醫療資源的一個興建那因為我們桃園醫院其實在\n\n8\n00:03:10,592 --> 00:03:34,484\n本來就有送一些一直在修改一些計畫然後這中間剛好承攬的廠商那個建築師在112年11月26日生故所以我們變成說重新再依照工程會的一個函我們再重新來函付在113年7月2日函付重新辦理規劃招標作業\n\n9\n00:03:36,516 --> 00:03:41,300\n阿依依依依依三年齡6月12號結標阿現在現在正在演繹計畫書我想依據連\n\n10\n00:03:48,374 --> 00:04:11,579\n現在正在研擬計劃書嗎?將計劃書送給本部審查通過我們會提報行政院來審核。其實這個問題那時候我們跟部長也去考察啦相信部長對這部分的了解那今天藉由總諮詢提出就是希望我們卓院長能夠多幫忙因為我們希望我們政策是有延續性的從108年蔡總統就宣布\n\n11\n00:04:14,980 --> 00:04:39,785\n這擴建案已經核准已經進行到現在已經四五年的時間其實據我們了解還是只有取得土地中間剛剛部長講了那麼多其實最後還是打回原形還是只有取得土地所以我希望藉由今天提出我們卓院長為我們桃園南區這沿海醫療資源當然部桃新屋分園是一個指標性希望我們卓院長\n\n12\n00:04:40,385 --> 00:05:07,802\n跟邱部長針對我們部桃西部分院的擴建就是主要就是為我們沿海醫療資源匱乏的問題能夠盡量幫我們提升希望今年8月的時候這個部桃能夠提出他的這個計畫出來會提到衛福部我就請衛福部能夠審慎的審查希望院長部長為我們這沿海醫療資源多幫我們來爭取是好那接下來這部分可能要請我們環境部的彭部長\n\n13\n00:05:09,329 --> 00:05:11,155\n那邱部長可以先請休息。\n\n14\n00:05:17,233 --> 00:05:43,280\n好,彭副長,針對上個月底我們環境部我們看提出了一個新的草案就是要把我們空污排放標準加鹽管制還有加強料源管理並比照國際ISO還有SRF營運體檢輔導團等等好,這一些我們環境部針對SRF管理的修法三大草案跟大致的方向你看一下這個\n\n15\n00:05:44,720 --> 00:06:09,746\n這個是我們提出三大草案的三大方向吧。對,謝謝。好,那針對這一部分呢,其實部長也知道,其實現在SRF其實為什麼會大家這麼注意,就是因為我們桃園有三家SRF這垃圾發電廠的進駐。我想請問一下,民眾都說SRF根本就是垃圾焚化爐發電廠。這一部分部長你對這有什麼看法?\n\n16\n00:06:10,246 --> 00:06:24,805\n報告委員,SRF它是一種再生能源但是它不等於綠電也不等於綠能所以這是非常清楚的那過去呢其實桃園有非常多家的SRF的製造廠它其實我真的去看過上年後第二個禮拜就去看了\n\n17\n00:06:25,185 --> 00:06:48,664\n也看出這個問題所以我們才很快的就有一個輔導團成立那我們也預先設置一個草案也報告委員因為這個問題還蠻大的所以我很勇於的接受這個挑戰我們9月份整個全台灣49家還有49家製造商還有17家的使用SRF的工廠我們全部會有一個體檢報告我們會把這種指引提升為管理辦法\n\n18\n00:06:49,502 --> 00:07:03,869\n好其實這部分在委員會的時候我也跟部長有提出過質詢那其實我們對彭部長的期望也很高也看我們彭部長在接受媒體訪問的時候在6月6號的時候你也有講\n\n19\n00:07:05,690 --> 00:07:34,128\n從幫助檢探的角度SRF不應該被污名化所以我們也同意希望SRF這個標準能夠提高所以對部長我們也有很高的期望而且說實在據我們了解我那時候也知道原來我們部長也是觀音出身也算是我們觀音人我希望部長有空來觀音走一走因為觀音的鄉親對這個空窩真的是忍無可忍我們希望部長有空來觀音走走SRF不要來\n\n20\n00:07:34,728 --> 00:07:58,981\n沒問題其實報告委員其實桃園的問題因為他現在已經進入他的整個桃科已經有環評通過了所以基本上他的這個管理還是在桃園市政府因為他的一個總量管制所以這個還是要桃園市政府來決定啦那我們目前處理的是49家生產製造的包含很多在桃園那還有這個在使用的那未來如果他們開始營運我們一樣的標準會同樣的列管\n\n21\n00:07:59,332 --> 00:08:28,180\n好部長那我們先來討論一下就是我們新三法草案跟現行規範的比較齁我們看一下我們重金屬空氣污染物鉛、鋼、鎘這排放的標準這是我們新草案的排放標準嘛對不對沒錯對好這是新草案排放標準那看一下我們現在現行的現行草案的標準來比較看一下部長你看一下這個好像兩個標準是一模一樣\n\n22\n00:08:29,638 --> 00:08:46,406\n這個是我們其實還有別的標準,包含戴奧辛,我們是完全是比照歐盟的標準。那戴奧辛我們在討論。所以看起來千鞏葛三個重金屬,其實我們查過就是照搬廢棄物、焚化爐、空氣污染物的排放標準,其實是一模一樣。\n\n23\n00:08:47,466 --> 00:09:07,677\n好那接下來我們來看因為部長剛剛有講還有代號心的部分好我們來看一下我們下一個我們代號心我們代號心的部分我們也來看齁其實跟剛剛是一樣齁也是直接磨用中巧型廢棄物氛化毒代號心管制及排放標準部長你有沒有發現其實也是一樣\n\n24\n00:09:08,538 --> 00:09:22,475\n對其實這個因為我們目前使用的這個很多的鍋爐工廠並沒有這麼嚴格的標準所以我們全面提升到至少焚化爐的標準照歐盟所以其實剛剛前面我聽部長講其實部長對SRF如果講稱為垃圾焚化爐部長應該也不是很認同\n\n25\n00:09:27,881 --> 00:09:48,273\n對,其實他如果有些是白料,像我在桃園看到有的是白料的,認真的,那就是OK,但是有些真的是垃圾去壓的,那就有問題。