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00:03:06,633\n那所以就是說如果說要這個整個是變成一張卡片的話其實那個基北北桃這邊投入的成本是蠻高的所以原來縣府6月份提報到局裡面來的時候是討論就是說如果說已經有買到這個1200塊的這一個基北北桃的這一個TPASS的票卡的時候那再加1100這樣子的話就是說也可以取得這個1800塊的這個北宜的這個廊道的這個1800塊的月票\n\n9\n00:03:11,716 --> 00:03:39,029\n那所以就是說大概就是說還是維持2300那這個相關的補貼的話其實這個中央也都有給相關的補助那確實是不是說目前他可能是初步是這樣子當然未來的整合如果說能夠用更節省的這個修改的幅度那這樣子的話其實我們也可以來那個協助宜蘭縣來處理這樣子好局長我拜託就是我們在未來北北基討在討論的時候能夠納入以\n\n10\n00:03:41,210 --> 00:04:05,372\n對,能夠納入宜蘭就北北機陶宜一併做檢討,看能不能把所有的這個優惠就整合成一張卡這樣子,這部分拜託局長那另外剛剛局長您也有說到這個700元的部分,因為他是1800加1200然後縣政府目前是退700塊那退700塊的部分我在3月19也曾經詢問過,這個部分是不是我們交通部這邊可以來幫助宜蘭縣政府對700塊的部分來做補貼\n\n11\n00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:34,868\n因為這個部分還要再精算跟委員報告就是說因為全國的那個TPASS的定價因為定價是比如說你到底要收多少錢是地方政府定的可是中央有一個原則也就是說我們基本上就是說我們最多就是整個票價在這個成本裡面不能低於三折啦所以就是說我們也就是說中央最多就是說整個的如果說這個需要補貼的大概是70%\n\n12\n00:04:36,049 --> 00:04:37,290\n臺灣PASSTPASS2.0\n\n13\n00:05:00,250 --> 00:05:17,928\n那這個部分他可能就是台灣PASS的升級版那相關的這個配套我相信應該非常的這個完整那也可能對於這個乘車的民眾可能會有許多的幫助可是我感覺到就是說事實上對於觀光旅宿業來講並沒有實質的一個幫助的誘因\n\n14\n00:05:21,411 --> 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750另外還有個1200所以會是不同的這個套票那1800跟1200是可以合併在一起如果可以的話我們是希望能夠整合成一張卡就好可是現在宜蘭的鄉親他出門是要帶兩張卡\n這個我請局長跟您報告一下根委員報告因為宜蘭縣府這邊就是說大概也有提案到局裡面來做審查了那2300元的這個月票方案其實6月份我們有給他核定了那核定的話其實未來就是說當然就是這一個因為他要整合這個基北北桃的1200所以會變成說基北北桃的這一個他們的系統修改的幅度會蠻大的\n那所以就是說如果說要這個整個是變成一張卡片的話其實那個基北北桃這邊投入的成本是蠻高的所以原來縣府6月份提報到局裡面來的時候是討論就是說如果說已經有買到這個1200塊的這一個基北北桃的這一個TPASS的票卡的時候那再加1100這樣子的話就是說也可以取得這個1800塊的這個北宜的這個廊道的這個1800塊的月票\n那所以就是說大概就是說還是維持2300那這個相關的補貼的話其實這個中央也都有給相關的補助那確實是不是說目前他可能是初步是這樣子當然未來的整合如果說能夠用更節省的這個修改的幅度那這樣子的話其實我們也可以來那個協助宜蘭縣來處理這樣子好 局長我拜託就是我們在未來北北基討在討論的時候能夠納入以\n對,能夠納入宜蘭就北北機陶宜一併做檢討,看能不能把所有的這個優惠就整合成一張卡這樣子,這部分拜託局長那另外剛剛局長您也有說到這個700元的部分,因為他是1800加1200然後縣政府目前是退700塊那退700塊的部分我在3月19也曾經詢問過,這個部分是不是我們交通部這邊可以來幫助宜蘭縣政府對700塊的部分來做補貼\n因為這個部分還要再精算跟委員報告就是說因為全國的那個TPASS的定價因為定價是比如說你到底要收多少錢是地方政府定的可是中央有一個原則也就是說我們基本上就是說我們最多就是整個票價在這個成本裡面不能低於三折啦所以就是說我們也就是說中央最多就是說整個的如果說這個需要補貼的大概是70%\n臺灣PASS TPASS 