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00:01:30,820\n我希望你們積極去滿意度是一定會滿意因為政府3年編了200億來協助這些上班族減輕他們的負擔這個一定是滿意但我的意思是說滿意度之外我們要把不滿意的部分\n\n5\n00:01:31,917 --> 00:02:00,300\n透過這個調查把不滿意的部分把它找出來然後來把它加以改正那我看了一下這個交通部這些相關的統計數據如果我們以這個臺灣的各地區我們來做一個比較的話我們可以很清楚的從數據上面看到這個基隆北北桃這個核定的預算數跟核撥的預算數其實都是相對最高\n\n6\n00:02:01,321 --> 00:02:18,474\n換言之這個地方公共運輸不論是軌道或者是這個交通網公共運輸網絡的這個這個比例跟密度相對一定比較高因為人數差距不會很遠但為什麼你看這個這個核定預算數到預算撥付數\n\n7\n00:02:22,788 --> 00:02:34,501\n這個基隆北北桃都比中部跟南部來得高那如果用各生活圈購買人數使用人數以及跨區使用的情形那使用量你可以看得到這個\n\n8\n00:02:37,576 --> 00:02:55,251\n基隆台北北北桃很明顯的使用量是大過這個中樟頭苗跟南高坪那個倍數是非常驚人這個千萬大概臺中才兩千多萬\n\n9\n00:02:56,603 --> 00:03:23,980\n高雄南高坪還有4000多萬那到了這個雞尾尾桃那個是大概快5億了吧所以明顯這個比例是幾乎是不成比例那為什麼不成比例呢其實我們用常識就可以知道這個跟你的公共運輸的量能密度都會有很結的關係所以如果這樣其實我們反過來從TPASS的\n\n10\n00:03:24,997 --> 00:03:41,611\n的這個這個好的政策的實施反過來講這個更顯得顯示出我們這個中章投秒這個交通建設的緩慢或者頻頻發那當然這個事情不能完全怪交通部\n\n11\n00:03:42,372 --> 00:04:01,071\n因為這個中章投秒也有地方政府地方政府對於自己城市的建設的交通建設的積極度也有很大的關係但是不管怎麼樣交通部作為國家整個交通這個主管或者督導的這個機關\n\n12\n00:04:03,742 --> 00:04:26,507\n我覺得這個事情我們不能置身事外不能置身事外所以本席作為台中選出來的立委特別是台中海線選出來的立委本席還是要回過這個問題從TPASS的問題來看我們台中交通建設的這些問題我最近看到台中市政府送了橘線的案子當然藍線\n\n13\n00:04:28,577 --> 00:04:51,995\n我們也還沒開始動啦不過局限也送這個本席不反對多線齊發嘛趕快讓台中的捷運的交通網絡能夠早日來核定然後得到中央的補助這個過去本席這麼多年來持續的在爭取所以市政府送案的速度快本席並不反對但是呢本席對局限我就非常非常的有意見\n\n14\n00:04:53,676 --> 00:05:02,966\n那如果部長你了解臺中的這個這個地理狀況你就可以知道捷運局線這個001站叫做清泉崗國際機場那清泉崗國際機場離我們海線就清水市區大概3公里\n\n15\n00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:36,261\n大概3公里我也把圖標出來給大家看一下大概3公里但是市政府本席已經講過很多次但是本席是中央民代市政府大概也不大鳥我那所以這個短短的3公里卻不願意把它規劃進去所以我看了市政府送到交通部的案子裡面還是依然沒有這3公里\n\n16\n00:05:37,992 --> 00:06:02,125\n這三公里串聯了可以串聯高鐵可以讓海線過去發展長期最重要的一個城鎮就清水鎮覆地都可以整個包進去但市政府卻不送案所以本席我一直講過我再三強調這個市政府當然市長有他的權利他對於整個城市的規劃發展本席尊重因為他是民選的市長\n\n17\n00:06:03,117 --> 00:06:12,673\n但是啊送到中央來的案子只要沒有把清水納進去本期對經費中央經費補助預算本期就大有意見\n\n18\n00:06:14,133 --> 00:06:40,993\n本席就大有意見所以我會在這裡就先預告因為這個只是送案來審查那你要通過到未來整個細部設計到綜合規劃細部設計還有一段時間所以對於補助款項的撥補還有一段時間但本席現在先講我現在再講一次如果局限沒有把清水納入\n\n19\n00:06:42,154 --> 00:07:11,013\n本席對於中央的補助我就會有很強烈的反對意見我希望台中發展但不可以老是把海線給忘了海線已經相對落後的地方這3公里不把它補起來就交通專業來講就區域的發展而言這個都認為是很不正義的事情所以你的TPASS做得再好滿意度再高對我們那裡的人來講感覺很低\n\n20\n00:07:12,202 --> 00:07:16,228\n為什麼感覺很低?