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00:01:34,905\n一般人是599台東跟屏東是399那5月1號調整之後台東跟屏東的這個票價還是399嗎來說明一下調整到499調整到499喔399調整到499也調整了100塊那\n\n5\n00:01:42,847 --> 00:02:06,888\n全票的部分從2021年的1999到2022年的599現在到5月1號調整為699那當初這個藍皮捷運號他其實不只是藍皮捷運號他是跟明日號明日廚房同樣的都是出租給旅行社那我要提醒這個\n\n6\n00:02:08,410 --> 00:02:37,000\n局長這個票價調整台鐵有跟他們討論嗎有他們要提出他們的方案以後我們公司會做審核他們最主要的方案應該就是說因為他們的薪水有調整或是說他們藍皮9號有相關的贈品這些贈品的票價也調整這些價格也調整但是這個調整的幅度是高了一點我還是要提醒杜董事長\n\n7\n00:02:39,042 --> 00:03:03,880\n最主要是說因為他的名字號是賺錢的是很賺錢的尤其是在疫情期間因為國人出國比較困難所以他真的是一票難求疫情期間就算現在疫情和緩他平日也應該都有八成左右的搭乘量是不是所以說部長跟局長我要提醒就是說我們客運\n\n8\n00:03:05,629 --> 00:03:05,729\n李昆澤\n\n9\n00:03:21,861 --> 00:03:22,862\n接下來就討論TPASS的問題\n\n10\n00:03:43,584 --> 00:04:01,088\nTPASS問題我看我們在2023年的7月啟用其實到今年的6月30號為止搭乘的人次已經達到5.74億人次那累計有768萬8千人的人次購買TPASS的這個相關的這個優惠那其實\n\n11\n00:04:11,138 --> 00:04:27,495\n部長我要提醒你,我們搭乘的人次沒有增加,還減少。今年一至四月的搭乘總人次,對比2019年的同期,就是一至四月,整體減少了,就是所有的載具,減少了9.1\n\n12\n00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:47,903\n其實台鐵還有維吾的成長大概維吾成長0.2高雄捷運也大概有成長這樣的13%的左右台北捷運反而是下跌的台北捷運下降了5.3%那機車客運減少了20.5%市區客運減少18.5%公路客運減少了37.3%\n\n13\n00:04:55,802 --> 00:04:55,922\n為什麼?來說明一下\n\n14\n00:05:22,754 --> 00:05:37,470\n委員跟您報告就是大概從實施以來到6月為止平均大概每月購買人數大概是64萬那累計是到768萬那最高峰的是在去年的10月大概71萬\n\n15\n00:05:38,951 --> 00:05:39,011\n李昆澤\n\n16\n00:05:55,516 --> 00:05:56,258\n公共運輸的這些通勤者\n\n17\n00:06:09,687 --> 00:06:22,834\n他是衰退他也不是現在才發生這是一個交通公共運輸的重要問題的趨勢就是說2019年的時候還有48.22023年下降成39.3然後交通部在2022年也有相關的調查報告公共運輸的市佔率2009年還有16.3到2022年變成14.3都是有下降的然後我\n\n18\n00:06:39,537 --> 00:07:05,286\n我們必須要來面對這個問題來部長您說明一下有一些細節我是不是請局長請陳局長來跟委員報告確實因為三年的疫情其實這個整個公共運輸的這個使用量其實是一直在衰退所以在TPASS的這個加入之後的話其實是一直將這個以前衰退三年疫情的衰退的你的意思是說本來會衰退的更嚴重\n\n19\n00:07:05,626 --> 00:07:06,306\n公共運輸是遠遠的落後其他的國家\n\n20\n00:07:27,233 --> 00:07:34,077\n你看我們的公共運輸的市佔率臺灣整體是18.2日本是36%英國是36%然後亞洲各大城市的對比臺北是37.2臺北算高的臺北37.2香港是87新加坡是86東京是84首爾是57\n\n21\n00:07:53,226 --> 00:08:09,223\n差很大耶!