2.0\n那這個部分他可能就是台灣PASS的升級版那相關的這個配套我相信應該非常的這個完整那也可能對於這個乘車的民眾可能會有許多的幫助可是我感覺到就是說事實上對於觀光旅宿業來講並沒有實質的一個幫助的誘因\n所以我有一個建議就是說對於我們未來再推出的這個升級版的部分是不是可以考量到觀光旅宿業那對於他們的部分我們是不是可以在這個車票補助的時候憑住宿票券可以再減少多少費用有沒有可能是這樣子\n那另外我再用一點時間我還是拜託我們部長因為說實在的在這個\n國道的車流量我上次詢問過就是說我們在近期內好像有發現到國道5號的車流量已經有回復的情況可是這個回復我這幾天觀察並不是這個到宜蘭的遊客住宿的情況他可能是單日的旅遊\n他去到宜蘭之後可能今天傍晚就回程了所以並沒有辦法達到讓這個旅宿業的這個住房率提高那我這幾天觀察我們宜蘭縣的這個觀光旅宿業住房率還是沒有辦法回復到去年的這個同時間的八成現在目前應該是大概三成多而已也沒有辦法有比較好的方式來這個復甦所以我還是建議說在0403\n以上謝謝部長謝謝局長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.752 --> 00:11.484\n好謝謝主席我們李昭偉我們有請我們李部長請李部長\n\n00:15.638 --> 00:40.998\n部長午安辛苦了委員好部長我想請教一下TPASS現在在宜蘭這個使用率我們每天大概有7000位的這個民眾在使用那對於這個部分因為宜蘭縣除了推出這個1800的這個套票以外還有另外一個1200那之前我在3月19號曾經在總質詢的時候詢問過我們之前王部長\n\n00:41.598 --> 00:58.166\n對於這個部分因為兩張票券的使用這個票卡讓民眾在出門的時候會衍生許多非常困擾的問題那如果拿錯卡被扣款也是被白扣了所以我覺得說是不是兩張卡可以合併可是\n\n00:59.266 --> 01:19.232\n當時是我們交通部是有答應就是會後會跟縣政府來做這個協調那看起來目前這個依然縣政府的態度應該是考量到成本的問題所以在這個兩張卡合併的方面他們可能目前沒有這個想法那未來我們交通部是不是可以再邀集縣政府\n\n01:20.772 --> 01:44.201\n針對這個問題再做一次這個比較緊密的協調我的瞭解目前宜蘭是有一個是宜蘭縣內是750那另外宜蘭跟台北跨城是1800那最近他們也會提一個宜蘭跨城際再加雙北因為他可能到了台北還要在雙北之間的這個搭乘各種大眾運輸那個是2300那\n\n01:46.862 --> 02:11.191\n這三種卡怎麼樣整合一般來講民眾應該只會在三種選一種比較合理跟部長報告一下他現在是1800750另外還有個1200所以會是不同的這個套票那1800跟1200是可以合併在一起如果可以的話我們是希望能夠整合成一張卡就好可是現在宜蘭的鄉親他出門是要帶兩張卡\n\n02:13.231 --> 02:40.877\n這個我請局長跟您報告一下根委員報告因為宜蘭縣府這邊就是說大概也有提案到局裡面來做審查了那2300元的這個月票方案其實6月份我們有給他核定了那核定的話其實未來就是說當然就是這一個因為他要整合這個基北北桃的1200所以會變成說基北北桃的這一個他們的系統修改的幅度會蠻大的\n\n02:42.597 --> 03:06.633\n那所以就是說如果說要這個整個是變成一張卡片的話其實那個基北北桃這邊投入的成本是蠻高的所以原來縣府6月份提報到局裡面來的時候是討論就是說如果說已經有買到這個1200塊的這一個基北北桃的這一個TPASS的票卡的時候那再加1100這樣子的話就是說也可以取得這個1800塊的這個北宜的這個廊道的這個1800塊的月票\n\n03:11.716 --> 03:39.029\n那所以就是說大概就是說還是維持2300那這個相關的補貼的話其實這個中央也都有給相關的補助那確實是不是說目前他可能是初步是這樣子當然未來的整合如果說能夠用更節省的這個修改的幅度那這樣子的話其實我們也可以來那個協助宜蘭縣來處理這樣子好局長我拜託就是我們在未來北北基討在討論的時候能夠納入以\n\n03:41.210 --> 04:05.372\n對,能夠納入宜蘭就北北機陶宜一併做檢討,看能不能把所有的這個優惠就整合成一張卡這樣子,這部分拜託局長那另外剛剛局長您也有說到這個700元的部分,因為他是1800加1200然後縣政府目前是退700塊那退700塊的部分我在3月19也曾經詢問過,這個部分是不是我們交通部這邊可以來幫助宜蘭縣政府對700塊的部分來做補貼\n\n04:08.750 --> 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