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00:01:28,252\n我我我再次強調沒有沒有主委這個不能逃避不好意思你不能逃避你必須要回答你對於童子賢的意見是支持還是反對我沒有意見你沒有意見那你今天來打打訊號幹嘛不是你不能逃避啦現在請問一下你對童子賢的意見支持還是反對不是尊重如果政府機關講的話你支持你就會說支持啦所以我就解讀你是反對啦但你不好意思講啦所以你說尊重啦那\n\n4\n00:01:29,758 --> 00:01:57,580\n李遠哲說核電雖然有缺點但是跟人類滅絕比較起來核電還是要繼續使用主委你認為核電使用的缺點比較大還是人類滅絕的影響比較大我想我也尊重不是啦主委你不能什麼都尊重啦政務官要有肩膀啦現在我講的都是你們民進黨的人講的話欸你都從頭尊重到尾\n\n5\n00:01:59,158 --> 00:02:27,165\n那今天修法請你來不就是要問你的看法跟意見嗎你從頭到尾都尊重那這個尋答有什麼意義不能夠逃避好不好這個是立場我如果今天問你政治性口水什麼東西你說尊重我都沒有意見現在問的是跟你職權有關的政策議題沒有什麼尊重不尊重人家童子賢人家李遠哲人家都可以大方的對媒體表他的看法身為政務官的您居然問到跟你職權相關的議題你只能尊重那你一點肩膀都沒有欸\n\n6\n00:02:27,645 --> 00:02:28,226\n核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草\n\n7\n00:02:44,944 --> 00:02:44,964\n案。\n\n8\n00:03:08,282 --> 00:03:33,240\n我想這個安全還是最重要的我問你反不反對這個條這個法案的修正那他必須先去解釋他的不是啦主委我舉個例子好了我們前一段時間我們在討論那個學生輔導法那教育部來大家就問他說你對於第一條有沒有意見對第二條有沒有意見第三條有沒有意見教育部長有沒有跟你一樣我尊重我沒有我只是什麼教育單位跟我無關\n\n9\n00:03:34,847 --> 00:03:58,548\n教育部來討論修法就是要表達看法表達意見我現在就問你意見就你從頭跟我尊重到尾我想還要看這個大約我現在就問你說這個條文你的態度是什麼我現在就是問你的條文的態度是什麼那以後每個政府機關都選你就好了啊來跟我們委員討論條文他從頭尊重到尾\n\n10\n00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:27,153\n你的態度是什麼嗎?我想我們必須就條文本身具體的討論那你現在對條文哪一條有意見?哪一個文字有意見?我在報告裡面有提到五個版本你說反對就反對在場很多民進黨立委可能都是反對的等一下都要表達意見我現在是問你的態度嘛是的我在報告裡面有提到五個版本或有差異是不是可以合併討論合併討論然後你就支持是不是?\n\n11\n00:04:28,431 --> 00:04:32,073\n三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具\n\n12\n00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:59,648\n你知道原因是什麼嗎?主要是低碳嘛要達到2050低碳是一個嘛李遠哲就是這個看法嘛要淨零碳排嘛否則人類滅絕嘛還有沒有別的?能源需求吧能源需求嘛怕缺電嘛還有嗎?還有沒有?