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00:00:34,836\n條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12條之\n\n4\n00:00:54,835 --> 00:01:11,996\n三條之二條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n5\n00:01:13,217 --> 00:01:24,543\n我想這個是大家討論的過程裡面有意見那我也跟我們的同仁討論過是不會有涉及到違憲的部分本來就是而且你們剛剛說這是空白授權那我要請問你們目前運採條例的第三條你們運動採券的定義是指以各種運動競技為標的那我請你定義一下所謂的運動競技是什麼如果運動競技是你們可以這樣來然後就可以通過你們運採條例那我今天所提出來的當然也沒有所謂的這個空白授權的問題啊不是嗎\n\n6\n00:01:42,992 --> 00:01:56,572\n因為二十一條他其實你看他第三條講各種運動競技為標的那二十一條處罰又把他就是妨礙投注標的嘛所以是指運彩公司開的我們才罰那現在當然運彩公司沒有開的很多運動賽事的\n\n7\n00:01:58,214 --> 00:02:02,896\n三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n8\n00:02:24,665 --> 00:02:32,052\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人�\n\n9\n00:02:49,187 --> 00:02:49,467\n三、審查委員\n\n10\n00:03:19,167 --> 00:03:19,929\n第二十六條之一條文草案案。\n\n11\n00:03:29,704 --> 00:03:51,625\n三、審查委員林德福等三十人擬具:「運動產業發展條例三十條之五條之三已經被列為失蹤,這都會是觸怒到我們WADA這樣的一個法規,這很嚴重,你到時候就要準備上場就發現你的藥檢並沒有被世俗的一個通知,然後因此錯失了怎麼辦?對,我想這裡面有些也不是國手啦,不過\n\n12\n00:03:52,145 --> 00:03:53,826\n二、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n\n13\n00:04:18,504 --> 00:04:21,066\n三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之\n\n14\n00:04:43,275 --> 00:04:44,476\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n\n15\n00:05:09,961 --> 00:05:18,048\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例�\n\n16\n00:05:38,925 --> 00:05:40,006\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n17\n00:05:59,036 --> 00:06:04,181\n我本身是沒有聽到這件事情,我不知道署長有沒有,我請署長來回答署長你沒有聽到這件事情,我們往下看他的執行長都已經要請辭了,為什麼?因為他認為體育署給他,他雖然是個獨立基金會可是他卻用你們代辦的費用裡面來支付他董事長的薪水代辦費用可以這樣做嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:18,373 --> 00:06:39,017\n報告委員,首先這些我先解釋一下,在幾年前挖打要求世界各國在政府支持運動經驗這件事情我們有簽一個合約,那這個合約上面有講到,第一個我們全力要支持他的那個。我知道了署長這都不是問題。第二個,不能有任何的介入,所以其實我們在這件事情上面我們也是第一次遇到,那我們也在學習。\n\n19\n00:06:39,417 --> 00:06:46,399\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案�\n\n20\n00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:10,809\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文\n\n21\n00:07:32,725 --> 00:07:43,631\n三條之一條之二條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n\n22\n00:07:47,597 --> 00:08:15,266\n所以我只能告訴你不要每次體育署的大辦費太多人需要被你們來照顧不要以獨立機關之時然後當你做任何事情的時候只是因為過去的資格資歷都非常的大然後以至於讓很多人都不敢去有任何的聲音出現我覺得這對我們來說是完全不能夠接受的好不好那最後的時間裡面我們來看一下我們現在目前要升格為體育暨運動發展部然後你們應該都辦了四次的論壇嘛對不對已經兩次了\n\n23\n00:08:16,906 --> 00:08:27,449\n已經兩次,成效怎麼樣?報告委員,其實我們第一場的確有點比較衝突,人數不夠多,但是第二場就滿場。滿場是社會賢達人士來,還是你體育署長動用所有的關係,請他們號召人數過來?報告委員,其實都是體育界的人,不管怎麼樣,他們各個階層,從專業運動教練到政府機關代表,幾乎都有人來參加。所以這個叫社會共識嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:42,814 --> 00:08:43,374\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n25\n00:09:06,340 --> 00:09:12,364\n三條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條\n\n26\n00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,005\n三條之一條文草案案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t13006\t二條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n13737\t14438\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n33314\t34836\t條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12條之\n54835\t71996\t三條之二條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n73217\t84543\t我想這個是大家討論的過程裡面有意見那我也跟我們的同仁討論過是不會有涉及到違憲的部分本來就是而且你們剛剛說這是空白授權那我要請問你們目前運採條例的第三條你們運動採券的定義是指以各種運動競技為標的那我請你定義一下所謂的運動競技是什麼如果運動競技是你們可以這樣來然後就可以通過你們運採條例那我今天所提出來的當然也沒有所謂的這個空白授權的問題啊不是嗎\n102992\t116572\t因為二十一條他其實你看他第三條講各種運動競技為標的那二十一條處罰又把他就是妨礙投注標的嘛所以是指運彩公司開的我們才罰那現在當然運彩公司沒有開的很多運動賽事的\n118214\t122896\t三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n144665\t152052\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人�\n169187\t169467\t三、審查委員\n199167\t199929\t第二十六條之一條文草案案。