可是我們看一下我們從重金屬,三項重金屬的排放標準,鉛、鋼、鎘,還有我們剛剛講,你說代耀鋅,代耀鋅的排放標準也是比照垃圾焚化毒,所以他這個\n\n26\n00:09:49,133 --> 00:09:50,234\n所以我的意思是說\n\n27\n00:10:14,514 --> 00:10:29,311\n這SRF你就是拿垃圾焚化爐的標準來做啊所以我們說SRF就是垃圾焚化爐目前看起來就是啊沒有錯啊就是至少以這個標準但是過去是完全沒有特別的標準過去是更鬆的\n\n28\n00:10:29,551 --> 00:10:44,137\n我希望部長我們針對SRF那時候你接受訪問你說要更嚴格說實在我們看到我們新修的草案根本就是搬舊的來使用也就是跟現行的規範是一模一樣那所以我們也看過\n\n29\n00:10:45,197 --> 00:11:06,637\n有好幾家其實SRF的電廠他訂的標準都比我們環境部訂的標準還嚴格所以我覺得部長處針對這部分我們要好好針對這個草案再來研議一下好謝謝委員這個是草案那還有討論的空間那主要我們等9月我們的那個體檢報告完整出來之後也歡迎委員逐一的來檢視\n\n30\n00:11:07,458 --> 00:11:24,879\n所以我就是希望就是草案希望提醒部長這個草案跟之前是一模一樣所以完全沒有改啊所以居然是草案希望在還能改還能加嚴的時候請部長喔這部分一定要注意我怕你沒有注意到你看這兩樣重金屬跟我們\n\n31\n00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:46,592\n﹗大躍興﹗最主要大躍興跟重金屬這兩樣根本就是搬舊法完全來照抄使用。然後針對我們貴部3月份修正的事業廢棄物清理計畫審查第7次的修正版我們看作為SRF原料的廢棄物當中有啦這一部分有進步了刪除了污泥類\n\n32\n00:11:47,392 --> 00:12:06,682\n但是我要跟部長報告喔,最主要的部分我們的塑膠、橡膠也就是會產生四季之毒的黛奧辛完全還是在裡面。那針對我們大家最擔心空污最影響最嚴重的黛奧辛我們看到還是沒有改善啊。\n\n33\n00:12:07,868 --> 00:12:35,158\n報告委員其實如果說他的鍋爐的溫度夠高他戴奧星的這個問題就可以解決所以其實我們還是要嚴格逐一的看每一個鍋爐他的溫度還有他使用的料材有多少所以基本上我們是基本上先用這個焚化爐的標準來處理這個SRF的使用場但是未來我覺得我們在等到9月份體檢報告出來了之後如果我們發現還是有混料還是產生的話會明顯的加嚴\n\n34\n00:12:35,738 --> 00:12:45,427\n部長你講的溫度就是熱值嘛對不對?好那我們來看下一步齁我們針對我們現在新草案有關SRF的規範齁我請問一下我們是根據國際哪個標準來訂定的?歐盟\n\n35\n00:12:48,922 --> 00:12:50,223\n我們部長請你看一下你剛剛有講\n\n36\n00:13:08,699 --> 00:13:31,148\n那我們就是相同的進熱值就是大於等於2392我們來做比較你看國際的標準綠的含量小於1.5、拱的含量小於0.1但是我們新草案SRF2其實這就是我們一般現在的標準綠含量是大於等於3、拱的含量是大於等於0.15\n\n37\n00:13:32,529 --> 00:13:45,169\n所以我們一直講說要訂立嚴格的標準你看以我們相同的熱值而且你以國際相同的標準ISO21640你看我們的標準還是寬鬆非常非常多阿\n\n38\n00:13:45,869 --> 00:14:09,604\n報告委員這個只是草案我們還有討論的時間因為它只是一個預告期那我們也會遵照委員的建議我們如果9月出來的時候我們也會把這個意見把它採納進來對啊所以所以我就說因為是草案所以我一定要現在講你等到標準定定的時候我怕為時已晚還有我們針對我們針對我們SRF其實我看我們比較有改變的地方就是\n\n39\n00:14:30,615 --> 00:14:45,996\n目前我們沒有一個SRF的發電廠能夠達到SRF1所以我們這樣子的設計我們會要求使用較低階SRF2限期改善成為SRF1嗎?不然為什麼訂定兩套標準?\n\n40\n00:14:46,701 --> 00:15:04,906\n報告委員這個其實等到9月我們那個體檢報告因為現在我們逐一的全台灣49家一家一家的製造廠還有使用廠我們一家一家看等到我們這個完整之後我們再來讓跟委員再討論這個問題可以嗎好所以我現在是看到草案我就是希望凸顯我們現在針對這草案所發現的問題\n\n41\n00:15:08,487 --> 00:15:08,627\n好,謝謝委員。