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00:00:10,881\n今天我們討論的TPASS我想也涉及到了這個大眾運輸系統的問題那我也事先肯定也感謝我看交通部在禮拜一的下午也發了一個貼文來講說臺中的捷運五線起發要來支持臺中發展\n\n2\n00:00:35,945 --> 00:00:36,045\n衛根部長\n\n3\n00:00:55,596 --> 00:01:22,566\n給信心喊話一下部長如果你真的這個按照臉書貼文的五線啟發全力的支持台中把它做好我想部長有一天來選台中市長搞不好會當選我想台中人都很務實也很現實如果你幫我把這蓋好了我想大家都會非常感謝你所以說部長先跟大家跟本席簡單說明一下到底這五線啟發的這個狀況目前的在交通部的進度跟市府的幫的這個狀況下面交通部要怎麼協助市府來做到這個五線啟發的狀況\n\n4\n00:01:25,349 --> 00:01:53,705\n首先謝謝委員的這個我想第一個就是說藍線藍線目前是整個這幾條線裡面進度最快因為它已經經過中規已經核定而且環評也過環評也通過了所以現在只要它的相關的設計基設的部分經過工程會的審議那它就可以進入包括像用地取得還有包括招標的階段\n\n5\n00:01:54,525 --> 00:02:17,198\n那當然有一些細節像過去在臺灣大道那邊跟火車跟台鐵還有相關捷運站跟供購的方案當時核定的時候是先有一個事後要提出有條件的核定事後要提出這邊的細部的規劃那這個部分是否也提出相關的規劃那也經過交通部大家的審查覺得這個規劃是可行的\n\n6\n00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:18,539\n主席\n\n7\n00:02:37,711 --> 00:02:59,349\n就是說如果遇到細節遇到困難那假設那些細節困難不是馬上立即就可以解決的那也許我們就先繼續往下走比如說可行性先核定那有些部分細節困難要要要後續解決的部分在中規之前把它處理把它完成比如說像綠線延伸到彰化\n\n8\n00:03:00,851 --> 00:03:19,590\n當時也是可行先核定,但是彰化的這個部分有一個都市計畫,彰東都市計畫還沒有確定,那當時就附帶的方式,就是在中歸的階段之前都市計畫要發布、實施。所以我想用這樣的原則,可以讓一些計畫的進行審議,不會因為卡在細節。\n\n9\n00:03:22,893 --> 00:03:44,946\n好部長謝謝其實我就是要跟你講這個就是過去有藍線的經驗有綠線本就是原則這現在綠線這條的經驗很多時候就真的在可歸在文書作業上這個在時間上拖太久了包含說我們這次送案的這個局限當年送案是民國105年現在民國113年當然都還在這個紙上作業的階段所以我們希望說\n\n10\n00:03:46,466 --> 00:04:14,251\n記取前面這兩條線的這目前的藍線已經過了這個綜合綜合規劃那綠線已經正在跑了這兩個線的這個經驗就是文書的這個文件上的作業啊這個會議的流程啊我們希望能夠加速一點有任何的疑問有任何的問題因為我其實過去看到藍線也好綠線延伸也好或是綠線也好很多時候在這個可惜性規劃的時候都是因為會議不斷的開完之後有意見回去再等三個月再回來\n\n11\n00:04:15,211 --> 00:04:15,451\n臺中市政府﹖\n\n12\n00:04:43,237 --> 00:05:06,924\n我想臺中市是已經是全國第二大城市那確實是應該要有一個健全的捷運的網路才能夠讓臺中市民行的安全行的便利更加的提升而且也符合一個國際都市的一個規模跟這個架構那我們會後續這幾條路線我們都會秉持這樣的原則跟中央地方是一個夥伴關係那從來促成\n\n13\n00:05:08,905 --> 