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00:03:40,801\n到底有沒有可能?我在想齁所以我就說這個要看國際的趨勢是怎樣那國際的趨勢假如說國際的趨勢都是是你在等他們?大家都等來等去?不是不是因為不是\n\n10\n00:03:41,161 --> 00:04:06,139\n不是我就說他發言不是因為我剛剛也講了因為他這個CPV到最後的最主要功能也是要跨境啊跨境的時候就要兩個去兌換啊如果說對方沒有的時候我怎麼兌換那你跟國際之間這件事情有在兌換嗎這個BIS我告訴委員這個我們報告裡面也講BIS也是很在積極的要如何撮合一個平台讓\n\n11\n00:04:13,825 --> 00:04:24,995\n總裁,那我再問一個問題因為在這個過程當中你指出說銀行要做中介性這個中介性是階段性的還是永久?沒有,它還是永久的\n\n12\n00:04:28,029 --> 00:04:42,298\n因為我們講的很清楚就是說所以未來如果有機會規劃的話也不會是央行直接推而是一定會透過中介銀行比如像說我後面的那個第二個part會講到一個代幣化\n\n13\n00:04:44,165 --> 00:05:12,627\n貸幣化的意思就是說你一定要存款貸幣化這個要先做了以後央行的一個其他國家會一樣也會是雙城市嗎?一樣的所以我就說這個就是不是說單獨中央銀行來做一做我們就推出來了但是呢最重要的我是覺得我們有一個中介這個銀行雙城市的推動最主要是不是擔心銀行體系會有急高如果沒有透過它\n\n14\n00:05:14,049 --> 00:05:36,151\n因為就是說你透過銀行的體系的時候比如說像那個Wholesale就是說批發式的你如果說沒有商業銀行的代幣化的時候呢商業銀行的本身它的運作就比較不會有效率\n\n15\n00:05:36,972 --> 00:05:38,014\n為什麼你一開始連公聽會都還沒開你就開始決定說初期不計息?\n\n16\n00:05:53,215 --> 00:06:08,086\n對啊,因為我們先從零售,然後再到wholesale,到批發。那零售的話呢,我剛剛也在講啦,零售的很簡單的就是現金的數位化。\n\n17\n00:06:08,866 --> 00:06:08,986\n李彥秀\n\n18\n00:06:25,456 --> 00:06:44,521\n我們存入銀行就沒有利息啊。但是那時候商業銀行貨幣他的那個存款,他的那個合期存款,合期存款還是存款,那現金是現金就是說支付他馬上,我支付馬上就一手交錢一手交貨。\n\n19\n00:06:46,181 --> 00:06:59,559\n所以現金我們就說現金的數位化然後沒有不計息但是我們要計息的這個功能要是它是作為貨幣政策的一個工具\n\n20\n00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:22,885\n所以當然是應該開始的時候是要我最後問一個問題我們現在在台灣登記的公司好像總共有78.1萬家如果我們發行推動CBDC的話我們有沒有思考過大概建制需要花多少的薪費你有沒有精算過到目前為止還沒有\n\n21\n00:07:24,464 --> 00:07:43,724\n所以我為什麼用那12個字送給你?因為其實很清楚的嘛我剛才那12個字其實很清楚的嘛其實就是我覺得一開始你們的態度其實就是對於推動CBDC這件事就是明包暗扁然後你們目前的做法\n\n22\n00:07:44,842 --> 00:07:51,504\n我跟各位報告了就是說事實上各個國家主要的中央銀行在推動這個CBDC呢到目前為止大部分都沒有時間表\n\n23\n00:08:11,874 --> 00:08:12,054\n主席\n\n24\n00:08:31,465 --> 00:08:56,737\n主委好,我還是要問一下因為剛才我有關注到這兩天工商協定會吳東亮理事長有帶一群理監事一起去看您其中最關鍵的一個問題就是在金融的競爭裡面有一個重點就是提到說目前幾十年來我們的這個金融業佔台灣的GDP的比重大概大概6%左右都在顯然的這幾年都沒有顯著的成長\n\n25\n00:08:57,737 --> 00:08:57,917\n新加坡銀行\n\n26\n00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:32,347\n台灣規模最大的銀行就是我們自己的台灣銀行在20年前包括台灣、台銀的資產規模其實都比新加坡甚至比新展銀行還要大但這幾年新展銀行早就把我們台銀早就我們連車尾燈都看不到\n\n27\n00:09:32,807 --> 00:10:00,305\n但是主委我知道拿台灣銀行跟我們跟新加坡相比事實上不公平因為我們整體的產業包括我們有製造業、高科技、農工、服務業等等我們都有事實上均衡的發展對台灣最好但是就金融業而言我們要想辦法打亞洲盃甚至我們要想辦法打世界盃你也提到說我們最大的問題之前我看到你說我們的人才不足在金融業人才不足那我就要請問主委\n\n28\n00:10:19,246 --> 00:10:44,298\n是謝謝委員剛剛提到大家很喜歡用那個金融產值占GDP的比重其實跟香港跟新加坡比這個這一點可能要稍微再仔細思考一下因為台灣是有產業等於是我們的分母這個我知道對所以說這個指標我們還是希望努力過去台灣金融業雖然保持在6左右實際上主要它跟我們的GDP是同步成長它沒有超額成長我想剛才人才是全世界競爭的那你要怎麼解決呢\n\n29\n00:10:44,898 --> 00:10:45,920\n這是一個跨部會的主流\n\n30\n00:11:01,380 --> 00:11:25,299\n所以主委你還是要有解決的方案跟方式報到行政院那邊去讓院長讓總統知道這件事我支持你做這件事情但是這個不是嘴巴喊了四年到最後什麼都沒有我要提醒主委當然要努力誰知道最後都要做得到臺灣銀行的規模不夠大怎麼樣有機會上百大怎麼樣跟新展銀行新加坡銀行競爭有可能透過金融整併來處理你的手段跟方法到底是什麼工具是什麼\n\n31\n00:11:26,139 --> 00:11:52,080\n其實每個國家在壯大金融市場的做法不同像臺灣今年我們大概是我們有邁向22年的金控公司各位可以看臺灣幾大金控公司從過去這20年來資產規模整個資產規模擴大大概6到7倍我想這件事情是一個我們的方法可能跟新加坡單純走銀行可能不太一樣那你們的方法是什麼沒關係因為時間到了第一個我們持續的強化我們金控\n\n32\n00:11:58,823 --> 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Border,就是跨境\n我們到底在這一任賴總統任內卓內閣任內2028年我們到底有沒有發行CBDC的可行性可能性\n到底有沒有可能?我在想齁所以我就說這個要看國際的趨勢是怎樣那國際的趨勢假如說國際的趨勢都是是你在等他們?大家都等來等去?不是不是因為不是\n不是我就說他發言不是因為我剛剛也講了因為他這個CPV到最後的最主要功能也是要跨境啊跨境的時候就要兩個去兌換啊如果說對方沒有的時候我怎麼兌換那你跟國際之間這件事情有在兌換嗎這個BIS我告訴委員這個我們報告裡面也講BIS也是很在積極的要如何撮合一個平台讓\n總裁,那我再問一個問題因為在這個過程當中你指出說銀行要做中介性這個中介性是階段性的還是永久?沒有,它還是永久的\n因為我們講的很清楚就是說所以未來如果有機會規劃的話也不會是央行直接推而是一定會透過中介銀行比如像說我後面的那個第二個part會講到一個代幣化\n貸幣化的意思就是說你一定要存款貸幣化這個要先做了以後央行的一個其他國家會一樣也會是雙城市嗎?一樣的所以我就說這個就是不是說單獨中央銀行來做一做我們就推出來了但是呢最重要的我是覺得我們有一個中介這個銀行雙城市的推動最主要是不是擔心銀行體系會有急高如果沒有透過它\n因為就是說你透過銀行的體系的時候比如說像那個Wholesale就是說批發式的你如果說沒有商業銀行的代幣化的時候呢商業銀行的本身它的運作就比較不會有效率\n為什麼你一開始連公聽會都還沒開你就開始決定說初期不計息?\n對啊,因為我們先從零售,然後再到 wholesale,到批發。那零售的話呢,我剛剛也在講啦,零售的很簡單的就是現金的數位化。\n李彥秀\n我們存入銀行就沒有利息啊。但是那時候商業銀行貨幣他的那個存款,他的那個合期存款,合期存款還是存款,那現金是現金就是說支付他馬上,我支付馬上就一手交錢一手交貨。\n所以現金我們就說現金的數位化然後沒有不計息但是我們要計息的這個功能要是它是作為貨幣政策的一個工具\n所以當然是應該開始的時候是要我最後問一個問題我們現在在台灣登記的公司好像總共有78.1萬家如果我們發行推動CBDC的話我們有沒有思考過大概建制需要花多少的薪費你有沒有精算過到目前為止還沒有\n所以我為什麼用那12個字送給你?