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00:01:10,865\n好次長好那麼還有幾位那我就想先就教一個過去曾經在我們司法法制委員會跟檢察署發生一個爭議昨天大家看到了憲法訴訟法的憲法法庭的開庭那麼關於憲法訴訟法何謂機關正義案件規定在我們憲法訴訟法的第65條第一項那麼還有包括4至585號的解釋說是要有具體案件那你們就你的認知所謂的機關正義案件的申請要件是什麼\n\n4\n00:01:11,445 --> 00:01:33,457\n在憲法書法案第65條第一項就一般常識人認知﹖你可以回答嗎?這是由﹖就主法官來來。我了解就是我們一般的法律常識我也是從這個常識面來思考的。我了解但是您就這個條文來講他的申請要件很容易理解吧?\n\n5\n00:01:35,191 --> 00:01:54,828\n不便回答,那我們看進行第二頁,4至729號立法院我們司法委員會曾經要求要調閱319槍擊案當時跟最高檢察署有職權上的爭議,這個部分次長你可以答了吧你對這個案件的了解他是有在爭議,是行政院跟立法院在權限的爭議是不是?\n\n6\n00:01:56,823 --> 00:02:15,177\n那時候本委員會本院本委員會要求調閱文件根據當時的立法院執行司法那你們行政院法務部最高檢察署認為呢不適合所以這是不是屬於屬於偵查職權與立法院調閱文件的權限爭議\n\n7\n00:02:21,476 --> 00:02:46,315\n對這個偵查的權限行使的時候那必定會跟行政機關所以是不是比較像是剛剛講的憲法訴訟法第65條的適用對象當時是不是走這個部分來我往下看我們這邊左邊這個部分當行政院跟立法院有權限爭議的時候我們申請司法院憲法法庭來做判決是不是那這裡面呢\n\n8\n00:02:47,577 --> 00:03:02,888\n就產生了729號的解釋文他當時還是用司法院大法官審理案件法大審法來處理那大概呢大審法的那個條次啊大概就跟我們的現在的憲法訴訟法的65條相近這你瞭解吧沒有錯沒有錯嗎很好那現在呢我們看到了現在昨天審法法庭呢他行政院\n\n9\n00:03:11,946 --> 00:03:18,311\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n\n10\n00:03:40,439 --> 00:04:06,761\n應該是法規範法規範對所以若認為行政院法規範本身可能抵觸憲法申請法律違憲那當然是適用我們憲法憲訴法第47條的部分是不是這樣子我們來看一下憲法訴訟法第47條第一項國家最高機關因本身或下級機關行使之權就所適用的法規範認為這個法規範有抵觸憲法者申請憲法法庭為宣告違憲的判決是法律有沒有違憲的申請是不是這樣是\n\n11\n00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:28,826\n那至於我們剛剛講的四至七二九號呢他講的是憲法輸送法第六十五條第一項最高機關應行使職權與其他國家最高機關發生憲法上權限之爭議經爭議之機關協商未果得申請憲法法庭為機關爭議之判決這裡指的是合憲的法律要如何適用的問題是不是這樣\n\n12\n00:04:31,096 --> 00:04:50,774\n是好謝謝那我們講看那最後呢就憲法訴訟法呢我們昨天是做暫時處分的效力根據這第43條憲法的第43條第一項暫時處分的有對法律凍結那等到判決確定後呢再實施那請問在你認知裡面法律凍結期間立法院之間行使法比如說人事同意權是否應依舊法執行\n\n13\n00:04:56,719 --> 00:05:11,419\n這個要看憲法法庭怎麼判決如果要說暫停試用那當然我們的人事同意權比如說接下來審查的可能就按照舊法那麼舊法是不是現況?是不是新法試用前的現況就是舊法?\n\n14\n00:05:13,221 --> 00:05:40,708\n對。對嘛。所以適用舊法大概是對現況變動最小的原則嘛。也可能損害是最小嘛。是。好謝謝。好來我們現在看今天的主題齁。來。刑事訴訟中被告可能失聯的時間欸。我希望失聯啦。不要說逃逸啦。也不要說脫逃啦齁。請問在起訴前就偵查中。以及呢起訴後審判中。或者在判決後執行的階段。請問根據統計目前這個三個階段分別過去你們的統計有多少人失聯?你這個偵查中的有沒有統計過?