00:05:36,963\n好新部長那提到TPASS的問題其實今天為什麼特別提捷運我給大家看一個數據我這個不是針對高雄但是因為剛好這個南高屏跟中張頭的月票都是999元我們用相同的基準來比較這個數字當然高雄捷運的月運量人次比台中多非常多那台中現在月運量是只有124萬平均124萬以六月來講的話那高雄捷運加輕軌是602萬那使用TPASS的人數跟比例\n\n14\n00:05:37,923 --> 00:05:53,297\n臺中捷運的確明顯的使用月票的比例是83%換句話說所以臺中現在雖然就一條捷運但他使用的這個比例來講其實非常非常高所以我們還是要支持也是支持也肯定說當初推動這TPASS那但是\n\n15\n00:05:54,278 --> 00:06:15,299\n我們使用比例高但是問題就在於說我的運量整體的捷運就只有一條所以為什麼今天特別要去提捷運五線奇葩是對台中那麼重要就是因為這個TPASS的確對市民來講他是一個能夠有效的利用的這個工具那我們希望說未來如果台中的月運量人數跟我們台中的捷運的這個規劃的這個線路\n\n16\n00:06:17,941 --> 00:06:42,276\n跟追上高雄之後我們如果維持這樣同樣的月票比例我想這個TPASS在推動大眾運輸上面就有實際的效果但是我們回到這個實際面上來看這個TPASS月票使用情況我們當初在推動TPASS的時候除了去讓使用者更方便之外其實本身也應該是希望說有更多的人來使用大眾運輸但是我們從數據上來看的話\n\n17\n00:06:43,777 --> 00:06:59,164\n每個月每個月的起起伏伏都會有變動但是很明顯的從去年推出來到現在大約去年的10月跟去年的12月人數突然增加到70萬但是今年以來大概人數\n\n18\n00:06:59,844 --> 00:07:00,264\n李孟雄議員\n\n19\n00:07:30,876 --> 00:07:48,377\n確實目前大概平均是64萬就是從實施以來到目前為止那確實是我們覺得這個還有成長空間那所以我們在年底會推出TPASS2.0那針對不是月的使用量比如說它是短天期的\n\n20\n00:07:48,677 --> 00:07:48,817\n好部長當然\n\n21\n00:08:04,239 --> 00:08:23,289\n對於觀光客短期票這份我覺得這個是比較屬於觀光但是我想要提到的是說其實應該是針對國內的使用者因為像比如說像TPASS它本身現在的方向是以鎖定區域比如說我剛剛提到的中張頭、高高屏、北北基桃等等是用區域的方式但是以本席自己的生活經驗過去的生活經驗包含可能部長也是\n\n22\n00:08:24,329 --> 00:08:40,367\n我們以前我是台中人在台北念書所以我固定我可能每個禮拜五都要回台中那像這樣的學生通勤票他是不是也可以有一個吃到飽的狀況一個吃到飽的方案提供跨縣式的或是自選方案當然這是需要經過細部的設計讓層級之間的移動\n\n23\n00:08:43,931 --> 00:09:13,440\n跨區的成績移動他也是很固定式的我覺得要使用我可能用年度的或一季或一個月的方式來使用我覺得這個也是另外的方向去思考這一塊的這個族群因為我想多數的這個很多大專業比如很多大專業教在台北在這個北北基桃但是全台灣有很多學生他是北上來這邊念書或者是流動人口流動要固定的往返的這一塊尤其看到你看到現在包括說我們很多車站也好不論台北也好台中也好高雄也好幾個大站\n\n24\n00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:14,061\n李孟諺\n\n25\n00:09:32,244 --> 00:09:32,344\n部長可以嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:53,678 --> 