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Tahovecahe委員：好，剛才我聽了央行介紹準備發行數位貨幣的一些規劃跟想法，那我想要特別為偏鄉來請教一下，因為我們有問了央行總裁，你們都是金融專業的人員。我們已經有看到一些專題報導，像中國是一個高度電子支付的國家，有很多國小的學生從出生到現在幾乎沒有看過實體貨幣，有很多的老師也反映，因為這樣所以在學校課程的學習其實是有很大的問題，遑論他們的金錢觀、理財觀、消費觀。我們看到像日本這個國家很堅持還是使用實體的貨幣，我想要請教大家，因為有一種所謂的「馬太效應」，我們很擔心像資本社會發展出這樣的制度、工具會讓富者更富，讓貧窮的人更窮，會讓有資本的人可以全拿，那這些沒有資本的人可能會難以翻身。所以我想要特別請教一下金管會主委，因為我們在教育上有一個所謂的認知發展階段，可能是從感覺運動期，然後一直到國小的具體操作期。我們都會回憶在過去學數學時可能都要拿那種代幣來輔助我們學習認識這些貨幣，一直要到最後我們才會有這種形式的、抽象的操作期。可是我想要請教一下金管會，我們在這個部分未來面對這樣的數位貨幣、電子支付的發展，金管會有沒有做過什麼樣的分析、研究、規劃？有沒有找過數發部、教育部一起來研究這些問題？"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，報告委員，我必須據實說，從我上任到現在，我沒有接受到訊息，但並不代表沒有，也許我們的同仁可以說明一下。"],["胡處長則華：是，跟委員報告，我們目前是還沒有做這個研究，但是我們有規劃在明年的時候會做一個金融素養的調查，然後也會同時調查，民眾針對數位金融的部分，目前有碰到什麼樣的議題，所以會從這裡面再去做研究。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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--> 00:01:55,510\n那你們做的這個初步架構呢也有去看了一下它的介面它的功能例如像是記名不記名的錢包或者是去做一些兌換轉帳消費等等等我是覺得說想要請教您一下您覺得就是簡單解釋一下這個數位新台幣跟現在使用的新台幣做的電子支付它最大最根本的差別是什麼\n\n6\n00:01:56,010 --> 00:02:04,866\n因為民眾不懂跟現在使用新台幣進行電子支付你所謂的這邊的電子支付就是說我們的行動支付是不是\n\n7\n00:02:06,686 --> 00:02:06,806\n這是銀行的貨幣\n\n8\n00:02:36,730 --> 00:02:38,051\n中央銀行發行的貨幣跟他用商業銀行的貨幣去轉的基本上還是不一樣的\n\n9\n00:02:51,883 --> 00:03:04,132\n這樣子我想是很清楚的解釋那你們的推動規劃我是看到去年開始你們就是做委外的問卷調查那也預計從明年開始要開始辦公聽會、說明會等等\n\n10\n00:03:07,134 --> 00:03:26,602\n你們應該要去辦公聽會、要去辦說明會,應該會有基本資料吧?會有縮帖帶進去吧?會,我們會準備,會有一套全套的資料。我現在就是想要了解一下,因為你們在問卷調查,你們是針對不同的對象,有不同的訪問的內容。\n\n11\n00:03:28,923 --> 00:03:47,742\n在這個當中,我想一般大眾當然是不了解,大概只有一成。那產業界呢?大概有多少人聽過、了解?產業界比較高。高是多高?沒有關係,大概是五成。那政府機關呢?政府機關更高。\n\n12\n00:03:51,205 --> 00:04:08,111\n對,我看到的資料也是政府機關接受度最高那我來說那個請教您一下因為我們仔細來看一般民眾當然是不認識但是做後撤之後我們發現稍加說明他有很大的一個使用意願\n\n13\n00:04:10,151 --> 00:04:36,630\n我們再來看那如果說問他的一個使用需求他們表達的大概我們可以看到接受度最高的覺得很好的應該來做的是那些有接受政府救濟的或者是中低收入戶或者是越來越多我們可能會申請租金補貼的這些人然後還有一些創新功能所以請問一下這一些調查出來的需求你們有開始在做規劃了嗎\n\n14\n00:04:37,791 --> 00:04:55,709\n都有接納嗎?