\n\n15\n00:05:44,930 --> 00:06:04,893\n我們目前只有偵查跟執行大概三萬多人三萬多人好那審判中的呢誰知道來我們法官有統計過這幾年目前還目前通緝而還沒有徹緝的案件大概六千件出頭六六\n\n16\n00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:24,979\n指的就是起訴後到判決確定前對不對?法院審理中的有多少?六千出頭見那剛剛講的是三萬多人嘛因為我們有案子還沒起訴對我知道起訴前嘛跟判決執行階段嘛好所以呢我們看得很清楚在這三個階段都有可能是本修正法案的含色範圍我們往下看\n\n17\n00:06:25,885 --> 00:06:42,959\n所以棄保潛逃的罪責的處罰基本上根據我們看到的修正條文的第161條之一的第一項在交保折付限制出入居或限制出境出海經傳喚到庭而未到就發布通緝目前所處罰的對象就是發布通緝的這些人是不是這樣子你們的意見當中\n\n18\n00:06:47,390 --> 00:07:08,948\n我們在草案裡面不會以發佈通緝作為唯一的要件。我們現在看有哪一些考量。您說得很好,我看了你們的意見覺得蠻不錯的。首先第一個,我們最根本的問題是防止嫌犯逃亡國外。通常在發佈通緝或者限制出境的時候,這個時候我們假設被告可能還在\n\n19\n00:07:09,770 --> 00:07:27,126\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n\n20\n00:07:34,042 --> 00:07:52,368\n你們覺得這個護照注銷後有沒有有助於讓這個逃亡的嫌犯或被告在國外的行動上受到拘束?報告人注銷護照是外交部的權責。那你們認為有沒有幫助?因為今天沒有找外交部啊。現在一般來講說他只要有通知我們限制出境的\n\n21\n00:07:52,748 --> 00:08:21,208\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n\n22\n00:08:22,789 --> 00:08:47,459\n之一及第二百六十二條之一及第三百六十一條之一及四十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及\n\n23\n00:08:48,977 --> 00:09:14,160\n依照刑事說法一百一十六條之二這個是替代羈押處羈押替代處分是如果認為有必要的話法院可以秘密實務上有沒有說具保之後沒有扣護照的比例多少這個是個案由法院來審卓你們有沒有統計目前我覺得你們要統計一下因為法官覺得不用扣護照結果他已經偷渡出境拿在國外拿著台灣的護照還到把把照有沒有這樣的情況\n\n24\n00:09:15,782 --> 00:09:40,157\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n\n25\n00:09:43,220 --> 00:09:58,009\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一及第八百六十一\n\n26\n00:10:05,216 --> 00:10:31,903\n法務部跟司法院可不可以利用電子繳料加強防治被告脫逃,在他判決確定後到執行之間?對,如果在審理中法官不是審理中我說判決確定他沒判決確定他不跑啊,判決確定到法院執行他跑掉啦不是他他那個他只要在審理中他有裝設電子的監控設備會平轉給我們的那個平安那有沒有那種在審理中沒有裝設的,因為不曉得會判有罪嘛但判決有罪之後呢發現這個很重大\n\n27\n00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:53,528\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n\n28\n00:10:54,764 --> 00:11:18,779\n現在大家對於人云亦雨會聲會影說一大堆人就是因為我們沒有房子要脫逃趴趴照這些在實務上你們都有手段可以防治的或者要入法或者你們現在行政上就要去處理應該要先做一個統計讓我們知道說這個手段有沒有必要同不同意同意好現在我們最後我們看結論了問題二對不起往前看還有人不知道自己被通緝的我覺得你們這裡已經講清楚了\n\n29\n00:11:19,158 --> 00:11:39,532\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n\n30\n00:11:47,773 --> 00:11:59,036\n之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一\n\n31\n00:12:02,171 --> 00:12:05,092\n三（罪無罪結果為未到庭但被判刑。」