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新部長那提到TPASS的問題其實今天為什麼特別提捷運我給大家看一個數據我這個不是針對高雄但是因為剛好這個南高屏跟中張頭的月票都是999元我們用相同的基準來比較這個數字當然高雄捷運的月運量人次比台中多 非常多那台中現在月運量是只有124萬平均124萬以六月來講的話那高雄捷運加輕軌是602萬那使用TPASS的人數跟比例\n337923\t353297\t臺中捷運的確明顯的使用月票的比例是83%換句話說所以臺中現在雖然就一條捷運但他使用的這個比例來講其實非常非常高所以我們還是要支持也是支持也肯定說當初推動這TPASS那但是\n354278\t375299\t我們使用比例高但是問題就在於說我的運量整體的捷運就只有一條所以為什麼今天特別要去提捷運五線奇葩是對台中那麼重要就是因為這個TPASS的確對市民來講他是一個能夠有效的利用的這個工具那我們希望說未來如果台中的月運量人數跟我們台中的捷運的這個規劃的這個線路\n377941\t402276\t跟追上高雄之後我們如果維持這樣同樣的月票比例我想這個TPASS在推動大眾運輸上面就有實際的效果但是我們回到這個實際面上來看這個TPASS月票使用情況我們當初在推動TPASS的時候除了去讓使用者更方便之外其實本身也應該是希望說有更多的人來使用大眾運輸但是我們從數據上來看的話\n403777\t419164\t每個月每個月的起起伏伏都會有變動但是很明顯的從去年推出來到現在大約去年的10月跟去年的12月人數突然增加到70萬但是今年以來大概人數\n419844\t420264\t李孟雄議員\n450876\t468377\t確實目前大概平均是64萬就是從實施以來到目前為止那確實是我們覺得這個還有成長空間那所以我們在年底會推出TPASS 2.0那針對不是月的使用量比如說它是短天期的\n468677\t468817\t好部長當然\n484239\t503289\t對於觀光客短期票這份我覺得這個是比較屬於觀光但是我想要提到的是說其實應該是針對國內的使用者因為像比如說像TPASS它本身現在的方向是以鎖定區域比如說我剛剛提到的中張頭、高高屏、北北基桃等等是用區域的方式但是以本席自己的生活經驗過去的生活經驗包含可能部長也是\n504329\t520367\t我們以前我是台中人在台北念書所以我固定我可能每個禮拜五都要回台中那像這樣的學生通勤票他是不是也可以有一個吃到飽的狀況一個吃到飽的方案提供跨縣式的或是自選方案當然這是需要經過細部的設計讓層級之間的移動\n523931\t553440\t跨區的成績移動他也是很固定式的我覺得要使用我可能用年度的或一季或一個月的方式來使用我覺得這個也是另外的方向去思考這一塊的這個族群因為我想多數的這個很多大專業比如很多大專業教在台北在這個北北基桃但是全台灣有很多學生他是北上來這邊念書或者是流動人口流動要固定的往返的這一塊尤其看到你看到現在包括說我們很多車站也好不論台北也好台中也好高雄也好幾個大站\n553800\t554061\t李孟諺\n572244\t572344\t部長可以嗎?\n593678\t593798\t好 謝謝 謝謝部長\n","txt":"今天我們討論的TPASS我想也涉及到了這個大眾運輸系統的問題那我也事先肯定也感謝我看交通部在禮拜一的下午也發了一個貼文來講說臺中的捷運五線起發要來支持臺中發展\n衛根部長\n給信心喊話一下部長如果你真的這個按照臉書貼文的五線啟發全力的支持台中把它做好我想部長有一天來選台中市長搞不好會當選我想台中人都很務實也很現實如果你幫我把這蓋好了我想大家都會非常感謝你所以說部長先跟大家跟本席簡單說明一下到底這五線啟發的這個狀況目前的在交通部的進度跟市府的幫的這個狀況下面交通部要怎麼協助市府來做到這個五線啟發的狀況\n首先謝謝委員的這個我想第一個