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00:00:59,269\n談論淨零路徑、綠能減碳、綠色與數位轉型、永續力生活、綠色金融及國土永續調適等七大議題。總統府委員會是尚未的氣候治理角色,但是真正執行落實的還是在行政院各部會嗎?所以經濟部是不能不知道的,次長。\n\n5\n00:01:18,414 --> 00:01:36,905\n所以我們提到2023年能源佔比我們綠電佔了9.5%比核電的6.3%還要多可是我們氣候變遷對策委員會的召集人副召集人童子賢說道他說綠能是間歇性能源沒有能力提供穩定的供電經濟部認為綠能有辦法提供穩定的供電嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:40,347 --> 00:01:52,116\n立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員王鴻薇等19人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法\n\n7\n00:02:06,107 --> 00:02:28,661\n我想應該是我們政府會好好去做一個完整的一個規劃我們也希望啦但是現在看起來好像沒有一個好好的規劃好如果按照你們現在所說的說這個我們有辦法來做一個穩定的供電喔我就講本席的選區啦為什麼從4月到現在不斷的在停電一直在停電一直在跳電喔那甚至於進入夏季以後到7月1號2號3號桃園還是連續三天的來跳電現在連醫院玻璃桃園醫院都停電那麼連這個機場都跳電喔\n\n8\n00:02:35,825 --> 00:02:57,172\n你知道嗎?其實玻利桃醫院跳電那一天的狀況那是還好是不是運氣好還沒有出人命這醫院跳電何其嚴重機場跳電何其重大那現在我們口口聲聲左一句不缺電右一句不缺電所以我想在我們台電來台電五月在這個卓院長在視察的時候來桃園視察的時候台電進入狀況內好嗎\n\n9\n00:03:03,737 --> 00:03:11,860\n我們在5月份這個德院長來桃園視察的時候有說會全力穩定桃園地區的供電那今年也投入了8億去改善這個線路跟弱點的一個設備那兩個月過去了現在我們看到到處停電跳電又是小動物出沒\n\n10\n00:03:20,743 --> 00:03:45,630\n哪來那麼多小動物出沒啊?玻璃桃園醫院那一天其實我們大家就非常不能接受了神的保證每一次運氣都這麼好都不會出大事喔所以我想我們發現這個停電跳電一下說是小動物一下又說是這個陷入老舊啊等等啊從來不承認這是這個供電不穩供電不足啊我記得本席在這個5月29號的時候曾經要求經濟部我們在一個月內要由外部的這個專家學者來組成\n\n11\n00:03:47,611 --> 00:04:02,743\n停電跳電原因的調查委員會當時也有承諾說會來組成來針對大規模的停電來做但現在看起來還沒有那我請教一下台電我們現在桃園這樣子平平的一個跳電一個停電是不是其實就是缺電了\n\n12\n00:04:03,977 --> 00:04:31,976\n委員您剛才提到的幾個例子都是在我們備轉容量率非常高的時候發生的事情所以那個跟供電夠不夠是兩件事情那台電一直在說明就是這一些線路的問題其實包含我們知道說桃園市是這幾年來人口成長最多也是用電量成長最快的地方所以我們有很多潰線的負載其實已經是超過原來的設計\n\n13\n00:04:33,677 --> 00:04:53,093\n我希望能夠調整它。您的這些說法,或者這些藉口,其實我們聽過非常多次。老百姓只有一個想法,怎麼樣能夠保持我們穩定的空間,不要再讓我們一直停電,不要讓大家民生不方便,甚至造成很大的影響。這是老百姓唯一的一個要求跟需求。接下來,我請教一下核安會陳主委。來主委。