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00:00:46,371\n部長局長針對TPASS這個政策本席是給予高度的肯定但是老實說我也覺得因為TPASS的上路我有點失望有點困惑為什麼這樣說因為我會認為現在的TPASS嚴格講起來是對基隆的民眾甚至對大台北的民眾有點於不掩霞實質上來講這是現在TPASS之後服務品質不但不足反而變更差\n\n3\n00:00:47,131 --> 00:01:13,916\n那我們現在看到的這些都是目前我想局長都很清楚可能部長第一次看到這全部都是在臺北等車等國道客運的基隆人那每天都是這樣的狀況這是白天上班這是一邊是白天上班一邊是晚上下班變成是說造成我們這些已經從這樣的狀況已經持續了至少3年以上基本上來講越來尤其是TPASS上路之後是越來越嚴重\n\n4\n00:01:15,456 --> 00:01:21,004\n原因其實很特別就是因為我們都知道司機繼續缺工但是呢\n\n5\n00:01:22,725 --> 00:01:49,971\n班次因為人數的增加又因為司機的缺工所以反而更開不出來我記得沒有錯我最近這半年沒有去調資料因為每個月搭乘用TPASS搭乘國道客運的人數都在增加甚至以前我記得是約略每天有3萬5千名基隆人搭乘這個國道客運來台北上班上課現在應該已經突破4萬人以上\n\n6\n00:01:50,771 --> 00:02:11,429\n那這樣的一個大型的人潮那他們當他們這個上班沒有辦法準時上班明明要趕9點的班他們必須6點就6點6點半就已經出門那晚上明明5點半已經下了班他們到家時間是8點8點半那本席身為基隆的民意代表本席是感到非常的心痛\n\n7\n00:02:12,730 --> 00:02:28,033\n甚至這樣講今天我也看到交通運營所的所長在這邊對吧我們也都知道基隆到台北這一段跟台北到桃園這一段在上班時間都是最困難的時候\n\n8\n00:02:28,513 --> 00:02:30,114\n本席有針對下面5點來請教我們交通部也順便做出建議\n\n9\n00:02:50,521 --> 00:03:13,041\n第一個從我2月1號一上任之後我就一直請我們交通部研擬所謂的國道客運的補助請問什麼時候到位那請問這個金額大概是多少因為我從的時候5月的時候最後王部長要離開的時候說已經核定了不要擔心已經核定了那本來是說6月就會到位\n\n10\n00:03:13,641 --> 00:03:30,597\n其實我6月還沒有現在到7月現在最後面說8月那你們給我們個確切時間什麼時候到位那第二個來講就是說我們什麼時候這筆補助大概是多少的金額那至少讓我們知道說我們交通部有拿出實質的誠意去解決國道客運的問題\n\n11\n00:03:34,841 --> 00:03:50,074\n我先這樣講我代表基隆的民意代表講這句話但是同樣的問題也發生在桃園甚至新北也被影響到所以這個是TPASS在北北基整個交通上面所交通部所希望也應該做出的補助請回答\n\n12\n00:03:52,842 --> 00:04:12,657\n相關的先跟委員報告就是缺司機這個部分目前已經有幾個措施在進行比如說我們把駕駛的那個年紀從65歲提高到68歲讓有更多人可以來擔任那第二個有相關的一些加薪的措施目前平均大概每個駕駛大概有加薪5000塊月薪\n\n13\n00:04:14,218 --> 00:04:14,418\n李沛祥議員\n\n14\n00:04:31,448 --> 00:04:52,015\n大概增加了將近2900多位的駕駛那另外有關桃園基隆這7條比較特殊的這個國道那目前有一些正在研擬特殊的一個協助的方式因為確實他的運量離峰跟尖峰有很大的落差那細節我是不是請我們局長跟您報告一下\n\n15\n00:04:52,715 --> 00:05:01,621\n跟委員報告反映業者實質營運的成本國道科運交通部已經合併在今年5月1日調漲他們的運價因為TPASS是補助票價的差額所以目前業者要去公告提升的因為像我們TPASS是全額做補貼\n\n16\n00:05:17,631 --> 00:05:17,671\n主席\n\n17\n00:05:36,867 --> 00:05:55,551\n業者的營運成本的話接受這個我們的補貼像三排座的話就是說大概就是這個整個營運的成本這個我們的補貼是在接近百分之二十那四排座大概是百分之五局長你們直接跟我們講說這次的補貼整個補助會大概是會有多少這個金額大概大約是多少\n\n18\n00:06:00,024 --> 00:06:03,766\n國道客運整個運價調整一年會增加6億元補貼經費基隆、臺北的尖峰性非常強補貼跟一般國道客運運價的補貼不一樣還會再加成\n\n19\n00:06:27,375 --> 00:06:28,696\n人均公里補助會提供多少?\n\n20\n00:06:42,785 --> 00:07:05,287\n這個部分的話因為這個它的像基隆台北這邊的話就是說它會比我們5月1日合定的運價大概還會再增加2到6成左右我在這邊就直接把事情講因為局長也知道本溪長期關心我們的國道客運那尤其是不管是平面跟高速公路上面的補助其實是不一樣的\n\n21\n00:07:05,948 --> 00:07:26,513\n那我在這邊強烈建議就是說在人均公里補助的時候如果能的話建議一次補齊如果能夠到5塊台幣5塊的話人均公里補助如果能到台幣5塊的話我認為一次可以反映所有的成本而且跟甚至有關這個通貨膨脹另外一方面來講就是說你這樣子可以讓業者會願意來進來去經營這些辛苦的路線\n\n22\n00:07:32,014 --> 00:07:36,657\n平面道路補貼目前有計畫43塊提高到46塊明年才會進行計畫平面路段部分去年已經核定了什麼時候實施去年5月份已經實施了平面路段現在是45塊85嗎\n\n23\n00:07:57,431 --> 00:08:23,616\n對對現在已經到45塊85差不多OK好那另外一點就是所謂的養量計畫也就是剛剛部長有提到的7條我記得本來是我記得看到資料是6條不過7條客運路線的話我知道一年好像將近是300萬對某條某個路線的這些這些有需要但是會經營困難的路線來去做補助那本席認為說如果只定期為3年的養量計畫基本上這些這幾條路線都不用養量\n\n24\n00:08:24,316 --> 00:08:44,936\n這幾條路線量都很大不管是基隆到台北還是桃園到台北量其實都很大而局長你知道我講哪幾條路線所以說與其是這樣講倒不如說一個補助必要性國道客運的補助變成是一個常態性補助簡稱叫補幣因為這些路線必須要在不然的話這些路線他太多人去搭乘\n\n25\n00:08:45,276 --> 00:09:07,049\n如果這些沒有搭乘這些路線的話我們至少我保守估計至少多1000台車從基隆跟桃園上高速公路來做搭乘那這樣對我們目前的高速公路會有更大的影響那最後一點是我這邊就直接跟幫我們先祥委員講話基隆市目前最大的客運路線叫做1815我想局長很清楚\n\n26\n00:09:07,969 --> 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因為我會認為現在的TPASS嚴格講起來是對基隆的民眾甚至對大台北的民眾有點於不掩霞實質上來講這是現在TPASS之後服務品質不但不足反而變更差\n47131\t73916\t那我們現在看到的這些都是目前我想局長都很清楚可能部長第一次看到這全部都是在臺北等車等國道客運的基隆人那每天都是這樣的狀況這是白天上班這是一邊是白天上班一邊是晚上下班變成是說造成我們這些已經從這樣的狀況已經持續了至少3年以上基本上來講越來尤其是TPASS上路之後是越來越嚴重\n75456\t81004\t原因其實很特別就是因為我們都知道司機繼續缺工但是呢\n82725\t109971\t班次因為人數的增加又因為司機的缺工所以反而更開不出來我記得沒有錯我最近這半年沒有去調資料因為每個月搭乘用TPASS搭乘國道客運的人數都在增加甚至以前我記得是約略每天有3萬5千名基隆人搭乘這個國道客運來台北上班上課現在應該已經突破4