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00:01:27,017\n這個應該是新的市政啦也就是說當初核三廠在建廠的時候是不知道它的正下方有一條活動斷層的嗎那什麼時候才知道下面有一條活動斷層是2009年吧2009年地調所公告的時候才知道這意思是什麼呢這意思來說來看我們現在已經知道核三廠它的地點\n\n4\n00:01:28,365 --> 00:01:53,595\n其實相對來說它並不是一個安全的地點。我相信如果當年在建廠的時候知道這下方有一條活動斷層我們不會把核三廠蓋在這裡。剛剛有好幾位在黨的委員提到國外有一些嚴厲的、嚴議的案例但我相信這些核電廠的下方沒有一條活動斷層通過這個核電廠的正下方。\n\n5\n00:01:57,912 --> 00:02:23,042\n今天不管政治上面我們怎麼吵但這一條通過核電廠正下方的活動斷層就是擺在眼前的事實所以我說如果現在在野黨要來討論核三的演繹的話我認為比較負責任的應該是要多去討論那到底怎麼面對這個斷層到底安全的評估如何但對不起\n\n6\n00:02:24,653 --> 00:02:48,164\n我們其實在今天委員會的討論裡面我們幾乎看不到在野黨對於這一條斷層所帶來的安全風險的問題有任何嚴肅的討論我們感覺很像要在沒有對這個斷層的風險做出討論之前就要急急忙忙的來放寬核安管制的法規這讓人覺得非常非常的不安啊\n\n7\n00:02:51,004 --> 00:03:17,143\n今天我們主席、科委員他也可能立志他要選高雄我相信啊大家看到現在在場這種匆匆忙忙然後沒有討論核能安全的問題就想要急著出委員急著想要修法的態度我不知道高雄人接不接受我不知道南部人接不接受所以今天我很明確\n\n8\n00:03:19,005 --> 00:03:40,849\n今天不管你是哪一黨派的不管你的立場為何這個電廠下面活動斷層經過恆春斷層是南部最大的活動斷層這件事情就擺在眼前嘛那怎麼面對嘛怎麼處理嘛為什麼其他的核電廠下面都沒有斷層只有這條有斷層為什麼說過了嘛因為之前不知道嘛\n\n9\n00:03:48,035 --> 00:04:15,652\n不知道才會在這一個相對風險高相對不安全的地方來蓋核電廠嗎?那我們現在再有一次機會我們要不要繼續在這一個斷層上面活動斷層上的核電廠繼續承擔這個風險這是我們要做決定的事情嘛我要提一個喔其實地震帶上的核電廠的安全最近有個案例可以參考今年的1月能登半島一樣發生規模7的地震\n\n10\n00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:43,214\n南南半島附近也有六座核電廠那在三一福島核災後其實日本針對核災發生後的疏散計畫其實做了蠻多嚴密的加強跟改進但在這一次南南半島的事件裡面其實媒體都有報導大家發現了幾件事情一樣如果戶外是有輻射的但政府規定要待在家裡躲輻射但對不起防射都倒了請問要躲在哪裡\n\n11\n00:04:44,773 --> 00:04:54,612\n沒有避難的地方。」第二個,復興的居民說要疏散,但道路中斷,連疏散都沒有辦法,連輻射的側站,對不起,\n\n12\n00:04:55,796 --> 00:05:17,787\n都被正道訊號中斷。」所以你根本搞不清楚到底輻射的熱點在哪裡,也包括整個通訊是中斷的。所以當今天遇到地震的時候的複合性的災難,很多地方都跟原本設想的是不一樣的。這樣子的疏散的情境,這樣子的核災的情境,我們是可以透過現在的例子裡面來做參考的。但很抱歉啊,\n\n13\n00:05:18,487 --> 00:05:36,859\n我們今天在這個委員會裡面有沒有任何一個人嚴肅討論這些實際上面已經發生的災害的狀況我們怎麼面對沒有在這些沒有討論的狀況之下就要匆匆忙忙來放寬核安管制的法規如果未來這些狀況發生誰要負責誰要負責如果這個風險的狀況發生如果這個災害的狀況發生誰要負責我要問主委你能負責嗎\n\n14\n00:05:49,690 --> 00:05:51,172\n這就是一個在地震帶上的核電廠發生狀況以後所遇到的諸多\n\n15\n00:06:11,087 --> 00:06:38,233\n你無法想像的困境逃逃不出去連車站輻射值都不知道通訊也中斷根本不知道怎麼避難但我們居然要在這樣的情境下面就要來放寬核能管制的法規我真的要奉勸大家我覺得核電的政策可以討論但核安的議題我相信就算支持核電的人也不希望台灣發生核災也不希望台灣受到核災的威脅\n\n16\n00:06:39,872 --> 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--> 