\n\n13\n00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:37,584\n有很多啦包括像是國安的問題因為我們如果大量仰賴天然氣台灣並沒有產天然氣所以到時候如果被包圍的話天然氣進不來還有電價的問題因為綠能的電價一度是比較貴的這個是大家現在開始認為核能可以考慮要使用的原因當然核安也是非常重要那當然對於核電的影響大家還是要減少它對於環境的環境的影響那當然大家比較嚴\n\n14\n00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:45,030\n擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員\n\n15\n00:06:07,051 --> 00:06:23,703\n其中78部有獲得他們的主管機關NRC的審查,而且同意研議。換句話說,美國的機組也有研議的經驗,而且分兩次,一次它的運轉執照年限延長到60年,後來有6部再申請再運轉。\n\n16\n00:06:24,744 --> 00:06:45,376\n後來申請就延長到80年。」換句話說他還是有一個審查的過程讓他的核電廠可以研議所以研議不是說不可以在美國的經驗是這樣那美國在審查他們的機組研議的時候他們會評估什麼呢也是一樣評估對於安全跟對環境的影響那他們的審查的\n\n17\n00:06:46,547 --> 00:07:11,124\n年限的中位數字落在兩年多左右。」換句話說我是要提醒主委啦今天這麼多人呼籲說沒有停止核電的條件如果到時候台電要去申請研議的話他的審查的時間其實也是會有一定的時間可能會有一年到兩年所以到時候現在大家一直呼籲一直呼籲一直呼籲都聽不進去等到真的要用的時候\n\n18\n00:07:12,182 --> 00:07:32,300\n你不是馬上可以用的你不是馬上可以用的那更何況我們現在法律還卡在那邊那第二個我要提醒主委的是我們的核廢料的問題我們的核廢料核一、核二、核三廠所面臨的狀況是完全不一樣的核一、核二他們的燃料池都已經滿了現在是乾式儲存槽都沒有蓋所以這個部分\n\n19\n00:07:34,758 --> 00:08:00,469\n我希望台電或者是核安會可以積極跟地方政府溝通,看到底問題卡在哪裡。核一廠的乾式儲存槽是已經過了嘛,那一定要如質如實的興建。核二廠問題卡在哪?如果是水保問題也要去解決,不是就放在那邊。那核三廠問題比較簡單,因為它的私式儲存槽就是燃料池並沒有滿,所以核三廠如果要研議的話是一個比較可行的方案。\n\n20\n00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:21,587\n合一合二現在過去地方政府比較有疑慮是因為我們現在政府一直沒有找到一個永久的儲存場一直沒有找我上次也在這邊質詢過給我的感覺是完全沒有在找丟了一句話說因為地方有意見所以就不去找了感覺就是擺爛啊我必須要說就是擺爛那難道核電廠不研議就沒有核廢料嗎我們看一個資料\n\n21\n00:08:28,766 --> 00:08:40,834\n我們不雙轉直接廚藝一樣有核廢料的問題這是核三廠預估兩部機組在廚藝期間也都會產生低放射性的廢棄物換句話說大概會有55加侖約為81374桶的核廢料所以核廢料\n\n22\n00:08:47,987 --> 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。\n188282\t213240\t我想這個安全還是最重要的我問你反不反對這個條這個法案的修正那他必須先去解釋他的不是啦主委我舉個例子好了我們前一段時間我們在討論那個學生輔導法那教育部來大家就問他說你對於第一條有沒有意見對第二條有沒有意見第三條有沒有意見教育部長有沒有跟你一樣我尊重我沒有我只是什麼教育單位跟我無關\n214847\t238548\t教育部來討論修法就是要表達看法表達意見我現在就問你意見就你從頭跟我尊重到尾我想還要看這個大約我現在就問你說這個條文你的態度是什麼我現在就是問你的條文的態度是什麼那以後每個政府機關都選你就好了啊來跟我們委員討論條文他從頭尊重到尾\n239960\t267153\t你的態度是什麼嗎?我想我們必須就條文本身具體的討論那你現在對條文哪一條有意見?哪一個文字有意見?