萬人以上\n110771\t131429\t那這樣的一個大型的人潮那他們當他們這個上班沒有辦法準時上班明明要趕9點的班他們必須6點就6點6點半就已經出門那晚上明明5點半已經下了班他們到家時間是8點8點半那本席身為基隆的民意代表本席是感到非常的心痛\n132730\t148033\t甚至這樣講今天我也看到交通運營所的所長在這邊對吧我們也都知道基隆到台北這一段跟台北到桃園這一段在上班時間都是最困難的時候\n148513\t150114\t本席有針對下面5點來請教我們交通部也順便做出建議\n170521\t193041\t第一個 從我2月1號一上任之後我就一直請我們交通部研擬所謂的國道客運的補助請問什麼時候到位那請問這個金額大概是多少因為我從的時候5月的時候最後王部長要離開的時候說已經核定了不要擔心已經核定了那本來是說6月就會到位\n193641\t210597\t其實我6月還沒有現在到7月現在最後面說8月那你們給我們個確切時間什麼時候到位那第二個來講就是說我們什麼時候這筆補助大概是多少的金額那至少讓我們知道說我們交通部有拿出實質的誠意去解決國道客運的問題\n214841\t230074\t我先這樣講我代表基隆的民意代表講這句話但是同樣的問題也發生在桃園甚至新北也被影響到所以這個是TPASS在北北基整個交通上面所交通部所希望也應該做出的補助請回答\n232842\t252657\t相關的先跟委員報告就是缺司機這個部分目前已經有幾個措施在進行比如說我們把駕駛的那個年紀從65歲提高到68歲讓有更多人可以來擔任那第二個有相關的一些加薪的措施目前平均大概每個駕駛大概有加薪5000塊月薪\n254218\t254418\t李沛祥議員\n271448\t292015\t大概增加了將近2900多位的駕駛那另外有關桃園基隆這7條比較特殊的這個國道那目前有一些正在研擬特殊的一個協助的方式因為確實他的運量離峰跟尖峰有很大的落差那細節我是不是請我們局長跟您報告一下\n292715\t301621\t跟委員報告反映業者實質營運的成本國道科運交通部已經合併在今年5月1日調漲他們的運價因為TPASS是補助票價的差額所以目前業者要去公告提升的因為像我們TPASS是全額做補貼\n317631\t317671\t主席\n336867\t355551\t業者的營運成本的話接受這個我們的補貼像三排座的話就是說大概就是這個整個營運的成本這個我們的補貼是在接近百分之二十那四排座大概是百分之五局長你們直接跟我們講說這次的補貼整個補助會大概是會有多少這個金額大概大約是多少\n360024\t363766\t國道客運整個運價調整一年會增加6億元補貼經費基隆、臺北的尖峰性非常強補貼跟一般國道客運運價的補貼不一樣還會再加成\n387375\t388696\t人均公里補助會提供多少?\n402785\t425287\t這個部分的話 因為這個它的像基隆台北這邊的話就是說它會比我們5月1日合定的運價大概還會再增加2到6成左右我在這邊就直接把事情講因為局長也知道本溪長期關心我們的國道客運那尤其是不管是平面跟高速公路上面的補助其實是不一樣的\n425948\t446513\t那我在這邊強烈建議就是說在人均公里補助的時候如果能的話建議一次補齊如果能夠到5塊台幣5塊的話人均公里補助如果能到台幣5塊的話我認為一次可以反映所有的成本而且跟甚至有關這個通貨膨脹另外一方面來講就是說你這樣子可以讓業者會願意來進來去經營這些辛苦的路線\n452014\t456657\t平面道路補貼目前有計畫43塊提高到46塊明年才會進行計畫平面路段部分去年已經核定了什麼時候實施去年5月份已經實施了平面路段現在是45塊85嗎\n477431\t503616\t對對現在已經到45塊85差不多OK好那另外一點就是所謂的養量計畫也就是剛剛部長有提到的7條我記得本來是我記得看到資料是6條不過7條客運路線的話我知道一年好像將近是300萬對某條某個路線的這些這些有需要但是會經營困難的路線來去做補助那本席認為說如果只定期為3年的養量計畫基本上這些這幾條路線都不用養量\n504316\t524