就是說藍線藍線目前是整個這幾條線裡面進度最快因為它已經經過中規已經核定而且環評也過環評也通過了所以現在只要它的相關的設計基設的部分經過工程會的審議那它就可以進入包括像用地取得還有包括招標的階段\n那當然有一些細節像過去在臺灣大道那邊跟火車跟台鐵還有相關捷運站跟供購的方案當時核定的時候是先有一個事後要提出有條件的核定事後要提出這邊的細部的規劃那這個部分是否也提出相關的規劃那也經過交通部大家的審查覺得這個規劃是可行的\n主席\n就是說如果遇到細節遇到困難那假設那些細節困難不是馬上立即就可以解決的那也許我們就先繼續往下走比如說可行性先核定那有些部分細節困難要要要後續解決的部分在中規之前把它處理把它完成比如說像綠線延伸到彰化\n當時也是可行先核定,但是彰化的這個部分有一個都市計畫,彰東都市計畫還沒有確定,那當時就附帶的方式,就是在中歸的階段之前都市計畫要發布、實施。所以我想用這樣的原則,可以讓一些計畫的進行審議,不會因為卡在細節。\n好部長謝謝其實我就是要跟你講這個就是過去有藍線的經驗有綠線本就是原則這現在綠線這條的經驗很多時候就真的在可歸在文書作業上這個在時間上拖太久了包含說我們這次送案的這個局限當年送案是民國105年現在民國113年當然都還在這個紙上作業的階段所以我們希望說\n記取前面這兩條線的這目前的藍線已經過了這個綜合綜合規劃那綠線已經正在跑了這兩個線的這個經驗就是文書的這個文件上的作業啊這個會議的流程啊我們希望能夠加速一點有任何的疑問有任何的問題因為我其實過去看到藍線也好綠線延伸也好或是綠線也好很多時候在這個可惜性規劃的時候都是因為會議不斷的開完之後有意見回去再等三個月再回來\n臺中市政府﹖\n我想臺中市是已經是全國第二大城市那確實是應該要有一個健全的捷運的網路才能夠讓臺中市民行的安全行的便利更加的提升而且也符合一個國際都市的一個規模跟這個架構那我們會後續這幾條路線我們都會秉持這樣的原則跟中央地方是一個夥伴關係那從來促成\n好 新部長那提到TPASS的問題其實今天為什麼特別提捷運我給大家看一個數據我這個不是針對高雄但是因為剛好這個南高屏跟中張頭的月票都是999元我們用相同的基準來比較這個數字當然高雄捷運的月運量人次比台中多 非常多那台中現在月運量是只有124萬平均124萬以六月來講的話那高雄捷運加輕軌是602萬那使用TPASS的人數跟比例\n臺中捷運的確明顯的使用月票的比例是83%換句話說所以臺中現在雖然就一條捷運但他使用的這個比例來講其實非常非常高所以我們還是要支持也是支持也肯定說當初推動這TPASS那但是\n我們使用比例高但是問題就在於說我的運量整體的捷運就只有一條所以為什麼今天特別要去提捷運五線奇葩是對台中那麼重要就是因為這個TPASS的確對市民來講他是一個能夠有效的利用的這個工具那我們希望說未來如果台中的月運量人數跟我們台中的捷運的這個規劃的這個線路\n跟追上高雄之後我們如果維持這樣同樣的月票比例我想這個TPASS在推動大眾運輸上面就有實際的效果但是我們回到這個實際面上來看這個TPASS月票使用情況我們當初在推動TPASS的時候除了去讓使用者更方便之外其實本身也應該是希望說有更多的人來使用大眾運輸但是我們從數據上來看的話\n每個月每個月的起起伏伏都會有變動但是很明顯的從去年推出來到現在大約去年的10月跟去年的12月人數突然增加到70萬但是今年以來大概人數\n李孟雄議員\n確實目前大概平均是64萬就是從實施以來到目前為止那確實是我們覺得這個還有成長空間那所以我們在年底會推出TPASS 