\n\n32\n00:12:19,775 --> 00:12:45,828\n因為他不因為他後來最後宣判無罪的結果有可能是他延遲拖延拒不到庭產生無法傳喚無法審理的結果那這種情況下他的一個脫逃就還是要處刑最後的結果我們做結論這個棄保潛逃需要再研議希望你們再用科學工具來防逃以上剛剛所提的要求你們做的統計數字請盡速的什麼時候可以交給本席你們統計讓我們知道未來修法的依據\n\n33\n00:12:51,305 --> 00:12:51,706\n條文修正草案案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3946\t19859\t另外我們那個我們同時做一個宣告今天委員提出臨時提案那我們依據往例在上午11點的時候處理那如果屆時有委員在巡打那我們就請該委員巡打完畢之後馬上進行臨時提案處理不好意思\n20899\t33256\t好謝謝主席主席在場委員先進烈士政府評判所長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生而有請徐次長和司法院的主法官以及移民署的林組長好組長\n42932\t70865\t好 次長好 那麼還有幾位那我就想先就教一個過去曾經在我們司法法制委員會跟檢察署發生一個爭議昨天大家看到了憲法訴訟法的憲法法庭的開庭那麼關於憲法訴訟法何謂機關正義案件規定在我們憲法訴訟法的第65條第一項那麼還有包括4至585號的解釋說是要有具體案件那你們就你的認知所謂的機關正義案件的申請要件是什麼\n71445\t93457\t在憲法書法案第65條第一項就一般常識人認知﹖你可以回答嗎?這是由﹖就主法官來來。我了解就是我們一般的法律常識我也是從這個常識面來思考的。我了解但是您就這個條文來講他的申請要件很容易理解吧?\n95191\t114828\t不便回答,那我們看進行第二頁,4至729號立法院我們司法委員會曾經要求要調閱319槍擊案當時跟最高檢察署有職權上的爭議,這個部分次長你可以答了吧你對這個案件的了解他是有在爭議,是行政院跟立法院在權限的爭議是不是?\n116823\t135177\t那時候本委員會本院本委員會要求調閱文件根據當時的立法院執行司法那你們行政院法務部最高檢察署認為呢不適合所以這是不是屬於屬於偵查職權與立法院調閱文件的權限爭議\n141476\t166315\t對這個偵查的權限行使的時候那必定會跟行政機關所以是不是比較像是剛剛講的憲法訴訟法第65條的適用對象當時是不是走這個部分來我往下看我們這邊左邊這個部分當行政院跟立法院有權限爭議的時候我們申請司法院憲法法庭來做判決是不是那這裡面呢\n167577\t182888\t就產生了729號的解釋文他當時還是用司法院大法官審理案件法大審法來處理那大概呢大審法的那個條次啊大概就跟我們的現在的憲法訴訟法的65條相近這你瞭解吧沒有錯沒有錯嗎很好那現在呢我們看到了現在昨天審法法庭呢他行政院\n191946\t198311\t條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n220439\t246761\t應該是法規範法規範對所以若認為行政院法規範本身可能抵觸憲法申請法律違憲那當然是適用我們憲法憲訴法第47條的部分是不是這樣子我們來看一下憲法訴訟法第47條第一項國家最高機關因本身或下級機關行使之權就所適用的法規範認為這個法規範有抵觸憲法者申請憲法法庭為宣告違憲的判決是法律有沒有違憲的申請是不是這樣是\n248479\t268826\t那至於我們剛剛講的四至七二九號呢他講的是憲法輸送法第六十五條第一項最高機關應行使職權與其他國家最高機關發生憲法上權限之爭議經爭議之機關協商未果得申請憲法法庭為機關爭議之判決這裡指的是合憲的法律要如何適用的問題是不是這樣\n271096\t290774\t是好謝謝那我們講看那最後呢就憲法訴訟法呢我們昨天是做暫時處分的效力根據這第43條憲法的第43條第一項暫時處分的有對法律凍結那等到判決確定後呢再實施那請問在你認知裡面法律凍結期間立法院之間行使法比如說人事同意權是否應依舊法執行\n296719\t311419\t這個要看憲法法庭怎麼判決如果要說暫停試用那當然我們的人事同意權比如說接下來審查的可能就按照舊法那麼舊法是不是現況?