我們問一下就沒有捷運堂多但是這TPASS對我們是什麼留言?\n\n21\n00:07:18,493 --> 00:07:45,721\n海線雙軌我們爭取那麼久還好我們當時把整個台中環線做切割本席在當副院長的時候切割啊要求不可以把海線的雙軌化跟環線一起評估一起評估到現在還在評估嘛所以我們當時把它切割讓雙軌化單獨進行評估所以才可以在今年1月啊這個通過\n\n22\n00:07:48,877 --> 00:08:14,161\n中央的這個相關的這些可行性評估才可以通過那為什麼要切割因為雙軌化不做我們海線的火車班次就非常的少都會集中在山線而海線到今天還在單軌所以總算我們做了一件對的事情你們也這個從善如流遵照本席的意見把它做切割所以今天可以完成可行性評估接下來進入細部設計跟這個綜合規劃\n\n23\n00:08:19,630 --> 00:08:45,546\n那雙軌化完成之後我們總算才對譬如說你的TPASS我們會有感覺一點是因為我們的火車班次增多了我們海線要去高鐵要到要南北這個做鐵路的時候我們使用這個TPASS的頻率才會高嘛人次才會高嘛否則你中央訂了再好的政策都只是強化那個區域的不公平都只是強化了區域的不正義\n\n24\n00:08:47,045 --> 00:09:09,663\n所以本席今天要探討的是從我們海線的例子來告訴交通部當你們對於地方政府當然我講過市政府要怎麼規劃線路要怎麼畫這是他的權利啦但是中央在面對地方政府要上來爭取經費的時候對於這個區域的公平性啊對於區域的正義一定要這個堅持\n\n25\n00:09:11,141 --> 00:09:29,434\n那本席這個要求不是不合理嗎如果說我要求你把這路線再拉個20公里30公里到某一個地方這個其實是說實在話本位主義太強但是海線的鐵路雙軌化局限延伸到清水其實這個都是\n\n26\n00:09:31,707 --> 00:09:48,342\n政府應該做的沒有道理海線山線塞得要命大家火車密集到那個程度然後火車排不進去但是海線卻放任他這個當軌所以交通部先做了一件對的事情海線讓他雙軌\n\n27\n00:09:50,593 --> 00:10:18,763\n那當然接下來施工要快接下來局限短短的這個3公里就可以串接起這個海線阿非常大的一個區域但你卻到這裡市政府不規劃那交通部沒意見所以我沒有辦法要求市長但我可以要求部長在接下來市府的你們相關的對決運局限的會議跟溝通裡面一定要把本期的意見強烈的表達\n\n28\n00:10:20,291 --> 00:10:31,881\n強烈的表達否則的話本席會認為這個就是強化的區域不正義啦再一次強化區域的不正義所以這一點我希望部長可以來重視這個問題\n\n29\n00:10:34,308 --> 00:10:59,849\n也跟委員報告就是像現在臺中現在只有一條綠線不過藍線目前已經有比較好的進展在過去委員多次的這個催促跟協助現在藍線已經在進行設計的階段那只要機設經過工程會的審議通過之後就可以來辦理相關的發包的階段所以我想藍線已經進入接近實質建設的階段\n\n30\n00:11:01,610 --> 00:11:29,790\n那現在局限目前看起來規劃上就是缺這個往清水這一段的是不是來延伸那這部分我們會來跟臺中市政府再做溝通那來看怎麼樣讓這個部分的這個大家的期待能夠可以得到來實現這是我只是部長講說我知道啦你對臺中市政府的你也不能要求市長怎麼規劃我也不能要求市長怎麼規劃\n\n31\n00:11:30,931 --> 00:11:49,802\n但是別忘了臺中市局限要蓋他必須要中央來支持經費中央如果不支持這個局限是不可能可以蓋的所以我希望在審查的時候你一定要跟市政府講這個是蔡其昌堅持強烈要求\n\n32\n00:11:51,089 --> 00:12:17,863\n沒有做到這個事情我覺得這個是太荒謬的事太離譜太荒謬了海線不是二等公民啊海線雖然人口沒有市區多啊但是都叫台中市啊登記把海線放在旁邊儀器在旁邊讓海線的人當二等公民三等公民這合理嗎這個短短的一小段的路然後可以讓運量也可以增加然後他其實如果如果啦\n\n33\n00:12:19,534 --> 00:12:39,280\n這個市長是我來當我就把他拉到台中港了啦我再連接台中港那又是三公里而已嘛台中港現在發展成這個樣子然後你不把他連結這個我也覺得很荒謬好啦這個後話啦重點就是不可以再放任中央一定要強烈表達\n\n34\n00:12:41,627 --> 00:13:09,849\n對於這個規劃專業以及區域公平的問題這三公里沒有道理不做最後一個藍線剛剛本來我今天沒有要問了時間關係但部長也提到了本席這麼多年來在幫忙協助推動藍線中央的這些相關的經費的協助然後我要問的只有一個問題那個本席要求那個港務公司跟捷運共購這個案子交通部有沒有如你們已經承諾嘛這個當時的行政院\n\n35\n00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:35,305\n也承諾本席臺中港務公司的大樓已經老舊了臺中港長期沒有新的辦公大樓那捷運站在那個地方供購市政府我看他也改了圖了那我們到底這個南線到了這個臺中港港務公司的這一站這個新大樓的規劃有沒有同時如期的在進行\n\n36\n00:13:37,630 --> 00:13:50,674\n是不是會後我們把比較詳細的資料跟委員報告就是把進度跟我講一下啦因為你們已經承諾要做了嘛但是現在進度跟時程到底怎麼抓跟藍線的配合度這個一定要能夠把它連結起來好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5563\t8145\t謝謝主席,請李部長。請李部長。是,委員好。部長好。部長這個TPASS,這個上路一年了嘛。是。在議後特別預算裡面,我們編了3年200億的經費來做這個TPASS。\n30956\t51904\t本席是非常支持我認為這個對上班族來講其實都是很好的政策那我想民眾的滿意度我們做過調查嗎現在正在因為週年剛週年我們正在做調查現在在調查那你自己的預估民眾的滿意度大概會多高\n57032\t70917\t目前來講算是這個政策的負評是所有的交通政策裡面負評是比較少我個人滿意度會到什麼程度我目前沒有\n71697\t90820\t我希望你們積極去滿意度是一定會滿意因為政府3年編了200億來協助這些上班族減輕他們的負擔這個一定是滿意但我的意思是說滿意度之外我們要把不滿意的部分\n91917\t120300\t透過這個調查把不滿意的部分把它找出來然後來把它加以改正那我看了一下這個交通部這些相關的統計數據如果我們以這個臺灣的各地區我們來做一個比較的話我們可以很清楚的從數據上面看到這個基隆北北桃這個核定的預算數跟核撥的預算數其實都是相對最高\n121321\t138474\t換言之這個地方公共運輸不論是軌道或者是這個交通網公共運輸網絡的這個這個比例跟密度相對一定比較高因為人數差距不會很遠但為什麼你看這個這個核定預算數到預算撥付數\n142788\t154501\t這個基隆北北桃都比中部跟南部來得高那如果用各生活圈購買人數使用人數以及跨區使用的情形那使用量你可以看得到這個\n157576\t175251\t基隆台北北北桃很明顯的使用量是大過這個中樟頭苗跟南高坪那個倍數是非常驚人這個千萬大概臺中才兩千多萬\n176603\t203980\t高雄南高坪還有4000多萬那到了這個雞尾尾桃那個是大概快5億了吧所以明顯這個比例是幾乎是不成比例那為什麼不成比例呢其實我們用常識就可以知道這個跟你的公共運輸的量能密度都會有很結的關係所以如果這樣其實我們反過來從TPASS的\n204997\t221611\t的這個這個好的政策的實施反過來講這個更顯得顯示出我們這個中章投秒這個交通建設的緩慢或者頻頻發那當然這個事情不能完全怪交通部\n222372\t241071\t因為這個中章投秒也有地方政府地方政府對於自己城市的建設的交通建設的積極度也有很大的關係但是不管怎麼樣交通部作為國家整個交通這個主管或者督導的這個機關\n243742\t266507\t我覺得這個事情我們不能置身事外不能置身事外所以本席作為台中選出來的立委特別是台中海線選出來的立委本席還是要回過這個問題從TPASS的問題來看我們台中交通建設的這些問題我最近看到台中市政府送了橘線的案子當然藍線\n268577\t291995\t我們也還沒開始動啦 不過局限也送 這個本席不反對多線齊發嘛 趕快讓台中的捷運的交通網絡能夠早日來核定 然後得到中央的補助 這個過去本席這麼多年來持續的在爭取所以市政府送案的速度快 本席並不反對但是呢 