\n\n42\n00:15:38,086 --> 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非常非常的期待因為沿海的醫療資源非常匱乏\n這一部分也要先跟院長報告希望藉由這一次的機會希望我們院長跟部長針對我們桃園南區尤其沿海這醫療匱乏資源的問題那希望能夠多幫我們爭取這醫療資源那針對部桃新屋分院這部分部長我們現在這個進度到底到哪裡從108年說已經開始完成已經開始進行那現在到底進行到哪裡\n請部長報告進的進度好謝謝委員那也感謝我們在前幾個禮拜去考察的時候委員也特別親自來一起來關心我們新屋這邊尤其是海邊這邊的醫療資源的一個興建那因為我們桃園醫院其實在\n本來就有送一些一直在修改一些計畫然後這中間剛好承攬的廠商那個建築師在112年11月26日生故所以我們變成說重新再依照工程會的一個函我們再重新來函付在113年7月2日函付重新辦理規劃招標作業\n阿依依依依依三年齡6月12號結標阿現在現在正在演繹計畫書我想依據連\n現在正在研擬計劃書嗎?將計劃書送給本部審查通過我們會提報行政院來審核。其實這個問題那時候我們跟部長也去考察啦相信部長對這部分的了解那今天藉由總諮詢提出就是希望我們卓院長能夠多幫忙因為我們希望我們政策是有延續性的從108年蔡總統就宣布\n這擴建案已經核准已經進行到現在已經四五年的時間其實據我們了解還是只有取得土地中間剛剛部長講了那麼多其實最後還是打回原形還是只有取得土地所以我希望藉由今天提出我們卓院長為我們桃園南區這沿海醫療資源當然部桃新屋分園是一個指標性希望我們卓院長\n跟邱部長針對我們部桃西部分院的擴建就是主要就是為我們沿海醫療資源匱乏的問題能夠盡量幫我們提升希望今年8月的時候這個部桃能夠提出他的這個計畫出來會提到衛福部我就請衛福部能夠審慎的審查希望院長部長為我們這沿海醫療資源多幫我們來爭取是好那接下來這部分可能要請我們環境部的彭部長\n那邱部長可以先請休息。\n好,彭副長,針對上個月底我們環境部我們看提出了一個新的草案就是要把我們空污排放標準加鹽管制還有加強料源管理並比照國際ISO還有SRF營運體檢輔導團等等好,這一些我們環境部針對SRF管理的修法三大草案跟大致的方向你看一下這個\n這個是我們提出三大草案的三大方向吧。對,謝謝。好,那針對這一部分呢,其實部長也知道,其實現在SRF其實為什麼會大家這麼注意,就是因為我們桃園有三家SRF這垃圾發電廠的進駐。我想請問一下,民眾都說SRF根本就是垃圾焚化爐發電廠。這一部分部長你對這有什麼看法?\n報告委員,SRF它是一種再生能源但是它不等於綠電也不等於綠能所以這是非常清楚的那過去呢其實桃園有非常多家的SRF的製造廠它其實我真的去看過上年後第二個禮拜就去看了\n也看出這個問題所以我們才很快的就有一個輔導團成立那我們也預先設置一個草案也報告委員因為這個問題還蠻大的所以我很勇於的接受這個挑戰我們9月份整個全台灣49家還有49家製造商還有17家的使用SRF的工廠我們全部會有一個體檢報告我們會把這種指引提升為管理辦法\n好其實這部分在委員會的時候我也跟部長有提出過質詢那其實我們對彭部長的期望也很高也看我們彭部長在接受媒體訪問的時候在6月6號的時候你也有講\n從幫助檢探的角度SRF不應該被污名化所以我們也同意希望SRF這個標準能夠提高所以對部長我們也有很高的期望而且說實在據我們了解我那時候也知道原來我們部長也是觀音出身也算是我們觀音人我希望部長有空來觀音走一走因為觀音的鄉親對這個空窩真的是忍無可忍我們希望部長有空來觀音走走SRF不要來\n沒問題其實報告委員其實桃園的問題因為他現在已經進入他的整個桃科已經有環評通過了所以基本上他的這個管理還是在桃園市政府因為他的一個總量管制所以這個還是要桃園市政府來決定啦那我們目前處理的是49家生產製造的包含很多在桃園那還有這個在使用的那未來如果他們開始營運我們一樣的標準會同樣的列管\n好部長那我們先來討論一下就是我們新三法草案跟現行規範的比較齁我們看一下我們重金屬空氣污染物鉛、鋼、鎘這排放的標準這是我們新草案的排放標準嘛對不對沒錯對好這是新草案排放標準那看一下我們現在現行的現行草案的標準來比較看一下部長你看一下這個好像兩個標準是一模一樣\n這個是我們其實還有別的標準,包含戴奧辛,我們是完全是比照歐盟的標準。那戴奧辛我們在討論。所以看起來千鞏葛三個重金屬,其實我們查過就是照搬廢棄物、焚化爐、空氣污染物的排放標準,其實是一模一樣。\n好那接下來我們來看因為部長剛剛有講還有代號心的部分好我們來看一下我們下一個我們代號心我們代號心的部分我們也來看齁其實跟剛剛是一樣齁也是直接磨用中巧型廢棄物氛化毒代號心管制及排放標準部長你有沒有發現其實也是一樣\n對其實這個因為我們目前使用的這個很多的鍋爐工廠並沒有這麼嚴格的標準所以我們全面提升到至少焚化爐的標準照歐盟所以其實剛剛前面我聽部長講其實部長對SRF如果講稱為垃圾焚化爐部長應該也不是很認同\n對,其實他如果有些是白料,像我在桃園看到有的是白料的,認真的,那就是OK,但是有些真的是垃圾去壓的,那就有問題。可是我們看一下我們從重金屬,三項重金屬的排放標準,鉛、鋼、鎘,還有我們剛剛講,你說代耀鋅,代耀鋅的排放標準也是比照垃圾焚化毒,所以他這個\n所以我的意思是說\n這SRF你就是拿垃圾焚化爐的標準來做啊所以我們說SRF就是垃圾焚化爐目前看起來就是啊沒有錯啊就是至少以這個標準但是過去是完全沒有特別的標準過去是更鬆的\n我希望部長我們針對SRF那時候你接受訪問你說要更嚴格說實在我們看到我們新修的草案根本就是搬舊的來使用也就是跟現行的規範是一模一樣那所以我們也看過\n有好幾家其實SRF的電廠他訂的標準都比我們環境部訂的標準還嚴格所以我覺得部長處針對這部分我們要好好針對這個草案再來研議一下好謝謝委員這個是草案那還有討論的空間那主要我們等9月我們的那個體檢報告完整出來之後也歡迎委員逐一的來檢視\n所以我就是希望就是草案希望提醒部長這個草案跟之前是一模一樣所以完全沒有改啊所以居然是草案希望在還能改還能加嚴的時候請部長喔這部分一定要注意我怕你沒有注意到你看這兩樣重金屬跟我們\n﹗大躍興﹗最主要大躍興跟重金屬這兩樣根本就是搬舊法完全來照抄使用。