\n209704\t231625\t三、審查委員林德福等三十人擬具:「運動產業發展條例三十條之五條之三已經被列為失蹤,這都會是觸怒到我們WADA這樣的一個法規,這很嚴重,你到時候就要準備上場就發現你的藥檢並沒有被世俗的一個通知,然後因此錯失了怎麼辦?對,我想這裡面有些也不是國手啦,不過\n232145\t233826\t二、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n258504\t261066\t三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之\n283275\t284476\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n309961\t318048\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例�\n338925\t340006\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n359036\t364181\t我本身是沒有聽到這件事情,我不知道署長有沒有,我請署長來回答署長你沒有聽到這件事情,我們往下看他的執行長都已經要請辭了,為什麼?因為他認為體育署給他,他雖然是個獨立基金會可是他卻用你們代辦的費用裡面來支付他董事長的薪水代辦費用可以這樣做嗎?\n378373\t399017\t報告委員,首先這些我先解釋一下,在幾年前挖打要求世界各國在政府支持運動經驗這件事情我們有簽一個合約,那這個合約上面有講到,第一個我們全力要支持他的那個。我知道了署長這都不是問題。第二個,不能有任何的介入,所以其實我們在這件事情上面我們也是第一次遇到,那我們也在學習。\n399417\t406399\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案�\n427927\t430809\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文\n452725\t463631\t三條之一條之二條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n467597\t495266\t所以我只能告訴你不要每次體育署的大辦費太多人需要被你們來照顧不要以獨立機關之時然後當你做任何事情的時候只是因為過去的資格資歷都非常的大然後以至於讓很多人都不敢去有任何的聲音出現我覺得這對我們來說是完全不能夠接受的好不好那最後的時間裡面我們來看一下我們現在目前要升格為體育暨運動發展部然後你們應該都辦了四次的論壇嘛對不對已經兩次了\n496906\t507449\t已經兩次,成效怎麼樣?報告委員,其實我們第一場的確有點比較衝突,人數不夠多,但是第二場就滿場。滿場是社會賢達人士來,還是你體育署長動用所有的關係,請他們號召人數過來?報告委員,其實都是體育界的人,不管怎麼樣,他們各個階層,從專業運動教練到政府機關代表,幾乎都有人來參加。所以這個叫社會共識嗎?\n522814\t523374\t三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n546340\t552364\t三條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條\n576400\t577005\t三條之一條文草案案。\n","txt":"二條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12條之\n三條之二條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n我想這個是大家討論的過程裡面有意見那我也跟我們的同仁討論過是不會有涉及到違憲的部分本來就是而且你們剛剛說這是空白授權那我要請問你們目前運採條例的第三條你們運動採券的定義是指以各種運動競技為標的那我請你定義一下所謂的運動競技是什麼如果運動競技是你們可以這樣來然後就可以通過你們運採條例那我今天所提出來的當然也沒有所謂的這個空白授權的問題啊不是嗎\n因為二十一條他其實你看他第三條講各種運動競技為標的那二十一條處罰又把他就是妨礙投注標的嘛所以是指運彩公司開的我們才罰那現在當然運彩公司沒有開的很多運動賽事的\n三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人�\n三、審查委員\n第二十六條之一條文草案案。\n三、審查委員林德福等三十人擬具:「運動產業發展條例三十條之五條之三已經被列為失蹤,這都會是觸怒到我們WADA這樣的一個法規,這很嚴重,你到時候就要準備上場就發現你的藥檢並沒有被世俗的一個通知,然後因此錯失了怎麼辦?對,我想這裡面有些也不是國手啦,不過\n二、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例�\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n我本身是沒有聽到這件事情,我不知道署長有沒有,我請署長來回答署長你沒有聽到這件事情,我們往下看他的執行長都已經要請辭了,為什麼?因為他認為體育署給他,他雖然是個獨立基金會可是他卻用你們代辦的費用裡面來支付他董事長的薪水代辦費用可以這樣做嗎?\n報告委員,首先這些我先解釋一下,在幾年前挖打要求世界各國在政府支持運動經驗這件事情我們有簽一個合約,那這個合約上面有講到,第一個我們全力要支持他的那個。我知道了署長這都不是問題。第二個,不能有任何的介入,所以其實我們在這件事情上面我們也是第一次遇到,那我們也在學習。\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案�\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文\n三條之一條之二條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n所以我只能告訴你不要每次體育署的大辦費太多人需要被你們來照顧不要以獨立機關之時然後當你做任何事情的時候只是因為過去的資格資歷都非常的大然後以至於讓很多人都不敢去有任何的聲音出現我覺得這對我們來說是完全不能夠接受的好不好那最後的時間裡面我們來看一下我們現在目前要升格為體育暨運動發展部然後你們應該都辦了四次的論壇嘛對不對已經兩次了\n已經兩次,成效怎麼樣?