本席對局限我就非常非常的有意見\n293676\t302966\t那如果部長你了解臺中的這個這個地理狀況你就可以知道捷運局線這個001站叫做清泉崗國際機場那清泉崗國際機場離我們海線就清水市區大概3公里\n312200\t336261\t大概3公里我也把圖標出來給大家看一下大概3公里但是市政府本席已經講過很多次但是本席是中央民代市政府大概也不大鳥我那所以這個短短的3公里卻不願意把它規劃進去所以我看了市政府送到交通部的案子裡面還是依然沒有這3公里\n337992\t362125\t這三公里串聯了可以串聯高鐵可以讓海線過去發展長期最重要的一個城鎮就清水鎮覆地都可以整個包進去但市政府卻不送案所以本席我一直講過我再三強調這個市政府當然市長有他的權利他對於整個城市的規劃發展本席尊重因為他是民選的市長\n363117\t372673\t但是啊 送到中央來的案子只要沒有把清水納進去本期對經費 中央經費補助預算本期就大有意見\n374133\t400993\t本席就大有意見所以我會在這裡就先預告因為這個只是送案來審查那你要通過到未來整個細部設計到綜合規劃細部設計還有一段時間所以對於補助款項的撥補還有一段時間但本席現在先講我現在再講一次如果局限沒有把清水納入\n402154\t431013\t本席對於中央的補助我就會有很強烈的反對意見我希望台中發展但不可以老是把海線給忘了海線已經相對落後的地方這3公里不把它補起來就交通專業來講就區域的發展而言這個都認為是很不正義的事情所以你的TPASS做得再好滿意度再高對我們那裡的人來講感覺很低\n432202\t436228\t為什麼感覺很低?我們問一下就沒有捷運堂多但是這TPASS對我們是什麼留言?\n438493\t465721\t海線雙軌我們爭取那麼久還好我們當時把整個台中環線做切割本席在當副院長的時候切割啊要求不可以把海線的雙軌化跟環線一起評估一起評估到現在還在評估嘛所以我們當時把它切割讓雙軌化單獨進行評估所以才可以在今年1月啊這個通過\n466920\t467944\t這個\n468877\t494161\t中央的這個相關的這些可行性評估才可以通過那為什麼要切割因為雙軌化不做我們海線的火車班次就非常的少都會集中在山線而海線到今天還在單軌所以總算我們做了一件對的事情你們也這個從善如流遵照本席的意見把它做切割所以今天可以完成可行性評估接下來進入細部設計跟這個綜合規劃\n499630\t525546\t那雙軌化完成之後我們總算才對譬如說你的TPASS我們會有感覺一點是因為我們的火車班次增多了我們海線要去高鐵要到要南北這個做鐵路的時候我們使用這個TPASS的頻率才會高嘛人次才會高嘛否則你中央訂了再好的政策都只是強化那個區域的不公平都只是強化了區域的不正義\n527045\t549663\t所以本席今天要探討的是從我們海線的例子來告訴交通部當你們對於地方政府當然我講過市政府要怎麼規劃線路要怎麼畫這是他的權利啦但是中央在面對地方政府要上來爭取經費的時候對於這個區域的公平性啊對於區域的正義一定要這個堅持\n551141\t569434\t那本席這個要求不是不合理嗎如果說我要求你把這路線再拉個20公里30公里到某一個地方這個其實是說實在話本位主義太強但是海線的鐵路雙軌化局限延伸到清水其實這個都是\n571707\t588342\t政府應該做的沒有道理海線山線塞得要命大家火車密集到那個程度然後火車排不進去但是海線卻放任他這個當軌所以交通部先做了一件對的事情海線讓他雙軌\n590593\t618763\t那當然接下來施工要快接下來局限短短的這個3公里就可以串接起這個海線阿非常大的一個區域但你卻到這裡市政府不規劃那交通部沒意見所以我沒有辦法要求市長但我可以要求部長在接下來市府的你們相關的對決運局限的會議跟溝通裡面一定要把本期的意見強烈的表達\n620291\t631881\t強烈的表達否則的話本席會認為這個就是強化的區域不正義啦再一次強化區域的不正義所以這一點我希望部長可以來重視這個問題\n634308\t659849\t也跟委員報告就是像現在臺中現在只有一條綠線不過藍線目前已經有比較好的進展在過去委員多次的這個催促跟協助現在藍線已經在進行設計的階段那只要機設經過工程會的審議通過之後就可以來辦理相關的發包的階段所以我想藍線已經進入接近實質建設的階段\n661610\t689790\t那現在局限目前看起來規劃上就是缺這個往清水這一段的是不是來延伸那這部分我們會來跟臺中市政府再做溝通那來看怎麼樣讓這個部分的這個大家的期待能夠可以得到來實現這是我只是部長講說我知道啦你對臺中市政府的你也不能要求市長怎麼規劃我也不能要求市長怎麼規劃\n690931\t709802\t但是別忘了臺中市局限要蓋他必須要中央來支持經費中央如果不支持這個局限是不可能可以蓋的所以我希望在審查的時候你一定要跟市政府講這個是蔡其昌堅持強烈要求\n711089\t737863\t沒有做到這個事情我覺得這個是太荒謬的事太離譜太荒謬了海線不是二等公民啊海線雖然