然後針對我們貴部3月份修正的事業廢棄物清理計畫審查第7次的修正版我們看作為SRF原料的廢棄物當中有啦這一部分有進步了刪除了污泥類\n但是我要跟部長報告喔,最主要的部分我們的塑膠、橡膠也就是會產生四季之毒的黛奧辛完全還是在裡面。那針對我們大家最擔心空污最影響最嚴重的黛奧辛我們看到還是沒有改善啊。\n報告委員其實如果說他的鍋爐的溫度夠高他戴奧星的這個問題就可以解決所以其實我們還是要嚴格逐一的看每一個鍋爐他的溫度還有他使用的料材有多少所以基本上我們是基本上先用這個焚化爐的標準來處理這個SRF的使用場但是未來我覺得我們在等到9月份體檢報告出來了之後如果我們發現還是有混料還是產生的話會明顯的加嚴\n部長你講的溫度就是熱值嘛對不對?好那我們來看下一步齁我們針對我們現在新草案有關SRF的規範齁我請問一下我們是根據國際哪個標準來訂定的?歐盟\n我們部長請你看一下你剛剛有講\n那我們就是相同的進熱值就是大於等於2392我們來做比較你看國際的標準綠的含量小於1.5、拱的含量小於0.1但是我們新草案SRF2其實這就是我們一般現在的標準綠含量是大於等於3、拱的含量是大於等於0.15\n所以我們一直講說要訂立嚴格的標準你看以我們相同的熱值而且你以國際相同的標準ISO21640你看我們的標準還是寬鬆非常非常多阿\n報告委員這個只是草案我們還有討論的時間因為它只是一個預告期那我們也會遵照委員的建議我們如果9月出來的時候我們也會把這個意見把它採納進來對啊所以所以我就說因為是草案所以我一定要現在講你等到標準定定的時候我怕為時已晚還有我們針對我們針對我們SRF其實我看我們比較有改變的地方就是\n﹏﹏\n目前我們沒有一個SRF的發電廠能夠達到SRF1所以我們這樣子的設計我們會要求使用較低階SRF2限期改善成為SRF1嗎?不然為什麼訂定兩套標準?\n報告委員這個其實等到9月我們那個體檢報告因為現在我們逐一的全台灣49家一家一家的製造廠還有使用廠我們一家一家看等到我們這個完整之後我們再來讓跟委員再討論這個問題可以嗎好所以我現在是看到草案我就是希望凸顯我們現在針對這草案所發現的問題\n好,謝謝委員。\n好,謝謝涂委員,謝謝卓院長。發言會本會期本院委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.128 --> 00:18.353\n好,謝謝主席。請我們院長還有我們的邱部長。請卓院長還有邱部長備詢。委員好。好,謝謝我們卓院長還有我們邱部長。那剛好利用今天這種諮詢的機會,想請教一下有關我們\n\n00:38.240 --> 01:01.975\n布陶新屋分院擴建案的進度那這一部分先跟院長還有部長讓你們先了解一下這個我們時間軸那我們在108年12月3號的時候我們當時我們蔡英文總統到布陶新屋分院的時候就有講新屋分院擴建案已經核准馬上就要進行\n\n01:20.598 --> 01:44.397\n知道衛福部次長當時的石崇良次長也說自己的意願責無旁貸那緊接著後來我們的現在的總統我們的賴清德總統那時候在112年4月13號也是當時總統提名的第二天他也到我們部桃新屋分院他也非常關心我們偏鄉醫療\n\n01:45.738 --> 01:56.871\n也說關懷道院復健的長者將持續給予部桃新屋分院更多的協助,新建第二醫療大樓,提供新屋關於沿海居民更多醫療的服務。\n\n02:00.635 --> 02:15.994\n去到我們部桃新屋分院的時候那時候具體大選大概30幾天那後來我們賴靖德總統是在總統提名後第二天也到部桃新屋分院那我們也非常非常的期待因為沿海的醫療資源非常匱乏\n\n02:16.754 --> 02:43.915\n這一部分也要先跟院長報告希望藉由這一次的機會希望我們院長跟部長針對我們桃園南區尤其沿海這醫療匱乏資源的問題那希望能夠多幫我們爭取這醫療資源那針對部桃新屋分院這部分部長我們現在這個進度到底到哪裡從108年說已經開始完成已經開始進行那現在到底進行到哪裡\n\n02:44.964 --> 03:01.991\n請部長報告進的進度好謝謝委員那也感謝我們在前幾個禮拜去考察的時候委員也特別親自來一起來關心我們新屋這邊尤其是海邊這邊的醫療資源的一個興建那因為我們桃園醫院其實在\n\n03:10.592 --> 03:34.484\n本來就有送一些一直在修改一些計畫然後這中間剛好承攬的廠商那個建築師在112年11月26日生故所以我們變成說重新再依照工程會的一個函我們再重新來函付在113年7月2日函付重新辦理規劃招標作業\n\n03:36.516 --> 03:41.300\n阿依依依依依三年齡6月12號結標阿現在現在正在演繹計畫書我想依據連\n\n03:48.374 --> 04:11.579\n現在正在研擬計劃書嗎?將計劃書送給本部審查通過我們會提報行政院來審核。