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00:02:00,705\n而且是強力的認為那個地方就是要設置後來查次之後才知道沒有取得地方先做一個商議因為那個地方也有原基法土地的原住民的傳統領域包含原住民的保留地還有私人用地還有農田、糧田等等\n\n6\n00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:23,624\n當時在還沒有開3月12號開說明會之前你們應該取得部落協議的一個敦經的一個會議結果造成民眾強力的開始抗議所以我在3月10號跟邱部長就已經有這個詢問後來得知會重新檢討這是一個答案\n\n7\n00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:59,508\n那另外我在4月2號我又特別召開協調會當時時任的曹參謀長也到後來也問了他說就不一定不一定在那個地方重新是不是在思考到另外一個地方來考量是這是一個協調的結果那如果有進一步有進一步有其他的\n\n8\n00:03:00,788 --> 00:03:10,853\n新訂的方案在另行通知我結果藐視本席跳過7月1號、7月3號、7月9號要召開說明會所以後來7月1號\n\n9\n00:03:18,377 --> 00:03:35,314\n民眾抗議不管是台東縣長姚慶林或是成功關山鎮長都還有地方的旗樓民意代表包含鄉親都已經在那邊拉布條抗議\n\n10\n00:03:36,295 --> 00:03:45,383\n所以我7月3號下午我就召開協調會為得知那個我們新上任的參謀長王參謀長後來說已經請聽到聽到民眾的聲音了\n\n11\n00:03:51,849 --> 00:04:12,736\n那當然地方還是不安所以縣長跟鎮長昨天親自帶領將近百位的鄉親來到立法院表達他們的一個抗議所以部長你新上任我想再來跟我們台東的鄉親我們對國防的國力跟\n\n12\n00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:43,415\n戰備我們絕對支持我們國軍的戰力增強對我們國人的保護絕對是安全的當然如果在沒有取得地方的民意而違背了我們在地方的國土計劃法的產業整合跟資源配置及人文資產的保護那另外又跳過\n\n13\n00:04:45,196 --> 00:04:46,877\n現在你們所指定一個說明會的一個地點麻煩你來回答一下\n\n14\n00:05:14,263 --> 00:05:23,024\n跟委員報告,我的理解是我們會來審慎研議這個相關其他的可能的方案\n\n15\n00:05:24,358 --> 00:05:52,105\n也會傾聽這個地方的民意來做一個審慎的評估好這個答案我相信我們臺東的鄉親還有關山鎮的鄉親都聽得到應該安定了這個心我相信國軍的戰備戰力我們是絕對支持但是一定要取得地方的民意的聲音一定要聽到以上\n\n16\n00:05:52,805 --> 00:05:59,561\n那另外是我們過去蔡政府在成立資通電金\n\n17\n00:06:02,553 --> 00:06:29,455\n但是這個理想很豐富現實很骨感最後蔡總統在卸任前把資通電軍形同解編原因除了從民間延攬相關高科技人才不意外最重要的就是組織再造的問題那當初這個資通電軍的成軍成立的指揮部\n\n18\n00:06:32,132 --> 00:06:53,505\n帶有先射箭後跨靶的性格．將原本的國防部的支電指揮部改名為支通電經指揮部．