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00:03:09,324\n今天我們終於要排審法案請問主委您的立場還是如此嗎?是的但是所有的條件都是以安全為前提安全是最重要的啦我能夠認同剛剛有委員所提到的也就是我們的核廢料處理的問題要怎麼去做一個探討但是我覺得應該還中部人一個公道\n\n8\n00:03:09,904 --> 00:03:29,285\n在處理核廢料的一個這個事件上我們要積極的去探討但在處理碳排量影響到中部人的健康是不是能夠一併來檢討而不是核廢料極其重要然後中部人用非發電就不重要我想兩者應該都一樣重要吧\n\n9\n00:03:30,046 --> 00:03:51,629\n主委您覺得呢?是的,這個有好幾個面向,一個是安全,一個是核廢料,一個是空氣污染。那另外我想請問,剛剛我們有提到這個核能延益的問題,我想跟你就叫專業。以世界來說,核能延益在世界有沒有這樣子的案例?非常多,大概60%。\n\n10\n00:03:53,618 --> 00:03:59,402\n二、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚\n\n11\n00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:27,942\n不是不是對吧所以我們將這個年限拿掉以後要不要繼續研議是由行政主管機關來做決定是吧\n\n12\n00:04:29,181 --> 00:04:54,121\n是的,但是有前提,剛才我們提到了。安全。我知道。那我需要跟你探討的是,今天我們探討這個法案,不會因為我們立法委員修了這個法,我們就一定要強制用核能來發電,而是還是交由行政主管機關,也就是現在的執政黨所相關的能源政策去做部署、規劃,由你們來決定要不要繼續來研議嗎?是這樣子沒錯吧?\n\n13\n00:04:57,488 --> 00:05:19,616\n還是我過度解讀我剛才提到很多的問題安全要面臨的很多的面向核廢料也要面臨很多的面向那這些有需要一些時間那麼它整個時程是不是可行那麼這個必須要審慎評估所以剛剛我們說了這麼多我們今天只是在探討要不要將這個彈性\n\n14\n00:05:21,697 --> 00:05:49,537\n讓主管機關有機會去拿捏去做一個探討並不是說我們今天把這個法案修了你們就一定要核能發電我想這個部分留有這一個行政主管機關來保有最後的決定權這個是你們的權利對吧但我想在另外請問叫您本身因為核能安全是你的專業那你們有在探討所謂的現在核三原液它的危險\n\n15\n00:05:50,698 --> 00:06:14,778\n是有還是沒有?風險你們內部有做規劃嗎?風險必須看核酸的機組去做安全的檢查目前有檢查過嗎?或者是有探討研議的可能性嗎?目前應該是沒有,台電沒有吧?沒有都沒有研議?也沒有探討過?沒有探討過好,謝謝那我想我要再帶到這個\n\n16\n00:06:15,979 --> 00:06:35,265\n我們現在看到世界的一個發展昨天李遠哲上節目有說這相關的言論你應該很清楚我想這位前輩所提到的雖然核能有其危險的地方但比起面對人類從地球上滅絕這是一個好的選項主委你個人認同這句話嗎?\n\n17\n00:06:37,219 --> 00:06:50,979\n我想我尊重李院長的發言。好,那我想喔,在2050年淨零碳排到底需不需要核能?主委您4月親口說過很難排除的選項,您現在還是保留這樣子的說法嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:51,553 --> 00:06:53,054\n三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具《核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案》案\n\n19\n00:07:14,083 --> 00:07:41,604\n地熱新型核能有列入在你們的範圍內嗎?新型核能也看嘛如果是沒有這個核廢料那麼我們可以考慮那當然這個這個核融合那當然這個我們上一次報告5月29號有提到這個東西那這個世界上其實發展還需要一段時間目前在技術上有非常大的困難然後就到商業運轉\n\n20\n00:07:44,053 --> 00:08:05,813\n好,我想這個行政院長卓榮泰上次上個月也說非核家園的年限已經不在那行政院秘書長龔明星在擔任國發會的時候也說能源政策調整是可以討論的那已經成為了一個選項對執政黨來說我想依照現行的核管法研議要在五年前提出已經過了此限,因此卡關,對嗎?