\n\n14\n00:04:57,628 --> 00:05:17,141\n我們今天審查核子反應器的管制條例我們幾位委員提案要來解除核電廠研議至少要五年前申請的限制其實這是為了台灣的能源政策跟我們乾淨的發電我們要多留一個選項留下這個選項所以主委我想請教你今天我們五個這個版本條文如果通過核三廠會自動研議嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:19,244 --> 00:05:39,419\n如果修正通過以後,我們營運者,我們台電是不是還是跟現在一樣?我們是要第一個,如果我們要研議要向核安會來申請,並且經過審查。然後呢,審查完以後確認安全無虞才會發給這個執照,之後才能夠繼續運轉。如果沒有提出申請也無法研議,對不對?\n\n16\n00:05:41,351 --> 00:05:57,638\n是的,好,那所以依照核安會專業的角度來看,來出發,這一次修法通過之後,您認為會不會有核安的疑慮?如果你認為是有,又會是什麼?那個核安的部分,台電必須先去檢視他想要研議的機組。\n\n17\n00:05:58,858 --> 00:06:17,957\n那這個部分他必須寫一個報告,那我們有一些規範,就是整體性的老化評估、老化分析、實現安全分析,那這個東西在我們所有的規範裡面的目錄大概有這麼長。主委,本席只是要問您說,這一次我們如果今天的修法條文通過以後,有沒有會產生核案的疑慮,就這麼簡單?\n\n18\n00:06:19,138 --> 00:06:19,158\n案。\n\n19\n00:06:30,467 --> 00:06:54,718\n主委根據我們這個相關的這個審核的辦法第16條來看如果要繼續運轉目前是要5到15年之前就是5年前要提出申請可是我們看到同辦法第19條我們有規定審查的期限是由主管機關公告之也就是說核安會還是有相當的決定權嘛對不對所以如果說我們修法拿掉了5\n\n20\n00:06:55,418 --> 00:07:10,029\n到15年這個限制的這申請限制那我們怎麼審查或者審查多久那怎麼樣去確保安全這是不是都還是操之在核安委的手上您認為對嗎是的但是一切都是以專業安全的考量\n\n21\n00:07:10,629 --> 00:07:11,050\n核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草\n\n22\n00:07:31,833 --> 00:07:52,715\n據本席了解,核三廠一號機組目前還有438束燃料的儲存空間是足以足夠容納我們現在反應爐內157束燃料移出的需要,也不會像核二廠有滿足的狀況。主委請教您,如果今天修法通過,核三廠的一號機組是不是具有嚴厲的條件跟空間?\n\n23\n00:07:54,082 --> 00:08:19,225\n第一個我們執照是給40年所以到今年7月27他必須依法停機那麼如果通過那台電必須還要準備一個安全的報告我剛才講說研議的報告那麼他要是機組的整個情況那麼做必要的設備的更新那麼我們送到核安會來才會開始審查所以這個需要比較長的時間以上報告\n\n24\n00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:26,229\n所以您還是沒有回答嗎?那如果今天修法通過了以後,核三廠一號機組有沒有研議的條件跟空間?這個目前沒辦法估計啦,這個還是要由台電先來做評估。好,我想主委喔,我們要確保核能安全其實就是核安委的職責啦,沒有核安其實也不會給予執照,也不會到今天我們這個核三廠還在運轉喔。所以我想喔,我們今天這樣的一個修法喔,\n\n25\n00:08:44,497 --> 00:08:44,817\n三、審查委員蘇清泉等26人擬具\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t14114\t登記第一位的萬美玲委員質詢。謝謝。好,謝謝召委。我們有請經濟部聯次長、台電的曾董事長以及河安衛的陳主委。好,請問請三位,謝謝。