其實這個問題那時候我們跟部長也去考察啦相信部長對這部分的了解那今天藉由總諮詢提出就是希望我們卓院長能夠多幫忙因為我們希望我們政策是有延續性的從108年蔡總統就宣布\n\n04:14.980 --> 04:39.785\n這擴建案已經核准已經進行到現在已經四五年的時間其實據我們了解還是只有取得土地中間剛剛部長講了那麼多其實最後還是打回原形還是只有取得土地所以我希望藉由今天提出我們卓院長為我們桃園南區這沿海醫療資源當然部桃新屋分園是一個指標性希望我們卓院長\n\n04:40.385 --> 05:07.802\n跟邱部長針對我們部桃西部分院的擴建就是主要就是為我們沿海醫療資源匱乏的問題能夠盡量幫我們提升希望今年8月的時候這個部桃能夠提出他的這個計畫出來會提到衛福部我就請衛福部能夠審慎的審查希望院長部長為我們這沿海醫療資源多幫我們來爭取是好那接下來這部分可能要請我們環境部的彭部長\n\n05:09.329 --> 05:11.155\n那邱部長可以先請休息。\n\n05:17.233 --> 05:43.280\n好,彭副長,針對上個月底我們環境部我們看提出了一個新的草案就是要把我們空污排放標準加鹽管制還有加強料源管理並比照國際ISO還有SRF營運體檢輔導團等等好,這一些我們環境部針對SRF管理的修法三大草案跟大致的方向你看一下這個\n\n05:44.720 --> 06:09.746\n這個是我們提出三大草案的三大方向吧。對,謝謝。好,那針對這一部分呢,其實部長也知道,其實現在SRF其實為什麼會大家這麼注意,就是因為我們桃園有三家SRF這垃圾發電廠的進駐。我想請問一下,民眾都說SRF根本就是垃圾焚化爐發電廠。這一部分部長你對這有什麼看法?\n\n06:10.246 --> 06:24.805\n報告委員,SRF它是一種再生能源但是它不等於綠電也不等於綠能所以這是非常清楚的那過去呢其實桃園有非常多家的SRF的製造廠它其實我真的去看過上年後第二個禮拜就去看了\n\n06:25.185 --> 06:48.664\n也看出這個問題所以我們才很快的就有一個輔導團成立那我們也預先設置一個草案也報告委員因為這個問題還蠻大的所以我很勇於的接受這個挑戰我們9月份整個全台灣49家還有49家製造商還有17家的使用SRF的工廠我們全部會有一個體檢報告我們會把這種指引提升為管理辦法\n\n06:49.502 --> 07:03.869\n好其實這部分在委員會的時候我也跟部長有提出過質詢那其實我們對彭部長的期望也很高也看我們彭部長在接受媒體訪問的時候在6月6號的時候你也有講\n\n07:05.690 --> 07:34.128\n從幫助檢探的角度SRF不應該被污名化所以我們也同意希望SRF這個標準能夠提高所以對部長我們也有很高的期望而且說實在據我們了解我那時候也知道原來我們部長也是觀音出身也算是我們觀音人我希望部長有空來觀音走一走因為觀音的鄉親對這個空窩真的是忍無可忍我們希望部長有空來觀音走走SRF不要來\n\n07:34.728 --> 07:58.981\n沒問題其實報告委員其實桃園的問題因為他現在已經進入他的整個桃科已經有環評通過了所以基本上他的這個管理還是在桃園市政府因為他的一個總量管制所以這個還是要桃園市政府來決定啦那我們目前處理的是49家生產製造的包含很多在桃園那還有這個在使用的那未來如果他們開始營運我們一樣的標準會同樣的列管\n\n07:59.332 --> 08:28.180\n好部長那我們先來討論一下就是我們新三法草案跟現行規範的比較齁我們看一下我們重金屬空氣污染物鉛、鋼、鎘這排放的標準這是我們新草案的排放標準嘛對不對沒錯對好這是新草案排放標準那看一下我們現在現行的現行草案的標準來比較看一下部長你看一下這個好像兩個標準是一模一樣\n\n08:29.638 --> 08:46.406\n這個是我們其實還有別的標準,包含戴奧辛,我們是完全是比照歐盟的標準。那戴奧辛我們在討論。所以看起來千鞏葛三個重金屬,其實我們查過就是照搬廢棄物、焚化爐、空氣污染物的排放標準,其實是一模一樣。\n\n08:47.466 --> 09:07.677\n好那接下來我們來看因為部長剛剛有講還有代號心的部分好我們來看一下我們下一個我們代號心我們代號心的部分我們也來看齁其實跟剛剛是一樣齁也是直接磨用中巧型廢棄物氛化毒代號心管制及排放標準部長你有沒有發現其實也是一樣\n\n09:08.538 --> 09:22.475\n對其實這個因為我們目前使用的這個很多的鍋爐工廠並沒有這麼嚴格的標準所以我們全面提升到至少焚化爐的標準照歐盟所以其實剛剛前面我聽部長講其實部長對SRF如果講稱為垃圾焚化爐部長應該也不是很認同\n\n09:27.881 --> 09:48.273\n對,其實他如果有些是白料,像我在桃園看到有的是白料的,認真的,那就是OK,但是有些真的是垃圾去壓的,那就有問題。可是我們看一下我們從重金屬,三項重金屬的排放標準,鉛、鋼、鎘,還有我們剛剛講,你說代耀鋅,代耀鋅的排放標準也是比照垃圾焚化毒,所以他這個\n\n09:49.133 --> 09:50.234\n所以我的意思是說\n\n10:14.514 --> 10:29.311\n這SRF你就是拿垃圾焚化爐的標準來做啊所以我們說SRF就是垃圾焚化爐目前看起來就是啊沒有錯啊就是至少以這個標準但是過去是完全沒有特別的標準過去是更鬆的\n\n10:29.551 --> 10:44.137\n我希望部長我們針對SRF那時候你接受訪問你說要更嚴格說實在我們看到我們新修的草案根本就是搬舊的來使用也就是跟現行的規範是一模一樣那所以我們也看過\n\n10:45.197 --> 11:06.637\n有好幾家其實SRF的電廠他訂的標準都比我們環境部訂的標準還嚴格所以我覺得部長處針對這部分我們要好好針對這個草案再來研議一下好謝謝委員這個是草案那還有討論的空間那主要我們等9月我們的那個體檢報告完整出來之後也歡迎委員逐一的來檢視\n\n11:07.458 --> 11:24.879\n所以我就是希望就是草案希望提醒部長這個草案跟之前是一模一樣所以完全沒有改啊所以居然是草案希望在還能改還能加嚴的時候請部長喔這部分一定要注意我怕你沒有注意到你看這兩樣重金屬跟我們\n\n11:25.740 --> 11:46.592\n﹗大躍興﹗最主要大躍興跟重金屬這兩樣根本就是搬舊法完全來照抄使用。