我在報告裡面有提到五個版本你說反對就反對在場很多民進黨立委可能都是反對的等一下都要表達意見我現在是問你的態度嘛是的我在報告裡面有提到五個版本或有差異是不是可以合併討論合併討論然後你就支持是不是?\n268431\t272073\t三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具\n289380\t299648\t你知道原因是什麼嗎?主要是低碳嘛要達到2050低碳是一個嘛李遠哲就是這個看法嘛要淨零碳排嘛否則人類滅絕嘛還有沒有別的?能源需求吧能源需求嘛怕缺電嘛還有嗎?還有沒有?\n309110\t337584\t有很多啦包括像是國安的問題因為我們如果大量仰賴天然氣台灣並沒有產天然氣所以到時候如果被包圍的話天然氣進不來還有電價的問題因為綠能的電價一度是比較貴的這個是大家現在開始認為核能可以考慮要使用的原因當然核安也是非常重要那當然對於核電的影響大家還是要減少它對於環境的環境的影響那當然大家比較嚴\n339005\t345030\t擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員\n367051\t383703\t其中78部有獲得他們的主管機關NRC的審查,而且同意研議。換句話說,美國的機組也有研議的經驗,而且分兩次,一次它的運轉執照年限延長到60年,後來有6部再申請再運轉。\n384744\t405376\t後來申請就延長到80年。」換句話說他還是有一個審查的過程讓他的核電廠可以研議所以研議不是說不可以在美國的經驗是這樣那美國在審查他們的機組研議的時候他們會評估什麼呢也是一樣評估對於安全跟對環境的影響那他們的審查的\n406547\t431124\t年限的中位數字落在兩年多左右。」換句話說我是要提醒主委啦今天這麼多人呼籲說沒有停止核電的條件如果到時候台電要去申請研議的話他的審查的時間其實也是會有一定的時間可能會有一年到兩年所以到時候現在大家一直呼籲一直呼籲一直呼籲都聽不進去等到真的要用的時候\n432182\t452300\t你不是馬上可以用的你不是馬上可以用的那更何況我們現在法律還卡在那邊那第二個我要提醒主委的是我們的核廢料的問題我們的核廢料核一、核二、核三廠所面臨的狀況是完全不一樣的核一、核二他們的燃料池都已經滿了現在是乾式儲存槽都沒有蓋所以這個部分\n454758\t480469\t我希望台電或者是核安會可以積極跟地方政府溝通,看到底問題卡在哪裡。核一廠的乾式儲存槽是已經過了嘛,那一定要如質如實的興建。核二廠問題卡在哪?如果是水保問題也要去解決,不是就放在那邊。那核三廠問題比較簡單,因為它的私式儲存槽就是燃料池並沒有滿,所以核三廠如果要研議的話是一個比較可行的方案。\n482270\t501587\t合一合二現在過去地方政府比較有疑慮是因為我們現在政府一直沒有找到一個永久的儲存場一直沒有找我上次也在這邊質詢過給我的感覺是完全沒有在找丟了一句話說因為地方有意見所以就不去找了感覺就是擺爛啊我必須要說就是擺爛那難道核電廠不研議就沒有核廢料嗎我們看一個資料\n508766\t520834\t我們不雙轉直接廚藝一樣有核廢料的問題這是核三廠預估兩部機組在廚藝期間也都會產生低放射性的廢棄物換句話說大概會有55加侖約為81374桶的核廢料所以核廢料\n527987\t533852\t第一方面,符合地方政府期待。第二,你還是不斷地產生核廢料,也是要去解決。那如果要演繹的話,更是要解決。所以希望政府拿出你們的執行力,不要遇到這東西就在擺爛了。謝謝。