再併入入軍各軍團和防衛部的通知群及通知連整個\n\n19\n00:06:54,957 --> 00:06:55,477\n國防創新小組我想是在\n\n20\n00:07:21,078 --> 00:07:48,449\n就我理解應該是在這個蔡總統的任內那就有這樣子的一個構想那美國因為DIU也有成立相當的時間從2015吧就開始有那跟委員報告就是說因為有人一開始就認為說這個是好像是在學搭把但是我們不是在學搭把搭把是那種先進的好像要發展比如說次世代的未來戰機\n\n21\n00:07:50,830 --> 00:08:16,119\n有時候看起來好像外星武器一樣的那些東西這是我們做不來的那我們做得來的就是要以我們有限的資源來引進成熟的這個裝備或者是系統或者技術等等來快速的來形成戰力那我們現在在設置在整平室底下那我想應該是沒有在沒有\n\n22\n00:08:16,559 --> 00:08:39,738\n沒有就在整平室底下設置一個現在先行設置一個附加邊組然後我們來進行一個穩健踏實的一個我想好我想這個不是蔡總統因為蔡總統在之前成立的這個資通電軍已經解編所以我現在問的是資通電軍還在啊還在嗎\n\n23\n00:08:42,199 --> 00:08:43,559\n那我想部長\n\n24\n00:09:12,403 --> 00:09:31,321\n成立這個先進國防創新單位這是不是我們蕭副總統的旨意蕭副總統在午夜初在美國國會論壇提出台灣將仿效美國的國防創新單位以便能\n\n25\n00:09:32,001 --> 00:09:57,463\n用最快速、最具體成本效益的方式將尖端科技應用在軍事領域副總統實際上並不是管國防業務但此消息是由副總統講出來且副總統當時在甚至沒有就職卻已經對國防業務下指導期或者是先進國防創新單位是由美國指導組成的\n\n26\n00:10:00,445 --> 00:10:22,981\n跟委員報告,那個我們參考這個美國的DIU的做法是在2月1號就成立了,您剛剛講的蕭副總統講的應該是5月吧?是不是?他的一篇公開的演講裡面去提到,如果我記得沒有錯的話,所以事實上他只是因為他在\n\n27\n00:10:26,923 --> 00:10:51,394\n這個相當的關心這個這樣子的一個DIU的運作所以他應該是只是就我們已經成立的這個事實然後還有一些如何這個來發展這個創新概念的這個評估跟這個引進民間成熟技術來做一個將美國的這個DIU來做一個說明然後希望我們可以來\n\n28\n00:10:54,872 --> 00:10:56,953\n我想不要跌床架屋因為很多事情是如果他是具備\n\n29\n00:11:22,816 --> 00:11:38,774\n有能夠快速而且具備有效能的話當然這個可以研究那另外我想請問一下國造無人機的預算遭排擠在根據今天國防部的報告先進國防創新單位的優先領域\n\n30\n00:11:42,478 --> 00:12:08,090\n在現階段是以民間具相當科技能量之無人載具反制無人機系統AI目標辨識自主導航及職管輔助等產品及技術為優先聚焦的項目但國防部在預算似乎在成立先進國防創新單位互相矛盾媒體報導\n\n31\n00:12:09,471 --> 00:12:21,246\n國造無人機預算排擠而未獲量產請問部長原本要採購無人機的預算是否是哪個部分的預算被排擠那另外我想請教請教\n\n32\n00:12:25,885 --> 00:12:42,599\n部長之前已經表示無論是美國的彈簧刀還是台版的彈簧刀我們都會採購兩者雖然性能類似但在同時編裝下本席發現有三個問題\n\n33\n00:12:43,760 --> 00:13:04,271\n第一個是系統整合第二個指管應用第三戰術搭配要如何做到我想請教主席再給我30秒我是不是請周議員講一下因為我們雙重併進我們這個部分就是要靠AI\n\n34\n00:13:05,555 --> 00:13:18,791\n考AI那為什麼預算會被排擠預算並沒有被排擠所以部長之前也講過不管是美造的彈簧刀或是我們國產自製的攻擊型無人機都同時在進行所以現在是用AI\n\n35\n00:13:20,054 --> 00:13:42,311\n現在就是說相關的這個不同的這麼多型的無人機包括軍規商用的包括我們軍規的這些我們都要將它一起整合在一個共同圖像所以現在我三個問題發現的是系統整合指管運用戰術搭配所以你說用AI\n\n36\n00:14:13,171 --> 00:14:15,980\n接下來請黃國昌委員上台諮詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t27839\t主席,有請部長。