報告委員,其實我們第一場的確有點比較衝突,人數不夠多,但是第二場就滿場。滿場是社會賢達人士來,還是你體育署長動用所有的關係,請他們號召人數過來?報告委員,其實都是體育界的人,不管怎麼樣,他們各個階層,從專業運動教練到政府機關代表,幾乎都有人來參加。所以這個叫社會共識嗎?\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n三條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條\n三條之一條文草案案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:13.006\n二條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n\n00:13.737 --> 00:14.438\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n00:33.314 --> 00:34.836\n條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第12條之\n\n00:54.835 --> 01:11.996\n三條之二條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n01:13.217 --> 01:24.543\n我想這個是大家討論的過程裡面有意見那我也跟我們的同仁討論過是不會有涉及到違憲的部分本來就是而且你們剛剛說這是空白授權那我要請問你們目前運採條例的第三條你們運動採券的定義是指以各種運動競技為標的那我請你定義一下所謂的運動競技是什麼如果運動競技是你們可以這樣來然後就可以通過你們運採條例那我今天所提出來的當然也沒有所謂的這個空白授權的問題啊不是嗎\n\n01:42.992 --> 01:56.572\n因為二十一條他其實你看他第三條講各種運動競技為標的那二十一條處罰又把他就是妨礙投注標的嘛所以是指運彩公司開的我們才罰那現在當然運彩公司沒有開的很多運動賽事的\n\n01:58.214 --> 02:02.896\n三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n02:24.665 --> 02:32.052\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人�\n\n02:49.187 --> 02:49.467\n三、審查委員\n\n03:19.167 --> 03:19.929\n第二十六條之一條文草案案。\n\n03:29.704 --> 03:51.625\n三、審查委員林德福等三十人擬具:「運動產業發展條例三十條之五條之三已經被列為失蹤,這都會是觸怒到我們WADA這樣的一個法規,這很嚴重,你到時候就要準備上場就發現你的藥檢並沒有被世俗的一個通知,然後因此錯失了怎麼辦?對,我想這裡面有些也不是國手啦,不過\n\n03:52.145 --> 03:53.826\n二、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n\n04:18.504 --> 04:21.066\n三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具第12條之\n\n04:43.275 --> 04:44.476\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之\n\n05:09.961 --> 05:18.048\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例�\n\n05:38.925 --> 05:40.006\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n05:59.036 --> 06:04.181\n我本身是沒有聽到這件事情,我不知道署長有沒有,我請署長來回答署長你沒有聽到這件事情,我們往下看他的執行長都已經要請辭了,為什麼?因為他認為體育署給他,他雖然是個獨立基金會可是他卻用你們代辦的費用裡面來支付他董事長的薪水代辦費用可以這樣做嗎?\n\n06:18.373 --> 06:39.017\n報告委員,首先這些我先解釋一下,在幾年前挖打要求世界各國在政府支持運動經驗這件事情我們有簽一個合約,那這個合約上面有講到,第一個我們全力要支持他的那個。我知道了署長這都不是問題。第二個,不能有任何的介入,所以其實我們在這件事情上面我們也是第一次遇到,那我們也在學習。\n\n06:39.417 --> 06:46.399\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例增訂第二十四條之二條文修正草案�\n\n07:07.927 --> 07:10.809\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等16人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文\n\n07:32.725 --> 07:43.631\n三條之一條之二條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n\n07:47.597 --> 08:15.266\n所以我只能告訴你不要每次體育署的大辦費太多人需要被你們來照顧不要以獨立機關之時然後當你做任何事情的時候只是因為過去的資格資歷都非常的大然後以至於讓很多人都不敢去有任何的聲音出現我覺得這對我們來說是完全不能夠接受的好不好那最後的時間裡面我們來看一下我們現在目前要升格為體育暨運動發展部然後你們應該都辦了四次的論壇嘛對不對已經兩次了\n\n08:16.906 --> 08:27.449\n已經兩次,成效怎麼樣?報告委員,其實我們第一場的確有點比較衝突,人數不夠多,但是第二場就滿場。滿場是社會賢達人士來,還是你體育署長動用所有的關係,請他們號召人數過來?報告委員,其實都是體育界的人,不管怎麼樣,他們各個階層,從專業運動教練到政府機關代表,幾乎都有人來參加。所以這個叫社會共識嗎?\n\n08:42.814 --> 08:43.374\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n09:06.340 --> 09:12.364\n三條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員蔡易餘等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文草案：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條\n\n09:36.400 --> 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