人口沒有市區多啊但是都叫台中市啊登記把海線放在旁邊儀器在旁邊讓海線的人當二等公民三等公民這合理嗎這個短短的一小段的路然後可以讓運量也可以增加然後他其實如果如果啦\n739534\t759280\t這個市長是我來當我就把他拉到台中港了啦我再連接台中港那又是三公里而已嘛台中港現在發展成這個樣子然後你不把他連結這個我也覺得很荒謬好啦這個後話啦重點就是不可以再放任中央一定要強烈表達\n761627\t789849\t對於這個規劃專業以及區域公平的問題這三公里沒有道理不做最後一個藍線剛剛本來我今天沒有要問了時間關係但部長也提到了本席這麼多年來在幫忙協助推動藍線中央的這些相關的經費的協助然後我要問的只有一個問題那個本席要求那個港務公司跟捷運共購這個案子交通部有沒有如你們已經承諾嘛這個當時的行政院\n790919\t815305\t也承諾本席臺中港務公司的大樓已經老舊了臺中港長期沒有新的辦公大樓那捷運站在那個地方供購市政府我看他也改了圖了那我們到底這個南線到了這個臺中港港務公司的這一站這個新大樓的規劃有沒有同時如期的在進行\n817630\t830674\t是不是會後我們把比較詳細的資料跟委員報告就是把進度跟我講一下啦因為你們已經承諾要做了嘛但是現在進度跟時程到底怎麼抓跟藍線的配合度這個一定要能夠把它連結起來好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,請李部長。請李部長。是,委員好。部長好。部長這個TPASS,這個上路一年了嘛。是。在議後特別預算裡面,我們編了3年200億的經費來做這個TPASS。\n本席是非常支持我認為這個對上班族來講其實都是很好的政策那我想民眾的滿意度我們做過調查嗎現在正在因為週年剛週年我們正在做調查現在在調查那你自己的預估民眾的滿意度大概會多高\n目前來講算是這個政策的負評是所有的交通政策裡面負評是比較少我個人滿意度會到什麼程度我目前沒有\n我希望你們積極去滿意度是一定會滿意因為政府3年編了200億來協助這些上班族減輕他們的負擔這個一定是滿意但我的意思是說滿意度之外我們要把不滿意的部分\n透過這個調查把不滿意的部分把它找出來然後來把它加以改正那我看了一下這個交通部這些相關的統計數據如果我們以這個臺灣的各地區我們來做一個比較的話我們可以很清楚的從數據上面看到這個基隆北北桃這個核定的預算數跟核撥的預算數其實都是相對最高\n換言之這個地方公共運輸不論是軌道或者是這個交通網公共運輸網絡的這個這個比例跟密度相對一定比較高因為人數差距不會很遠但為什麼你看這個這個核定預算數到預算撥付數\n這個基隆北北桃都比中部跟南部來得高那如果用各生活圈購買人數使用人數以及跨區使用的情形那使用量你可以看得到這個\n基隆台北北北桃很明顯的使用量是大過這個中樟頭苗跟南高坪那個倍數是非常驚人這個千萬大概臺中才兩千多萬\n高雄南高坪還有4000多萬那到了這個雞尾尾桃那個是大概快5億了吧所以明顯這個比例是幾乎是不成比例那為什麼不成比例呢其實我們用常識就可以知道這個跟你的公共運輸的量能密度都會有很結的關係所以如果這樣其實我們反過來從TPASS的\n的這個這個好的政策的實施反過來講這個更顯得顯示出我們這個中章投秒這個交通建設的緩慢或者頻頻發那當然這個事情不能完全怪交通部\n因為這個中章投秒也有地方政府地方政府對於自己城市的建設的交通建設的積極度也有很大的關係但是不管怎麼樣交通部作為國家整個交通這個主管或者督導的這個機關\n我覺得這個事情我們不能置身事外不能置身事外所以本席作為台中選出來的立委特別是台中海線選出來的立委本席還是要回過這個問題從TPASS的問題來看我們台中交通建設的這些問題我最近看到台中市政府送了橘線的案子當然藍線\n我們也還沒開始動啦 不過局限也送 這個本席不反對多線齊發嘛 趕快讓台中的捷運的交通網絡能夠早日來核定 然後得到中央的補助 這個過去本席這麼多年來持續的在爭取所以市政府送案的速度快 本席並不反對但是呢 本席對局限我就非常非常的有意見\n那如果部長你了解臺中的這個這個地理狀況你就可以知道捷運局線這個001站叫做清泉崗國際機場那清泉崗國際機場離我們海線就清水市區大概3公里\n大概3公里我也把圖標出來給大家看一下大概3公里但是市政府本席已經講過很多次但是本席是中央民代市政府大概也不大鳥我那所以這個短短的3公里卻不願意把它規劃進去所以我看了市政府送到交通部的案子裡面還是依然沒有這3公里\n這三公里串聯了可以串聯高鐵可以讓海線過去發展長期最重要的一個城鎮就清水鎮覆地都可以整個包進去但市政府卻不送案所以本席我一直講過我再三強調這個市政府當然市長有他的權利他對於整個城市的規劃發展本席尊重因為他是民選的市長\n但是啊 送到中央來的案子只要沒有把清水納進去本期對經費 中央經費補助預算本期就大有意見\n本席就大有意見所以我會在這裡就先預告因為這個只是送案來審查那你要通過到未來整個細部設計到綜合規劃細部設計還有一段時間所以對於補助款項的撥補還有一段時間但本席現在先講我現在再講一次如果局限沒有把清水納入\n本席對於中央的補助我就會有很強烈的反對意見我希望台中發展但不可以老是把海線給忘了海線已經相對落後的地方這3公里不把它補起來就交通專業來講就區域的發展而言這個都認為是很不正義的事情所以你的TPASS做得再好滿意度再高對我們那裡的人來講感覺很低\n為什麼感覺很低?