因為其實很清楚的嘛我剛才那12個字其實很清楚的嘛其實就是我覺得一開始你們的態度其實就是對於推動CBDC這件事就是明包暗扁然後你們目前的做法\n我跟各位報告了就是說事實上各個國家主要的中央銀行在推動這個CBDC呢到目前為止大部分都沒有時間表\n主席\n主委好,我還是要問一下因為剛才我有關注到這兩天工商協定會吳東亮理事長有帶一群理監事一起去看您其中最關鍵的一個問題就是在金融的競爭裡面有一個重點就是提到說目前幾十年來我們的這個金融業佔台灣的GDP的比重大概大概6%左右都在顯然的這幾年都沒有顯著的成長\n新加坡銀行\n台灣規模最大的銀行就是我們自己的台灣銀行在20年前包括台灣、台銀的資產規模其實都比新加坡甚至比新展銀行還要大但這幾年新展銀行早就把我們台銀早就我們連車尾燈都看不到\n但是主委我知道拿台灣銀行跟我們跟新加坡相比事實上不公平因為我們整體的產業包括我們有製造業、高科技、農工、服務業等等我們都有事實上均衡的發展對台灣最好但是就金融業而言我們要想辦法打亞洲盃甚至我們要想辦法打世界盃你也提到說我們最大的問題之前我看到你說我們的人才不足在金融業人才不足那我就要請問主委\n⋯⋯\n是謝謝委員剛剛提到大家很喜歡用那個金融產值占GDP的比重其實跟香港跟新加坡比這個這一點可能要稍微再仔細思考一下因為台灣是有產業等於是我們的分母這個我知道對所以說這個指標我們還是希望努力過去台灣金融業雖然保持在6左右實際上主要它跟我們的GDP是同步成長它沒有超額成長我想剛才人才是全世界競爭的那你要怎麼解決呢\n這是一個跨部會的主流\n所以主委你還是要有解決的方案跟方式報到行政院那邊去讓院長讓總統知道這件事我支持你做這件事情但是這個不是嘴巴喊了四年到最後什麼都沒有我要提醒主委當然要努力誰知道最後都要做得到臺灣銀行的規模不夠大怎麼樣有機會上百大怎麼樣跟新展銀行新加坡銀行競爭有可能透過金融整併來處理你的手段跟方法到底是什麼工具是什麼\n其實每個國家在壯大金融市場的做法不同像臺灣今年我們大概是我們有邁向22年的金控公司各位可以看臺灣幾大金控公司從過去這20年來資產規模整個資產規模擴大大概6到7倍我想這件事情是一個我們的方法可能跟新加坡單純走銀行可能不太一樣那你們的方法是什麼沒關係因為時間到了第一個我們持續的強化我們金控\n金融科技創新發展\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.369\n總裁早安!\n\n00:28.710 --> 00:41.416\n我看完整個你們的工作報告其實我有12個字可以來形容對於發行數位貨幣央行的態度就是明包暗扁、做法保守\n\n00:42.296 --> 01:09.268\n以拖待變我為什麼會說你們是明包暗扁呢因為你在工作報告裡面有提了央行包括對於數位貨幣包括在很多新進國家其實目前發展的狀況其實都不如預期所以對於CBDC你們的態度是比較審慎的這也凸顯出央行對於到底要不要主動積極推動這個數位貨幣這件事情你們的意願度事實上是不高的\n\n01:09.988 --> 01:34.777\n為什麼我說你做法保守呢因為其實我們仍舊保留銀行作為中介的功能而且初期我們都還是不計利息所以包括在以拖待變的部分為什麼我這麼說因為我們已經做完民調但是相關的一些初期的準備但是甚至是我們要到明年我們才準備要辦第一場公聽會\n\n01:35.897 --> 02:00.082\n所以按照道理說做民調反映的是現在對於推動數位貨幣民間產官學界大家的看法到底是什麼但你要拖到我不知道是不是央行人不夠還是怎麼樣我們要拖到明年我們才打算辦第一場公聽會所以我說我用這12個字送給總裁對於推動這個數位貨幣這件事總裁你覺得委屈嗎\n\n02:02.363 --> 02:29.821\n我想就是說我們要推動CBDC就是說除了除了就是說要對公眾來做比較那個要做一個很明確的一個溝通以外我覺得委員做了這樣的一個做了這樣的一個的評論我也意思認為就是說我們要向委員再做進一步的溝通\n\n02:30.481 --> 02:55.648\n你不用跟我溝通,因為我看你到目前做的事情我用了12個字送給你,真的是謝謝因為我們在報告裡面我們也沒辦法講得非常的清楚剛剛我也有提到就是說CBDC它的主要的功能其中之一就是CrossBorder,就是跨境\n\n02:56.462 --> 02:59.544\n我們到底在這一任賴總統任內卓內閣任內2028年我們到底有沒有發行CBDC的可行性可能性\n\n03:26.144 --> 03:40.801\n到底有沒有可能?我在想齁所以我就說這個要看國際的趨勢是怎樣那國際的趨勢假如說國際的趨勢都是是你在等他們?大家都等來等去?