然後針對我們貴部3月份修正的事業廢棄物清理計畫審查第7次的修正版我們看作為SRF原料的廢棄物當中有啦這一部分有進步了刪除了污泥類\n\n11:47.392 --> 12:06.682\n但是我要跟部長報告喔,最主要的部分我們的塑膠、橡膠也就是會產生四季之毒的黛奧辛完全還是在裡面。那針對我們大家最擔心空污最影響最嚴重的黛奧辛我們看到還是沒有改善啊。\n\n12:07.868 --> 12:35.158\n報告委員其實如果說他的鍋爐的溫度夠高他戴奧星的這個問題就可以解決所以其實我們還是要嚴格逐一的看每一個鍋爐他的溫度還有他使用的料材有多少所以基本上我們是基本上先用這個焚化爐的標準來處理這個SRF的使用場但是未來我覺得我們在等到9月份體檢報告出來了之後如果我們發現還是有混料還是產生的話會明顯的加嚴\n\n12:35.738 --> 12:45.427\n部長你講的溫度就是熱值嘛對不對?好那我們來看下一步齁我們針對我們現在新草案有關SRF的規範齁我請問一下我們是根據國際哪個標準來訂定的?歐盟\n\n12:48.922 --> 12:50.223\n我們部長請你看一下你剛剛有講\n\n13:08.699 --> 13:31.148\n那我們就是相同的進熱值就是大於等於2392我們來做比較你看國際的標準綠的含量小於1.5、拱的含量小於0.1但是我們新草案SRF2其實這就是我們一般現在的標準綠含量是大於等於3、拱的含量是大於等於0.15\n\n13:32.529 --> 13:45.169\n所以我們一直講說要訂立嚴格的標準你看以我們相同的熱值而且你以國際相同的標準ISO21640你看我們的標準還是寬鬆非常非常多阿\n\n13:45.869 --> 14:09.604\n報告委員這個只是草案我們還有討論的時間因為它只是一個預告期那我們也會遵照委員的建議我們如果9月出來的時候我們也會把這個意見把它採納進來對啊所以所以我就說因為是草案所以我一定要現在講你等到標準定定的時候我怕為時已晚還有我們針對我們針對我們SRF其實我看我們比較有改變的地方就是\n\n14:30.615 --> 14:45.996\n目前我們沒有一個SRF的發電廠能夠達到SRF1所以我們這樣子的設計我們會要求使用較低階SRF2限期改善成為SRF1嗎?不然為什麼訂定兩套標準?\n\n14:46.701 --> 15:04.906\n報告委員這個其實等到9月我們那個體檢報告因為現在我們逐一的全台灣49家一家一家的製造廠還有使用廠我們一家一家看等到我們這個完整之後我們再來讓跟委員再討論這個問題可以嗎好所以我現在是看到草案我就是希望凸顯我們現在針對這草案所發現的問題\n\n15:08.487 --> 15:08.627\n好,謝謝委員。\n\n15:38.086 --> 15:44.097\n好,謝謝涂委員,謝謝卓院長。發言會本會期本院委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":12.128,"end":18.353,"text":"好,謝謝主席。請我們院長還有我們的邱部長。請卓院長還有邱部長備詢。委員好。好,謝謝我們卓院長還有我們邱部長。那剛好利用今天這種諮詢的機會,想請教一下有關我們"},{"start":38.24,"end":61.975,"text":"布陶新屋分院擴建案的進度那這一部分先跟院長還有部長讓你們先了解一下這個我們時間軸那我們在108年12月3號的時候我們當時我們蔡英文總統到布陶新屋分院的時候就有講新屋分院擴建案已經核准馬上就要進行"},{"start":62.295,"end":80.538,"text":"﹗﹗"},{"start":80.598,"end":104.397,"text":"知道衛福部次長當時的石崇良次長也說自己的意願責無旁貸那緊接著後來我們的現在的總統我們的賴清德總統那時候在112年4月13號也是當時總統提名的第二天他也到我們部桃新屋分院他也非常關心我們偏鄉醫療"},{"start":105.738,"end":116.871,"text":"也說關懷道院復健的長者將持續給予部桃新屋分院更多的協助,新建第二醫療大樓,提供新屋關於沿海居民更多醫療的服務。"},{"start":120.635,"end":135.994,"text":"去到我們部桃新屋分院的時候那時候具體大選大概30幾天那後來我們賴靖德總統是在總統提名後第二天也到部桃新屋分院那我們也非常非常的期待因為沿海的醫療資源非常匱乏"},{"start":136.754,"end":163.915,"text":"這一部分也要先跟院長報告希望藉由這一次的機會希望我們院長跟部長針對我們桃園南區尤其沿海這醫療匱乏資源的問題那希望能夠多幫我們爭取這醫療資源那針對部桃新屋分院這部分部長我們現在這個進度到底到哪裡從108年說已經開始完成已經開始進行那現在到底進行到哪裡"},{"start":164.964,"end":181.991,"text":"請部長報告進的進度好謝謝委員那也感謝我們在前幾個禮拜去考察的時候委員也特別親自來一起來關心我們新屋這邊尤其是海邊這邊的醫療資源的一個興建那因為我們桃園醫院其實在"},{"start":190.592,"end":214.484,"text":"本來就有送一些一直在修改一些計畫然後這中間剛好承攬的廠商那個建築師在112年11月26日生故所以我們變成說重新再依照工程會的一個函我們再重新來函付在113年7月2日函付重新辦理規劃招標作業"},{"start":216.516,"end":221.3,"text":"阿依依依依依三年齡6月12號結標阿現在現在正在演繹計畫書我想依據連"},{"start":228.374,"end":251.579,"text":"現在正在研擬計劃書嗎?