936\t這幾條路線量都很大不管是基隆到台北還是桃園到台北量其實都很大而局長你知道我講哪幾條路線所以說與其是這樣講倒不如說一個補助必要性國道客運的補助變成是一個常態性補助簡稱叫補幣因為這些路線必須要在不然的話這些路線他太多人去搭乘\n525276\t547049\t如果這些沒有搭乘這些路線的話我們至少我保守估計至少多1000台車從基隆跟桃園上高速公路來做搭乘那這樣對我們目前的高速公路會有更大的影響那最後一點是我這邊就直接跟幫我們先祥委員講話基隆市目前最大的客運路線叫做1815我想局長很清楚\n547969\t566677\t這條路線不是只有在基隆人也包括金山萬里的鄉親主要都是靠這條路線到台北不過呢因為最近1815的量太大已經大到無法負荷不能是說我們常常聽到基隆跟新北的鄉親我們在場說我們能不能說去誰能夠搭車先誰先排隊\n567937\t595638\t讓我在這邊見請我們公路局然後請國光客運然後在1815上面直接試開一班直接從1815經過台北市之後直接到萬里金山我知道現在有直接到萬里可是有經過基隆市可是直接越過基隆市試開一班越過基隆市直接到萬里跟金山到法鼓山這個路線看是否能夠有效的把這個那個運量給疏散掉\n596918\t613066\t這是我的建議這個部分的話我記得有在討論我確認一下他們是不是什麼時候要實施因為確實就是說他有一些部分的話可能是需要做一些可能挑戰的一個我剛剛提議的這些不管是運量上面的補價也好還是說還是說那個養量計畫的常態性或者1815的事情\n621592\t636351\t這些問題都會實質上對我們的國道科運有幫助而國道科運是我們在TPASS裡面在基隆這一環裡面受惠最多的人那我希望說部長也好然後我們局長也好能夠認真把本期的本期剛剛進言納入考量以上\n636932\t637852\t我覺得這一點TPASS對民眾是好事可是\n664622\t664742\t主席\n","txt":"有請部長 跟我們 請部長 公路局局長 請陳局長\n部長 局長針對TPASS這個政策本席是給予高度的肯定但是老實說我也覺得因為TPASS的上路我有點失望 有點困惑為什麼這樣說 因為我會認為現在的TPASS嚴格講起來是對基隆的民眾甚至對大台北的民眾有點於不掩霞實質上來講這是現在TPASS之後服務品質不但不足反而變更差\n那我們現在看到的這些都是目前我想局長都很清楚可能部長第一次看到這全部都是在臺北等車等國道客運的基隆人那每天都是這樣的狀況這是白天上班這是一邊是白天上班一邊是晚上下班變成是說造成我們這些已經從這樣的狀況已經持續了至少3年以上基本上來講越來尤其是TPASS上路之後是越來越嚴重\n原因其實很特別就是因為我們都知道司機繼續缺工但是呢\n班次因為人數的增加又因為司機的缺工所以反而更開不出來我記得沒有錯我最近這半年沒有去調資料因為每個月搭乘用TPASS搭乘國道客運的人數都在增加甚至以前我記得是約略每天有3萬5千名基隆人搭乘這個國道客運來台北上班上課現在應該已經突破4萬人以上\n那這樣的一個大型的人潮那他們當他們這個上班沒有辦法準時上班明明要趕9點的班他們必須6點就6點6點半就已經出門那晚上明明5點半已經下了班他們到家時間是8點8點半那本席身為基隆的民意代表本席是感到非常的心痛\n甚至這樣講今天我也看到交通運營所的所長在這邊對吧我們也都知道基隆到台北這一段跟台北到桃園這一段在上班時間都是最困難的時候\n本席有針對下面5點來請教我們交通部也順便做出建議\n第一個 從我2月1號一上任之後我就一直請我們交通部研擬所謂的國道客運的補助請問什麼時候到位那請問這個金額大概是多少因為我從的時候5月的時候最後王部長要離開的時候說已經核定了不要擔心已經核定了那本來是說6月就會到位\n其實我6月還沒有現在到7月現在最後面說8月那你們給我們個確切時間什麼時候到位那第二個來講就是說我們什麼時候這筆補助大概是多少的金額那至少讓我們知道說我們交通部有拿出實質的誠意去解決國道客運的問題\n我先這樣講我代表基隆的民意代表講這句話但是同樣的問題也發生在桃園甚至新北也被影響到所以這個是TPASS在北北基整個交通上面所交通部所希