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就我所知是低於10%那甚至有些路線因為機場捷運搶客人\n所以他反而變成雪上加霜﹖人被吸走營運未見改善那反此種種就發現一件事就是說雖然總體的運量是增加了但他難道不是各個大眾運輸工具之間的人的互相流動嗎有可能對不對所以我覺得這個政策真正的成效指標真正的KPI應該是私人運具啊汽車機車的使用率下降多少請問交通部針對這件事有沒有調查\n我希望我趕快拿到這個數字好不好私人運具的數量下降因為這事關未來我們要花多少資源然後他的政策效益我希望交通部一定要以私人運具下降比例作為重要指標為什麼因為\n我們要投入TPASS中央也好地方也好大概幾百億幾百億聽起來很多阿但是我講另外一個例子我蓋一條捷運難道不用五百億嗎我蓋一條新的高速公路難道不用三四百億嗎可是你這兩百億給全國的大眾運輸提升我認為是我認為不但不用減少反而應該增加可是要增加增加有道理我們不能讓這個政策只照顧本來就使用大眾運輸的人我們要用這樣子的政策跟其他的配套去帶動大眾運輸的品質提升讓私人運去減少阿\n讓本來開車騎車的人轉做大眾運輸工具這樣子你這筆錢下去的效益就不是只是提升大眾運輸使用率你同時解決了塞車的問題停車的問題那他就變成一個你可能是全交通部裡面縱效最高的一個資源投入\n所以說這些數據我要拜託今天因為時間有限我請交通部趕快收集我剛剛問的北北基桃裡面市區公車短途國道客運還有軌道運輸的運量分別增加多少私人運具的使用率下降了多少這些數據請盡快來提供本期非常支持我認為這個上路一年初步成效是有成果的但是\n好 謝謝部長 辛苦了\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.903 --> 00:10.865\n謝謝主席交通部部長有請李部長市長午安辛苦了委員好這個雖然今天排這個TPASS的專題報告要謝謝召委這是我們桃園非常非常關心的一個題目不過針對這個交通部提出來的報告這個本席就有點小意見這根據你的未來的這個政策的方向這點我非常滿意就是說我們要透過\n\n00:36.159 --> 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