請部長。是,黃委員。你好。鄉親的懇託跟人民的期盼、侵佔的痛苦或是被佔用的痛苦,大家都會有一些不安。\n29582\t39809\t我在3月12日得知空軍有到關山我們關山鎮去做一個說明會\n41384\t65672\t這個說明會的前提待會我再做一個加強說明在3月14號我就在這個地方當時時任邱國正部長在詢問的時候有關於臺東縣關山鎮要設置戰備跑道一岸\n68321\t91030\t為什麼沒有請聽地方的聲音那當然是這先前是一個做一個說明會說明會當時時任為空軍參謀長我們曹參謀長有參與這個說明會那後來我才得知我才得知在做一個說明會之前\n93393\t120705\t而且是強力的認為那個地方就是要設置後來查次之後才知道沒有取得地方先做一個商議因為那個地方也有原基法土地的原住民的傳統領域包含原住民的保留地還有私人用地還有農田、糧田等等\n122840\t143624\t當時在還沒有開3月12號開說明會之前你們應該取得部落協議的一個敦經的一個會議結果造成民眾強力的開始抗議所以我在3月10號跟邱部長就已經有這個詢問後來得知會重新檢討這是一個答案\n151752\t179508\t那另外我在4月2號我又特別召開協調會當時時任的曹參謀長也到後來也問了他說就不一定不一定在那個地方重新是不是在思考到另外一個地方來考量是這是一個協調的結果那如果有進一步有進一步有其他的\n180788\t190853\t新訂的方案在另行通知我結果藐視本席跳過7月1號、7月3號、7月9號要召開說明會所以後來7月1號\n198377\t215314\t民眾抗議不管是台東縣長姚慶林或是成功關山鎮長都還有地方的旗樓民意代表包含鄉親都已經在那邊拉布條抗議\n216295\t225383\t所以我7月3號下午我就召開協調會為得知那個我們新上任的參謀長王參謀長後來說已經請聽到聽到民眾的聲音了\n231849\t252736\t那當然地方還是不安所以縣長跟鎮長昨天親自帶領將近百位的鄉親來到立法院表達他們的一個抗議所以部長你新上任我想再來跟我們台東的鄉親我們對國防的國力跟\n258040\t283415\t戰備我們絕對支持我們國軍的戰力增強對我們國人的保護絕對是安全的當然如果在沒有取得地方的民意而違背了我們在地方的國土計劃法的產業整合跟資源配置及人文資產的保護那另外又跳過\n285196\t286877\t現在你們所指定一個說明會的一個地點麻煩你來回答一下\n314263\t323024\t跟委員報告,我的理解是我們會來審慎研議這個相關其他的可能的方案\n324358\t352105\t也會傾聽這個地方的民意來做一個審慎的評估好這個答案我相信我們臺東的鄉親還有關山鎮的鄉親都聽得到應該安定了這個心我相信國軍的戰備戰力我們是絕對支持但是一定要取得地方的民意的聲音一定要聽到以上\n352805\t359561\t那另外是我們過去蔡政府在成立資通電金\n362553\t389455\t但是這個理想很豐富現實很骨感最後蔡總統在卸任前把資通電軍形同解編原因除了從民間延攬相關高科技人才不意外最重要的就是組織再造的問題那當初這個資通電軍的成軍成立的指揮部\n392132\t413505\t帶有先射箭後跨靶的性格．將原本的國防部的支電指揮部改名為支通電經指揮部．再併入入軍各軍團和防衛部的通知群及通知連整個\n414957\t415477\t國防創新小組我想是在\n441078\t468449\t就我理解應該是在這個蔡總統的任內那就有這樣子的一個構想那美國因為DIU也有成立相當的時間從2015吧就開始有那跟委員報告就是說因為有人一開始就認為說這個是好像是在學搭把但是我們不是在學搭把搭把是那種先進的好像要發展比如說次世代的未來戰機\n470830\t496119\t有時候看起來好像外星武器一樣的那些東西這是我們做不來的那我們做得來的就是要以我們有限的資源來引進成熟的這個裝備或者是系統或者技術等等來快速的來形成戰力那我們現在在設置在整平室底下那我想應該是沒有在沒有\n496559\t519738\t沒有就在整平室底下設置一個現在先行設置一個附加邊組然後我們來進行一個穩健