\n21650\t30719\t委員長好首先我就先就叫我們連次長我想上個月我們賴清泉總統成立了三大任務編組委員會那預計每季都要定期來開會那這個核電廠研議的問題會在國家氣候變遷對策委員會中來討論那這個月底也即將要第一次開會了那請問一下經濟部我們知道這個氣候變遷委員會要討論的題目是哪些嗎\n44617\t48621\t主要是討論有一些能源結構還有核電相關的問題主要討論能源結構還有一些核電相關的問題所以到底要討論的項目你並不知道?\n55548\t59269\t談論淨零路徑、綠能減碳、綠色與數位轉型、永續力生活、綠色金融及國土永續調適等七大議題。總統府委員會是尚未的氣候治理角色,但是真正執行落實的還是在行政院各部會嗎?所以經濟部是不能不知道的,次長。\n78414\t96905\t所以我們提到2023年能源佔比我們綠電佔了9.5%比核電的6.3%還要多可是我們氣候變遷對策委員會的召集人副召集人童子賢說道他說綠能是間歇性能源沒有能力提供穩定的供電經濟部認為綠能有辦法提供穩定的供電嗎?\n100347\t112116\t立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員王鴻薇等19人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法\n126107\t148661\t我想應該是我們政府會好好去做一個完整的一個規劃我們也希望啦但是現在看起來好像沒有一個好好的規劃好如果按照你們現在所說的說這個我們有辦法來做一個穩定的供電喔我就講本席的選區啦為什麼從4月到現在不斷的在停電一直在停電一直在跳電喔那甚至於進入夏季以後到7月1號2號3號桃園還是連續三天的來跳電現在連醫院玻璃桃園醫院都停電那麼連這個機場都跳電喔\n155825\t177172\t你知道嗎?其實玻利桃醫院跳電那一天的狀況那是還好是不是運氣好還沒有出人命這醫院跳電何其嚴重機場跳電何其重大那現在我們口口聲聲左一句不缺電右一句不缺電所以我想在我們台電來台電五月在這個卓院長在視察的時候來桃園視察的時候台電進入狀況內好嗎\n183737\t191860\t我們在5月份這個德院長來桃園視察的時候有說會全力穩定桃園地區的供電那今年也投入了8億去改善這個線路跟弱點的一個設備那兩個月過去了現在我們看到到處停電跳電又是小動物出沒\n200743\t225630\t哪來那麼多小動物出沒啊?玻璃桃園醫院那一天其實我們大家就非常不能接受了神的保證每一次運氣都這麼好都不會出大事喔所以我想我們發現這個停電跳電一下說是小動物一下又說是這個陷入老舊啊等等啊從來不承認這是這個供電不穩供電不足啊我記得本席在這個5月29號的時候曾經要求經濟部我們在一個月內要由外部的這個專家學者來組成\n227611\t242743\t停電跳電原因的調查委員會當時也有承諾說會來組成來針對大規模的停電來做但現在看起來還沒有那我請教一下台電我們現在桃園這樣子平平的一個跳電一個停電是不是其實就是缺電了\n243977\t271976\t委員您剛才提到的幾個例子都是在我們備轉容量率非常高的時候發生的事情所以那個跟供電夠不夠是兩件事情那台電一直在說明就是這一些線路的問題其實包含我們知道說桃園市是這幾年來人口成長最多也是用電量成長最快的地方所以我們有很多潰線的負載其實已經是超過原來的設計\n273677\t293093\t我希望能夠調整它。您的這些說法,或者這些藉口,其實我們聽過非常多次。老百姓只有一個想法,怎麼樣能夠保持我們穩定的空間,不要再讓我們一直停電,不要讓大家民生不方便,甚至造成很大的影響。這是老百姓唯一的一個要求跟需求。接下來,我請教一下核安會陳主委。來主委。\n297628\t317141\t我們今天審查核子反應器的管制條例我們幾位委員提案要來解除核電廠研議至少要五年前申請的限制其實這是為了台灣的能源政策跟我們乾淨的發電我們要多留一個選項留下這個選項所以主委我想請教你今天我們五個這個版本條文如果通過核三廠會自動研議嗎?\n319244\t339419\t如果修正通過以後,我們營運者,我們台電是不是還是跟現在一樣?我們是要第一個,如果我們要研議要向核安會來申請,並且經過審查。然後呢,審查完以後確認安全無虞才會發給這個執照,之後才能夠繼續運轉。