望也應該做出的補助請回答\n相關的先跟委員報告就是缺司機這個部分目前已經有幾個措施在進行比如說我們把駕駛的那個年紀從65歲提高到68歲讓有更多人可以來擔任那第二個有相關的一些加薪的措施目前平均大概每個駕駛大概有加薪5000塊月薪\n李沛祥議員\n大概增加了將近2900多位的駕駛那另外有關桃園基隆這7條比較特殊的這個國道那目前有一些正在研擬特殊的一個協助的方式因為確實他的運量離峰跟尖峰有很大的落差那細節我是不是請我們局長跟您報告一下\n跟委員報告反映業者實質營運的成本國道科運交通部已經合併在今年5月1日調漲他們的運價因為TPASS是補助票價的差額所以目前業者要去公告提升的因為像我們TPASS是全額做補貼\n主席\n業者的營運成本的話接受這個我們的補貼像三排座的話就是說大概就是這個整個營運的成本這個我們的補貼是在接近百分之二十那四排座大概是百分之五局長你們直接跟我們講說這次的補貼整個補助會大概是會有多少這個金額大概大約是多少\n國道客運整個運價調整一年會增加6億元補貼經費基隆、臺北的尖峰性非常強補貼跟一般國道客運運價的補貼不一樣還會再加成\n人均公里補助會提供多少?\n這個部分的話 因為這個它的像基隆台北這邊的話就是說它會比我們5月1日合定的運價大概還會再增加2到6成左右我在這邊就直接把事情講因為局長也知道本溪長期關心我們的國道客運那尤其是不管是平面跟高速公路上面的補助其實是不一樣的\n那我在這邊強烈建議就是說在人均公里補助的時候如果能的話建議一次補齊如果能夠到5塊台幣5塊的話人均公里補助如果能到台幣5塊的話我認為一次可以反映所有的成本而且跟甚至有關這個通貨膨脹另外一方面來講就是說你這樣子可以讓業者會願意來進來去經營這些辛苦的路線\n平面道路補貼目前有計畫43塊提高到46塊明年才會進行計畫平面路段部分去年已經核定了什麼時候實施去年5月份已經實施了平面路段現在是45塊85嗎\n對對現在已經到45塊85差不多OK好那另外一點就是所謂的養量計畫也就是剛剛部長有提到的7條我記得本來是我記得看到資料是6條不過7條客運路線的話我知道一年好像將近是300萬對某條某個路線的這些這些有需要但是會經營困難的路線來去做補助那本席認為說如果只定期為3年的養量計畫基本上這些這幾條路線都不用養量\n這幾條路線量都很大不管是基隆到台北還是桃園到台北量其實都很大而局長你知道我講哪幾條路線所以說與其是這樣講倒不如說一個補助必要性國道客運的補助變成是一個常態性補助簡稱叫補幣因為這些路線必須要在不然的話這些路線他太多人去搭乘\n如果這些沒有搭乘這些路線的話我們至少我保守估計至少多1000台車從基隆跟桃園上高速公路來做搭乘那這樣對我們目前的高速公路會有更大的影響那最後一點是我這邊就直接跟幫我們先祥委員講話基隆市目前最大的客運路線叫做1815我想局長很清楚\n這條路線不是只有在基隆人也包括金山萬里的鄉親主要都是靠這條路線到台北不過呢因為最近1815的量太大已經大到無法負荷不能是說我們常常聽到基隆跟新北的鄉親我們在場說我們能不能說去誰能夠搭車先誰先排隊\n讓我在這邊見請我們公路局然後請國光客運然後在1815上面直接試開一班直接從1815經過台北市之後直接到萬里金山我知道現在有直接到萬里可是有經過基隆市可是直接越過基隆市試開一班越過基隆市直接到萬里跟金山到法鼓山這個路線看是否能夠有效的把這個那個運量給疏散掉\n這是我的建議這個部分的話我記得有在討論我確認一下他們是不是什麼時候要實施因為確實就是說他有一些部分的話可能是需要做一些可能挑戰的一個我剛剛提議的這些不管是運量上面的補價也好還是說還是說那個養量計畫的常態性或者1815的事情\n這些問題都會實質上對我們的國道科運有幫助而國道科運是我們在TPASS裡面在基隆這一環裡面受惠最多的人那我希望說部長也好然後我們局長也好能夠認真把本期的本期剛剛進言納入考量以上\n我覺得這一點TPASS對民眾是好事可是\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.959 --> 00:08.123\n有請部長跟我們請部長公路局局長請陳局長\n\n00:18.769 --> 00:46.371\n部長局長針對TPASS這個政策本席是給予高度的肯定但是老實說我也覺得因為TPASS的上路我有點失望有點困惑為什麼這樣說因為我會認為現在的TPASS嚴格講起來是對基隆的民眾甚至對大台北的民眾有點於不掩霞實質上來講這是現在TPASS之後服務品質不但不足反而變更差\n\n00:47.131 --> 01:13.916\n那我們現在看到的這些都是目前我想局長都很清楚可能部長第一次看到這全部都是在臺北等車等國道客運的基隆人那每天都是這樣的狀況這是白天上班這是一邊是白天上班一邊是晚上下班變成是說造成我們這些已經從這樣的狀況已經持續了至少3年以上基本上來講越來尤其是TPASS上路之後是越來越嚴重\n\n01:15.456 --> 01:21.004\n原因其實很特別就是因為我們都知道司機繼續缺工但是呢\n\n01:22.725 --> 01:49.971\n班次因為人數的增加又因為司機的缺工所以反而更開不出來我記得沒有錯我最近這半年沒有去調資料因為每個月搭乘用TPASS搭乘國道客運的人數都在增加甚至以前我記得是約略每天有3萬5千名基隆人搭乘這個國道客運來台北上班上課現在應該已經突破4萬人以上\n\n01:50.771 --> 02:11.429\n那這樣的一個大型的人潮那他們當他們這個上班沒有辦法準時上班明明要趕9點的班他們必須6點就6點6點半就已經出門那晚上明明5點半已經下了班他們到家時間是8點8點半那本席身為基隆的民意代表本席是感到非常的心痛\n\n02:12.730 --> 02:28.033\n甚至這樣講今天我也看到交通運營所的所長在這邊對吧我們也都知道基隆到台北這一段跟台北到桃園這一段在上班時間都是最困難的時候\n\n02:28.513 --> 02:30.114\n本席有針對下面5點來請教我們交通部也順便做出建議\n\n02:50.521 --> 03:13.041\n第一個從我2月1號一上任之後我就一直請我們交通部研擬所謂的國道客運的補助請問什麼時候到位那請問這個金額大概是多少因為我從的時候5月的時候最後王部長要離開的時候說已經核定了不要擔心已經核定了那本來是說6月就會到位\n\n03:13.641 --> 03:30.597\n其實我6月還沒有現在到7月現在最後面說8月那你們給我們個確切時間什麼時候到位那第二個來講就是說我們什麼時候這筆補助大概是多少的金額那至少讓我們知道說我們交通部有拿出實質的誠意去解決國道客運的問題\n\n03:34.841 --> 03:50.074\n我先這樣講我代表基隆的民意代表講這句話但是同樣的問題也發生在桃園甚至新北也被影響到所以這個是TPASS在北北基整個交通上面所交通部所希望也應該做出的補助請回答\n\n03:52.842 --> 04:12.657\n相關的先跟委員報告就是缺司機這個部分目前已經有幾個措施在進行比如說我們把駕駛的那個年紀從65歲提高到68歲讓有更多人可以來擔任那第二個有相關的一些加薪的措施目前平均大概每個駕駛大概有加薪5000塊月薪\n\n04:14.218 --> 04:14.418\n李沛祥議員\n\n04:31.448 --> 04:52.015\n大概增加了將近2900多位的駕駛那另外有關桃園基隆這7條比較特殊的這個國道那目前有一些正在研擬特殊的一個協助的方式因為確實他的運量離峰跟尖峰有很大的落差那細節我是不是請我們局長跟您報告一下\n\n04:52.715 --> 05:01.621\n跟委員報告反映業者實質營運的成本國道科運交通部已經合併在今年5月1日調漲他們的運價因為TPASS是補助票價的差額所以目前業者要去公告提升的因為像我們TPASS是全額做補貼\n\n05:17.631 --> 05:17.671\n主席\n\n05:36.867 --> 05:55.551\n業者的營運成本的話接受這個我們的補貼像三排座的話就是說大概就是這個整個營運的成本這個我們的補貼是在接近百分之二十那四排座大概是百分之五局長你們直接跟我們講說這次的補貼整個補助會大概是會有多少這個金額大概大約是多少\n\n06:00.024 --> 06:03.766\n國道客運整個運價調整一年會增加6億元補貼經費基隆、臺北的尖峰性非常強補貼跟一般國道客運運價的補貼不一樣還會再加成\n\n06:27.375 --> 06:28.696\n人均公里補助會提供多少?