踏實的一個我想好我想這個不是蔡總統因為蔡總統在之前成立的這個資通電軍已經解編所以我現在問的是資通電軍還在啊還在嗎\n522199\t523559\t那我想部長\n552403\t571321\t成立這個先進國防創新單位這是不是我們蕭副總統的旨意蕭副總統在午夜初在美國國會論壇提出台灣將仿效美國的國防創新單位以便能\n572001\t597463\t用最快速、最具體成本效益的方式將尖端科技應用在軍事領域副總統實際上並不是管國防業務但此消息是由副總統講出來且副總統當時在甚至沒有就職卻已經對國防業務下指導期或者是先進國防創新單位是由美國指導組成的\n600445\t622981\t跟委員報告,那個我們參考這個美國的DIU的做法是在2月1號就成立了,您剛剛講的蕭副總統講的應該是5月吧?是不是?他的一篇公開的演講裡面去提到,如果我記得沒有錯的話,所以事實上他只是因為他在\n626923\t651394\t這個相當的關心這個這樣子的一個DIU的運作所以他應該是只是就我們已經成立的這個事實然後還有一些如何這個來發展這個創新概念的這個評估跟這個引進民間成熟技術來做一個將美國的這個DIU來做一個說明然後希望我們可以來\n654872\t656953\t我想不要跌床架屋因為很多事情是如果他是具備\n682816\t698774\t有能夠快速而且具備有效能的話當然這個可以研究那另外我想請問一下國造無人機的預算遭排擠在根據今天國防部的報告先進國防創新單位的優先領域\n702478\t728090\t在現階段是以民間具相當科技能量之無人載具反制無人機系統AI目標辨識自主導航及職管輔助等產品及技術為優先聚焦的項目但國防部在預算似乎在成立先進國防創新單位互相矛盾媒體報導\n729471\t741246\t國造無人機預算排擠而未獲量產請問部長原本要採購無人機的預算是否是哪個部分的預算被排擠那另外我想請教請教\n745885\t762599\t部長之前已經表示無論是美國的彈簧刀還是台版的彈簧刀我們都會採購兩者雖然性能類似但在同時編裝下本席發現有三個問題\n763760\t784271\t第一個是系統整合第二個指管應用第三戰術搭配要如何做到我想請教主席再給我30秒我是不是請周議員講一下因為我們雙重併進我們這個部分就是要靠AI\n785555\t798791\t考AI那為什麼預算會被排擠預算並沒有被排擠所以部長之前也講過不管是美造的彈簧刀或是我們國產自製的攻擊型無人機都同時在進行所以現在是用AI\n800054\t822311\t現在就是說相關的這個不同的這麼多型的無人機包括軍規商用的包括我們軍規的這些我們都要將它一起整合在一個共同圖像所以現在我三個問題發現的是系統整合指管運用戰術搭配所以你說用AI\n823012\t851732\t謝謝\n853171\t855980\t接下來請黃國昌委員上台諮詢\n","txt":"主席,有請部長。請部長。是,黃委員。你好。鄉親的懇託跟人民的期盼、侵佔的痛苦或是被佔用的痛苦,大家都會有一些不安。\n我在3月12日得知空軍有到關山我們關山鎮去做一個說明會\n這個說明會的前提待會我再做一個加強說明在3月14號我就在這個地方當時時任邱國正部長在詢問的時候有關於臺東縣關山鎮要設置戰備跑道一岸\n為什麼沒有請聽地方的聲音那當然是這先前是一個做一個說明會說明會當時時任為空軍參謀長我們曹參謀長有參與這個說明會那後來我才得知我才得知在做一個說明會之前\n而且是強力的認為那個地方就是要設置後來查次之後才知道沒有取得地方先做一個商議因為那個地方也有原基法土地的原住民的傳統領域包含原住民的保留地還有私人用地還有農田、糧田等等\n當時在還沒有開3月12號開說明會之前你們應該取得部落協議的一個敦經的一個會議結果造成民眾強力的開始抗議所以我在3月10號跟邱部長就已經有這個詢問後來得知會重新檢討這是一個答案\n那另外我在4月2號我又特別召開協調會當時時任的曹參謀長也到後來也問了他說就不一定不一定在那個地方重新是不是在思考到另外一個地方來考量是這是一個協調的結果那如果有進一步有進一步有其他的\n新訂的方案在另行通知我結果藐視本席跳過7月1號、7月3號、7