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00:02:18,208\n市報委員其實我們在過去對於銀行的分行的遷移或是裁測或是增設我們都是非常關注啦特別是過去我們在整併的時候呢很多的銀行都是為了這個分行所以我們對一些偏鄉的服務的考慮並不會完全依據他們的商業的考慮其實上有做這個這樣的考慮可是你的分行分行就沒有啊那怎麼辦勒?\n\n7\n00:02:18,908 --> 00:02:21,571\n報告委員,我們確實對於偏鄉這邊在生成銀行生成實體分支機構的時候其實是會給予一些便利性比如說他任何時間都可以提出申請\n\n8\n00:02:38,692 --> 00:02:56,927\n所以我們也是希望說在偏鄉這邊可以多設一些分支機構不過就是有一個部分可能要跟委員解釋就是說因為我們目前定義的偏鄉是還有包括就是說他也沒有郵費局也沒有信用合作社\n\n9\n00:02:57,928 --> 00:03:15,281\n市長你講到了我們的郵局我們的融匯系統那事實上我們在講這個數位落差非常大那這些高齡者在網路的使用率他其實只有一半而已那近半的一個65歲以上的長者是不會用網路的\n\n10\n00:03:17,443 --> 00:03:31,964\n那不會用網路你怎麼樣避免就是說帶操作的一個風險這個主委你有沒有想到就是說其實超過一半甚至就是更高六成以上他就是不會操作網路\n\n11\n00:03:32,605 --> 00:03:33,585\n那可是在這裡我想請問主委\n\n12\n00:04:00,632 --> 00:04:00,752\n賴惠員賴惠員\n\n13\n00:04:20,554 --> 00:04:36,430\n主委,我想請教您一下,那個你知道一個老人,一個月他可以領到的老人年金有多少?以前我母親大概是應該是他在某個縣市應該是大概六七千塊\n\n14\n00:04:37,148 --> 00:04:39,510\n對,確實跨行提款的部分是會有一個那個手續費吧,這部分的話\n\n15\n00:05:05,636 --> 00:05:20,862\n我們可以來演繹這個事情可以演繹好謝謝主委謝謝那這接著就是說金融的科技你要開放那我們知道在這開放的過程當中我們付出的一個社會成本也相當的高那是不是也必須要考慮到黃柵\n\n16\n00:05:22,442 --> 00:05:46,960\n您看到在金融科技業方面的時候是誰被騙的比較多反而不是老人被騙的比較多因為我們不會用嘛其實反而是年輕人被騙的比較多那我們從一個數據裡頭來看從2017年它的一個20億一直到了就是說我們現階段的80億這個7年當中增加了60億增加了4倍啊\n\n17\n00:05:48,181 --> 00:06:17,037\n主委您怎麼看待的就是說新銀貨幣的一個詐騙是金融的一個創新還是一個詐騙的一個陷阱你看這個窮出不窮的一個詐騙是不是我們覺得說在近4年的詐騙案從66件暴增到245件那主委如果金管會目前推出了新銀貨幣的專法沒有辦法有效的去管理這些沒有牌的一個公司\n\n18\n00:06:17,637 --> 00:06:39,355\n那是不是會出現像朱鑫業一樣每一排的公司就是最大那如果我在這裡要請教金管會如果就是說你沒有辦法用監管股票市場的一個方式高標準的一個監理吸引貨幣的一個平台那你如果都做不到的話你為什麼要給他一個合法的地位呢\n\n19\n00:06:41,036 --> 00:06:56,909\n市長可以從兩個角度來思考第一個我們想說現在我們對於這個所謂的虛擬資產業者的管理都是遵照國際的一個步驟因為他們在發展中我們一定先從洗錢開始洗錢房子開始那接下來為什麼我們第4階段要訂定專法\n\n20\n00:06:57,870 --> 00:07:00,992\n主委,我想你們準備的、設想的這個都在這個計畫中在進行我想在這裡請問主委就是說如果今天有一個股票要上市\n\n21\n00:07:24,924 --> 00:07:47,991\n那你要受到多少的監理呢?