差很大耶!所以說部長我們的責任很大的啦!責任很大啦!這個公共運輸的必須要提升它的市佔率嘛!我們剛才我們的推動公共運輸當然有五項指標啦!\n\n22\n00:08:10,364 --> 00:08:31,897\n價格要可以負擔、私人載具的成本與障礙我們要公共運輸價格比較可以負擔道路的建設、交通網的密度也要提升速度通勤的時間要能夠更縮短舒適度、票務系統的方便度、電子化的方便度轉乘的方便度還有安全跟環境的影響\n\n23\n00:08:33,595 --> 00:08:59,540\n這都是很重要的指標來說明一下是我想確實台灣的公共運輸還有很大的成長空間包括像入網的建設密度還有票務的方便性等等還有可負擔的程度我想這個部分我們會持續的來努力來推動增加入網的密度包括捷運的建設公車入網的建置還有票證的整合\n\n24\n00:09:02,262 --> 00:09:23,119\n時間的關係我有簡單的幾項建議第一個在票物的價格方面我們應該要以提升服務品質以及安全性這是首要的目標那我們要以良好的服務品質來帶動運載量的上升那改善財務狀況如果你一昧的調高票價\n\n25\n00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:38,209\n他是會導致搭乘意願更低的惡性循環交通部要提供必要的協助這我也說給杜董事長聽你藍皮幾號越來越貴現在699不吃你借三這票價太高了\n\n26\n00:09:45,934 --> 00:09:55,519\n交通網密度不足問題必須面對以區域概念推動區域交通建設中南部地區公共運輸系統建設不足\n\n27\n00:09:58,456 --> 00:09:58,516\n李昆澤\n\n28\n00:10:18,735 --> 00:10:43,885\n提高這個接駁轉稱的密度來推動票務及系統的整合來提高這個公共運輸的便利性然後我們要全面盤點各項的交通系統的整合及安全性的問題來進行改善提高民眾公共運輸的信賴度部長我還是要提醒你我們對公共運輸的市佔率\n\n29\n00:10:46,315 --> 00:11:14,203\n這個是很重要的工作啦我不太能接受陳局長所說的如果沒有TPASS這個市佔率會衰退得更嚴重阿我們好家宅,我們有TPASS,讓我們的這個衰退沒那麼嚴重本來要送加護病房,現在是住一般病房大家應該要給交通部下落,這是不對的因為整體來說我們的衰退以國內自己來比較這兩三年來是逐漸的下降\n\n30\n00:11:15,202 --> 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他們要提出他們的方案以後我們公司會做審核他們最主要的方案應該就是說因為他們的薪水有調整或是說他們藍皮9號有相關的贈品這些贈品的票價也調整這些價格也調整但是這個調整的幅度是高了一點我還是要提醒杜董事長\n最主要是說因為他的名字號是賺錢的是很賺錢的尤其是在疫情期間因為國人出國比較困難所以他真的是一票難求疫情期間就算現在疫情和緩他平日也應該都有八成左右的搭乘量是不是所以說部長跟局長我要提醒就是說我們客運\n李昆澤\n接下來就討論TPASS的問題\nTPASS問題我看我們在2023年的7月啟用其實到今年的6月30號為止搭乘的人次已經達到5.74億人次那累計有768萬8千人的人次購買TPASS的這個相關的這個優惠那其實\n部長我要提醒你,我們搭乘的人次沒有增加,還減少。今年一至四月的搭乘總人次,對比2019年的同期,就是一至四月,整體減少了,就是所有的載具,減少了9.1\n其實台鐵還有維吾的成長大概維吾成長0.2高雄捷運也大概有成長這樣的13%的左右台北捷運反而是下跌的台北捷運下降了5.3%那機車客運減少了20.5%市區客運減少18.5%公路客運減少了37.3%\n為什麼?