\n\n06:42.785 --> 07:05.287\n這個部分的話因為這個它的像基隆台北這邊的話就是說它會比我們5月1日合定的運價大概還會再增加2到6成左右我在這邊就直接把事情講因為局長也知道本溪長期關心我們的國道客運那尤其是不管是平面跟高速公路上面的補助其實是不一樣的\n\n07:05.948 --> 07:26.513\n那我在這邊強烈建議就是說在人均公里補助的時候如果能的話建議一次補齊如果能夠到5塊台幣5塊的話人均公里補助如果能到台幣5塊的話我認為一次可以反映所有的成本而且跟甚至有關這個通貨膨脹另外一方面來講就是說你這樣子可以讓業者會願意來進來去經營這些辛苦的路線\n\n07:32.014 --> 07:36.657\n平面道路補貼目前有計畫43塊提高到46塊明年才會進行計畫平面路段部分去年已經核定了什麼時候實施去年5月份已經實施了平面路段現在是45塊85嗎\n\n07:57.431 --> 08:23.616\n對對現在已經到45塊85差不多OK好那另外一點就是所謂的養量計畫也就是剛剛部長有提到的7條我記得本來是我記得看到資料是6條不過7條客運路線的話我知道一年好像將近是300萬對某條某個路線的這些這些有需要但是會經營困難的路線來去做補助那本席認為說如果只定期為3年的養量計畫基本上這些這幾條路線都不用養量\n\n08:24.316 --> 08:44.936\n這幾條路線量都很大不管是基隆到台北還是桃園到台北量其實都很大而局長你知道我講哪幾條路線所以說與其是這樣講倒不如說一個補助必要性國道客運的補助變成是一個常態性補助簡稱叫補幣因為這些路線必須要在不然的話這些路線他太多人去搭乘\n\n08:45.276 --> 09:07.049\n如果這些沒有搭乘這些路線的話我們至少我保守估計至少多1000台車從基隆跟桃園上高速公路來做搭乘那這樣對我們目前的高速公路會有更大的影響那最後一點是我這邊就直接跟幫我們先祥委員講話基隆市目前最大的客運路線叫做1815我想局長很清楚\n\n09:07.969 --> 09:26.677\n這條路線不是只有在基隆人也包括金山萬里的鄉親主要都是靠這條路線到台北不過呢因為最近1815的量太大已經大到無法負荷不能是說我們常常聽到基隆跟新北的鄉親我們在場說我們能不能說去誰能夠搭車先誰先排隊\n\n09:27.937 --> 09:55.638\n讓我在這邊見請我們公路局然後請國光客運然後在1815上面直接試開一班直接從1815經過台北市之後直接到萬里金山我知道現在有直接到萬里可是有經過基隆市可是直接越過基隆市試開一班越過基隆市直接到萬里跟金山到法鼓山這個路線看是否能夠有效的把這個那個運量給疏散掉\n\n09:56.918 --> 10:13.066\n這是我的建議這個部分的話我記得有在討論我確認一下他們是不是什麼時候要實施因為確實就是說他有一些部分的話可能是需要做一些可能挑戰的一個我剛剛提議的這些不管是運量上面的補價也好還是說還是說那個養量計畫的常態性或者1815的事情\n\n10:21.592 --> 10:36.351\n這些問題都會實質上對我們的國道科運有幫助而國道科運是我們在TPASS裡面在基隆這一環裡面受惠最多的人那我希望說部長也好然後我們局長也好能夠認真把本期的本期剛剛進言納入考量以上\n\n10:36.932 --> 10:37.852\n我覺得這一點TPASS對民眾是好事可是\n\n11:04.622 --> 11:04.742\n主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.959,"end":8.123,"text":"有請部長 跟我們 請部長 公路局局長 