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00:02:58,570\n魯明哲議員\n\n10\n00:03:14,105 --> 00:03:14,245\n主席\n\n11\n00:03:45,895 --> 00:04:07,922\n目前我們在之前達到一個初步的一個共識本來我們桃園大眾捷運公司桃園市政府是希望能夠有這個9直6普總共15列車那後面初步討論的結果變成了直搭車6列跟普通車4列6直4普的這樣的一個概念\n\n12\n00:04:09,022 --> 00:04:29,199\n不過我要在這裡特別拜託這也是我上次在前任院長跟部長上一次總質詢的時候因為現在全部都換人了因為我覺得這中間有些不合理的部分希望這個部長回去要好好研究一下因為現在中央初步給我們的補助說直搭車6列那由中央來補助\n\n13\n00:04:30,782 --> 00:04:30,962\n普通車\n\n14\n00:04:51,027 --> 00:04:54,470\n你覺得這樣一個補助的一個比例分配理由你自己的初步看法如何\n\n15\n00:05:10,641 --> 00:05:33,461\n我的了解這個是根據交通委員會當時有一個會議的記錄來延伸那另外確實是機場捷運當時特別因為他是肩負著國門的這個交通所以不然一般的捷運的車廂的補助在各個直轄市是由各直轄市這邊自己來負擔\n\n16\n00:05:35,315 --> 00:05:59,659\n因為季節不一樣,所以剛剛魯花委員特別問到因為現在季節事實上都還沒有交接,都還是交通部的你要講財產誰的,到我們今天站在這裡,這整個資產全部都還是交通部的目前為止都還是中央的所以我們在討論這件事情,純粹用地方政府的角度去討論是跟其他的一個軌道系統還是真的不一樣\n\n17\n00:06:00,179 --> 00:06:00,339\n主席\n\n18\n00:06:18,715 --> 00:06:42,498\n接下來也謝謝鐵道局那之前王部長在細部的去討論說大概初步補助的原則是這樣那我是想請教一下因為普通車在沉寂的一個運輸那未來中南北的軌道工程只要負責沉寂運輸的如果跟體申請列車的補助是不是都是零趴我就問一下跟鄉親好交代啦你不要說今天給我是零趴\n\n19\n00:06:43,078 --> 00:07:05,611\n結果人家50%那這個東西我這個委員就做的比較弱一點就這是不是一個原則原則性就是說因為你這個普通車是跑你成績的一些的站所以我們不管是台北新北桃園台中高雄哪裡來只要他的功能是這樣我都不補助是不是這樣\n\n20\n00:07:07,061 --> 00:07:29,015\n我的了解因為捷運是把它視為是地方自治事項所以是嗎?是不是嗎?都是在興建階段我是希望說興建階段有時候興建階段就會有購車會跟著購車一起我今天這樣的去說最主要的一個原因是就做個結論\n\n21\n00:07:30,296 --> 00:07:57,796\n因為你的直達車只有幾站現在比較大的那個我有那個反白給你看直達車就停這些站你說他負責機場的一個運輸然後呢其他的國內各站的各站的人他們要去機場那只有區間車可以坐啊那再來我們再過幾年A223中立火車站中立火車站坐好之後那非常多可能從南部來的小站的一個坐火車的鄉親長輩\n\n22\n00:07:58,897 --> 00:08:25,003\n他也要去機場啊他也要出國啊那這個責任誰肩負呢一樣是區間車嘛再來在高鐵站也是一樣我們其實在桃園高鐵站只有在尖峰的時間來搭配幾台其他也沒有嘛所以剛剛講了半天就是你說國門運輸的一個責任其實區間車也佔了非常非常大的功能所以我這個部分我是希望建議我事實上上\n\n23\n00:08:25,683 --> 00:08:55,006\n上次總諮詢我也是建議你們回去研究一下除非你們研究結果說我剛剛講的其他區間車都沒有人會坐這個去機場也沒有人機場的旅客會坐這個到哪裡去這不可能嘛有人要坐到桃園高鐵站也只有區間車可以選擇在大部分的一個時段所以我們希望不要是0%啦不要是0%你無論如何他肩負多少國門的責任要講個道理給我們聽請你們回去研究好不好\n\n24\n00:08:57,608 --> 00:09:10,938\n高雄的輕軌也在排隊城市城市之間大家正面的我們希望每個城市都好17列車也要跟你們爭取\n\n25\n00:09:12,139 --> 