如果沒有提出申請也無法研議,對不對?\n341351\t357638\t是的,好,那所以依照核安會專業的角度來看,來出發,這一次修法通過之後,您認為會不會有核安的疑慮?如果你認為是有,又會是什麼?那個核安的部分,台電必須先去檢視他想要研議的機組。\n358858\t377957\t那這個部分他必須寫一個報告,那我們有一些規範,就是整體性的老化評估、老化分析、實現安全分析,那這個東西在我們所有的規範裡面的目錄大概有這麼長。主委,本席只是要問您說,這一次我們如果今天的修法條文通過以後,有沒有會產生核案的疑慮,就這麼簡單?\n379138\t379158\t案。\n390467\t414718\t主委根據我們這個相關的這個審核的辦法第16條來看如果要繼續運轉目前是要5到15年之前就是5年前要提出申請可是我們看到同辦法第19條我們有規定審查的期限是由主管機關公告之也就是說核安會還是有相當的決定權嘛對不對所以如果說我們修法拿掉了5\n415418\t430029\t到15年這個限制的這申請限制那我們怎麼審查或者審查多久那怎麼樣去確保安全這是不是都還是操之在核安委的手上您認為對嗎是的但是一切都是以專業安全的考量\n430629\t431050\t核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草\n451833\t472715\t據本席了解,核三廠一號機組目前還有438束燃料的儲存空間是足以足夠容納我們現在反應爐內157束燃料移出的需要,也不會像核二廠有滿足的狀況。主委請教您,如果今天修法通過,核三廠的一號機組是不是具有嚴厲的條件跟空間?\n474082\t499225\t第一個我們執照是給40年所以到今年7月27他必須依法停機那麼如果通過那台電必須還要準備一個安全的報告我剛才講說研議的報告那麼他要是機組的整個情況那麼做必要的設備的更新那麼我們送到核安會來才會開始審查所以這個需要比較長的時間以上報告\n500166\t506229\t所以您還是沒有回答嗎?那如果今天修法通過了以後,核三廠一號機組有沒有研議的條件跟空間?這個目前沒辦法估計啦,這個還是要由台電先來做評估。好,我想主委喔,我們要確保核能安全其實就是核安委的職責啦,沒有核安其實也不會給予執照,也不會到今天我們這個核三廠還在運轉喔。所以我想喔,我們今天這樣的一個修法喔,\n524497\t524817\t三、審查委員蘇清泉等26人擬具\n","txt":"登記第一位的萬美玲委員質詢。謝謝。好,謝謝召委。我們有請經濟部聯次長、台電的曾董事長以及河安衛的陳主委。好,請問請三位,謝謝。\n委員長好首先我就先就叫我們連次長我想上個月我們賴清泉總統成立了三大任務編組委員會那預計每季都要定期來開會那這個核電廠研議的問題會在國家氣候變遷對策委員會中來討論那這個月底也即將要第一次開會了那請問一下經濟部我們知道這個氣候變遷委員會要討論的題目是哪些嗎\n主要是討論有一些能源結構還有核電相關的問題主要討論能源結構還有一些核電相關的問題所以到底要討論的項目你並不知道?\n談論淨零路徑、綠能減碳、綠色與數位轉型、永續力生活、綠色金融及國土永續調適等七大議題。總統府委員會是尚未的氣候治理角色,但是真正執行落實的還是在行政院各部會嗎?所以經濟部是不能不知道的,次長。\n所以我們提到2023年能源佔比我們綠電佔了9.5%比核電的6.3%還要多可是我們氣候變遷對策委員會的召集人副召集人童子賢說道他說綠能是間歇性能源沒有能力提供穩定的供電經濟部認為綠能有辦法提供穩定的供電嗎?\n立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員王鴻薇等19人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法\n我想應該是我們政府會好好去做一個完整的一個規劃我們也希望啦但是現在看起來好像沒有一個好好的規劃好如果按照你們現在所說的說這個我們有辦法來做一個穩定的供電喔我就講本席的選區啦為什麼從4月到現在不斷的在停電一直在停電一直在跳電喔那甚至於進入夏季以後到7月1號2號3號桃園還是連續三天的來跳電現在連醫院玻璃桃園醫院都停電那麼連這個機場都跳電喔\n你知道嗎?