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00:03:26,715\n成長的這個公共運輸的使用率那我們要那包括剛剛我們趙薇講的我們的疫情指揮中心事態的時候解散的\n\n10\n00:03:28,154 --> 00:03:56,491\n是在2023年的5月1號也就是在我們這一次的統計數據跟上一次的統計數據之間我們一起中間去做解散那在疫情中心解散了之後疫情的影響降低之後那包括公共運輸入網的一個完善自行車案完善導致我們的運量上升那要把這些運量上升的結果通通歸功於我們TPASS的一個月票的推出我認為這有點自我感覺良好\n\n11\n00:03:57,031 --> 00:04:25,655\n就比如說我們在考量到我們餐廳的一個業績好了我們可以說我們今年餐廳業績跟疫情期間業績我們暴增了10倍那你認為這樣子統計數據有意義嗎?它有許多不同的客觀因素那包括疫情也是一個很大的一個因素因此我認為剛剛我們李孟哲召委特別提出來疫情前跟疫情後的公共運輸的一個數據的一個比較它才是有意義的\n\n12\n00:04:26,892 --> 00:04:54,070\n以阪南縣來講我們應該要拿疫情前阪南縣的使用人數使用率來跟疫情後阪南縣或者是淡水縣的使用人數來比他才是有意義的啊因為我們並沒有做路線的變換我們並沒有政策上面的改變我們也排除掉疫情導致我們力量降低先蹲後跳的一個成長的因素啊那我們確實如剛剛我們的李昆哲教委講的在疫情前\n\n13\n00:04:55,307 --> 00:05:10,682\n的使用率跟我們疫情後的大眾使用率來相比我們推出了TPASS之後反而使用率還降低了這在剛剛的答詢之中你們並沒有回答出你們的一些檢討原因我們這部分可不可以先針對這部分來做一個說明\n\n14\n00:05:11,583 --> 00:05:39,183\n跟委員報告,就是當然大眾運輸的使用因素的這個升或降有很多種因素,譬如說可能疫情的考量,人不希望季節,那另外譬如說UBIKE恢復30分鐘的免費,還有譬如說入網的比較健全,新增的入網我想都會增加使用率,那不過從TPASS實施後確實像臺北捷運它的運量是增加了11.26,那桃園\n\n15\n00:05:41,305 --> 00:05:41,425\n陶傑增加68.1%\n\n16\n00:06:05,854 --> 00:06:12,898\n臺中捷運是增加31.7%不過這個數字當然委員建議說可不可以跟疫情前再做比較我只是希望推出這個政策我想不會有民意代表反對畢竟他就是一個傻錢\n\n17\n00:06:31,607 --> 00:06:31,867\n李孟諺主席\n\n18\n00:06:50,234 --> 00:06:50,254\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n19\n00:07:20,955 --> 00:07:34,815\n提供一些我個人搭乘大眾運輸的體驗因為台灣的公共運輸跟國外比確實價格是便宜非常的多所以許多的民眾其實他在乎的不一定是價格許多民眾在乎的是搭乘的舒適度\n\n20\n00:07:36,041 --> 00:07:58,033\n我不知道部長最近有沒有機會看到搭公車的民眾因為公車司機的缺顏導致班次減少到每個民眾搭乘公車的時候跟擠沙丁一樣他是非常不好的乘車的體驗每一個人在是否選擇公共運輸的時候可能會有不同的原因有的人選因為價格有的人是因為舒適度\n\n21\n00:07:59,538 --> 00:07:59,678\n主席\n\n22\n00:08:21,677 --> 00:08:40,773\n兩個面向我們交通部願意補助我們搭乘的民眾我當然覺得很好但是我們也希望能夠提升我們大眾運輸的搭乘的一個品質包括上禮拜搭台鐵來我們立院我差點遲到因為第一班我擠不上去啊第二班我是硬擠貼在門上我才搭過來啊這就是搭乘體驗嘛\n\n23\n00:08:41,914 --> 00:09:08,639\n那我們唯有雙管齊下我們在搭乘體驗的部分也同步的來做提升我相信才能夠提升我們民眾使用大眾運輸的一個使用率那我希望我們所有的統計的資料不要用美化後對自己有利的一個統計資料來做呈現而已一定往後希望相關的數據都能夠把疫情前的數據來跟疫情後的數據來做比較我相信這才會比較有意義\n\n24\n00:09:09,580 --> 00:09:15,917\n我們會虛心來面對那有很多待改善的譬如說該提升品質的我們也會來努力好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝局長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5056\t10474\t謝謝召委幫我要請我們的部長跟我們的陳局長陳局長\n17728\t36125\t委員好部長好 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2.01啟用了那當然陸陸續續就增加了很多站以及台北市的UBIKE在今年的2月8號恢復了前30分鐘免費這些都是除了我們TPASS以外的一些公共政策上面的一些改變那也因為他們的改變顯著的\n197836\t206715\t成長的這個公共運輸的使用率那我們要那包括剛剛我們趙薇講的我們的疫情指揮中心事態的時候解散的\n208154\t236491\t是在2023年的5月1號也就是在我們這一次的統計數據跟上一次的統計數據之間我們一起中間去做解散那在疫情中心解散了之後疫情的影響降低之後那包括公共運輸入網的一個完善自行車案完善導致我們的運量上升那要把這些運量上升的結果通通歸功於我們TPASS的一個月票的推出我認為這有點自我感覺良好\n237031\t265655\t就比如說我們在考量到我們餐廳的一個業績好了我們可以說我們今年餐廳業績跟疫情期間業績我們暴增了10倍那你認為這樣子統計數據有意義嗎?