我跟委員報告這個就是說我們在這裡面的功能裡面我們跟數位部呢我們跟數位部現在就是說要合作一個就是說要發行這個數位券那數位券就是剛剛你現在對看起來數位券應該是券售度最高\n\n15\n00:04:58,171 --> 00:05:17,105\n所以這個就是說我們的CBDC的要踏出第一步他就是要從這裡來做試驗我們也希望這個能夠成功那再請教一下那你們要下去做說明會那調查出來的其實大部分的人呢是擔心隱私跟各自的問題\n\n16\n00:05:18,366 --> 00:05:43,814\n所以這個部分我不曉得說你們對於這些資安的認證那怎麼樣的狀況下才調用資料等等有在做規劃了嗎有有有都有在做規劃那再請教一下我們看到產業界他的一個調查結果的衝擊我們發現基層的金融機構最擔心感覺到他受到的影響會最大請問一下基層金融機構是類似哪一些\n\n17\n00:05:44,854 --> 00:06:00,674\n我們所說的基層金融機構一般來講就是說我們的龍漁會信用部還有就是說我們的信用他擔心他的角色被弱化了那請問你們有在規劃要怎麼協助嗎那當然啦就是說\n\n18\n00:06:01,975 --> 00:06:23,110\n如果說一個銀行體系就是說我們的金融體系如果說足夠健全的話也就是說不會發生銀行擠兌的這種事件的話基本上他對CPTC的發行應該是不會有好那我這樣子一直問都好像都有準備了那當然政府機關我看起來他應該是覺得最輕鬆的因為他收付款的業務可能會輕鬆許多接受度比較高\n\n19\n00:06:31,496 --> 00:06:57,654\n那法律學姐的意見呢?他們是認為說應該要修法,有要修法嗎?那當然,如果說假設說我們決定要那個的話那它所涉及到的很多的法都要,特別是中央銀行法可能都要修法所以已經在啟動修法的內容?我們現在也就是說是在法律方面呢我們也在做準備那什麼時候送行政院?沒有沒有,現在還沒有所以8次還沒一票?\n\n20\n00:06:59,475 --> 00:07:15,021\n因為就是說我們的學界法律學界呢他也有他的看法那所以呢我們在我們的公聽會裡面呢我們就會那聽起來好像很積極啦那真的要走到修法又感覺八字還沒一臉\n\n21\n00:07:17,202 --> 00:07:32,303\n好那請教一下吼那這些資訊科技的學者呢我也要關心一下因為這個會有數位落差的問題嗎有的人買不起手機啊那我們很多的地方網路不通啊那可以去做離線支付嗎\n\n22\n00:07:32,844 --> 00:07:33,244\n還有林次長\n\n23\n00:08:07,443 --> 00:08:24,001\n剛才我聽了央行就是介紹準備發行數位貨幣的一些規劃跟想法那我想要特別為偏鄉來請教一下因為我們有央行總裁你們都是金融專業的人員我們已經有看到一些專題報導\n\n24\n00:08:25,763 --> 00:08:36,634\n像是中國他們是一個高度電子支付的國家很多的現在的國小的學生是從出生到現在幾乎沒有看過實體貨幣\n\n25\n00:08:39,186 --> 00:08:54,896\n很多老師也反映這個反映在學校課程的學習其實是有很大的問題狂論他們的金錢觀、理財觀、消費觀我們看到像日本這個國家他很堅持還是使用實體的貨幣\n\n26\n00:08:57,117 --> 00:09:23,763\n我是想要請教大家因為我們有所謂的馬太效應我們很擔心像這樣的一個資本社會的這一些的發展的制度工具會讓富者更富貧窮的人會更窮那會讓有成本的人他可以全拿那這些沒有資本的人可能會難以翻身所以在這個部分我想要特別請教一下我們金管會主委\n\n27\n00:09:24,383 --> 00:09:42,218\n因為我們在教育上有所謂的一個認知發展的階段可能是從感覺運動期然後一直到國小的具體的操作期我們都會回憶我們過去學數學可能都要拿那種代幣來輔助學習我們怎麼樣認識這些貨幣\n\n28\n00:09:47,241 --> 00:10:12,288\n一直要到最後我們才會有所謂的形式的抽象的這種操作期可是我想要請教一下金管會我們在這個部分未來面對這樣的一個數位貨幣電子支付的發展我不曉得說金管會有沒有做過什麼樣的分析研究規劃有沒有找過數發部啊教育部啊一起來研究這些問題\n\n29\n00:10:13,428 --> 00:10:40,707\n市報委員我必須那個那個那個據實說我上來到現在我沒有接受到訊息但並不代表沒有啦也許我們同仁可以說一下是跟委員報告我們目前是還沒有做這個研究但是我們有規劃在明年的時候會做一個金融素養的調查然後也會同時針對就是民眾針對這個數位金融的部分他們目前有碰到些什麼樣的議題所以會從這裡面再來去做研究\n\n30\n00:10:41,387 --> 00:11:00,523\n我們當然要與時俱進時間也到了但是我請我們的央行金管會跟我們的數位發布還是根據我幾點的訴求我是希望說能夠針對這一些所謂的電子支付已經在普及的國家去做一下他們的正反面的影響來提供我們做一個參考\n\n31\n00:11:01,784 --> 00:11:21,284\n那也希望能夠去評估對偏鄉弱勢族群可能帶來的正反面的影響因為我們不知道這個影響是好還是不好但是我們必須要知道未來這樣的發展會不會去造成我們對偏鄉及弱勢族群的一個傷害那還有我們的教育的這些單位\n\n32\n00:11:22,726 --> 00:11:33,616\n我們都希望說能夠一起來做跨部會的一個討論因為我們其實看過去的教育我們的學校教育其實是不教不鼓勵如何賺錢這是被隱晦不談的問題\n\n33\n00:11:37,219 --> 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一下因為我們有央行總裁你們都是金融專業的人員我們已經有看到一些專題報導\n像是中國他們是一個高度電子支付的國家很多的現在的國小的學生是從出生到現在幾乎沒有看過實體貨幣\n很多老師也反映這個反映在學校課程的學習其實是有很大的問題狂論他們的金錢觀、理財觀、消費觀我們看到像日本這個國家他很堅持還是使用實體的貨幣\n我是想要請教大家因為我們有所謂的馬太效應我們很擔心像這樣的一個資本社會的這一些的發展的制度工具會讓富者更富貧窮的人會更窮那會讓有成本的人他可以全拿那這些沒有資本的人可能會難以翻身所以在這個部分我想要特別請教一下我們金管會主委\n因為我們在教育上有所謂的一個認知發展的階段可能是從感覺運動期然後一直到國小的具體的操作期我們都會回憶我們過去學數學可能都要拿那種代幣來輔助學習我們怎麼樣認識這些貨幣\n一直要到最後我們才會有所謂的形式的抽象的這種操作期可是我想要請教一下金管會我們在這個部分未來面對這樣的一個數位貨幣電子支付的發展我不曉得說金管會有沒有做過什麼樣的分析研究規劃有沒有找過數發部啊教育部啊一起來研究這些問題\n市報委員我必須那個那個那個據實說我上來到現在我沒有接受到訊息但並不代表沒有啦也許我們同仁可以說一下是跟委員報告我們目前是還沒有做這個研究但是我們有規劃在明年的時候會做一個金融素養的調查然後也會同時針對就是民眾針對這個數位金融的部分他們目前有碰到些什麼樣的議題所以會從這裡面再來去做研究\n我們當然要與時俱進時間也到了但是我請我們的央行金管會跟我們的數位發布還是根據我幾點的訴求我是希望說能夠針對這一些所謂的電子支付已經在普及的國家去做一下他們的正反面的影響來提供我們做一個參考\n那也希望能夠去評估對偏鄉弱勢族群可能帶來的正反面的影響因為我們不知道這個影響是好還是不好但是我們必須要知道未來這樣的發展會不會去造成我們對偏鄉及弱勢族群的一個傷害那還有我們的教育的這些單位\n我們都希望說能夠一起來做跨部會的一個討論因為我們其實看過去的教育我們的學校教育其實是不教不鼓勵如何賺錢這是被隱晦不談的問題\n好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.699 --> 00:05.047\n謝謝主席先請楊杭總裁有請楊總裁\n\n00:13.778 --> 