是不是新法試用前的現況就是舊法?\n313221\t340708\t對。對嘛。所以適用舊法大概是對現況變動最小的原則嘛。也可能損害是最小嘛。是。好謝謝。好來我們現在看今天的主題齁。來。刑事訴訟中被告可能失聯的時間欸。我希望失聯啦。不要說逃逸啦。也不要說脫逃啦齁。請問在起訴前就偵查中。以及呢起訴後審判中。或者在判決後執行的階段。請問根據統計目前這個三個階段分別過去你們的統計有多少人失聯?你這個偵查中的有沒有統計過?\n344930\t364893\t我們目前只有偵查跟執行大概三萬多人三萬多人好那審判中的呢誰知道來我們法官有統計過這幾年目前還目前通緝而還沒有徹緝的案件大概六千件出頭六六\n365990\t384979\t指的就是起訴後到判決確定前對不對?法院審理中的有多少?六千出頭見那剛剛講的是三萬多人嘛因為我們有案子還沒起訴對我知道起訴前嘛跟判決執行階段嘛好所以呢我們看得很清楚在這三個階段都有可能是本修正法案的含色範圍我們往下看\n385885\t402959\t所以棄保潛逃的罪責的處罰基本上根據我們看到的修正條文的第161條之一的第一項在交保折付限制出入居或限制出境出海經傳喚到庭而未到就發布通緝目前所處罰的對象就是發布通緝的這些人是不是這樣子你們的意見當中\n407390\t428948\t我們在草案裡面不會以發佈通緝作為唯一的要件。我們現在看有哪一些考量。您說得很好,我看了你們的意見覺得蠻不錯的。首先第一個,我們最根本的問題是防止嫌犯逃亡國外。通常在發佈通緝或者限制出境的時候,這個時候我們假設被告可能還在\n429770\t447126\t之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n454042\t472368\t你們覺得這個護照注銷後有沒有有助於讓這個逃亡的嫌犯或被告在國外的行動上受到拘束?報告人注銷護照是外交部的權責。那你們認為有沒有幫助?因為今天沒有找外交部啊。現在一般來講說他只要有通知我們限制出境的\n472748\t501208\t之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n502789\t527459\t之一及第二百六十二條之一及第三百六十一條之一及四十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及\n528977\t554160\t依照刑事說法一百一十六條之二這個是替代羈押處羈押替代處分是如果認為有必要的話法院可以秘密實務上有沒有說具保之後沒有扣護照的比例多少這個是個案由法院來審卓你們有沒有統計目前我覺得你們要統計一下因為法官覺得不用扣護照結果他已經偷渡出境拿在國外拿著台灣的護照還到把把照有沒有這樣的情況\n555782\t580157\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n583220\t598009\t之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一及第八百六十一\n605216\t631903\t法務部跟司法院可不可以利用電子繳料加強防治被告脫逃,在他判決確定後到執行之間?對,如果在審理中法官不是審理中我說判決確定他沒判決確定他不跑啊,判決確定到法院執行他跑掉啦不是他他那個他只要在審理中他有裝設電子的監控設備會平轉給我們的那個平安那有沒有那種在審理中沒有裝設的,因為不曉得會判有罪嘛但判決有罪之後呢發現這個很重大\n633166\t653528\t之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n654764\t678779\t現在大家對於人云亦雨會聲會影說一大堆人就是因為我們沒有房子要脫逃趴趴照這些在實務上你們都有手段可以防治的或者要入法或者你們現在行政上就要去處理應該要先做一個統計讓我們知道說這個手段有沒有必要同不同意同意好現在我們最後我們看結論了問題二對不起往前看還有人不知道自己被通緝的我覺得你們這裡已經講清楚了\n679158\t699532\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n707773\t719036\t之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一\n722171\t725092\t三（罪無罪結果為未到庭但被判刑。」