2.0那針對不是月的使用量比如說它是短天期的\n好部長當然\n對於觀光客短期票這份我覺得這個是比較屬於觀光但是我想要提到的是說其實應該是針對國內的使用者因為像比如說像TPASS它本身現在的方向是以鎖定區域比如說我剛剛提到的中張頭、高高屏、北北基桃等等是用區域的方式但是以本席自己的生活經驗過去的生活經驗包含可能部長也是\n我們以前我是台中人在台北念書所以我固定我可能每個禮拜五都要回台中那像這樣的學生通勤票他是不是也可以有一個吃到飽的狀況一個吃到飽的方案提供跨縣式的或是自選方案當然這是需要經過細部的設計讓層級之間的移動\n跨區的成績移動他也是很固定式的我覺得要使用我可能用年度的或一季或一個月的方式來使用我覺得這個也是另外的方向去思考這一塊的這個族群因為我想多數的這個很多大專業比如很多大專業教在台北在這個北北基桃但是全台灣有很多學生他是北上來這邊念書或者是流動人口流動要固定的往返的這一塊尤其看到你看到現在包括說我們很多車站也好不論台北也好台中也好高雄也好幾個大站\n李孟諺\n部長可以嗎?\n好 謝謝 謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.940 --> 00:10.881\n今天我們討論的TPASS我想也涉及到了這個大眾運輸系統的問題那我也事先肯定也感謝我看交通部在禮拜一的下午也發了一個貼文來講說臺中的捷運五線起發要來支持臺中發展\n\n00:35.945 --> 00:36.045\n衛根部長\n\n00:55.596 --> 01:22.566\n給信心喊話一下部長如果你真的這個按照臉書貼文的五線啟發全力的支持台中把它做好我想部長有一天來選台中市長搞不好會當選我想台中人都很務實也很現實如果你幫我把這蓋好了我想大家都會非常感謝你所以說部長先跟大家跟本席簡單說明一下到底這五線啟發的這個狀況目前的在交通部的進度跟市府的幫的這個狀況下面交通部要怎麼協助市府來做到這個五線啟發的狀況\n\n01:25.349 --> 01:53.705\n首先謝謝委員的這個我想第一個就是說藍線藍線目前是整個這幾條線裡面進度最快因為它已經經過中規已經核定而且環評也過環評也通過了所以現在只要它的相關的設計基設的部分經過工程會的審議那它就可以進入包括像用地取得還有包括招標的階段\n\n01:54.525 --> 02:17.198\n那當然有一些細節像過去在臺灣大道那邊跟火車跟台鐵還有相關捷運站跟供購的方案當時核定的時候是先有一個事後要提出有條件的核定事後要提出這邊的細部的規劃那這個部分是否也提出相關的規劃那也經過交通部大家的審查覺得這個規劃是可行的\n\n02:18.439 --> 02:18.539\n主席\n\n02:37.711 --> 02:59.349\n就是說如果遇到細節遇到困難那假設那些細節困難不是馬上立即就可以解決的那也許我們就先繼續往下走比如說可行性先核定那有些部分細節困難要要要後續解決的部分在中規之前把它處理把它完成比如說像綠線延伸到彰化\n\n03:00.851 --> 03:19.590\n當時也是可行先核定,但是彰化的這個部分有一個都市計畫,彰東都市計畫還沒有確定,那當時就附帶的方式,就是在中歸的階段之前都市計畫要發布、實施。所以我想用這樣的原則,可以讓一些計畫的進行審議,不會因為卡在細節。\n\n03:22.893 --> 03:44.946\n好部長謝謝其實我就是要跟你講這個就是過去有藍線的經驗有綠線本就是原則這現在綠線這條的經驗很多時候就真的在可歸在文書作業上這個在時間上拖太久了包含說我們這次送案的這個局限當年送案是民國105年現在民國113年當然都還在這個紙上作業的階段所以我們希望說\n\n03:46.466 --> 04:14.251\n記取前面這兩條線的這目前的藍線已經過了這個綜合綜合規劃那綠線已經正在跑了這兩個線的這個經驗就是文書的這個文件上的作業啊這個會議的流程啊我們希望能夠加速一點有任何的疑問有任何的問題因為我其實過去看到藍線也好綠線延伸也好或是綠線也好很多時候在這個可惜性規劃的時候都是因為會議不斷的開完之後有意見回去再等三個月再回來\n\n04:15.211 --> 04:15.451\n臺中市政府﹖\n\n04:43.237 --> 