它有許多不同的客觀因素那包括疫情也是一個很大的一個因素因此我認為剛剛我們李孟哲召委特別提出來疫情前跟疫情後的公共運輸的一個數據的一個比較它才是有意義的\n266892\t294070\t以阪南縣來講我們應該要拿疫情前阪南縣的使用人數使用率來跟疫情後阪南縣或者是淡水縣的使用人數來比他才是有意義的啊因為我們並沒有做路線的變換我們並沒有政策上面的改變我們也排除掉疫情導致我們力量降低先蹲後跳的一個成長的因素啊那我們確實如剛剛我們的李昆哲教委講的在疫情前\n295307\t310682\t的使用率跟我們疫情後的大眾使用率來相比我們推出了TPASS之後反而使用率還降低了這在剛剛的答詢之中你們並沒有回答出你們的一些檢討原因我們這部分可不可以先針對這部分來做一個說明\n311583\t339183\t跟委員報告,就是當然大眾運輸的使用因素的這個升或降有很多種因素,譬如說可能疫情的考量,人不希望季節,那另外譬如說UBIKE恢復30分鐘的免費,還有譬如說入網的比較健全,新增的入網我想都會增加使用率,那不過從TPASS實施後確實像臺北捷運它的運量是增加了11.26,那桃園\n341305\t341425\t陶傑增加68.1%\n365854\t372898\t臺中捷運是增加31.7%不過這個數字當然委員建議說可不可以跟疫情前再做比較我只是希望推出這個政策我想不會有民意代表反對畢竟他就是一個傻錢\n391607\t391867\t李孟諺主席\n410234\t410254\t〔記者訪問〕\n440955\t454815\t提供一些我個人搭乘大眾運輸的體驗因為台灣的公共運輸跟國外比確實價格是便宜非常的多所以許多的民眾其實他在乎的不一定是價格許多民眾在乎的是搭乘的舒適度\n456041\t478033\t我不知道部長最近有沒有機會看到搭公車的民眾因為公車司機的缺顏導致班次減少到每個民眾搭乘公車的時候跟擠沙丁一樣他是非常不好的乘車的體驗每一個人在是否選擇公共運輸的時候可能會有不同的原因有的人選因為價格有的人是因為舒適度\n479538\t479678\t主席\n501677\t520773\t兩個面向我們交通部願意補助我們搭乘的民眾我當然覺得很好但是我們也希望能夠提升我們大眾運輸的搭乘的一個品質包括上禮拜搭台鐵來我們立院我差點遲到因為第一班我擠不上去啊第二班我是硬擠貼在門上我才搭過來啊這就是搭乘體驗嘛\n521914\t548639\t那我們唯有雙管齊下我們在搭乘體驗的部分也同步的來做提升我相信才能夠提升我們民眾使用大眾運輸的一個使用率那我希望我們所有的統計的資料不要用美化後對自己有利的一個統計資料來做呈現而已一定往後希望相關的數據都能夠把疫情前的數據來跟疫情後的數據來做比較我相信這才會比較有意義\n549580\t555917\t我們會虛心來面對 那有很多待改善的 譬如說該提升品質的 我們也會來努力好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝局長\n","txt":"謝謝召委幫我要請我們的部長跟我們的陳局長陳局長\n委員好部長好 謝謝部長今天應該是我們這個會期最後一次的答詢為了表示我的慎重我昨天還特地去剪了頭髮希望我們今天的答詢能夠愉快我們今天要討論TPASS的使用我們TPASS推出來的最主要的目的\n最主要的目的應該是要提升我們公共運輸的使用率嘛對不對如果說只是單純減輕民眾的負擔沒有辦法提升公共運輸的使用率那就單純的就是一個單純的政治買票而已所以說我們在報告裡面才會特別強調我們從111年7月到112年4月跟112年7月到113年4月就是同樣的月份去對一個比較我們運量提升了12.7%\n當然還有其他的一些細項但是我們在討論一個科學化的統計的時候我想必須要有一些科學化的一些的一些做法我們比如在做一些化學實驗的時候我們一定要什麼我們要有實驗組跟對照組對不對我們要排除掉實驗組跟對照組除了那項變因以外的其他變因我們都要去排除來確認\n我們去做的這一項變因到底對它實際上面的影響有多大我們在做TPASS也一樣我們從我們111年7月開始有幾項我們臺灣公共運輸一些比較大的一些變化包括你們有提到整個南部的公共自行車或者是南部公共運輸有所成長有許多的變因這跟兩位報告一下\n我們統計從110年7月開始那我們在也就是2022年那我們在2022年10月5號的時候高雄捷運美術館站到愛河之心啟用同樣的高雄捷運在2024年1月1號愛河之心到凱旋公園啟用那我們高雄的輕軌才是一個完整的環境線嘛是嘛那也因為高雄輕軌環境線的完整啟用\n相信也會造成我們這個搭乘使用率的一個上升所以說我們的一些報告比如說南部生活圈高屏成長20.5最高我想除了我們的TPASS我們這個捷運建設入廊的一個健全我認為這才是一個最主要的原因那包括我們的自行車公共自行車成長23.8%\n在2022年11月16號的時候高雄UBIKE 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