一個股票要上市你要受到多少監理?你只要這樣回答我就好了現在股票上市的部分呢第一個他一定是公發公發完還要上市上市要經過我們的交易所的審查這個部分他是有一個蠻嚴謹蠻長的一個過程才有辦法一個建商如果要推薦你買賣一支股票的話要受到多少的監理?\n\n22\n00:07:50,032 --> 00:08:19,252\n當然這個牽涉到你今天是不是像比如說你是有沒有這個執照就像我們對我們要推薦股票的話我們按照我們的現在投進投不法應該是有它的規範是這麼多的一個規範這麼多的一個監理啊那你的金融科技的發展也應該要兼顧到就是數位的一個弱勢啊這個才會避免掉就是金融科技的緩成為金融詐騙的一個工具啊那是當然他變成是一個有牌的啊我家的老人可以用騙料料啊\n\n23\n00:08:20,112 --> 00:08:37,598\n本來沒白的時候還可以就是說這個銀行沒有認證現在他只要就是有了這個你們給他的一個合法的地位的時候騙得更慘那是不是你要付出的詐騙的一個成本會更高呢?\n\n24\n00:08:38,058 --> 00:08:52,706\n其實我們過去的經驗的預期是所謂有牌就是機構納管機構納管以後它必然增加它至少它內控還有法尊上面的要求再來它相應的也是會有明確的法律的法則我想\n\n25\n00:09:14,164 --> 00:09:14,484\n總裁有請楊總裁\n\n26\n00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:46,642\n在這裡請教總裁,空盤不斷地往上,那存款的利率會不會過低?昨天我們的CPI公布是2.42,那這個相比會不會過低呢?\n\n27\n00:09:53,484 --> 00:10:15,371\n我知道委員在講的是實質利率的問題當然我們中央銀行也有關注這個實質利率的問題但是就是說我們如果跟其他國家來比較的話事實上也不是所有其他國家的實質利率都是這樣的\n\n28\n00:10:16,571 --> 00:10:36,878\n因為第一個就是說好因為我們的通膨會慢慢的會下來通膨會慢慢的下來會會會會這麼有信心對我們的Protection呢到目前為止我們特別是像Core來講的話就核心CPI核心CPI現在都已經降到2%以下了\n\n29\n00:10:38,535 --> 00:10:59,687\n主席,你不可以只看到核心的一個問題,核心你扣掉糧食,你扣掉這些利能,其實這個就是十一住行。我想委員也沒有錯,就是說人民的感受跟中央銀行的一個貨幣政策所關注的那個指標好像是不一樣。\n\n30\n00:11:00,828 --> 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謝謝主委謝謝那這接著就是說金融的科技你要開放那我們知道在這開放的過程當中我們付出的一個社會成本也相當的高那是不是也必須要考慮到黃柵\n322442\t346960\t您看到在金融科技業方面的時候是誰被騙的比較多反而不是老人被騙的比較多因為我們不會用嘛其實反而是年輕人被騙的比較多那我們從一個數據裡頭來看從2017年它的一個20億一直到了就是說我們現階段的80億這個7年當中增加了60億增加了4倍啊\n348181\t377037\t主委您怎麼看待的就是說新銀貨幣的一個詐騙是金融的一個創新還是一個詐騙的一個陷阱你看這個窮出不窮的一個詐騙是不是我們覺得說在近4年的詐騙案從66件暴增到245件那主委如果金管會目前