將計劃書送給本部審查通過我們會提報行政院來審核。其實這個問題那時候我們跟部長也去考察啦相信部長對這部分的了解那今天藉由總諮詢提出就是希望我們卓院長能夠多幫忙因為我們希望我們政策是有延續性的從108年蔡總統就宣布"},{"start":254.98,"end":279.785,"text":"這擴建案已經核准已經進行到現在已經四五年的時間其實據我們了解還是只有取得土地中間剛剛部長講了那麼多其實最後還是打回原形還是只有取得土地所以我希望藉由今天提出我們卓院長為我們桃園南區這沿海醫療資源當然部桃新屋分園是一個指標性希望我們卓院長"},{"start":280.385,"end":307.802,"text":"跟邱部長針對我們部桃西部分院的擴建就是主要就是為我們沿海醫療資源匱乏的問題能夠盡量幫我們提升希望今年8月的時候這個部桃能夠提出他的這個計畫出來會提到衛福部我就請衛福部能夠審慎的審查希望院長部長為我們這沿海醫療資源多幫我們來爭取是好那接下來這部分可能要請我們環境部的彭部長"},{"start":309.329,"end":311.155,"text":"那邱部長可以先請休息。"},{"start":317.233,"end":343.28,"text":"好,彭副長,針對上個月底我們環境部我們看提出了一個新的草案就是要把我們空污排放標準加鹽管制還有加強料源管理並比照國際ISO還有SRF營運體檢輔導團等等好,這一些我們環境部針對SRF管理的修法三大草案跟大致的方向你看一下這個"},{"start":344.72,"end":369.746,"text":"這個是我們提出三大草案的三大方向吧。對,謝謝。好,那針對這一部分呢,其實部長也知道,其實現在SRF其實為什麼會大家這麼注意,就是因為我們桃園有三家SRF這垃圾發電廠的進駐。我想請問一下,民眾都說SRF根本就是垃圾焚化爐發電廠。這一部分部長你對這有什麼看法?"},{"start":370.246,"end":384.805,"text":"報告委員,SRF它是一種再生能源但是它不等於綠電也不等於綠能所以這是非常清楚的那過去呢其實桃園有非常多家的SRF的製造廠它其實我真的去看過上年後第二個禮拜就去看了"},{"start":385.185,"end":408.664,"text":"也看出這個問題所以我們才很快的就有一個輔導團成立那我們也預先設置一個草案也報告委員因為這個問題還蠻大的所以我很勇於的接受這個挑戰我們9月份整個全台灣49家還有49家製造商還有17家的使用SRF的工廠我們全部會有一個體檢報告我們會把這種指引提升為管理辦法"},{"start":409.502,"end":423.869,"text":"好其實這部分在委員會的時候我也跟部長有提出過質詢那其實我們對彭部長的期望也很高也看我們彭部長在接受媒體訪問的時候在6月6號的時候你也有講"},{"start":425.69,"end":454.128,"text":"從幫助檢探的角度SRF不應該被污名化所以我們也同意希望SRF這個標準能夠提高所以對部長我們也有很高的期望而且說實在據我們了解我那時候也知道原來我們部長也是觀音出身也算是我們觀音人我希望部長有空來觀音走一走因為觀音的鄉親對這個空窩真的是忍無可忍我們希望部長有空來觀音走走SRF不要來"},{"start":454.728,"end":478.981,"text":"沒問題其實報告委員其實桃園的問題因為他現在已經進入他的整個桃科已經有環評通過了所以基本上他的這個管理還是在桃園市政府因為他的一個總量管制所以這個還是要桃園市政府來決定啦那我們目前處理的是49家生產製造的包含很多在桃園那還有這個在使用的那未來如果他們開始營運我們一樣的標準會同樣的列管"},{"start":479.332,"end":508.18,"text":"好部長那我們先來討論一下就是我們新三法草案跟現行規範的比較齁我們看一下我們重金屬空氣污染物鉛、鋼、鎘這排放的標準這是我們新草案的排放標準嘛對不對沒錯對好這是新草案排放標準那看一下我們現在現行的現行草案的標準來比較看一下部長你看一下這個好像兩個標準是一模一樣"},{"start":509.638,"end":526.406,"text":"這個是我們其實還有別的標準,包含戴奧辛,我們是完全是比照歐盟的標準。那戴奧辛我們在討論。所以看起來千鞏葛三個重金屬,其實我們查過就是照搬廢棄物、焚化爐、空氣污染物的排放標準,其實是一模一樣。"