\n739775\t765828\t因為他不因為他後來最後宣判無罪的結果有可能是他延遲拖延拒不到庭產生無法傳喚無法審理的結果那這種情況下他的一個脫逃就還是要處刑最後的結果我們做結論這個棄保潛逃需要再研議希望你們再用科學工具來防逃以上剛剛所提的要求你們做的統計數字請盡速的什麼時候可以交給本席你們統計讓我們知道未來修法的依據\n771305\t771706\t條文修正草案案。\n","txt":"另外我們那個我們同時做一個宣告今天委員提出臨時提案那我們依據往例在上午11點的時候處理那如果屆時有委員在巡打那我們就請該委員巡打完畢之後馬上進行臨時提案處理不好意思\n好謝謝主席主席在場委員先進烈士政府評判所長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生而有請徐次長和司法院的主法官以及移民署的林組長好組長\n好 次長好 那麼還有幾位那我就想先就教一個過去曾經在我們司法法制委員會跟檢察署發生一個爭議昨天大家看到了憲法訴訟法的憲法法庭的開庭那麼關於憲法訴訟法何謂機關正義案件規定在我們憲法訴訟法的第65條第一項那麼還有包括4至585號的解釋說是要有具體案件那你們就你的認知所謂的機關正義案件的申請要件是什麼\n在憲法書法案第65條第一項就一般常識人認知﹖你可以回答嗎?這是由﹖就主法官來來。我了解就是我們一般的法律常識我也是從這個常識面來思考的。我了解但是您就這個條文來講他的申請要件很容易理解吧?\n不便回答,那我們看進行第二頁,4至729號立法院我們司法委員會曾經要求要調閱319槍擊案當時跟最高檢察署有職權上的爭議,這個部分次長你可以答了吧你對這個案件的了解他是有在爭議,是行政院跟立法院在權限的爭議是不是?\n那時候本委員會本院本委員會要求調閱文件根據當時的立法院執行司法那你們行政院法務部最高檢察署認為呢不適合所以這是不是屬於屬於偵查職權與立法院調閱文件的權限爭議\n對這個偵查的權限行使的時候那必定會跟行政機關所以是不是比較像是剛剛講的憲法訴訟法第65條的適用對象當時是不是走這個部分來我往下看我們這邊左邊這個部分當行政院跟立法院有權限爭議的時候我們申請司法院憲法法庭來做判決是不是那這裡面呢\n就產生了729號的解釋文他當時還是用司法院大法官審理案件法大審法來處理那大概呢大審法的那個條次啊大概就跟我們的現在的憲法訴訟法的65條相近這你瞭解吧沒有錯沒有錯嗎很好那現在呢我們看到了現在昨天審法法庭呢他行政院\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n應該是法規範法規範對所以若認為行政院法規範本身可能抵觸憲法申請法律違憲那當然是適用我們憲法憲訴法第47條的部分是不是這樣子我們來看一下憲法訴訟法第47條第一項國家最高機關因本身或下級機關行使之權就所適用的法規範認為這個法規範有抵觸憲法者申請憲法法庭為宣告違憲的判決是法律有沒有違憲的申請是不是這樣是\n那至於我們剛剛講的四至七二九號呢他講的是憲法輸送法第六十五條第一項最高機關應行使職權與其他國家最高機關發生憲法上權限之爭議經爭議之機關協商未果得申請憲法法庭為機關爭議之判決這裡指的是合憲的法律要如何適用的問題是不是這樣\n是好謝謝那我們講看那最後呢就憲法訴訟法呢我們昨天是做暫時處分的效力根據這第43條憲法的第43條第一項暫時處分的有對法律凍結那等到判決確定後呢再實施那請問在你認知裡面法律凍結期間立法院之間行使法比如說人事同意權是否應依舊法執行\n這個要看憲法法庭怎麼判決如果要說暫停試用那當然我們的人事同意權比如說接下來審查的可能就按照舊法那麼舊法是不是現況?是不是新法試用前的現況就是舊法?\n對。對嘛。所以適用舊法大概是對現況變動最小的原則嘛。也可能損害是最小嘛。是。好謝謝。好來我們現在看今天的主題齁。來。刑事訴訟中被告可能失聯的時間欸。我希望失聯啦。不要說逃逸啦。也不要說脫逃啦齁。請問在起訴前就偵查中。以及呢起訴後審判中。或者在判決後執行的階段。