其實玻利桃醫院跳電那一天的狀況那是還好是不是運氣好還沒有出人命這醫院跳電何其嚴重機場跳電何其重大那現在我們口口聲聲左一句不缺電右一句不缺電所以我想在我們台電來台電五月在這個卓院長在視察的時候來桃園視察的時候台電進入狀況內好嗎\n我們在5月份這個德院長來桃園視察的時候有說會全力穩定桃園地區的供電那今年也投入了8億去改善這個線路跟弱點的一個設備那兩個月過去了現在我們看到到處停電跳電又是小動物出沒\n哪來那麼多小動物出沒啊?玻璃桃園醫院那一天其實我們大家就非常不能接受了神的保證每一次運氣都這麼好都不會出大事喔所以我想我們發現這個停電跳電一下說是小動物一下又說是這個陷入老舊啊等等啊從來不承認這是這個供電不穩供電不足啊我記得本席在這個5月29號的時候曾經要求經濟部我們在一個月內要由外部的這個專家學者來組成\n停電跳電原因的調查委員會當時也有承諾說會來組成來針對大規模的停電來做但現在看起來還沒有那我請教一下台電我們現在桃園這樣子平平的一個跳電一個停電是不是其實就是缺電了\n委員您剛才提到的幾個例子都是在我們備轉容量率非常高的時候發生的事情所以那個跟供電夠不夠是兩件事情那台電一直在說明就是這一些線路的問題其實包含我們知道說桃園市是這幾年來人口成長最多也是用電量成長最快的地方所以我們有很多潰線的負載其實已經是超過原來的設計\n我希望能夠調整它。您的這些說法,或者這些藉口,其實我們聽過非常多次。老百姓只有一個想法,怎麼樣能夠保持我們穩定的空間,不要再讓我們一直停電,不要讓大家民生不方便,甚至造成很大的影響。這是老百姓唯一的一個要求跟需求。接下來,我請教一下核安會陳主委。來主委。\n我們今天審查核子反應器的管制條例我們幾位委員提案要來解除核電廠研議至少要五年前申請的限制其實這是為了台灣的能源政策跟我們乾淨的發電我們要多留一個選項留下這個選項所以主委我想請教你今天我們五個這個版本條文如果通過核三廠會自動研議嗎?\n如果修正通過以後,我們營運者,我們台電是不是還是跟現在一樣?我們是要第一個,如果我們要研議要向核安會來申請,並且經過審查。然後呢,審查完以後確認安全無虞才會發給這個執照,之後才能夠繼續運轉。如果沒有提出申請也無法研議,對不對?\n是的,好,那所以依照核安會專業的角度來看,來出發,這一次修法通過之後,您認為會不會有核安的疑慮?如果你認為是有,又會是什麼?那個核安的部分,台電必須先去檢視他想要研議的機組。\n那這個部分他必須寫一個報告,那我們有一些規範,就是整體性的老化評估、老化分析、實現安全分析,那這個東西在我們所有的規範裡面的目錄大概有這麼長。主委,本席只是要問您說,這一次我們如果今天的修法條文通過以後,有沒有會產生核案的疑慮,就這麼簡單?\n案。\n主委根據我們這個相關的這個審核的辦法第16條來看如果要繼續運轉目前是要5到15年之前就是5年前要提出申請可是我們看到同辦法第19條我們有規定審查的期限是由主管機關公告之也就是說核安會還是有相當的決定權嘛對不對所以如果說我們修法拿掉了5\n到15年這個限制的這申請限制那我們怎麼審查或者審查多久那怎麼樣去確保安全這是不是都還是操之在核安委的手上您認為對嗎是的但是一切都是以專業安全的考量\n核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草\n據本席了解,核三廠一號機組目前還有438束燃料的儲存空間是足以足夠容納我們現在反應爐內157束燃料移出的需要,也不會像核二廠有滿足的狀況。主委請教您,如果今天修法通過,核三廠的一號機組是不是具有嚴厲的條件跟空間?\n第一個我們執照是給40年所以到今年7月27他必須依法停機那麼如果通過那台電必須還要準備一個安全的報告我剛才講說研議的報告那麼他要是機組的整個情況那麼做必要的設備的更新那麼我們送到核安會來才會開始審查所以這個需要比較長的時間以上報告\n所以您還是沒有回答嗎?