05:06.924\n我想臺中市是已經是全國第二大城市那確實是應該要有一個健全的捷運的網路才能夠讓臺中市民行的安全行的便利更加的提升而且也符合一個國際都市的一個規模跟這個架構那我們會後續這幾條路線我們都會秉持這樣的原則跟中央地方是一個夥伴關係那從來促成\n\n05:08.905 --> 05:36.963\n好新部長那提到TPASS的問題其實今天為什麼特別提捷運我給大家看一個數據我這個不是針對高雄但是因為剛好這個南高屏跟中張頭的月票都是999元我們用相同的基準來比較這個數字當然高雄捷運的月運量人次比台中多非常多那台中現在月運量是只有124萬平均124萬以六月來講的話那高雄捷運加輕軌是602萬那使用TPASS的人數跟比例\n\n05:37.923 --> 05:53.297\n臺中捷運的確明顯的使用月票的比例是83%換句話說所以臺中現在雖然就一條捷運但他使用的這個比例來講其實非常非常高所以我們還是要支持也是支持也肯定說當初推動這TPASS那但是\n\n05:54.278 --> 06:15.299\n我們使用比例高但是問題就在於說我的運量整體的捷運就只有一條所以為什麼今天特別要去提捷運五線奇葩是對台中那麼重要就是因為這個TPASS的確對市民來講他是一個能夠有效的利用的這個工具那我們希望說未來如果台中的月運量人數跟我們台中的捷運的這個規劃的這個線路\n\n06:17.941 --> 06:42.276\n跟追上高雄之後我們如果維持這樣同樣的月票比例我想這個TPASS在推動大眾運輸上面就有實際的效果但是我們回到這個實際面上來看這個TPASS月票使用情況我們當初在推動TPASS的時候除了去讓使用者更方便之外其實本身也應該是希望說有更多的人來使用大眾運輸但是我們從數據上來看的話\n\n06:43.777 --> 06:59.164\n每個月每個月的起起伏伏都會有變動但是很明顯的從去年推出來到現在大約去年的10月跟去年的12月人數突然增加到70萬但是今年以來大概人數\n\n06:59.844 --> 07:00.264\n李孟雄議員\n\n07:30.876 --> 07:48.377\n確實目前大概平均是64萬就是從實施以來到目前為止那確實是我們覺得這個還有成長空間那所以我們在年底會推出TPASS2.0那針對不是月的使用量比如說它是短天期的\n\n07:48.677 --> 07:48.817\n好部長當然\n\n08:04.239 --> 08:23.289\n對於觀光客短期票這份我覺得這個是比較屬於觀光但是我想要提到的是說其實應該是針對國內的使用者因為像比如說像TPASS它本身現在的方向是以鎖定區域比如說我剛剛提到的中張頭、高高屏、北北基桃等等是用區域的方式但是以本席自己的生活經驗過去的生活經驗包含可能部長也是\n\n08:24.329 --> 08:40.367\n我們以前我是台中人在台北念書所以我固定我可能每個禮拜五都要回台中那像這樣的學生通勤票他是不是也可以有一個吃到飽的狀況一個吃到飽的方案提供跨縣式的或是自選方案當然這是需要經過細部的設計讓層級之間的移動\n\n08:43.931 --> 09:13.440\n跨區的成績移動他也是很固定式的我覺得要使用我可能用年度的或一季或一個月的方式來使用我覺得這個也是另外的方向去思考這一塊的這個族群因為我想多數的這個很多大專業比如很多大專業教在台北在這個北北基桃但是全台灣有很多學生他是北上來這邊念書或者是流動人口流動要固定的往返的這一塊尤其看到你看到現在包括說我們很多車站也好不論台北也好台中也好高雄也好幾個大站\n\n09:13.800 --> 09:14.061\n李孟諺\n\n09:32.244 --> 09:32.344\n部長可以嗎?\n\n09:53.678 --> 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