請問根據統計目前這個三個階段分別過去你們的統計有多少人失聯?你這個偵查中的有沒有統計過?\n我們目前只有偵查跟執行大概三萬多人三萬多人好那審判中的呢誰知道來我們法官有統計過這幾年目前還目前通緝而還沒有徹緝的案件大概六千件出頭六六\n指的就是起訴後到判決確定前對不對?法院審理中的有多少?六千出頭見那剛剛講的是三萬多人嘛因為我們有案子還沒起訴對我知道起訴前嘛跟判決執行階段嘛好所以呢我們看得很清楚在這三個階段都有可能是本修正法案的含色範圍我們往下看\n所以棄保潛逃的罪責的處罰基本上根據我們看到的修正條文的第161條之一的第一項在交保折付限制出入居或限制出境出海經傳喚到庭而未到就發布通緝目前所處罰的對象就是發布通緝的這些人是不是這樣子你們的意見當中\n我們在草案裡面不會以發佈通緝作為唯一的要件。我們現在看有哪一些考量。您說得很好,我看了你們的意見覺得蠻不錯的。首先第一個,我們最根本的問題是防止嫌犯逃亡國外。通常在發佈通緝或者限制出境的時候,這個時候我們假設被告可能還在\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n你們覺得這個護照注銷後有沒有有助於讓這個逃亡的嫌犯或被告在國外的行動上受到拘束?報告人注銷護照是外交部的權責。那你們認為有沒有幫助?因為今天沒有找外交部啊。現在一般來講說他只要有通知我們限制出境的\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n之一及第二百六十二條之一及第三百六十一條之一及四十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及\n依照刑事說法一百一十六條之二這個是替代羈押處羈押替代處分是如果認為有必要的話法院可以秘密實務上有沒有說具保之後沒有扣護照的比例多少這個是個案由法院來審卓你們有沒有統計目前我覺得你們要統計一下因為法官覺得不用扣護照結果他已經偷渡出境拿在國外拿著台灣的護照還到把把照有沒有這樣的情況\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一及第八百六十一\n法務部跟司法院可不可以利用電子繳料加強防治被告脫逃,在他判決確定後到執行之間?對,如果在審理中法官不是審理中我說判決確定他沒判決確定他不跑啊,判決確定到法院執行他跑掉啦不是他他那個他只要在審理中他有裝設電子的監控設備會平轉給我們的那個平安那有沒有那種在審理中沒有裝設的,因為不曉得會判有罪嘛但判決有罪之後呢發現這個很重大\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n現在大家對於人云亦雨會聲會影說一大堆人就是因為我們沒有房子要脫逃趴趴照這些在實務上你們都有手段可以防治的或者要入法或者你們現在行政上就要去處理應該要先做一個統計讓我們知道說這個手段有沒有必要同不同意同意好現在我們最後我們看結論了問題二對不起往前看還有人不知道自己被通緝的我覺得你們這裡已經講清楚了\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一\n三（罪無罪結果為未到庭但被判刑。」\n因為他不因為他後來最後宣判無罪的結果有可能是他延遲拖延拒不到庭產生無法傳喚無法審理的結果那這種情況下他的一個脫逃就還是要處刑最後的結果我們做結論這個棄保潛逃需要再研議希望你們再用科學工具來防逃以上剛剛所提的要求你們做的統計數字請盡速的什麼時候可以交給本席你們統計讓我們知道未來修法的依據\n條文修正草案案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.946 --> 00:19.859\n另外我們那個我們同時做一個宣告今天委員提出臨時提案那我們依據往例在上午11點的時候處理那如果屆時有委員在巡打那我們就請該委員巡打完畢之後馬上進行臨時提案處理不好意思\n\n00:20.899 --> 00:33.256\n好謝謝主席主席在場委員先進烈士政府評判所長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生而有請徐次長和司法院的主法官以及移民署的林組長好組長\n\n00:42.932 --> 01:10.865\n好次長好那麼還有幾位那我就想先就教一個過去曾經在我們司法法制委員會跟檢察署發生一個爭議昨天大家看到了憲法訴訟法的憲法法庭的開庭那麼關於憲法訴訟法何謂機關正義案件規定在我們憲法訴訟法的第65條第一項那麼還有包括4至585號的解釋說是要有具體案件那你們就你的認知所謂的機關正義案件的申請要件是什麼\n\n01:11.445 --> 01:33.457\n在憲法書法案第65條第一項就一般常識人認知﹖你可以回答嗎?