請陳局長"},{"start":18.769,"end":46.371,"text":"部長 局長針對TPASS這個政策本席是給予高度的肯定但是老實說我也覺得因為TPASS的上路我有點失望 有點困惑為什麼這樣說 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因為這個它的像基隆台北這邊的話就是說它會比我們5月1日合定的運價大概還會再增加2到6成左右我在這邊就直接把事情講因為局長也知道本溪長期關心我們的國道客運那尤其是不管是平面跟高速公路上面的補助其實是不一樣的"},{"start":425.948,"end":446.513,"text":"那我在這邊強烈建議就是說在人均公里補助的時候如果能的話建議一次補齊如果能夠到5塊台幣5塊的話人均公里補助如果能到台幣5塊的話我認為一次可以反映所有的成本而且跟甚至有關這個通貨膨脹另外一方面來講就是說你這樣子可以讓業者會願意來進來去經營這些辛苦的路線"},{"start":452.014,"end":456.657,"text":"平面道路補貼目前有計畫43塊提高到46塊明年才會進行計畫平面路段部分去年已經核定了什麼時候實施去年5月份已經實施了平面路段現在是45塊85嗎"},{"start":477.431,"end":503.616,"text":"對對現在已經到45塊85差不多OK好那另外一點就是所謂的養量計畫也就是剛剛部長有提到的7條我記得本來是我記得看到資料是6條不過7條客運路線的話我知道一年好像將近是300萬對某條某個路線的這些這些有需要但是會經營困難的路線來去做補助那本席認為說如果只定期為3年的養量計畫基本上這些這幾條路線都不用養量"},{"start":504.316,"end":524.936,"text":"這幾條路線量都很大不管是基隆到台北還是桃園到台北量其實都很大而局長你知道我講哪幾條路線所以說與其是這樣講倒不如說一個補助必要性國道客運的補助變成是一個常態性補助簡稱叫補幣因為這些路線必須要在不然的話這些路線他太多人去搭乘"},{"start":525.276,"end":547.049,"text":"如果這些沒有搭乘這些路線的話我們至少我保守估計至少多1000台車從基隆跟桃園上高速公路來做搭乘那這樣對我們目前的高速公路會有更大的影響那最後一點是我這邊就直接跟幫我們先祥委員講話基隆市目前最大的客運路線叫做1815我想局長很清楚"},{"start":547.969,"end":566.677,"text":"這條路線不是只有在基隆人也包括金山萬里的鄉親主要都是靠這條路線到台北不過呢因為最近1815的量太大已經大到無法負荷不能是說我們常常聽到基隆跟新北的鄉親我們在場說我們能不能說去誰能夠搭車先誰先排隊"},{"start":567.937,"end":595.638,"text":"讓我在這邊見請我們公路局然後請國光客運然後在1815上面直接試開一班直接從1815經過台北市之後直接到萬里金山我知道現在有直接到萬里可是有經過基隆市可是直接越過基隆市試開一班越過基隆市直接到萬里跟金山到法鼓山這個路線看是否能夠有效的把這個那個運量給疏散掉"},{"start":596.918,"end":613.066,"text":"這是我的建議這個部分的話我記得有在討論我確認一下他們是不是什麼時候要實施因為確實就是說他有一些部分的話可能是需要做一些可能挑戰的一個我剛剛提議的這些不管是運量上面的補價也好還是說還是說那個養量計畫的常態性或者1815的事情"},{"start":621.592,"end":636.351,"text":"這些問題都會實質上對我們的國道科運有幫助而國道科運是我們在TPASS裡面在基隆這一環裡面受惠最多的人那我希望說部長也好然後我們局長也好能夠認真把本期的本期剛剛進言納入考量以上"},{"start":636.932,"end":637.852,"text":"我覺得這一點TPASS對民眾是好事可是"},{"start":664.622,"end":664.742,"text":"主席"}]}}}}