月9號要召開說明會所以後來7月1號\n民眾抗議不管是台東縣長姚慶林或是成功關山鎮長都還有地方的旗樓民意代表包含鄉親都已經在那邊拉布條抗議\n所以我7月3號下午我就召開協調會為得知那個我們新上任的參謀長王參謀長後來說已經請聽到聽到民眾的聲音了\n那當然地方還是不安所以縣長跟鎮長昨天親自帶領將近百位的鄉親來到立法院表達他們的一個抗議所以部長你新上任我想再來跟我們台東的鄉親我們對國防的國力跟\n戰備我們絕對支持我們國軍的戰力增強對我們國人的保護絕對是安全的當然如果在沒有取得地方的民意而違背了我們在地方的國土計劃法的產業整合跟資源配置及人文資產的保護那另外又跳過\n現在你們所指定一個說明會的一個地點麻煩你來回答一下\n跟委員報告,我的理解是我們會來審慎研議這個相關其他的可能的方案\n也會傾聽這個地方的民意來做一個審慎的評估好這個答案我相信我們臺東的鄉親還有關山鎮的鄉親都聽得到應該安定了這個心我相信國軍的戰備戰力我們是絕對支持但是一定要取得地方的民意的聲音一定要聽到以上\n那另外是我們過去蔡政府在成立資通電金\n但是這個理想很豐富現實很骨感最後蔡總統在卸任前把資通電軍形同解編原因除了從民間延攬相關高科技人才不意外最重要的就是組織再造的問題那當初這個資通電軍的成軍成立的指揮部\n帶有先射箭後跨靶的性格．將原本的國防部的支電指揮部改名為支通電經指揮部．再併入入軍各軍團和防衛部的通知群及通知連整個\n國防創新小組我想是在\n就我理解應該是在這個蔡總統的任內那就有這樣子的一個構想那美國因為DIU也有成立相當的時間從2015吧就開始有那跟委員報告就是說因為有人一開始就認為說這個是好像是在學搭把但是我們不是在學搭把搭把是那種先進的好像要發展比如說次世代的未來戰機\n有時候看起來好像外星武器一樣的那些東西這是我們做不來的那我們做得來的就是要以我們有限的資源來引進成熟的這個裝備或者是系統或者技術等等來快速的來形成戰力那我們現在在設置在整平室底下那我想應該是沒有在沒有\n沒有就在整平室底下設置一個現在先行設置一個附加邊組然後我們來進行一個穩健踏實的一個我想好我想這個不是蔡總統因為蔡總統在之前成立的這個資通電軍已經解編所以我現在問的是資通電軍還在啊還在嗎\n那我想部長\n成立這個先進國防創新單位這是不是我們蕭副總統的旨意蕭副總統在午夜初在美國國會論壇提出台灣將仿效美國的國防創新單位以便能\n用最快速、最具體成本效益的方式將尖端科技應用在軍事領域副總統實際上並不是管國防業務但此消息是由副總統講出來且副總統當時在甚至沒有就職卻已經對國防業務下指導期或者是先進國防創新單位是由美國指導組成的\n跟委員報告,那個我們參考這個美國的DIU的做法是在2月1號就成立了,您剛剛講的蕭副總統講的應該是5月吧?是不是?他的一篇公開的演講裡面去提到,如果我記得沒有錯的話,所以事實上他只是因為他在\n這個相當的關心這個這樣子的一個DIU的運作所以他應該是只是就我們已經成立的這個事實然後還有一些如何這個來發展這個創新概念的這個評估跟這個引進民間成熟技術來做一個將美國的這個DIU來做一個說明然後希望我們可以來\n我想不要跌床架屋因為很多事情是如果他是具備\n有能夠快速而且具備有效能的話當然這個可以研究那另外我想請問一下國造無人機的預算遭排擠在根據今天國防部的報告先進國防創新單位的優先領域\n在現階段是以民間具相當科技能量之無人載具反制無人機系統AI目標辨識自主導航及職管輔助等產品及技術為優先聚焦的項目但國防部在預算似乎在成立先進國防創新單位互相矛盾媒體報導\n國造無人機預算排擠而未獲量產請問部長原本要採購無人機的預算是否是哪個部分的預算被排擠那另外我想請教請教\n部長之前已經表示無論是美國的彈簧刀還是台版的彈簧刀我們都會採購兩者雖然性能類似但在同時編裝下本席發現有三個問題\n第一個是系統整合第二個指管應用第三戰術搭配要如何做到我想請教主席再給我30秒我是不是請周議員講一下因為我們雙重併進我們這個部分就是要靠AI\n考AI那為什麼預算會被排擠預算並沒有被排擠所以部長之前也講過不管是美造的彈簧刀或是我們國產自製的攻擊型無人機都同時在進行所以現在是用AI\n現在就是說相關的這個不同的這麼多型的無人機包括軍規商用的包括我們軍規的這些我們都要將它一起整合在一個共同圖像所以現在我三個問題發現的是系統整合指管運用戰術搭配所以你說用AI\n謝謝\n接下來請黃國昌委員上台諮詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:27.839\n主席,有請部長。