00:42.324\n吳委員早總裁早關於央行在2019年你們就開始研究建制這個央行的數位貨幣所以我們可以說它應該是一個新的議題那為什麼說它是非常新的議題因為你們也有委外做一個問卷調查結果呢一般民眾對這個央行要發行的數位貨幣他的認知可以說只有一成的人聽過\n\n00:45.025 --> 01:09.866\n這樣的一個國際趨勢大概我們也了解你們的態度那因為你們有特別提到我們也有看到因為我們發現像這一些在推動的大多是金融基礎設施比較不足的國家啦那比較先進的國家呢反而是類似我們現在的態度就是準備然後建構然後就是要因應\n\n01:11.187 --> 01:15.294\n我想說的就是說你們央行在做的這個數位貨幣呢它的一個架構就是類似我們的實體貨幣它是雙層的央行發給銀行銀行再發給人民\n\n01:26.511 --> 01:55.510\n那你們做的這個初步架構呢也有去看了一下它的介面它的功能例如像是記名不記名的錢包或者是去做一些兌換轉帳消費等等等我是覺得說想要請教您一下您覺得就是簡單解釋一下這個數位新台幣跟現在使用的新台幣做的電子支付它最大最根本的差別是什麼\n\n01:56.010 --> 02:04.866\n因為民眾不懂跟現在使用新台幣進行電子支付你所謂的這邊的電子支付就是說我們的行動支付是不是\n\n02:06.686 --> 02:06.806\n這是銀行的貨幣\n\n02:36.730 --> 02:38.051\n中央銀行發行的貨幣跟他用商業銀行的貨幣去轉的基本上還是不一樣的\n\n02:51.883 --> 03:04.132\n這樣子我想是很清楚的解釋那你們的推動規劃我是看到去年開始你們就是做委外的問卷調查那也預計從明年開始要開始辦公聽會、說明會等等\n\n03:07.134 --> 03:26.602\n你們應該要去辦公聽會、要去辦說明會,應該會有基本資料吧?會有縮帖帶進去吧?會,我們會準備,會有一套全套的資料。我現在就是想要了解一下,因為你們在問卷調查,你們是針對不同的對象,有不同的訪問的內容。\n\n03:28.923 --> 03:47.742\n在這個當中,我想一般大眾當然是不了解,大概只有一成。那產業界呢?大概有多少人聽過、了解?產業界比較高。高是多高?沒有關係,大概是五成。那政府機關呢?政府機關更高。\n\n03:51.205 --> 04:08.111\n對,我看到的資料也是政府機關接受度最高那我來說那個請教您一下因為我們仔細來看一般民眾當然是不認識但是做後撤之後我們發現稍加說明他有很大的一個使用意願\n\n04:10.151 --> 04:36.630\n我們再來看那如果說問他的一個使用需求他們表達的大概我們可以看到接受度最高的覺得很好的應該來做的是那些有接受政府救濟的或者是中低收入戶或者是越來越多我們可能會申請租金補貼的這些人然後還有一些創新功能所以請問一下這一些調查出來的需求你們有開始在做規劃了嗎\n\n04:37.791 --> 04:55.709\n都有接納嗎?我跟委員報告這個就是說我們在這裡面的功能裡面我們跟數位部呢我們跟數位部現在就是說要合作一個就是說要發行這個數位券那數位券就是剛剛你現在對看起來數位券應該是券售度最高\n\n04:58.171 --> 05:17.105\n所以這個就是說我們的CBDC的要踏出第一步他就是要從這裡來做試驗我們也希望這個能夠成功那再請教一下那你們要下去做說明會那調查出來的其實大部分的人呢是擔心隱私跟各自的問題\n\n05:18.366 --> 05:43.814\n所以這個部分我不曉得說你們對於這些資安的認證那怎麼樣的狀況下才調用資料等等有在做規劃了嗎有有有都有在做規劃那再請教一下我們看到產業界他的一個調查結果的衝擊我們發現基層的金融機構最擔心感覺到他受到的影響會最大請問一下基層金融機構是類似哪一些\n\n05:44.854 --> 06:00.674\n我們所說的基層金融機構一般來講就是說我們的龍漁會信用部還有就是說我們的信用他擔心他的角色被弱化了那請問你們有在規劃要怎麼協助嗎那當然啦就是說\n\n06:01.975 --> 06:23.110\n如果說一個銀行體系就是說我們的金融體系如果說足夠健全的話也就是說不會發生銀行擠兌的這種事件的話基本上他對CPTC的發行應該是不會有好那我這樣子一直問都好像都有準備了那當然政府機關我看起來他應該是覺得最輕鬆的因為他收付款的業務可能會輕鬆許多接受度比較高\n\n06:31.496 --> 06:57.654\n那法律學姐的意見呢?