不是不是因為不是\n\n03:41.161 --> 04:06.139\n不是我就說他發言不是因為我剛剛也講了因為他這個CPV到最後的最主要功能也是要跨境啊跨境的時候就要兩個去兌換啊如果說對方沒有的時候我怎麼兌換那你跟國際之間這件事情有在兌換嗎這個BIS我告訴委員這個我們報告裡面也講BIS也是很在積極的要如何撮合一個平台讓\n\n04:13.825 --> 04:24.995\n總裁,那我再問一個問題因為在這個過程當中你指出說銀行要做中介性這個中介性是階段性的還是永久?沒有,它還是永久的\n\n04:28.029 --> 04:42.298\n因為我們講的很清楚就是說所以未來如果有機會規劃的話也不會是央行直接推而是一定會透過中介銀行比如像說我後面的那個第二個part會講到一個代幣化\n\n04:44.165 --> 05:12.627\n貸幣化的意思就是說你一定要存款貸幣化這個要先做了以後央行的一個其他國家會一樣也會是雙城市嗎?一樣的所以我就說這個就是不是說單獨中央銀行來做一做我們就推出來了但是呢最重要的我是覺得我們有一個中介這個銀行雙城市的推動最主要是不是擔心銀行體系會有急高如果沒有透過它\n\n05:14.049 --> 05:36.151\n因為就是說你透過銀行的體系的時候比如說像那個Wholesale就是說批發式的你如果說沒有商業銀行的代幣化的時候呢商業銀行的本身它的運作就比較不會有效率\n\n05:36.972 --> 05:38.014\n為什麼你一開始連公聽會都還沒開你就開始決定說初期不計息?\n\n05:53.215 --> 06:08.086\n對啊,因為我們先從零售,然後再到wholesale,到批發。那零售的話呢,我剛剛也在講啦,零售的很簡單的就是現金的數位化。\n\n06:08.866 --> 06:08.986\n李彥秀\n\n06:25.456 --> 06:44.521\n我們存入銀行就沒有利息啊。但是那時候商業銀行貨幣他的那個存款,他的那個合期存款,合期存款還是存款,那現金是現金就是說支付他馬上,我支付馬上就一手交錢一手交貨。\n\n06:46.181 --> 06:59.559\n所以現金我們就說現金的數位化然後沒有不計息但是我們要計息的這個功能要是它是作為貨幣政策的一個工具\n\n07:00.840 --> 07:22.885\n所以當然是應該開始的時候是要我最後問一個問題我們現在在台灣登記的公司好像總共有78.1萬家如果我們發行推動CBDC的話我們有沒有思考過大概建制需要花多少的薪費你有沒有精算過到目前為止還沒有\n\n07:24.464 --> 07:43.724\n所以我為什麼用那12個字送給你?因為其實很清楚的嘛我剛才那12個字其實很清楚的嘛其實就是我覺得一開始你們的態度其實就是對於推動CBDC這件事就是明包暗扁然後你們目前的做法\n\n07:44.842 --> 07:51.504\n我跟各位報告了就是說事實上各個國家主要的中央銀行在推動這個CBDC呢到目前為止大部分都沒有時間表\n\n08:11.874 --> 08:12.054\n主席\n\n08:31.465 --> 08:56.737\n主委好,我還是要問一下因為剛才我有關注到這兩天工商協定會吳東亮理事長有帶一群理監事一起去看您其中最關鍵的一個問題就是在金融的競爭裡面有一個重點就是提到說目前幾十年來我們的這個金融業佔台灣的GDP的比重大概大概6%左右都在顯然的這幾年都沒有顯著的成長\n\n08:57.737 --> 08:57.917\n新加坡銀行\n\n09:16.559 --> 09:32.347\n台灣規模最大的銀行就是我們自己的台灣銀行在20年前包括台灣、台銀的資產規模其實都比新加坡甚至比新展銀行還要大但這幾年新展銀行早就把我們台銀早就我們連車尾燈都看不到\n\n09:32.807 --> 10:00.305\n但是主委我知道拿台灣銀行跟我們跟新加坡相比事實上不公平因為我們整體的產業包括我們有製造業、高科技、農工、服務業等等我們都有事實上均衡的發展對台灣最好但是就金融業而言我們要想辦法打亞洲盃甚至我們要想辦法打世界盃你也提到說我們最大的問題之前我看到你說我們的人才不足在金融業人才不足那我就要請問主委\n\n10:19.246 --> 10:44.298\n是謝謝委員剛剛提到大家很喜歡用那個金融產值占GDP的比重其實跟香港跟新加坡比這個這一點可能要稍微再仔細思考一下因為台灣是有產業等於是我們的分母這個我知道對所以說這個指標我們還是希望努力過去台灣金融業雖然保持在6左右實際上主要它跟我們的GDP是同步成長它沒有超額成長我想剛才人才是全世界競爭的那你要怎麼解決呢\n\n10:44.898 --> 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