00:09:12,559\n麻煩你開會討論好不好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7863\t10485\t謝謝主席：有請我們李部長請李部長部長好 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委員好\n事實上這三個禮拜五才剛剛完成我們交通組的總質詢針對議題其實也是著重有的時候跟你討論到我們這個機場捷運相關的一些問題那我也趁著是這樣啦因為新的院長我們新的部長很多的一些訊息我們是希望說政策是延續的\n所以我們會花這段的時間會把很多過去到底談的怎麼樣進度如何也希望能夠部長能夠了解當然今天談到一個TPASS在去年上路之後我們看到在我們桃園電子報的一個報導在去年的7到12月整體的公共運輸系統事實上明顯的一個成長成長到86.7%這是根據桃園電子報的一個當時的一個報導\n那我沒有看到到今天為止今天7月10號我下午早上早上的時候我拿到最新的一個數字了就在整個機場捷運就像剛剛部長也有在在這個說嘛機場捷運我們是用112年到今年113年這在6個月同期它的用量到底呈現什麼樣的一個成長的一個數字因為畢竟你的TPASS是在年中才上屋的嘛所以\n也看到蠻明顯的一個成長總共從去年的一到六月份去年每一天每日大概七萬七人次使用季節到了今年的一到六月因為剛平均出來他的每日的人次達到十一萬多所以大概成長百分之四十二那我也請這個大眾決定公司去分析啦因為有很多因素嘛也要謝謝鐵道局謝謝交通部\n去年的7月也正好A22通道市區因為多了一站嘛 很多市區人就來使用了蠻多元的理由 但是我們在預估因為TPASS這個理由至少10%至少也造成了一個非常大幅度的一個成長 來帶動成長\n現在回到在我們總諮詢相關的一些問題當然這個減價驗收也是驗收但是現在的一個情況產生的問題\n原本的 要求的車數 達不到 沒辦法原本要求的班據 你應該短短 某個時間 10分鐘你就來一班可以載客人 那也做不到那沒有辦法 這已經是事實了啦 現在我們這個討論也不是部長的錯啦 這都 但是已經造成這樣的一個情況所以呢 在載客人次上面 有多重的影響其中 這樣的一個\n魯明哲議員\n主席\n目前我們在之前達到一個初步的一個共識本來我們桃園大眾捷運公司桃園市政府是希望能夠有這個9直6普總共15列車那後面初步討論的結果變成了直搭車6列跟普通車4列6直4普的這樣的一個概念\n不過我要在這裡特別拜託這也是我上次在前任院長跟部長上一次總質詢的時候因為現在全部都換人了因為我覺得這中間有些不合理的部分希望這個部長回去要好好研究一下因為現在中央初步給我們的補助說直搭車6列那由中央來補助\n普通車\n你覺得這樣一個補助的一個比例分配理由你自己的初步看法如何\n我的了解這個是根據交通委員會當時有一個會議的記錄來延伸那另外確實是機場捷運當時特別因為他是肩負著國門的這個交通所以不然一般的捷運的車廂的補助在各個直轄市是由各直轄市這邊自己來負擔\n因為季節不一樣,所以剛剛魯花委員特別問到因為現在季節事實上都還沒有交接,都還是交通部的你要講財產誰的,到我們今天站在這裡,這整個資產全部都還是交通部的目前為止都還是中央的所以我們在討論這件事情,純粹用地方政府的角度去討論是跟其他的一個軌道系統還是真的不一樣\n主席\n接下來也謝謝鐵道局那之前王部長在細部的去討論說大概初步補助的原則是這樣那我是想請教一下因為普通車在沉寂的一個運輸那未來中南北的軌道工程只要負責沉寂運輸的如果跟體申請列車的補助是不是都是零趴我就問一下跟鄉親好交代啦你不要說今天給我是零趴\n結果人家50%那這個東西我這個委員就做的比較弱一點就這是不是一個原則原則性就是說因為你這個普通車是跑你成績的一些的站所以我們不管是台北新北桃園台中高雄哪裡來只要他的功能是這樣我都不補助是不是這樣\n我的了解因為捷運是把它視為是地方自治事項所以是嗎?是不是嗎?