\n","txt":"我們都知道總統的權力應該是台灣最大的所以以總統府的決定為準那現在總統府我剛剛講氣候變遷對策委員會的副召集人童子賢講了一句話他說台灣現在沒有讓核電退場的條件其實就跟我們今天修法的目標是一致的那我不知道主委對於童子賢就是這個委員會的副召集人所講的話你有沒有反對他的意見\n我尊重那個有沒有反對不是尊重反因為現在政策是立場啦沒有什麼尊重不尊重啦這今天講的是政策你是支持還是反對核安會在這個核能的上面他是一個獨立機關他沒有特定的不是因為我們不是如果今天那今天修法就不用你來了嘛我們現在就是要討論要不要修法嘛所以問你的意見嘛那現在童子賢的意見跟我們今天修法方向一模一樣我現在問的是說你對於童子賢的看法你是支持還是反對\n我我我再次強調沒有沒有主委這個不能逃避不好意思你不能逃避你必須要回答你對於童子賢的意見是支持還是反對我沒有意見你沒有意見那你今天來打打訊號幹嘛不是你不能逃避啦現在請問一下你對童子賢的意見支持還是反對不是尊重如果政府機關講的話你支持你就會說支持啦所以我就解讀你是反對啦但你不好意思講啦所以你說尊重啦那\n李遠哲說核電雖然有缺點但是跟人類滅絕比較起來核電還是要繼續使用主委你認為核電使用的缺點比較大還是人類滅絕的影響比較大我想我也尊重不是啦主委你不能什麼都尊重啦政務官要有肩膀啦現在我講的都是你們民進黨的人講的話欸你都從頭尊重到尾\n那今天修法請你來不就是要問你的看法跟意見嗎你從頭到尾都尊重那這個尋答有什麼意義不能夠逃避好不好這個是立場我如果今天問你政治性口水什麼東西你說尊重我都沒有意見現在問的是跟你職權有關的政策議題沒有什麼尊重不尊重人家童子賢人家李遠哲人家都可以大方的對媒體表他的看法身為政務官的您居然問到跟你職權相關的議題你只能尊重那你一點肩膀都沒有欸\n核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草\n案 。\n我想這個安全還是最重要的我問你反不反對這個條這個法案的修正那他必須先去解釋他的不是啦主委我舉個例子好了我們前一段時間我們在討論那個學生輔導法那教育部來大家就問他說你對於第一條有沒有意見對第二條有沒有意見第三條有沒有意見教育部長有沒有跟你一樣我尊重我沒有我只是什麼教育單位跟我無關\n教育部來討論修法就是要表達看法表達意見我現在就問你意見就你從頭跟我尊重到尾我想還要看這個大約我現在就問你說這個條文你的態度是什麼我現在就是問你的條文的態度是什麼那以後每個政府機關都選你就好了啊來跟我們委員討論條文他從頭尊重到尾\n你的態度是什麼嗎?我想我們必須就條文本身具體的討論那你現在對條文哪一條有意見?哪一個文字有意見?我在報告裡面有提到五個版本你說反對就反對在場很多民進黨立委可能都是反對的等一下都要表達意見我現在是問你的態度嘛是的我在報告裡面有提到五個版本或有差異是不是可以合併討論合併討論然後你就支持是不是?\n三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具\n你知道原因是什麼嗎?主要是低碳嘛要達到2050低碳是一個嘛李遠哲就是這個看法嘛要淨零碳排嘛否則人類滅絕嘛還有沒有別的?能源需求吧能源需求嘛怕缺電嘛還有嗎?還有沒有?\n有很多啦包括像是國安的問題因為我們如果大量仰賴天然氣台灣並沒有產天然氣所以到時候如果被包圍的話天然氣進不來還有電價的問題因為綠能的電價一度是比較貴的這個是大家現在開始認為核能可以考慮要使用的原因當然核安也是非常重要那當然對於核電的影響大家還是要減少它對於環境的環境的影響那當然大家比較嚴\n擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員\n其中78部有獲得他們的主管機關NRC的審查,而且同意研議。換句話說,美國的機組也有研議的經驗,而且分兩次,一次它的運轉執照年限延長到60年,後來有6部再申請再運轉。\n後來申請就延長到80年。」換句話說他還是有一個審查的過程讓他的核電廠可以研議所以研議不是說不可以在美國的經驗是這樣那美國在審查他們的機組研議的時候他們會評估什麼呢也是一樣評估對於安全跟對環境的影響那他們的審查的\n年限的中位數字落在兩年多左右。」