請部長。是,黃委員。你好。鄉親的懇託跟人民的期盼、侵佔的痛苦或是被佔用的痛苦,大家都會有一些不安。\n\n00:29.582 --> 00:39.809\n我在3月12日得知空軍有到關山我們關山鎮去做一個說明會\n\n00:41.384 --> 01:05.672\n這個說明會的前提待會我再做一個加強說明在3月14號我就在這個地方當時時任邱國正部長在詢問的時候有關於臺東縣關山鎮要設置戰備跑道一岸\n\n01:08.321 --> 01:31.030\n為什麼沒有請聽地方的聲音那當然是這先前是一個做一個說明會說明會當時時任為空軍參謀長我們曹參謀長有參與這個說明會那後來我才得知我才得知在做一個說明會之前\n\n01:33.393 --> 02:00.705\n而且是強力的認為那個地方就是要設置後來查次之後才知道沒有取得地方先做一個商議因為那個地方也有原基法土地的原住民的傳統領域包含原住民的保留地還有私人用地還有農田、糧田等等\n\n02:02.840 --> 02:23.624\n當時在還沒有開3月12號開說明會之前你們應該取得部落協議的一個敦經的一個會議結果造成民眾強力的開始抗議所以我在3月10號跟邱部長就已經有這個詢問後來得知會重新檢討這是一個答案\n\n02:31.752 --> 02:59.508\n那另外我在4月2號我又特別召開協調會當時時任的曹參謀長也到後來也問了他說就不一定不一定在那個地方重新是不是在思考到另外一個地方來考量是這是一個協調的結果那如果有進一步有進一步有其他的\n\n03:00.788 --> 03:10.853\n新訂的方案在另行通知我結果藐視本席跳過7月1號、7月3號、7月9號要召開說明會所以後來7月1號\n\n03:18.377 --> 03:35.314\n民眾抗議不管是台東縣長姚慶林或是成功關山鎮長都還有地方的旗樓民意代表包含鄉親都已經在那邊拉布條抗議\n\n03:36.295 --> 03:45.383\n所以我7月3號下午我就召開協調會為得知那個我們新上任的參謀長王參謀長後來說已經請聽到聽到民眾的聲音了\n\n03:51.849 --> 04:12.736\n那當然地方還是不安所以縣長跟鎮長昨天親自帶領將近百位的鄉親來到立法院表達他們的一個抗議所以部長你新上任我想再來跟我們台東的鄉親我們對國防的國力跟\n\n04:18.040 --> 04:43.415\n戰備我們絕對支持我們國軍的戰力增強對我們國人的保護絕對是安全的當然如果在沒有取得地方的民意而違背了我們在地方的國土計劃法的產業整合跟資源配置及人文資產的保護那另外又跳過\n\n04:45.196 --> 04:46.877\n現在你們所指定一個說明會的一個地點麻煩你來回答一下\n\n05:14.263 --> 05:23.024\n跟委員報告,我的理解是我們會來審慎研議這個相關其他的可能的方案\n\n05:24.358 --> 05:52.105\n也會傾聽這個地方的民意來做一個審慎的評估好這個答案我相信我們臺東的鄉親還有關山鎮的鄉親都聽得到應該安定了這個心我相信國軍的戰備戰力我們是絕對支持但是一定要取得地方的民意的聲音一定要聽到以上\n\n05:52.805 --> 05:59.561\n那另外是我們過去蔡政府在成立資通電金\n\n06:02.553 --> 06:29.455\n但是這個理想很豐富現實很骨感最後蔡總統在卸任前把資通電軍形同解編原因除了從民間延攬相關高科技人才不意外最重要的就是組織再造的問題那當初這個資通電軍的成軍成立的指揮部\n\n06:32.132 --> 06:53.505\n帶有先射箭後跨靶的性格．將原本的國防部的支電指揮部改名為支通電經指揮部．