推出了新銀貨幣的專法沒有辦法有效的去管理這些沒有牌的一個公司\n377637\t399355\t那是不是會出現像朱鑫業一樣每一排的公司就是最大那如果我在這裡要請教金管會如果就是說你沒有辦法用監管股票市場的一個方式高標準的一個監理吸引貨幣的一個平台那你如果都做不到的話你為什麼要給他一個合法的地位呢\n401036\t416909\t市長可以從兩個角度來思考第一個我們想說現在我們對於這個所謂的虛擬資產業者的管理都是遵照國際的一個步驟因為他們在發展中我們一定先從洗錢開始洗錢房子開始那接下來為什麼我們第4階段要訂定專法\n417870\t420992\t主委,我想你們準備的、設想的這個都在這個計畫中在進行我想在這裡請問主委就是說如果今天有一個股票要上市\n444924\t467991\t那你要受到多少的監理呢?一個股票要上市你要受到多少監理?你只要這樣回答我就好了現在股票上市的部分呢第一個他一定是公發公發完還要上市上市要經過我們的交易所的審查這個部分他是有一個蠻嚴謹蠻長的一個過程才有辦法一個建商如果要推薦你買賣一支股票的話要受到多少的監理?\n470032\t499252\t當然這個牽涉到你今天是不是像比如說你是有沒有這個執照就像我們對我們要推薦股票的話我們按照我們的現在投進投不法應該是有它的規範是這麼多的一個規範這麼多的一個監理啊那你的金融科技的發展也應該要兼顧到就是數位的一個弱勢啊這個才會避免掉就是金融科技的緩成為金融詐騙的一個工具啊那是當然他變成是一個有牌的啊我家的老人可以用騙料料啊\n500112\t517598\t本來沒白的時候還可以就是說這個銀行沒有認證現在他只要就是有了這個你們給他的一個合法的地位的時候騙得更慘那是不是你要付出的詐騙的一個成本會更高呢?\n518058\t532706\t其實我們過去的經驗的預期是所謂有牌就是機構納管機構納管以後它必然增加它至少它內控還有法尊上面的要求再來它相應的也是會有明確的法律的法則我想\n533166\t554104\t⋯⋯⋯⋯\n554164\t554484\t總裁有請楊總裁\n576690\t586642\t在這裡請教總裁,空盤不斷地往上,那存款的利率會不會過低?昨天我們的CPI公布是2.42,那這個相比會不會過低呢?\n593484\t615371\t我知道委員在講的是實質利率的問題當然我們中央銀行也有關注這個實質利率的問題但是就是說我們如果跟其他國家來比較的話事實上也不是所有其他國家的實質利率都是這樣的\n616571\t636878\t因為第一個就是說好因為我們的通膨會慢慢的會下來通膨會慢慢的下來會會會會這麼有信心對我們的Protection呢到目前為止我們特別是像Core來講的話就核心CPI核心CPI現在都已經降到2%以下了\n638535\t659687\t主席,你不可以只看到核心的一個問題,核心你扣掉糧食,你扣掉這些利能,其實這個就是十一住行。我想委員也沒有錯,就是說人民的感受跟中央銀行的一個貨幣政策所關注的那個指標好像是不一樣。\n660828\t662369\t我跟委員報告說中央銀行關注物價但是我們不會單獨關注某一項的物價\n689585\t689605\t賴惠員\n706912\t706932\t賴惠員\n728297\t742631\t跟融融會信用部的合作提高實質的金融的服務在這個偏鄉覆蓋力的一個可行性那金管會也應該要考慮是不是用更高的一個標準就是來監管虛擬貨幣交易平台好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席,我想針對台南市老人的人口比例來跟主委做一個探討。