\n\n21\n00:08:08,459 --> 00:08:37,842\n我想核三場要研議有兩種路徑一個是修改核子反應器設施運轉執照的申請核消申請的辦法第16條讓取消執照有效期限屆滿在5年至15年進行換照的申請另一條就是修改核管法第6條讓研議不受審核辦法的限制但卓院長之前就說好就說沒有考慮修核管法也就是說不會有院版在沒有院版的情況下只要審幾個\n\n22\n00:08:39,082 --> 00:08:47,667\n委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案\n\n23\n00:09:04,978 --> 00:09:18,560\n讓整個法令能夠有所完善最後尊重我們主管機關能夠做相關的能源部署這是我們以上的一個態度謝謝接下來請葉元智委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8749\t22214\t邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉\n39887\t63588\t知道好2017年8月15號16點51分突然發生五一警大停電噢噪音就是中油對台電大潭發電廠停電器供應管線吶因拒入國際公司更換卡片不成噢造成的意外運作吼那導致大潭的發電廠六部機組全部停電進而造成了全台全台的一個電力備轉容量不足\n63908\t92807\t公電的系統避免全面崩潰啟動的保護措施。」之後呢2017年9月8號天下雜誌就做了一個專題啊當時就說台灣公電年年吃緊2024年最危急也有標示出啊要撐過2024年結果呢去年天下更新的試算結果標題變了變成2025年台灣恐上演大停電我最擔心的是什麼我覺得政府啊面對自己的能源政策\n93587\t114435\t不是說完完全全的不要認錯或者是認定它是錯誤而是有沒有一個檢討機制有沒有辦法去做滾動式的一個檢討如果這樣子沒有去做任何的一個檢討而且也不願意承認現在是缺電的一個進行式推動再生能源之餘我們一直將所有不足的投入到燃煤跟燃氣\n115515\t137655\t我想這個對台中來說是一個非常重要的一個議題我們支持綠電的一個發展但是問題台中可以看到火力發電不斷的節節攀升燃煤跟燃氣一直不斷的上升都會影響到台中中部人的一個相關發電影響的健康今天我想請問幾個問題第一個 主委我們第一次呢\n138456\t164415\t在討論核能研議的一個議題是今年4月您在答詢的上面直接回答核安會不是能源政策的主管機關尊重立法院的決議而在上週經濟部長針對核三是否研議的意見也是尊重立法院的決定立法院怎麼定經濟部怎麼執行那我想詢問一下主委也就是說核安會會尊重經濟部經濟部會尊重立法院沒錯吧\n166021\t189324\t今天我們終於要排審法案請問主委您的立場還是如此嗎?是的但是所有的條件都是以安全為前提安全是最重要的啦我能夠認同剛剛有委員所提到的也就是我們的核廢料處理的問題要怎麼去做一個探討但是我覺得應該還中部人一個公道\n189904\t209285\t在處理核廢料的一個這個事件上我們要積極的去探討但在處理碳排量影響到中部人的健康是不是能夠一併來檢討而不是核廢料極其重要然後中部人用非發電就不重要我想兩者應該都一樣重要吧\n210046\t231629\t主委您覺得呢?是的,這個有好幾個面向,一個是安全,一個是核廢料,一個是空氣污染。那另外我想請問,剛剛我們有提到這個核能延益的問題,我想跟你就叫專業。以世界來說,核能延益在世界有沒有這樣子的案例?非常多,大概60%。\n233618\t239402\t二、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚\n257520\t267942\t不是不是對吧所以我們將這個年限拿掉以後要不要繼續研議是由行政主管機關來做決定是吧\n269181\t294121\t是的,但是有前提,剛才我們提到了。安全。我知道。那我需要跟你探討的是,今天我們探討這個法案,不會因為我們立法委員修了這個法,我們就一定要強制用核能來發電,而是還是交由行政主管機關,也就是現在的執政黨所相關的能源政策去做部署、規劃,由你們來決定要不要繼續來研議嗎?是這樣子沒錯吧?\n297488\t319616\t還是我過度解讀我剛才提到很多的問題安全要面臨的很多的面向核廢料也要面臨很多的面向那這些有需要一些時間那麼它整個時程是不是可行那麼這個必須要審慎評估所以剛剛我們說了這麼多我們今天只是在探討要不要將這個彈性\n321697\t349537\t讓主管機關有機會去拿捏去做一個探討並不是說我們今天把這個法案修了你們就一定要核能發電我想這個部分留有這一個行政主管機關來保有最後的決定權這個是你們的權利對吧但我想在另外請問叫您本身因為核能安全是你的專業那你們有在探討所謂的現在核三原液它的危險\n350698\t374778\t是有還是沒有?風險你們內部有做規劃嗎?風險必須看核酸的機組去做安全的檢查目前有檢查過嗎?或者是有探討研議的可能性嗎?目前應該是沒有,台電沒有吧?沒有都沒有研議?也沒有探討過?