都是在興建階段我是希望說興建階段有時候興建階段就會有購車會跟著購車一起我今天這樣的去說最主要的一個原因是就做個結論\n因為 你的直達車只有幾站現在比較大的那個 我有那個反白給你看直達車就停這些站你說他負責機場的一個運輸然後呢 其他的國內各站的各站的人他們要去機場那只有區間車可以坐啊那再來我們再過幾年A223中立火車站中立火車站坐好之後那非常多可能從南部來的小站的一個坐火車的鄉親長輩\n他也要去機場啊他也要出國啊那這個責任誰肩負呢一樣是區間車嘛再來在高鐵站也是一樣我們其實在桃園高鐵站只有在尖峰的時間來搭配幾台其他也沒有嘛所以剛剛講了半天就是你說國門運輸的一個責任其實區間車也佔了非常非常大的功能所以我這個部分我是希望建議我事實上上\n上次總諮詢我也是建議你們回去研究一下除非你們研究結果說我剛剛講的其他區間車都沒有人會坐這個去機場也沒有人機場的旅客會坐這個到哪裡去這不可能嘛有人要坐到桃園高鐵站也只有區間車可以選擇在大部分的一個時段所以我們希望不要是0%啦不要是0%你無論如何他肩負多少國門的責任要講個道理給我們聽請你們回去研究好不好\n高雄的輕軌也在排隊城市城市之間大家正面的我們希望每個城市都好17列車也要跟你們爭取\n麻煩你開會討論好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.863 --> 00:10.485\n謝謝主席：有請我們李部長請李部長部長好委員好\n\n00:19.444 --> 00:38.777\n事實上這三個禮拜五才剛剛完成我們交通組的總質詢針對議題其實也是著重有的時候跟你討論到我們這個機場捷運相關的一些問題那我也趁著是這樣啦因為新的院長我們新的部長很多的一些訊息我們是希望說政策是延續的\n\n00:39.557 --> 00:59.370\n所以我們會花這段的時間會把很多過去到底談的怎麼樣進度如何也希望能夠部長能夠了解當然今天談到一個TPASS在去年上路之後我們看到在我們桃園電子報的一個報導在去年的7到12月整體的公共運輸系統事實上明顯的一個成長成長到86.7%這是根據桃園電子報的一個當時的一個報導\n\n01:05.794 --> 01:31.830\n那我沒有看到到今天為止今天7月10號我下午早上早上的時候我拿到最新的一個數字了就在整個機場捷運就像剛剛部長也有在在這個說嘛機場捷運我們是用112年到今年113年這在6個月同期它的用量到底呈現什麼樣的一個成長的一個數字因為畢竟你的TPASS是在年中才上屋的嘛所以\n\n01:32.310 --> 02:00.344\n也看到蠻明顯的一個成長總共從去年的一到六月份去年每一天每日大概七萬七人次使用季節到了今年的一到六月因為剛平均出來他的每日的人次達到十一萬多所以大概成長百分之四十二那我也請這個大眾決定公司去分析啦因為有很多因素嘛也要謝謝鐵道局謝謝交通部\n\n02:01.024 --> 02:18.078\n去年的7月也正好A22通道市區因為多了一站嘛很多市區人就來使用了蠻多元的理由但是我們在預估因為TPASS這個理由至少10%至少也造成了一個非常大幅度的一個成長來帶動成長\n\n02:20.440 --> 02:23.642\n現在回到在我們總諮詢相關的一些問題當然這個減價驗收也是驗收但是現在的一個情況產生的問題\n\n02:32.762 --> 02:57.810\n原本的要求的車數達不到沒辦法原本要求的班據你應該短短某個時間10分鐘你就來一班可以載客人那也做不到那沒有辦法這已經是事實了啦現在我們這個討論也不是部長的錯啦這都但是已經造成這樣的一個情況所以呢在載客人次上面有多重的影響其中這樣的一個\n\n02:58.490 --> 02:58.570\n魯明哲議員\n\n03:14.105 --> 03:14.245\n主席\n\n03:45.895 --> 04:07.922\n目前我們在之前達到一個初步的一個共識本來我們桃園大眾捷運公司桃園市政府是希望能夠有這個9直6普總共15列車那後面初步討論的結果變成了直搭車6列跟普通車4列6直4普的這樣的一個概念\n\n04:09.022 --> 04:29.199\n不過我要在這裡特別拜託這也是我上次在前任院長跟部長上一次總質詢的時候因為現在全部都換人了因為我覺得這中間有些不合理的部分希望這個部長回去要好好研究一下因為現在中央初步給我們的補助說直搭車6列那由中央來補助\n\n04:30.782 --> 04:30.962\n普通車\n\n04:51.027 --> 04:54.470\n你覺得這樣一個補助的一個比例分配理由你自己的初步看法如何\n\n05:10.641 --> 05:33.461\n我的了解這個是根據交通委員會當時有一個會議的記錄來延伸那另外確實是機場捷運當時特別因為他是肩負著國門的這個交通所以不然一般的捷運的車廂的補助在各個直轄市是由各直轄市這邊自己來負擔\n\n05:35.315 --> 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