\n不好意思,因為我剛剛跟陳一貞委員換了所以我從縣區跑過來就我們台南其實有185萬9千的人口數其實我們的老人化的一個程度相當的高就是說18.77這個是以一個六度的平均的一個65歲的老人比\n賴惠員\n賴惠員\n這個有很大的一個區域的一個落差在以選區為例我20家在新營北門將軍後壁東山下營還有柳營是完全都沒有銀行的完全都沒有銀行的可是我在這裡要請問主委有沒有針對的偏鄉偏鄉的這一個覆蓋力那個可以提高實質的金融服務有沒有比較好的方法呢\n市報委員其實我們在過去對於銀行的分行的遷移或是裁測或是增設我們都是非常關注啦特別是過去我們在整併的時候呢很多的銀行都是為了這個分行所以我們對一些偏鄉的服務的考慮並不會完全依據他們的商業的考慮其實上有做這個這樣的考慮可是你的分行分行就沒有啊那怎麼辦勒?\n報告委員,我們確實對於偏鄉這邊在生成銀行生成實體分支機構的時候其實是會給予一些便利性比如說他任何時間都可以提出申請\n所以我們也是希望說在偏鄉這邊可以多設一些分支機構不過就是有一個部分可能要跟委員解釋就是說因為我們目前定義的偏鄉是還有包括就是說他也沒有郵費局也沒有信用合作社\n市長你講到了我們的郵局我們的融匯系統那事實上我們在講這個數位落差非常大那這些高齡者在網路的使用率他其實只有一半而已那近半的一個65歲以上的長者是不會用網路的\n那不會用網路你怎麼樣避免就是說帶操作的一個風險這個主委你有沒有想到就是說其實超過一半甚至就是更高六成以上他就是不會操作網路\n那可是在這裡我想請問主委\n賴惠員賴惠員\n主委,我想請教您一下,那個你知道一個老人,一個月他可以領到的老人年金有多少?以前我母親大概是應該是他在某個縣市應該是大概六七千塊\n對,確實跨行提款的部分是會有一個那個手續費吧,這部分的話\n我們可以來演繹這個事情可以演繹好 謝謝主委謝謝那這接著就是說金融的科技你要開放那我們知道在這開放的過程當中我們付出的一個社會成本也相當的高那是不是也必須要考慮到黃柵\n您看到在金融科技業方面的時候是誰被騙的比較多反而不是老人被騙的比較多因為我們不會用嘛其實反而是年輕人被騙的比較多那我們從一個數據裡頭來看從2017年它的一個20億一直到了就是說我們現階段的80億這個7年當中增加了60億增加了4倍啊\n主委您怎麼看待的就是說新銀貨幣的一個詐騙是金融的一個創新還是一個詐騙的一個陷阱你看這個窮出不窮的一個詐騙是不是我們覺得說在近4年的詐騙案從66件暴增到245件那主委如果金管會目前推出了新銀貨幣的專法沒有辦法有效的去管理這些沒有牌的一個公司\n那是不是會出現像朱鑫業一樣每一排的公司就是最大那如果我在這裡要請教金管會如果就是說你沒有辦法用監管股票市場的一個方式高標準的一個監理吸引貨幣的一個平台那你如果都做不到的話你為什麼要給他一個合法的地位呢\n市長可以從兩個角度來思考第一個我們想說現在我們對於這個所謂的虛擬資產業者的管理都是遵照國際的一個步驟因為他們在發展中我們一定先從洗錢開始洗錢房子開始那接下來為什麼我們第4階段要訂定專法\n主委,我想你們準備的、設想的這個都在這個計畫中在進行我想在這裡請問主委就是說如果今天有一個股票要上市\n那你要受到多少的監理呢?一個股票要上市你要受到多少監理?你只要這樣回答我就好了現在股票上市的部分呢第一個他一定是公發公發完還要上市上市要經過我們的交易所的審查這個部分他是有一個蠻嚴謹蠻長的一個過程才有辦法一個建商如果要推薦你買賣一支股票的話要受到多少的監理?\n當然這個牽涉到你今天是不是像比如說你是有沒有這個執照就像我們對我們要推薦股票的話我們按照我們的現在投進投不法應該是有它的規範是這麼多的一個規範這麼多的一個監理啊那你的金融科技的發展也應該要兼顧到就是數位的一個弱勢啊這個才會避免掉就是金融科技的緩成為金融詐騙的一個工具啊那是當然他變成是一個有牌的啊我家的老人可以用騙料料啊\n本來沒白的時候還可以就是說這個銀行沒有認證現在他只要就是有了這個你們給他的一個合法的地位的時候騙得更慘那是不是你要付出的詐騙的一個成本會更高呢?