他們是認為說應該要修法,有要修法嗎?那當然,如果說假設說我們決定要那個的話那它所涉及到的很多的法都要,特別是中央銀行法可能都要修法所以已經在啟動修法的內容?我們現在也就是說是在法律方面呢我們也在做準備那什麼時候送行政院?沒有沒有,現在還沒有所以8次還沒一票?\n\n06:59.475 --> 07:15.021\n因為就是說我們的學界法律學界呢他也有他的看法那所以呢我們在我們的公聽會裡面呢我們就會那聽起來好像很積極啦那真的要走到修法又感覺八字還沒一臉\n\n07:17.202 --> 07:32.303\n好那請教一下吼那這些資訊科技的學者呢我也要關心一下因為這個會有數位落差的問題嗎有的人買不起手機啊那我們很多的地方網路不通啊那可以去做離線支付嗎\n\n07:32.844 --> 07:33.244\n還有林次長\n\n08:07.443 --> 08:24.001\n剛才我聽了央行就是介紹準備發行數位貨幣的一些規劃跟想法那我想要特別為偏鄉來請教一下因為我們有央行總裁你們都是金融專業的人員我們已經有看到一些專題報導\n\n08:25.763 --> 08:36.634\n像是中國他們是一個高度電子支付的國家很多的現在的國小的學生是從出生到現在幾乎沒有看過實體貨幣\n\n08:39.186 --> 08:54.896\n很多老師也反映這個反映在學校課程的學習其實是有很大的問題狂論他們的金錢觀、理財觀、消費觀我們看到像日本這個國家他很堅持還是使用實體的貨幣\n\n08:57.117 --> 09:23.763\n我是想要請教大家因為我們有所謂的馬太效應我們很擔心像這樣的一個資本社會的這一些的發展的制度工具會讓富者更富貧窮的人會更窮那會讓有成本的人他可以全拿那這些沒有資本的人可能會難以翻身所以在這個部分我想要特別請教一下我們金管會主委\n\n09:24.383 --> 09:42.218\n因為我們在教育上有所謂的一個認知發展的階段可能是從感覺運動期然後一直到國小的具體的操作期我們都會回憶我們過去學數學可能都要拿那種代幣來輔助學習我們怎麼樣認識這些貨幣\n\n09:47.241 --> 10:12.288\n一直要到最後我們才會有所謂的形式的抽象的這種操作期可是我想要請教一下金管會我們在這個部分未來面對這樣的一個數位貨幣電子支付的發展我不曉得說金管會有沒有做過什麼樣的分析研究規劃有沒有找過數發部啊教育部啊一起來研究這些問題\n\n10:13.428 --> 10:40.707\n市報委員我必須那個那個那個據實說我上來到現在我沒有接受到訊息但並不代表沒有啦也許我們同仁可以說一下是跟委員報告我們目前是還沒有做這個研究但是我們有規劃在明年的時候會做一個金融素養的調查然後也會同時針對就是民眾針對這個數位金融的部分他們目前有碰到些什麼樣的議題所以會從這裡面再來去做研究\n\n10:41.387 --> 11:00.523\n我們當然要與時俱進時間也到了但是我請我們的央行金管會跟我們的數位發布還是根據我幾點的訴求我是希望說能夠針對這一些所謂的電子支付已經在普及的國家去做一下他們的正反面的影響來提供我們做一個參考\n\n11:01.784 --> 11:21.284\n那也希望能夠去評估對偏鄉弱勢族群可能帶來的正反面的影響因為我們不知道這個影響是好還是不好但是我們必須要知道未來這樣的發展會不會去造成我們對偏鄉及弱勢族群的一個傷害那還有我們的教育的這些單位\n\n11:22.726 --> 11:33.616\n我們都希望說能夠一起來做跨部會的一個討論因為我們其實看過去的教育我們的學校教育其實是不教不鼓勵如何賺錢這是被隱晦不談的問題\n\n11:37.219 --> 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