換句話說我是要提醒主委啦今天這麼多人呼籲說沒有停止核電的條件如果到時候台電要去申請研議的話他的審查的時間其實也是會有一定的時間可能會有一年到兩年所以到時候現在大家一直呼籲一直呼籲一直呼籲都聽不進去等到真的要用的時候\n你不是馬上可以用的你不是馬上可以用的那更何況我們現在法律還卡在那邊那第二個我要提醒主委的是我們的核廢料的問題我們的核廢料核一、核二、核三廠所面臨的狀況是完全不一樣的核一、核二他們的燃料池都已經滿了現在是乾式儲存槽都沒有蓋所以這個部分\n我希望台電或者是核安會可以積極跟地方政府溝通,看到底問題卡在哪裡。核一廠的乾式儲存槽是已經過了嘛,那一定要如質如實的興建。核二廠問題卡在哪?如果是水保問題也要去解決,不是就放在那邊。那核三廠問題比較簡單,因為它的私式儲存槽就是燃料池並沒有滿,所以核三廠如果要研議的話是一個比較可行的方案。\n合一合二現在過去地方政府比較有疑慮是因為我們現在政府一直沒有找到一個永久的儲存場一直沒有找我上次也在這邊質詢過給我的感覺是完全沒有在找丟了一句話說因為地方有意見所以就不去找了感覺就是擺爛啊我必須要說就是擺爛那難道核電廠不研議就沒有核廢料嗎我們看一個資料\n我們不雙轉直接廚藝一樣有核廢料的問題這是核三廠預估兩部機組在廚藝期間也都會產生低放射性的廢棄物換句話說大概會有55加侖約為81374桶的核廢料所以核廢料\n第一方面,符合地方政府期待。第二,你還是不斷地產生核廢料,也是要去解決。那如果要演繹的話,更是要解決。所以希望政府拿出你們的執行力,不要遇到這東西就在擺爛了。謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:28.266\n我們都知道總統的權力應該是台灣最大的所以以總統府的決定為準那現在總統府我剛剛講氣候變遷對策委員會的副召集人童子賢講了一句話他說台灣現在沒有讓核電退場的條件其實就跟我們今天修法的目標是一致的那我不知道主委對於童子賢就是這個委員會的副召集人所講的話你有沒有反對他的意見\n\n00:29.409 --> 00:58.371\n我尊重那個有沒有反對不是尊重反因為現在政策是立場啦沒有什麼尊重不尊重啦這今天講的是政策你是支持還是反對核安會在這個核能的上面他是一個獨立機關他沒有特定的不是因為我們不是如果今天那今天修法就不用你來了嘛我們現在就是要討論要不要修法嘛所以問你的意見嘛那現在童子賢的意見跟我們今天修法方向一模一樣我現在問的是說你對於童子賢的看法你是支持還是反對\n\n00:59.852 --> 01:28.252\n我我我再次強調沒有沒有主委這個不能逃避不好意思你不能逃避你必須要回答你對於童子賢的意見是支持還是反對我沒有意見你沒有意見那你今天來打打訊號幹嘛不是你不能逃避啦現在請問一下你對童子賢的意見支持還是反對不是尊重如果政府機關講的話你支持你就會說支持啦所以我就解讀你是反對啦但你不好意思講啦所以你說尊重啦那\n\n01:29.758 --> 01:57.580\n李遠哲說核電雖然有缺點但是跟人類滅絕比較起來核電還是要繼續使用主委你認為核電使用的缺點比較大還是人類滅絕的影響比較大我想我也尊重不是啦主委你不能什麼都尊重啦政務官要有肩膀啦現在我講的都是你們民進黨的人講的話欸你都從頭尊重到尾\n\n01:59.158 --> 02:27.165\n那今天修法請你來不就是要問你的看法跟意見嗎你從頭到尾都尊重那這個尋答有什麼意義不能夠逃避好不好這個是立場我如果今天問你政治性口水什麼東西你說尊重我都沒有意見現在問的是跟你職權有關的政策議題沒有什麼尊重不尊重人家童子賢人家李遠哲人家都可以大方的對媒體表他的看法身為政務官的您居然問到跟你職權相關的議題你只能尊重那你一點肩膀都沒有欸\n\n02:27.645 --> 02:28.226\n核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草\n\n02:44.944 --> 02:44.964\n案。