我們問一下就沒有捷運堂多但是這TPASS對我們是什麼留言?\n海線雙軌我們爭取那麼久還好我們當時把整個台中環線做切割本席在當副院長的時候切割啊要求不可以把海線的雙軌化跟環線一起評估一起評估到現在還在評估嘛所以我們當時把它切割讓雙軌化單獨進行評估所以才可以在今年1月啊這個通過\n這個\n中央的這個相關的這些可行性評估才可以通過那為什麼要切割因為雙軌化不做我們海線的火車班次就非常的少都會集中在山線而海線到今天還在單軌所以總算我們做了一件對的事情你們也這個從善如流遵照本席的意見把它做切割所以今天可以完成可行性評估接下來進入細部設計跟這個綜合規劃\n那雙軌化完成之後我們總算才對譬如說你的TPASS我們會有感覺一點是因為我們的火車班次增多了我們海線要去高鐵要到要南北這個做鐵路的時候我們使用這個TPASS的頻率才會高嘛人次才會高嘛否則你中央訂了再好的政策都只是強化那個區域的不公平都只是強化了區域的不正義\n所以本席今天要探討的是從我們海線的例子來告訴交通部當你們對於地方政府當然我講過市政府要怎麼規劃線路要怎麼畫這是他的權利啦但是中央在面對地方政府要上來爭取經費的時候對於這個區域的公平性啊對於區域的正義一定要這個堅持\n那本席這個要求不是不合理嗎如果說我要求你把這路線再拉個20公里30公里到某一個地方這個其實是說實在話本位主義太強但是海線的鐵路雙軌化局限延伸到清水其實這個都是\n政府應該做的沒有道理海線山線塞得要命大家火車密集到那個程度然後火車排不進去但是海線卻放任他這個當軌所以交通部先做了一件對的事情海線讓他雙軌\n那當然接下來施工要快接下來局限短短的這個3公里就可以串接起這個海線阿非常大的一個區域但你卻到這裡市政府不規劃那交通部沒意見所以我沒有辦法要求市長但我可以要求部長在接下來市府的你們相關的對決運局限的會議跟溝通裡面一定要把本期的意見強烈的表達\n強烈的表達否則的話本席會認為這個就是強化的區域不正義啦再一次強化區域的不正義所以這一點我希望部長可以來重視這個問題\n也跟委員報告就是像現在臺中現在只有一條綠線不過藍線目前已經有比較好的進展在過去委員多次的這個催促跟協助現在藍線已經在進行設計的階段那只要機設經過工程會的審議通過之後就可以來辦理相關的發包的階段所以我想藍線已經進入接近實質建設的階段\n那現在局限目前看起來規劃上就是缺這個往清水這一段的是不是來延伸那這部分我們會來跟臺中市政府再做溝通那來看怎麼樣讓這個部分的這個大家的期待能夠可以得到來實現這是我只是部長講說我知道啦你對臺中市政府的你也不能要求市長怎麼規劃我也不能要求市長怎麼規劃\n但是別忘了臺中市局限要蓋他必須要中央來支持經費中央如果不支持這個局限是不可能可以蓋的所以我希望在審查的時候你一定要跟市政府講這個是蔡其昌堅持強烈要求\n沒有做到這個事情我覺得這個是太荒謬的事太離譜太荒謬了海線不是二等公民啊海線雖然人口沒有市區多啊但是都叫台中市啊登記把海線放在旁邊儀器在旁邊讓海線的人當二等公民三等公民這合理嗎這個短短的一小段的路然後可以讓運量也可以增加然後他其實如果如果啦\n這個市長是我來當我就把他拉到台中港了啦我再連接台中港那又是三公里而已嘛台中港現在發展成這個樣子然後你不把他連結這個我也覺得很荒謬好啦這個後話啦重點就是不可以再放任中央一定要強烈表達\n對於這個規劃專業以及區域公平的問題這三公里沒有道理不做最後一個藍線剛剛本來我今天沒有要問了時間關係但部長也提到了本席這麼多年來在幫忙協助推動藍線中央的這些相關的經費的協助然後我要問的只有一個問題那個本席要求那個港務公司跟捷運共購這個案子交通部有沒有如你們已經承諾嘛這個當時的行政院\n也承諾本席臺中港務公司的大樓已經老舊了臺中港長期沒有新的辦公大樓那捷運站在那個地方供購市政府我看他也改了圖了那我們到底這個南線到了這個臺中港港務公司的這一站這個新大樓的規劃有沒有同時如期的在進行\n是不是會後我們把比較詳細的資料跟委員報告就是把進度跟我講一下啦因為你們已經承諾要做了嘛但是現在進度跟時程到底怎麼抓跟藍線的配合度這個一定要能夠把它連結起來好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.563 --> 00:08.145\n謝謝主席,請李部長。