},{"start":527.466,"end":547.677,"text":"好那接下來我們來看因為部長剛剛有講還有代號心的部分好我們來看一下我們下一個我們代號心我們代號心的部分我們也來看齁其實跟剛剛是一樣齁也是直接磨用中巧型廢棄物氛化毒代號心管制及排放標準部長你有沒有發現其實也是一樣"},{"start":548.538,"end":562.475,"text":"對其實這個因為我們目前使用的這個很多的鍋爐工廠並沒有這麼嚴格的標準所以我們全面提升到至少焚化爐的標準照歐盟所以其實剛剛前面我聽部長講其實部長對SRF如果講稱為垃圾焚化爐部長應該也不是很認同"},{"start":567.881,"end":588.273,"text":"對,其實他如果有些是白料,像我在桃園看到有的是白料的,認真的,那就是OK,但是有些真的是垃圾去壓的,那就有問題。可是我們看一下我們從重金屬,三項重金屬的排放標準,鉛、鋼、鎘,還有我們剛剛講,你說代耀鋅,代耀鋅的排放標準也是比照垃圾焚化毒,所以他這個"},{"start":589.133,"end":590.234,"text":"所以我的意思是說"},{"start":614.514,"end":629.311,"text":"這SRF你就是拿垃圾焚化爐的標準來做啊所以我們說SRF就是垃圾焚化爐目前看起來就是啊沒有錯啊就是至少以這個標準但是過去是完全沒有特別的標準過去是更鬆的"},{"start":629.551,"end":644.137,"text":"我希望部長我們針對SRF那時候你接受訪問你說要更嚴格說實在我們看到我們新修的草案根本就是搬舊的來使用也就是跟現行的規範是一模一樣那所以我們也看過"},{"start":645.197,"end":666.637,"text":"有好幾家其實SRF的電廠他訂的標準都比我們環境部訂的標準還嚴格所以我覺得部長處針對這部分我們要好好針對這個草案再來研議一下好謝謝委員這個是草案那還有討論的空間那主要我們等9月我們的那個體檢報告完整出來之後也歡迎委員逐一的來檢視"},{"start":667.458,"end":684.879,"text":"所以我就是希望就是草案希望提醒部長這個草案跟之前是一模一樣所以完全沒有改啊所以居然是草案希望在還能改還能加嚴的時候請部長喔這部分一定要注意我怕你沒有注意到你看這兩樣重金屬跟我們"},{"start":685.74,"end":706.592,"text":"﹗大躍興﹗最主要大躍興跟重金屬這兩樣根本就是搬舊法完全來照抄使用。然後針對我們貴部3月份修正的事業廢棄物清理計畫審查第7次的修正版我們看作為SRF原料的廢棄物當中有啦這一部分有進步了刪除了污泥類"},{"start":707.392,"end":726.682,"text":"但是我要跟部長報告喔,最主要的部分我們的塑膠、橡膠也就是會產生四季之毒的黛奧辛完全還是在裡面。那針對我們大家最擔心空污最影響最嚴重的黛奧辛我們看到還是沒有改善啊。"},{"start":727.868,"end":755.158,"text":"報告委員其實如果說他的鍋爐的溫度夠高他戴奧星的這個問題就可以解決所以其實我們還是要嚴格逐一的看每一個鍋爐他的溫度還有他使用的料材有多少所以基本上我們是基本上先用這個焚化爐的標準來處理這個SRF的使用場但是未來我覺得我們在等到9月份體檢報告出來了之後如果我們發現還是有混料還是產生的話會明顯的加嚴"},{"start":755.738,"end":765.427,"text":"部長你講的溫度就是熱值嘛對不對?好那我們來看下一步齁我們針對我們現在新草案有關SRF的規範齁我請問一下我們是根據國際哪個標準來訂定的?歐盟"},{"start":768.922,"end":770.223,"text":"我們部長請你看一下你剛剛有講"},{"start":788.699,"end":811.148,"text":"那我們就是相同的進熱值就是大於等於2392我們來做比較你看國際的標準綠的含量小於1.5、拱的含量小於0.1但是我們新草案SRF2其實這就是我們一般現在的標準綠含量是大於等於3、拱的含量是大於等於0.15"},{"start":812.529,"end":825.169,"text":"所以我們一直講說要訂立嚴格的標準你看以我們相同的熱值而且你以國際相同的標準ISO21640你看我們的標準還是寬鬆非常非常多阿"},{"start":825.869,"end":849.604,"text":"報告委員這個只是草案我們還有討論的時間因為它只是一個預告期那我們也會遵照委員的建議我們如果9月出來的時候我們也會把這個意見把它採納進來對啊所以所以我就說因為是草案所以我一定要現在講你等到標準定定的時候我怕為時已晚還有我們針對我們針對我們SRF其實我看我們比較有改變的地方就是"},{"start":849.804,"end":870.555,"text":"﹏﹏"},{"start":870.615,"end":885.996,"text":"目前我們沒有一個SRF的發電廠能夠達到SRF1所以我們這樣子的設計我們會要求使用較低階SRF2限期改善成為SRF1嗎?不然為什麼訂定兩套標準?"},{"start":886.701,"end":904.906,"text":"報告委員這個其實等到9月我們那個體檢報告因為現在我們逐一的全台灣49家一家一家的製造廠還有使用廠我們一家一家看等到我們這個完整之後我們再來讓跟委員再討論這個問題可以嗎好所以我現在是看到草案我就是希望凸顯我們現在針對這草案所發現的問題"},{"start":908.487,"end":908.627,"text":"好,謝謝委員。"},{"start":938.086,"end":944.097,"text":"好,謝謝涂委員,謝謝卓院長。發言會本會期本院委員"}]}}}}