那如果今天修法通過了以後,核三廠一號機組有沒有研議的條件跟空間?這個目前沒辦法估計啦,這個還是要由台電先來做評估。好,我想主委喔,我們要確保核能安全其實就是核安委的職責啦,沒有核安其實也不會給予執照,也不會到今天我們這個核三廠還在運轉喔。所以我想喔,我們今天這樣的一個修法喔,\n三、審查委員蘇清泉等26人擬具\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:14.114\n登記第一位的萬美玲委員質詢。謝謝。好,謝謝召委。我們有請經濟部聯次長、台電的曾董事長以及河安衛的陳主委。好,請問請三位,謝謝。\n\n00:21.650 --> 00:30.719\n委員長好首先我就先就叫我們連次長我想上個月我們賴清泉總統成立了三大任務編組委員會那預計每季都要定期來開會那這個核電廠研議的問題會在國家氣候變遷對策委員會中來討論那這個月底也即將要第一次開會了那請問一下經濟部我們知道這個氣候變遷委員會要討論的題目是哪些嗎\n\n00:44.617 --> 00:48.621\n主要是討論有一些能源結構還有核電相關的問題主要討論能源結構還有一些核電相關的問題所以到底要討論的項目你並不知道?\n\n00:55.548 --> 00:59.269\n談論淨零路徑、綠能減碳、綠色與數位轉型、永續力生活、綠色金融及國土永續調適等七大議題。總統府委員會是尚未的氣候治理角色,但是真正執行落實的還是在行政院各部會嗎?所以經濟部是不能不知道的,次長。\n\n01:18.414 --> 01:36.905\n所以我們提到2023年能源佔比我們綠電佔了9.5%比核電的6.3%還要多可是我們氣候變遷對策委員會的召集人副召集人童子賢說道他說綠能是間歇性能源沒有能力提供穩定的供電經濟部認為綠能有辦法提供穩定的供電嗎?\n\n01:40.347 --> 01:52.116\n立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員王鴻薇等19人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案件及核子反應器設施管制法\n\n02:06.107 --> 02:28.661\n我想應該是我們政府會好好去做一個完整的一個規劃我們也希望啦但是現在看起來好像沒有一個好好的規劃好如果按照你們現在所說的說這個我們有辦法來做一個穩定的供電喔我就講本席的選區啦為什麼從4月到現在不斷的在停電一直在停電一直在跳電喔那甚至於進入夏季以後到7月1號2號3號桃園還是連續三天的來跳電現在連醫院玻璃桃園醫院都停電那麼連這個機場都跳電喔\n\n02:35.825 --> 02:57.172\n你知道嗎?其實玻利桃醫院跳電那一天的狀況那是還好是不是運氣好還沒有出人命這醫院跳電何其嚴重機場跳電何其重大那現在我們口口聲聲左一句不缺電右一句不缺電所以我想在我們台電來台電五月在這個卓院長在視察的時候來桃園視察的時候台電進入狀況內好嗎\n\n03:03.737 --> 03:11.860\n我們在5月份這個德院長來桃園視察的時候有說會全力穩定桃園地區的供電那今年也投入了8億去改善這個線路跟弱點的一個設備那兩個月過去了現在我們看到到處停電跳電又是小動物出沒\n\n03:20.743 --> 03:45.630\n哪來那麼多小動物出沒啊?玻璃桃園醫院那一天其實我們大家就非常不能接受了神的保證每一次運氣都這麼好都不會出大事喔所以我想我們發現這個停電跳電一下說是小動物一下又說是這個陷入老舊啊等等啊從來不承認這是這個供電不穩供電不足啊我記得本席在這個5月29號的時候曾經要求經濟部我們在一個月內要由外部的這個專家學者來組成\n\n03:47.611 --> 04:02.743\n停電跳電原因的調查委員會當時也有承諾說會來組成來針對大規模的停電來做但現在看起來還沒有那我請教一下台電我們現在桃園這樣子平平的一個跳電一個停電是不是其實就是缺電了\n\n04:03.977 --> 04:31.976\n委員您剛才提到的幾個例子都是在我們備轉容量率非常高的時候發生的事情所以那個跟供電夠不夠是兩件事情那台電一直在說明就是這一些線路的問題其實包含我們知道說桃園市是這幾年來人口成長最多也是用電量成長最快的地方所以我們有很多潰線的負載其實已經是超過原來的設計\n\n04:33.677 --> 04:53.093\n我希望能夠調整它。