請李部長。是,委員好。部長好。部長這個TPASS,這個上路一年了嘛。是。在議後特別預算裡面,我們編了3年200億的經費來做這個TPASS。\n\n00:30.956 --> 00:51.904\n本席是非常支持我認為這個對上班族來講其實都是很好的政策那我想民眾的滿意度我們做過調查嗎現在正在因為週年剛週年我們正在做調查現在在調查那你自己的預估民眾的滿意度大概會多高\n\n00:57.032 --> 01:10.917\n目前來講算是這個政策的負評是所有的交通政策裡面負評是比較少我個人滿意度會到什麼程度我目前沒有\n\n01:11.697 --> 01:30.820\n我希望你們積極去滿意度是一定會滿意因為政府3年編了200億來協助這些上班族減輕他們的負擔這個一定是滿意但我的意思是說滿意度之外我們要把不滿意的部分\n\n01:31.917 --> 02:00.300\n透過這個調查把不滿意的部分把它找出來然後來把它加以改正那我看了一下這個交通部這些相關的統計數據如果我們以這個臺灣的各地區我們來做一個比較的話我們可以很清楚的從數據上面看到這個基隆北北桃這個核定的預算數跟核撥的預算數其實都是相對最高\n\n02:01.321 --> 02:18.474\n換言之這個地方公共運輸不論是軌道或者是這個交通網公共運輸網絡的這個這個比例跟密度相對一定比較高因為人數差距不會很遠但為什麼你看這個這個核定預算數到預算撥付數\n\n02:22.788 --> 02:34.501\n這個基隆北北桃都比中部跟南部來得高那如果用各生活圈購買人數使用人數以及跨區使用的情形那使用量你可以看得到這個\n\n02:37.576 --> 02:55.251\n基隆台北北北桃很明顯的使用量是大過這個中樟頭苗跟南高坪那個倍數是非常驚人這個千萬大概臺中才兩千多萬\n\n02:56.603 --> 03:23.980\n高雄南高坪還有4000多萬那到了這個雞尾尾桃那個是大概快5億了吧所以明顯這個比例是幾乎是不成比例那為什麼不成比例呢其實我們用常識就可以知道這個跟你的公共運輸的量能密度都會有很結的關係所以如果這樣其實我們反過來從TPASS的\n\n03:24.997 --> 03:41.611\n的這個這個好的政策的實施反過來講這個更顯得顯示出我們這個中章投秒這個交通建設的緩慢或者頻頻發那當然這個事情不能完全怪交通部\n\n03:42.372 --> 04:01.071\n因為這個中章投秒也有地方政府地方政府對於自己城市的建設的交通建設的積極度也有很大的關係但是不管怎麼樣交通部作為國家整個交通這個主管或者督導的這個機關\n\n04:03.742 --> 04:26.507\n我覺得這個事情我們不能置身事外不能置身事外所以本席作為台中選出來的立委特別是台中海線選出來的立委本席還是要回過這個問題從TPASS的問題來看我們台中交通建設的這些問題我最近看到台中市政府送了橘線的案子當然藍線\n\n04:28.577 --> 04:51.995\n我們也還沒開始動啦不過局限也送這個本席不反對多線齊發嘛趕快讓台中的捷運的交通網絡能夠早日來核定然後得到中央的補助這個過去本席這麼多年來持續的在爭取所以市政府送案的速度快本席並不反對但是呢本席對局限我就非常非常的有意見\n\n04:53.676 --> 05:02.966\n那如果部長你了解臺中的這個這個地理狀況你就可以知道捷運局線這個001站叫做清泉崗國際機場那清泉崗國際機場離我們海線就清水市區大概3公里\n\n05:12.200 --> 05:36.261\n大概3公里我也把圖標出來給大家看一下大概3公里但是市政府本席已經講過很多次但是本席是中央民代市政府大概也不大鳥我那所以這個短短的3公里卻不願意把它規劃進去所以我看了市政府送到交通部的案子裡面還是依然沒有這3公里\n\n05:37.992 --> 06:02.125\n這三公里串聯了可以串聯高鐵可以讓海線過去發展長期最重要的一個城鎮就清水鎮覆地都可以整個包進去但市政府卻不送案所以本席我一直講過我再三強調這個市政府當然市長有他的權利他對於整個城市的規劃發展本席尊重因為他是民選的市長\n\n06:03.117 --> 06:12.673\n但是啊送到中央來的案子只要沒有把清水納進去本期對經費中央經費補助預算本期就大有意見\n\n06:14.133 --> 06:40.993\n本席就大有意見所以我會在這裡就先預告因為這個只是送案來審查那你要通過到未來整個細部設計到綜合規劃細部設計還有一段時間所以對於補助款項的撥補還有一段時間但本席現在先講我現在再講一次如果局限沒有把清水納入\n\n06:42.154 --> 07:11.013\n本席對於中央的補助我就會有很強烈的反對意見我希望台中發展但不可以老是把海線給忘了海線已經相對落後的地方這3公里不把它補起來就交通專業來講就區域的發展而言這個都認為是很不正義的事情所以你的TPASS做得再好滿意度再高對我們那裡的人來講感覺很低\n\n07:12.202 --> 07:16.228\n為什麼感覺很低?