00:28.218\n審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案〈核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案〉案〈核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案〈核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案〈核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案〈核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案〈核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案〈核\n\n00:31.065 --> 00:58.504\n呃...陳志瑞、林市長跟曾總市長齁我想請問喔你們知道現在河山廠的就是它的正下方喔就有一條斷層經過嗎?知道嗎?知不知道?知道齁那知不知道這是一條活動斷層知道嗎?第二類活動斷層第二類活動斷層好那我請問一下當初河山廠在建廠的時候知道下面有活動斷層嗎?\n\n01:00.577 --> 01:27.017\n這個應該是新的市政啦也就是說當初核三廠在建廠的時候是不知道它的正下方有一條活動斷層的嗎那什麼時候才知道下面有一條活動斷層是2009年吧2009年地調所公告的時候才知道這意思是什麼呢這意思來說來看我們現在已經知道核三廠它的地點\n\n01:28.365 --> 01:53.595\n其實相對來說它並不是一個安全的地點。我相信如果當年在建廠的時候知道這下方有一條活動斷層我們不會把核三廠蓋在這裡。剛剛有好幾位在黨的委員提到國外有一些嚴厲的、嚴議的案例但我相信這些核電廠的下方沒有一條活動斷層通過這個核電廠的正下方。\n\n01:57.912 --> 02:23.042\n今天不管政治上面我們怎麼吵但這一條通過核電廠正下方的活動斷層就是擺在眼前的事實所以我說如果現在在野黨要來討論核三的演繹的話我認為比較負責任的應該是要多去討論那到底怎麼面對這個斷層到底安全的評估如何但對不起\n\n02:24.653 --> 02:48.164\n我們其實在今天委員會的討論裡面我們幾乎看不到在野黨對於這一條斷層所帶來的安全風險的問題有任何嚴肅的討論我們感覺很像要在沒有對這個斷層的風險做出討論之前就要急急忙忙的來放寬核安管制的法規這讓人覺得非常非常的不安啊\n\n02:51.004 --> 03:17.143\n今天我們主席、科委員他也可能立志他要選高雄我相信啊大家看到現在在場這種匆匆忙忙然後沒有討論核能安全的問題就想要急著出委員急著想要修法的態度我不知道高雄人接不接受我不知道南部人接不接受所以今天我很明確\n\n03:19.005 --> 03:40.849\n今天不管你是哪一黨派的不管你的立場為何這個電廠下面活動斷層經過恆春斷層是南部最大的活動斷層這件事情就擺在眼前嘛那怎麼面對嘛怎麼處理嘛為什麼其他的核電廠下面都沒有斷層只有這條有斷層為什麼說過了嘛因為之前不知道嘛\n\n03:48.035 --> 04:15.652\n不知道才會在這一個相對風險高相對不安全的地方來蓋核電廠嗎?那我們現在再有一次機會我們要不要繼續在這一個斷層上面活動斷層上的核電廠繼續承擔這個風險這是我們要做決定的事情嘛我要提一個喔其實地震帶上的核電廠的安全最近有個案例可以參考今年的1月能登半島一樣發生規模7的地震\n\n04:17.520 --> 04:43.214\n南南半島附近也有六座核電廠那在三一福島核災後其實日本針對核災發生後的疏散計畫其實做了蠻多嚴密的加強跟改進但在這一次南南半島的事件裡面其實媒體都有報導大家發現了幾件事情一樣如果戶外是有輻射的但政府規定要待在家裡躲輻射但對不起防射都倒了請問要躲在哪裡\n\n04:44.773 --> 04:54.612\n沒有避難的地方。」第二個,復興的居民說要疏散,但道路中斷,連疏散都沒有辦法,連輻射的側站,對不起,\n\n04:55.796 --> 05:17.787\n都被正道訊號中斷。」所以你根本搞不清楚到底輻射的熱點在哪裡,也包括整個通訊是中斷的。所以當今天遇到地震的時候的複合性的災難,很多地方都跟原本設想的是不一樣的。這樣子的疏散的情境,這樣子的核災的情境,我們是可以透過現在的例子裡面來做參考的。但很抱歉啊,\n\n05:18.487 --> 05:36.859\n我們今天在這個委員會裡面有沒有任何一個人嚴肅討論這些實際上面已經發生的災害的狀況我們怎麼面對沒有在這些沒有討論的狀況之下就要匆匆忙忙來放寬核安管制的法規如果未來這些狀況發生誰要負責誰要負責如果這個風險的狀況發生如果這個災害的狀況發生誰要負責我要問主委你能負責嗎\n\n05:49.690 --> 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