您的這些說法,或者這些藉口,其實我們聽過非常多次。老百姓只有一個想法,怎麼樣能夠保持我們穩定的空間,不要再讓我們一直停電,不要讓大家民生不方便,甚至造成很大的影響。這是老百姓唯一的一個要求跟需求。接下來,我請教一下核安會陳主委。來主委。\n\n04:57.628 --> 05:17.141\n我們今天審查核子反應器的管制條例我們幾位委員提案要來解除核電廠研議至少要五年前申請的限制其實這是為了台灣的能源政策跟我們乾淨的發電我們要多留一個選項留下這個選項所以主委我想請教你今天我們五個這個版本條文如果通過核三廠會自動研議嗎?\n\n05:19.244 --> 05:39.419\n如果修正通過以後,我們營運者,我們台電是不是還是跟現在一樣?我們是要第一個,如果我們要研議要向核安會來申請,並且經過審查。然後呢,審查完以後確認安全無虞才會發給這個執照,之後才能夠繼續運轉。如果沒有提出申請也無法研議,對不對?\n\n05:41.351 --> 05:57.638\n是的,好,那所以依照核安會專業的角度來看,來出發,這一次修法通過之後,您認為會不會有核安的疑慮?如果你認為是有,又會是什麼?那個核安的部分,台電必須先去檢視他想要研議的機組。\n\n05:58.858 --> 06:17.957\n那這個部分他必須寫一個報告,那我們有一些規範,就是整體性的老化評估、老化分析、實現安全分析,那這個東西在我們所有的規範裡面的目錄大概有這麼長。主委,本席只是要問您說,這一次我們如果今天的修法條文通過以後,有沒有會產生核案的疑慮,就這麼簡單?\n\n06:19.138 --> 06:19.158\n案。\n\n06:30.467 --> 06:54.718\n主委根據我們這個相關的這個審核的辦法第16條來看如果要繼續運轉目前是要5到15年之前就是5年前要提出申請可是我們看到同辦法第19條我們有規定審查的期限是由主管機關公告之也就是說核安會還是有相當的決定權嘛對不對所以如果說我們修法拿掉了5\n\n06:55.418 --> 07:10.029\n到15年這個限制的這申請限制那我們怎麼審查或者審查多久那怎麼樣去確保安全這是不是都還是操之在核安委的手上您認為對嗎是的但是一切都是以專業安全的考量\n\n07:10.629 --> 07:11.050\n核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草\n\n07:31.833 --> 07:52.715\n據本席了解,核三廠一號機組目前還有438束燃料的儲存空間是足以足夠容納我們現在反應爐內157束燃料移出的需要,也不會像核二廠有滿足的狀況。主委請教您,如果今天修法通過,核三廠的一號機組是不是具有嚴厲的條件跟空間?\n\n07:54.082 --> 08:19.225\n第一個我們執照是給40年所以到今年7月27他必須依法停機那麼如果通過那台電必須還要準備一個安全的報告我剛才講說研議的報告那麼他要是機組的整個情況那麼做必要的設備的更新那麼我們送到核安會來才會開始審查所以這個需要比較長的時間以上報告\n\n08:20.166 --> 08:26.229\n所以您還是沒有回答嗎?那如果今天修法通過了以後,核三廠一號機組有沒有研議的條件跟空間?這個目前沒辦法估計啦,這個還是要由台電先來做評估。好,我想主委喔,我們要確保核能安全其實就是核安委的職責啦,沒有核安其實也不會給予執照,也不會到今天我們這個核三廠還在運轉喔。所以我想喔,我們今天這樣的一個修法喔,\n\n08:44.497 --> 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