我們問一下就沒有捷運堂多但是這TPASS對我們是什麼留言?\n\n07:18.493 --> 07:45.721\n海線雙軌我們爭取那麼久還好我們當時把整個台中環線做切割本席在當副院長的時候切割啊要求不可以把海線的雙軌化跟環線一起評估一起評估到現在還在評估嘛所以我們當時把它切割讓雙軌化單獨進行評估所以才可以在今年1月啊這個通過\n\n07:48.877 --> 08:14.161\n中央的這個相關的這些可行性評估才可以通過那為什麼要切割因為雙軌化不做我們海線的火車班次就非常的少都會集中在山線而海線到今天還在單軌所以總算我們做了一件對的事情你們也這個從善如流遵照本席的意見把它做切割所以今天可以完成可行性評估接下來進入細部設計跟這個綜合規劃\n\n08:19.630 --> 08:45.546\n那雙軌化完成之後我們總算才對譬如說你的TPASS我們會有感覺一點是因為我們的火車班次增多了我們海線要去高鐵要到要南北這個做鐵路的時候我們使用這個TPASS的頻率才會高嘛人次才會高嘛否則你中央訂了再好的政策都只是強化那個區域的不公平都只是強化了區域的不正義\n\n08:47.045 --> 09:09.663\n所以本席今天要探討的是從我們海線的例子來告訴交通部當你們對於地方政府當然我講過市政府要怎麼規劃線路要怎麼畫這是他的權利啦但是中央在面對地方政府要上來爭取經費的時候對於這個區域的公平性啊對於區域的正義一定要這個堅持\n\n09:11.141 --> 09:29.434\n那本席這個要求不是不合理嗎如果說我要求你把這路線再拉個20公里30公里到某一個地方這個其實是說實在話本位主義太強但是海線的鐵路雙軌化局限延伸到清水其實這個都是\n\n09:31.707 --> 09:48.342\n政府應該做的沒有道理海線山線塞得要命大家火車密集到那個程度然後火車排不進去但是海線卻放任他這個當軌所以交通部先做了一件對的事情海線讓他雙軌\n\n09:50.593 --> 10:18.763\n那當然接下來施工要快接下來局限短短的這個3公里就可以串接起這個海線阿非常大的一個區域但你卻到這裡市政府不規劃那交通部沒意見所以我沒有辦法要求市長但我可以要求部長在接下來市府的你們相關的對決運局限的會議跟溝通裡面一定要把本期的意見強烈的表達\n\n10:20.291 --> 10:31.881\n強烈的表達否則的話本席會認為這個就是強化的區域不正義啦再一次強化區域的不正義所以這一點我希望部長可以來重視這個問題\n\n10:34.308 --> 10:59.849\n也跟委員報告就是像現在臺中現在只有一條綠線不過藍線目前已經有比較好的進展在過去委員多次的這個催促跟協助現在藍線已經在進行設計的階段那只要機設經過工程會的審議通過之後就可以來辦理相關的發包的階段所以我想藍線已經進入接近實質建設的階段\n\n11:01.610 --> 11:29.790\n那現在局限目前看起來規劃上就是缺這個往清水這一段的是不是來延伸那這部分我們會來跟臺中市政府再做溝通那來看怎麼樣讓這個部分的這個大家的期待能夠可以得到來實現這是我只是部長講說我知道啦你對臺中市政府的你也不能要求市長怎麼規劃我也不能要求市長怎麼規劃\n\n11:30.931 --> 11:49.802\n但是別忘了臺中市局限要蓋他必須要中央來支持經費中央如果不支持這個局限是不可能可以蓋的所以我希望在審查的時候你一定要跟市政府講這個是蔡其昌堅持強烈要求\n\n11:51.089 --> 12:17.863\n沒有做到這個事情我覺得這個是太荒謬的事太離譜太荒謬了海線不是二等公民啊海線雖然人口沒有市區多啊但是都叫台中市啊登記把海線放在旁邊儀器在旁邊讓海線的人當二等公民三等公民這合理嗎這個短短的一小段的路然後可以讓運量也可以增加然後他其實如果如果啦\n\n12:19.534 --> 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