來說明一下\n委員跟您報告就是大概從實施以來到6月為止平均大概每月購買人數大概是64萬那累計是到768萬那最高峰的是在去年的10月大概71萬\n李昆澤\n公共運輸的這些通勤者\n他是衰退他也不是現在才發生這是一個交通公共運輸的重要問題的趨勢就是說2019年的時候還有48.22023年下降成39.3然後交通部在2022年也有相關的調查報告公共運輸的市佔率2009年還有16.3到2022年變成14.3都是有下降的然後我\n我們必須要來面對這個問題來部長您說明一下有一些細節我是不是請局長請陳局長來跟委員報告確實因為三年的疫情其實這個整個公共運輸的這個使用量其實是一直在衰退所以在TPASS的這個加入之後的話其實是一直將這個以前衰退三年疫情的衰退的你的意思是說本來會衰退的更嚴重\n公共運輸是遠遠的落後其他的國家\n你看我們的公共運輸的市佔率臺灣整體是18.2日本是36%英國是36%然後亞洲各大城市的對比臺北是37.2臺北算高的臺北37.2香港是87新加坡是86東京是84首爾是57\n差很大耶!差很大耶!所以說部長我們的責任很大的啦!責任很大啦!這個公共運輸的必須要提升它的市佔率嘛!我們剛才我們的推動公共運輸當然有五項指標啦!\n價格要可以負擔、私人載具的成本與障礙我們要公共運輸價格比較可以負擔道路的建設、交通網的密度也要提升速度通勤的時間要能夠更縮短舒適度、票務系統的方便度、電子化的方便度轉乘的方便度還有安全跟環境的影響\n這都是很重要的指標來說明一下是我想確實台灣的公共運輸還有很大的成長空間包括像入網的建設密度還有票務的方便性等等還有可負擔的程度我想這個部分我們會持續的來努力來推動增加入網的密度包括捷運的建設公車入網的建置還有票證的整合\n時間的關係我有簡單的幾項建議第一個在票物的價格方面我們應該要以提升服務品質以及安全性這是首要的目標那我們要以良好的服務品質來帶動運載量的上升那改善財務狀況如果你一昧的調高票價\n他是會導致搭乘意願更低的惡性循環 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02:37.000\n局長這個票價調整台鐵有跟他們討論嗎有他們要提出他們的方案以後我們公司會做審核他們最主要的方案應該就是說因為他們的薪水有調整或是說他們藍皮9號有相關的贈品這些贈品的票價也調整這些價格也調整但是這個調整的幅度是高了一點我還是要提醒杜董事長\n\n02:39.042 --> 03:03.880\n最主要是說因為他的名字號是賺錢的是很賺錢的尤其是在疫情期間因為國人出國比較困難所以他真的是一票難求疫情期間就算現在疫情和緩他平日也應該都有八成左右的搭乘量是不是所以說部長跟局長我要提醒就是說我們客運\n\n03:05.629 --> 03:05.729\n李昆澤\n\n03:21.861 --> 03:22.862\n接下來就討論TPASS的問題\n\n03:43.584 --> 04:01.088\nTPASS問題我看我們在2023年的7月啟用其實到今年的6月30號為止搭乘的人次已經達到5.74億人次那累計有768萬8千人的人次購買TPASS的這個相關的這個優惠那其實\n\n04:11.138 --> 04:27.495\n部長我要提醒你,我們搭乘的人次沒有增加,還減少。今年一至四月的搭乘總人次,對比2019年的同期,就是一至四月,整體減少了,就是所有的載具,減少了9.1\n\n04:30.519 --> 04:47.903\n其實台鐵還有維吾的成長大概維吾成長0.2高雄捷運也大概有成長這樣的13%的左右台北捷運反而是下跌的台北捷運下降了5.3%那機車客運減少了20.5%市區客運減少18.5%公路客運減少了37.3%\n\n04:55.802 --> 04:55.922\n為什麼?來說明一下\n\n05:22.754 --> 05:37.470\n委員跟您報告就是大概從實施以來到6月為止平均大概每月購買人數大概是64萬那累計是到768萬那最高峰的是在去年的10月大概71萬\n\n05:38.951 --> 05:39.011\n李昆澤\n\n05:55.516 --> 05:56.258\n公共運輸的這些通勤者\n\n06:09.687 --> 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