沒有探討過好,謝謝那我想我要再帶到這個\n375979\t395265\t我們現在看到世界的一個發展昨天李遠哲上節目有說這相關的言論你應該很清楚我想這位前輩所提到的雖然核能有其危險的地方但比起面對人類從地球上滅絕這是一個好的選項主委你個人認同這句話嗎?\n397219\t410979\t我想我尊重李院長的發言。好,那我想喔,在2050年淨零碳排到底需不需要核能?主委您4月親口說過很難排除的選項,您現在還是保留這樣子的說法嗎?\n411553\t413054\t三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具《核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案》案\n434083\t461604\t地熱新型核能有列入在你們的範圍內嗎?新型核能也看嘛如果是沒有這個核廢料那麼我們可以考慮那當然這個這個核融合那當然這個我們上一次報告5月29號有提到這個東西那這個世界上其實發展還需要一段時間目前在技術上有非常大的困難然後就到商業運轉\n464053\t485813\t好,我想這個行政院長卓榮泰上次上個月也說非核家園的年限已經不在那行政院秘書長龔明星在擔任國發會的時候也說能源政策調整是可以討論的那已經成為了一個選項對執政黨來說我想依照現行的核管法研議要在五年前提出已經過了此限,因此卡關,對嗎?\n488459\t517842\t我想核三場要研議有兩種路徑一個是修改核子反應器設施運轉執照的申請核消申請的辦法第16條讓取消執照有效期限屆滿在5年至15年進行換照的申請另一條就是修改核管法第6條讓研議不受審核辦法的限制但卓院長之前就說好就說沒有考慮修核管法也就是說不會有院版在沒有院版的情況下只要審幾個\n519082\t527667\t委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案\n544978\t558560\t讓整個法令能夠有所完善最後尊重我們主管機關能夠做相關的能源部署這是我們以上的一個態度謝謝接下來請葉元智委員\n","txt":"邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉\n知道好2017年8月15號16點51分突然發生五一警大停電噢噪音就是中油對台電大潭發電廠停電器供應管線吶因拒入國際公司更換卡片不成噢造成的意外運作吼那導致大潭的發電廠六部機組全部停電進而造成了全台全台的一個電力備轉容量不足\n公電的系統避免全面崩潰啟動的保護措施。」之後呢2017年9月8號天下雜誌就做了一個專題啊當時就說台灣公電年年吃緊2024年最危急也有標示出啊要撐過2024年結果呢去年天下更新的試算結果標題變了變成2025年台灣恐上演大停電我最擔心的是什麼我覺得政府啊面對自己的能源政策\n不是說完完全全的不要認錯或者是認定它是錯誤而是有沒有一個檢討機制有沒有辦法去做滾動式的一個檢討如果這樣子沒有去做任何的一個檢討而且也不願意承認現在是缺電的一個進行式推動再生能源之餘我們一直將所有不足的投入到燃煤跟燃氣\n我想這個對台中來說是一個非常重要的一個議題我們支持綠電的一個發展但是問題台中可以看到火力發電不斷的節節攀升燃煤跟燃氣一直不斷的上升都會影響到台中中部人的一個相關發電影響的健康今天我想請問幾個問題第一個 主委我們第一次呢\n在討論核能研議的一個議題是今年4月您在答詢的上面直接回答核安會不是能源政策的主管機關尊重立法院的決議而在上週經濟部長針對核三是否研議的意見也是尊重立法院的決定立法院怎麼定經濟部怎麼執行那我想詢問一下主委也就是說核安會會尊重經濟部經濟部會尊重立法院沒錯吧\n今天我們終於要排審法案請問主委您的立場還是如此嗎?是的但是所有的條件都是以安全為前提安全是最重要的啦我能夠認同剛剛有委員所提到的也就是我們的核廢料處理的問題要怎麼去做一個探討但是我覺得應該還中部人一個公道\n在處理核廢料的一個這個事件上我們要積極的去探討但在處理碳排量影響到中部人的健康是不是能夠一併來檢討而不是核廢料極其重要然後中部人用非發電就不重要我想兩者應該都一樣重要吧\n主委您覺得呢?是的,這個有好幾個面向,一個是安全,一個是核廢料,一個是空氣污染。那另外我想請問,剛剛我們有提到這個核能延益的問題,我想跟你就叫專業。以世界來說,核能延益在世界有沒有這樣子的案例?非常多,大概60%。\n二、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚\n不是不是對吧所以我們將這個年限拿掉以後要不要繼續研議是由行政主管機關來做決定是吧\n是的,但是有前提,剛才我們提到了。安全。我知道。那我需要跟你探討的是,今天我們探討這個法案,不會因為我們立法委員修了這個法,我們就一定要強制用核能來發電,而是還是交由行政主管機關,也就是現在的執政黨所相關的能源政策去做部署、規劃,由你們來決定要不要繼續來研議嗎?