\n其實我們過去的經驗的預期是所謂有牌就是機構納管機構納管以後它必然增加它至少它內控還有法尊上面的要求再來它相應的也是會有明確的法律的法則我想\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n總裁有請楊總裁\n在這裡請教總裁,空盤不斷地往上,那存款的利率會不會過低?昨天我們的CPI公布是2.42,那這個相比會不會過低呢?\n我知道委員在講的是實質利率的問題當然我們中央銀行也有關注這個實質利率的問題但是就是說我們如果跟其他國家來比較的話事實上也不是所有其他國家的實質利率都是這樣的\n因為第一個就是說好因為我們的通膨會慢慢的會下來通膨會慢慢的下來會會會會這麼有信心對我們的Protection呢到目前為止我們特別是像Core來講的話就核心CPI核心CPI現在都已經降到2%以下了\n主席,你不可以只看到核心的一個問題,核心你扣掉糧食,你扣掉這些利能,其實這個就是十一住行。我想委員也沒有錯,就是說人民的感受跟中央銀行的一個貨幣政策所關注的那個指標好像是不一樣。\n我跟委員報告說中央銀行關注物價但是我們不會單獨關注某一項的物價\n賴惠員\n賴惠員\n跟融融會信用部的合作提高實質的金融的服務在這個偏鄉覆蓋力的一個可行性那金管會也應該要考慮是不是用更高的一個標準就是來監管虛擬貨幣交易平台好 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04:00.752\n賴惠員賴惠員\n\n04:20.554 --> 04:36.430\n主委,我想請教您一下,那個你知道一個老人,一個月他可以領到的老人年金有多少?以前我母親大概是應該是他在某個縣市應該是大概六七千塊\n\n04:37.148 --> 04:39.510\n對,確實跨行提款的部分是會有一個那個手續費吧,這部分的話\n\n05:05.636 --> 05:20.862\n我們可以來演繹這個事情可以演繹好謝謝主委謝謝那這接著就是說金融的科技你要開放那我們知道在這開放的過程當中我們付出的一個社會成本也相當的高那是不是也必須要考慮到黃柵\n\n05:22.442 --> 05:46.960\n您看到在金融科技業方面的時候是誰被騙的比較多反而不是老人被騙的比較多因為我們不會用嘛其實反而是年輕人被騙的比較多那我們從一個數據裡頭來看從2017年它的一個20億一直到了就是說我們現階段的80億這個7年當中增加了60億增加了4倍啊\n\n05:48.181 --> 06:17.037\n主委您怎麼看待的就是說新銀貨幣的一個詐騙是金融的一個創新還是一個詐騙的一個陷阱你看這個窮出不窮的一個詐騙是不是我們覺得說在近4年的詐騙案從66件暴增到245件那主委如果金管會目前推出了新銀貨幣的專法沒有辦法有效的去管理這些沒有牌的一個公司\n\n06:17.637 --> 06:39.355\n那是不是會出現像朱鑫業一樣每一排的公司就是最大那如果我在這裡要請教金管會如果就是說你沒有辦法用監管股票市場的一個方式高標準的一個監理吸引貨幣的一個平台那你如果都做不到的話你為什麼要給他一個合法的地位呢\n\n06:41.036 --> 06:56.909\n市長可以從兩個角度來思考第一個我們想說現在我們對於這個所謂的虛擬資產業者的管理都是遵照國際的一個步驟因為他們在發展中我們一定先從洗錢開始洗錢房子開始那接下來為什麼我們第4階段要訂定專法\n\n06:57.870 --> 07:00.992\n主委,我想你們準備的、設想的這個都在這個計畫中在進行我想在這裡請問主委就是說如果今天有一個股票要上市\n\n07:24.924 --> 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