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00:03:13,684\n總裁我請教因為卓榮泰院長說考量台灣近年來整個經濟穩定成長再加上政府必須要拼經濟因此明年軍工教薪資的待遇將往合理的方向來調升當然同時也希望民間企業能夠更進加薪總裁主計總數曾估算軍工教\n\n9\n00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:42,871\n每條薪1%差不多要差不多70億左右的預算條薪4%差不多要匡列將近300億左右上下請問總裁對於行政院條薪你有什麼樣的看法我覺得如果說政府第一個經濟成長如果說穩定的成長這是第一個第二個政府的財稅\n\n10\n00:03:45,203 --> 00:03:54,816\n稅收他足夠來應付這個我覺得這兩個如果加起來的話那應該就是合理要加薪因為齁這一段時間講實在話物價通膨那是那當然也就是說社會\n\n11\n00:04:01,805 --> 00:04:07,107\n民間業者有的企業是沒有加薪但是政府當然希望能夠做一個帶動起頭的作用\n\n12\n00:04:20,590 --> 00:04:42,117\n沒有錯那現在已經7月初了卓院長的指示相關部會是不是要啟動明年金工教整個調薪的作業差不多7月底會定案那我請問總裁你認為這次調薪是考慮目前整個物價上漲的弧度所以說做出調薪的比例這樣的一個決策嗎\n\n13\n00:04:43,358 --> 00:04:43,858\n您的看法?\n\n14\n00:05:13,777 --> 00:05:22,501\n總裁因為臺灣消費者物價指數CPI已經連續三年都超過2%對於外界習慣你2%作為通膨警戒線上個禮拜財政組總實行時你說臺灣應該要採取彈性的物價穩定定義比較妥適但是本席一直認為說這個通膨警戒\n\n15\n00:05:37,446 --> 00:05:48,135\n成為變動指數政府跟民間預測機構各說各話那我請問總裁彈性通能警戒線的CPI適合作為調心參考的依據嗎一您看我跟委員報告當然以目前的情況來看因為現在就是說陳柔委員在講就是說我們連續已經是三年都是百分之二\n\n16\n00:06:03,747 --> 00:06:09,371\n所以現在你看看各個國家當前的一個目標就是要把這個通膨\n\n17\n00:06:11,226 --> 00:06:38,091\n就要把它控制在2%甚至這以下那至於我在講的就是說是smallopen就是說我們的小額開放的經濟體呢要比較有彈性這個是屬於比較中長期的當然我現在就是在講在強調的就是說因為我們目前呢是就連續三年都超過2%所以應該目前是以控制在2%目前的工作呢是以控制在2%以下作為\n\n18\n00:06:39,431 --> 00:06:42,913\n總裁,媒體報導目前籌編明年的整個預算在政府財政狀況方面稅收連連超徵\n\n19\n00:07:09,245 --> 00:07:23,355\n今年稅收表現也不錯對於軍工教加薪將是有力來支撐今年二月足跡總署公布2023年薪資統計的一個結果因為去年通膨率達到2.5%創下近15年來次高第二高\n\n20\n00:07:28,559 --> 00:07:48,173\n那物價漲幅吃掉薪水不論是每個人每個月經常性的薪資或總薪資都呈現負成長那我請問總裁你認為明年金工教調薪會不會依舊出現物價漲幅吃掉薪水甚至於薪水負成長的這種情況\n\n21\n00:07:51,216 --> 00:08:16,352\n我跟委員報告就是說軍工教的調薪跟基本工資的調薪它對於物價的影響比較小因為基本工資的調漲會涉及到你的那個就是說我們中小企業這些的商家他把那個價格把工資轉嫁到那個價格去\n\n22\n00:08:17,233 --> 00:08:19,276\n總裁,甚至有學者提出說現況考量明年軍工教條新恐怕陷入\n\n23\n00:08:35,635 --> 00:08:50,828\n新資物價螺旋式的上漲這種惡性的循環發生所謂的通膨螺旋那我請問總裁你認為這樣的機率會不會發生?我想他講的就是說是在一個比較\n\n24\n00:08:51,949 --> 00:08:51,969\n總裁\n\n25\n00:09:13,843 --> 00:09:32,229\n我們希望不會發生的。央行透過指定銀行選定特定範圍的店家和民眾準備在安全可控原則下來進行小規模試點來逐步打造央行數位貨幣CBDC的生態體系那我請問總裁維持傳統貨幣體系雙層式的架構的運作模式你認為對於央行數位貨幣生態體系朝向普及化\n\n26\n00:09:43,533 --> 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