是這樣子沒錯吧?\n還是我過度解讀我剛才提到很多的問題安全要面臨的很多的面向核廢料也要面臨很多的面向那這些有需要一些時間那麼它整個時程是不是可行那麼這個必須要審慎評估所以剛剛我們說了這麼多我們今天只是在探討要不要將這個彈性\n讓主管機關有機會去拿捏去做一個探討並不是說我們今天把這個法案修了你們就一定要核能發電我想這個部分留有這一個行政主管機關來保有最後的決定權這個是你們的權利對吧但我想在另外請問叫您本身因為核能安全是你的專業那你們有在探討所謂的現在核三原液它的危險\n是有還是沒有?風險你們內部有做規劃嗎?風險必須看核酸的機組去做安全的檢查目前有檢查過嗎?或者是有探討研議的可能性嗎?目前應該是沒有,台電沒有吧?沒有都沒有研議?也沒有探討過?沒有探討過好,謝謝那我想我要再帶到這個\n我們現在看到世界的一個發展昨天李遠哲上節目有說這相關的言論你應該很清楚我想這位前輩所提到的雖然核能有其危險的地方但比起面對人類從地球上滅絕這是一個好的選項主委你個人認同這句話嗎?\n我想我尊重李院長的發言。好,那我想喔,在2050年淨零碳排到底需不需要核能?主委您4月親口說過很難排除的選項,您現在還是保留這樣子的說法嗎?\n三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具《核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案》案\n地熱新型核能有列入在你們的範圍內嗎?新型核能也看嘛如果是沒有這個核廢料那麼我們可以考慮那當然這個這個核融合那當然這個我們上一次報告5月29號有提到這個東西那這個世界上其實發展還需要一段時間目前在技術上有非常大的困難然後就到商業運轉\n好,我想這個行政院長卓榮泰上次上個月也說非核家園的年限已經不在那行政院秘書長龔明星在擔任國發會的時候也說能源政策調整是可以討論的那已經成為了一個選項對執政黨來說我想依照現行的核管法研議要在五年前提出已經過了此限,因此卡關,對嗎?\n我想核三場要研議有兩種路徑一個是修改核子反應器設施運轉執照的申請核消申請的辦法第16條讓取消執照有效期限屆滿在5年至15年進行換照的申請另一條就是修改核管法第6條讓研議不受審核辦法的限制但卓院長之前就說好就說沒有考慮修核管法也就是說不會有院版在沒有院版的情況下只要審幾個\n委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案 案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案\n讓整個法令能夠有所完善最後尊重我們主管機關能夠做相關的能源部署這是我們以上的一個態度謝謝接下來請葉元智委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.749 --> 00:22.214\n邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文鴻清泉\n\n00:39.887 --> 01:03.588\n知道好2017年8月15號16點51分突然發生五一警大停電噢噪音就是中油對台電大潭發電廠停電器供應管線吶因拒入國際公司更換卡片不成噢造成的意外運作吼那導致大潭的發電廠六部機組全部停電進而造成了全台全台的一個電力備轉容量不足\n\n01:03.908 --> 01:32.807\n公電的系統避免全面崩潰啟動的保護措施。」之後呢2017年9月8號天下雜誌就做了一個專題啊當時就說台灣公電年年吃緊2024年最危急也有標示出啊要撐過2024年結果呢去年天下更新的試算結果標題變了變成2025年台灣恐上演大停電我最擔心的是什麼我覺得政府啊面對自己的能源政策\n\n01:33.587 --> 01:54.435\n不是說完完全全的不要認錯或者是認定它是錯誤而是有沒有一個檢討機制有沒有辦法去做滾動式的一個檢討如果這樣子沒有去做任何的一個檢討而且也不願意承認現在是缺電的一個進行式推動再生能源之餘我們一直將所有不足的投入到燃煤跟燃氣\n\n01:55.515 --> 02:17.655\n我想這個對台中來說是一個非常重要的一個議題我們支持綠電的一個發展但是問題台中可以看到火力發電不斷的節節攀升燃煤跟燃氣一直不斷的上升都會影響到台中中部人的一個相關發電影響的健康今天我想請問幾個問題第一個主委我們第一次呢\n\n02:18.456 --> 02:44.415\n在討論核能研議的一個議題是今年4月您在答詢的上面直接回答核安會不是能源政策的主管機關尊重立法院的決議而在上週經濟部長針對核三是否研議的意見也是尊重立法院的決定立法院怎麼定經濟部怎麼執行那我想詢問一下主委也就是說核安會會尊重經濟部經濟部會尊重立法院沒錯吧\n\n02:46.021 --> 03:09.324\n今天我們終於要排審法案請問主委您的立場還是如此嗎?