再併入入軍各軍團和防衛部的通知群及通知連整個\n\n06:54.957 --> 06:55.477\n國防創新小組我想是在\n\n07:21.078 --> 07:48.449\n就我理解應該是在這個蔡總統的任內那就有這樣子的一個構想那美國因為DIU也有成立相當的時間從2015吧就開始有那跟委員報告就是說因為有人一開始就認為說這個是好像是在學搭把但是我們不是在學搭把搭把是那種先進的好像要發展比如說次世代的未來戰機\n\n07:50.830 --> 08:16.119\n有時候看起來好像外星武器一樣的那些東西這是我們做不來的那我們做得來的就是要以我們有限的資源來引進成熟的這個裝備或者是系統或者技術等等來快速的來形成戰力那我們現在在設置在整平室底下那我想應該是沒有在沒有\n\n08:16.559 --> 08:39.738\n沒有就在整平室底下設置一個現在先行設置一個附加邊組然後我們來進行一個穩健踏實的一個我想好我想這個不是蔡總統因為蔡總統在之前成立的這個資通電軍已經解編所以我現在問的是資通電軍還在啊還在嗎\n\n08:42.199 --> 08:43.559\n那我想部長\n\n09:12.403 --> 09:31.321\n成立這個先進國防創新單位這是不是我們蕭副總統的旨意蕭副總統在午夜初在美國國會論壇提出台灣將仿效美國的國防創新單位以便能\n\n09:32.001 --> 09:57.463\n用最快速、最具體成本效益的方式將尖端科技應用在軍事領域副總統實際上並不是管國防業務但此消息是由副總統講出來且副總統當時在甚至沒有就職卻已經對國防業務下指導期或者是先進國防創新單位是由美國指導組成的\n\n10:00.445 --> 10:22.981\n跟委員報告,那個我們參考這個美國的DIU的做法是在2月1號就成立了,您剛剛講的蕭副總統講的應該是5月吧?是不是?他的一篇公開的演講裡面去提到,如果我記得沒有錯的話,所以事實上他只是因為他在\n\n10:26.923 --> 10:51.394\n這個相當的關心這個這樣子的一個DIU的運作所以他應該是只是就我們已經成立的這個事實然後還有一些如何這個來發展這個創新概念的這個評估跟這個引進民間成熟技術來做一個將美國的這個DIU來做一個說明然後希望我們可以來\n\n10:54.872 --> 10:56.953\n我想不要跌床架屋因為很多事情是如果他是具備\n\n11:22.816 --> 11:38.774\n有能夠快速而且具備有效能的話當然這個可以研究那另外我想請問一下國造無人機的預算遭排擠在根據今天國防部的報告先進國防創新單位的優先領域\n\n11:42.478 --> 12:08.090\n在現階段是以民間具相當科技能量之無人載具反制無人機系統AI目標辨識自主導航及職管輔助等產品及技術為優先聚焦的項目但國防部在預算似乎在成立先進國防創新單位互相矛盾媒體報導\n\n12:09.471 --> 12:21.246\n國造無人機預算排擠而未獲量產請問部長原本要採購無人機的預算是否是哪個部分的預算被排擠那另外我想請教請教\n\n12:25.885 --> 12:42.599\n部長之前已經表示無論是美國的彈簧刀還是台版的彈簧刀我們都會採購兩者雖然性能類似但在同時編裝下本席發現有三個問題\n\n12:43.760 --> 13:04.271\n第一個是系統整合第二個指管應用第三戰術搭配要如何做到我想請教主席再給我30秒我是不是請周議員講一下因為我們雙重併進我們這個部分就是要靠AI\n\n13:05.555 --> 13:18.791\n考AI那為什麼預算會被排擠預算並沒有被排擠所以部長之前也講過不管是美造的彈簧刀或是我們國產自製的攻擊型無人機都同時在進行所以現在是用AI\n\n13:20.054 --> 13:42.311\n現在就是說相關的這個不同的這麼多型的無人機包括軍規商用的包括我們軍規的這些我們都要將它一起整合在一個共同圖像所以現在我三個問題發現的是系統整合指管運用戰術搭配所以你說用AI\n\n14:13.171 --> 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