\n\n03:08.282 --> 03:33.240\n我想這個安全還是最重要的我問你反不反對這個條這個法案的修正那他必須先去解釋他的不是啦主委我舉個例子好了我們前一段時間我們在討論那個學生輔導法那教育部來大家就問他說你對於第一條有沒有意見對第二條有沒有意見第三條有沒有意見教育部長有沒有跟你一樣我尊重我沒有我只是什麼教育單位跟我無關\n\n03:34.847 --> 03:58.548\n教育部來討論修法就是要表達看法表達意見我現在就問你意見就你從頭跟我尊重到尾我想還要看這個大約我現在就問你說這個條文你的態度是什麼我現在就是問你的條文的態度是什麼那以後每個政府機關都選你就好了啊來跟我們委員討論條文他從頭尊重到尾\n\n03:59.960 --> 04:27.153\n你的態度是什麼嗎?我想我們必須就條文本身具體的討論那你現在對條文哪一條有意見?哪一個文字有意見?我在報告裡面有提到五個版本你說反對就反對在場很多民進黨立委可能都是反對的等一下都要表達意見我現在是問你的態度嘛是的我在報告裡面有提到五個版本或有差異是不是可以合併討論合併討論然後你就支持是不是?\n\n04:28.431 --> 04:32.073\n三、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具\n\n04:49.380 --> 04:59.648\n你知道原因是什麼嗎?主要是低碳嘛要達到2050低碳是一個嘛李遠哲就是這個看法嘛要淨零碳排嘛否則人類滅絕嘛還有沒有別的?能源需求吧能源需求嘛怕缺電嘛還有嗎?還有沒有?\n\n05:09.110 --> 05:37.584\n有很多啦包括像是國安的問題因為我們如果大量仰賴天然氣台灣並沒有產天然氣所以到時候如果被包圍的話天然氣進不來還有電價的問題因為綠能的電價一度是比較貴的這個是大家現在開始認為核能可以考慮要使用的原因當然核安也是非常重要那當然對於核電的影響大家還是要減少它對於環境的環境的影響那當然大家比較嚴\n\n05:39.005 --> 05:45.030\n擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻清泉等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案：一、審查委員\n\n06:07.051 --> 06:23.703\n其中78部有獲得他們的主管機關NRC的審查,而且同意研議。換句話說,美國的機組也有研議的經驗,而且分兩次,一次它的運轉執照年限延長到60年,後來有6部再申請再運轉。\n\n06:24.744 --> 06:45.376\n後來申請就延長到80年。」換句話說他還是有一個審查的過程讓他的核電廠可以研議所以研議不是說不可以在美國的經驗是這樣那美國在審查他們的機組研議的時候他們會評估什麼呢也是一樣評估對於安全跟對環境的影響那他們的審查的\n\n06:46.547 --> 07:11.124\n年限的中位數字落在兩年多左右。」換句話說我是要提醒主委啦今天這麼多人呼籲說沒有停止核電的條件如果到時候台電要去申請研議的話他的審查的時間其實也是會有一定的時間可能會有一年到兩年所以到時候現在大家一直呼籲一直呼籲一直呼籲都聽不進去等到真的要用的時候\n\n07:12.182 --> 07:32.300\n你不是馬上可以用的你不是馬上可以用的那更何況我們現在法律還卡在那邊那第二個我要提醒主委的是我們的核廢料的問題我們的核廢料核一、核二、核三廠所面臨的狀況是完全不一樣的核一、核二他們的燃料池都已經滿了現在是乾式儲存槽都沒有蓋所以這個部分\n\n07:34.758 --> 08:00.469\n我希望台電或者是核安會可以積極跟地方政府溝通,看到底問題卡在哪裡。核一廠的乾式儲存槽是已經過了嘛,那一定要如質如實的興建。核二廠問題卡在哪?如果是水保問題也要去解決,不是就放在那邊。那核三廠問題比較簡單,因為它的私式儲存槽就是燃料池並沒有滿,所以核三廠如果要研議的話是一個比較可行的方案。\n\n08:02.270 --> 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