是的但是所有的條件都是以安全為前提安全是最重要的啦我能夠認同剛剛有委員所提到的也就是我們的核廢料處理的問題要怎麼去做一個探討但是我覺得應該還中部人一個公道\n\n03:09.904 --> 03:29.285\n在處理核廢料的一個這個事件上我們要積極的去探討但在處理碳排量影響到中部人的健康是不是能夠一併來檢討而不是核廢料極其重要然後中部人用非發電就不重要我想兩者應該都一樣重要吧\n\n03:30.046 --> 03:51.629\n主委您覺得呢?是的,這個有好幾個面向,一個是安全,一個是核廢料,一個是空氣污染。那另外我想請問,剛剛我們有提到這個核能延益的問題,我想跟你就叫專業。以世界來說,核能延益在世界有沒有這樣子的案例?非常多,大概60%。\n\n03:53.618 --> 03:59.402\n二、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案﹚\n\n04:17.520 --> 04:27.942\n不是不是對吧所以我們將這個年限拿掉以後要不要繼續研議是由行政主管機關來做決定是吧\n\n04:29.181 --> 04:54.121\n是的,但是有前提,剛才我們提到了。安全。我知道。那我需要跟你探討的是,今天我們探討這個法案,不會因為我們立法委員修了這個法,我們就一定要強制用核能來發電,而是還是交由行政主管機關,也就是現在的執政黨所相關的能源政策去做部署、規劃,由你們來決定要不要繼續來研議嗎?是這樣子沒錯吧?\n\n04:57.488 --> 05:19.616\n還是我過度解讀我剛才提到很多的問題安全要面臨的很多的面向核廢料也要面臨很多的面向那這些有需要一些時間那麼它整個時程是不是可行那麼這個必須要審慎評估所以剛剛我們說了這麼多我們今天只是在探討要不要將這個彈性\n\n05:21.697 --> 05:49.537\n讓主管機關有機會去拿捏去做一個探討並不是說我們今天把這個法案修了你們就一定要核能發電我想這個部分留有這一個行政主管機關來保有最後的決定權這個是你們的權利對吧但我想在另外請問叫您本身因為核能安全是你的專業那你們有在探討所謂的現在核三原液它的危險\n\n05:50.698 --> 06:14.778\n是有還是沒有?風險你們內部有做規劃嗎?風險必須看核酸的機組去做安全的檢查目前有檢查過嗎?或者是有探討研議的可能性嗎?目前應該是沒有,台電沒有吧?沒有都沒有研議?也沒有探討過?沒有探討過好,謝謝那我想我要再帶到這個\n\n06:15.979 --> 06:35.265\n我們現在看到世界的一個發展昨天李遠哲上節目有說這相關的言論你應該很清楚我想這位前輩所提到的雖然核能有其危險的地方但比起面對人類從地球上滅絕這是一個好的選項主委你個人認同這句話嗎?\n\n06:37.219 --> 06:50.979\n我想我尊重李院長的發言。好,那我想喔,在2050年淨零碳排到底需不需要核能?主委您4月親口說過很難排除的選項,您現在還是保留這樣子的說法嗎?\n\n06:51.553 --> 06:53.054\n三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具《核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案》案\n\n07:14.083 --> 07:41.604\n地熱新型核能有列入在你們的範圍內嗎?新型核能也看嘛如果是沒有這個核廢料那麼我們可以考慮那當然這個這個核融合那當然這個我們上一次報告5月29號有提到這個東西那這個世界上其實發展還需要一段時間目前在技術上有非常大的困難然後就到商業運轉\n\n07:44.053 --> 08:05.813\n好,我想這個行政院長卓榮泰上次上個月也說非核家園的年限已經不在那行政院秘書長龔明星在擔任國發會的時候也說能源政策調整是可以討論的那已經成為了一個選項對執政黨來說我想依照現行的核管法研議要在五年前提出已經過了此限,因此卡關,對嗎?\n\n08:08.459 --> 08:37.842\n我想核三場要研議有兩種路徑一個是修改核子反應器設施運轉執照的申請核消申請的辦法第16條讓取消執照有效期限屆滿在5年至15年進行換照的申請另一條就是修改核管法第6條讓研議不受審核辦法的限制但卓院長之前就說好就說沒有考慮修核管法也就是說不會有院版在沒有院版的情況下只要審幾個\n\n08:39.082 --> 08:47.667\n委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案件中的核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案\n\n09:04.978 --> 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