這是由﹖就主法官來來。我了解就是我們一般的法律常識我也是從這個常識面來思考的。我了解但是您就這個條文來講他的申請要件很容易理解吧?\n\n01:35.191 --> 01:54.828\n不便回答,那我們看進行第二頁,4至729號立法院我們司法委員會曾經要求要調閱319槍擊案當時跟最高檢察署有職權上的爭議,這個部分次長你可以答了吧你對這個案件的了解他是有在爭議,是行政院跟立法院在權限的爭議是不是?\n\n01:56.823 --> 02:15.177\n那時候本委員會本院本委員會要求調閱文件根據當時的立法院執行司法那你們行政院法務部最高檢察署認為呢不適合所以這是不是屬於屬於偵查職權與立法院調閱文件的權限爭議\n\n02:21.476 --> 02:46.315\n對這個偵查的權限行使的時候那必定會跟行政機關所以是不是比較像是剛剛講的憲法訴訟法第65條的適用對象當時是不是走這個部分來我往下看我們這邊左邊這個部分當行政院跟立法院有權限爭議的時候我們申請司法院憲法法庭來做判決是不是那這裡面呢\n\n02:47.577 --> 03:02.888\n就產生了729號的解釋文他當時還是用司法院大法官審理案件法大審法來處理那大概呢大審法的那個條次啊大概就跟我們的現在的憲法訴訟法的65條相近這你瞭解吧沒有錯沒有錯嗎很好那現在呢我們看到了現在昨天審法法庭呢他行政院\n\n03:11.946 --> 03:18.311\n條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員\n\n03:40.439 --> 04:06.761\n應該是法規範法規範對所以若認為行政院法規範本身可能抵觸憲法申請法律違憲那當然是適用我們憲法憲訴法第47條的部分是不是這樣子我們來看一下憲法訴訟法第47條第一項國家最高機關因本身或下級機關行使之權就所適用的法規範認為這個法規範有抵觸憲法者申請憲法法庭為宣告違憲的判決是法律有沒有違憲的申請是不是這樣是\n\n04:08.479 --> 04:28.826\n那至於我們剛剛講的四至七二九號呢他講的是憲法輸送法第六十五條第一項最高機關應行使職權與其他國家最高機關發生憲法上權限之爭議經爭議之機關協商未果得申請憲法法庭為機關爭議之判決這裡指的是合憲的法律要如何適用的問題是不是這樣\n\n04:31.096 --> 04:50.774\n是好謝謝那我們講看那最後呢就憲法訴訟法呢我們昨天是做暫時處分的效力根據這第43條憲法的第43條第一項暫時處分的有對法律凍結那等到判決確定後呢再實施那請問在你認知裡面法律凍結期間立法院之間行使法比如說人事同意權是否應依舊法執行\n\n04:56.719 --> 05:11.419\n這個要看憲法法庭怎麼判決如果要說暫停試用那當然我們的人事同意權比如說接下來審查的可能就按照舊法那麼舊法是不是現況?是不是新法試用前的現況就是舊法?\n\n05:13.221 --> 05:40.708\n對。對嘛。所以適用舊法大概是對現況變動最小的原則嘛。也可能損害是最小嘛。是。好謝謝。好來我們現在看今天的主題齁。來。刑事訴訟中被告可能失聯的時間欸。我希望失聯啦。不要說逃逸啦。也不要說脫逃啦齁。請問在起訴前就偵查中。以及呢起訴後審判中。或者在判決後執行的階段。請問根據統計目前這個三個階段分別過去你們的統計有多少人失聯?你這個偵查中的有沒有統計過?\n\n05:44.930 --> 06:04.893\n我們目前只有偵查跟執行大概三萬多人三萬多人好那審判中的呢誰知道來我們法官有統計過這幾年目前還目前通緝而還沒有徹緝的案件大概六千件出頭六六\n\n06:05.990 --> 06:24.979\n指的就是起訴後到判決確定前對不對?法院審理中的有多少?六千出頭見那剛剛講的是三萬多人嘛因為我們有案子還沒起訴對我知道起訴前嘛跟判決執行階段嘛好所以呢我們看得很清楚在這三個階段都有可能是本修正法案的含色範圍我們往下看\n\n06:25.885 --> 06:42.959\n所以棄保潛逃的罪責的處罰基本上根據我們看到的修正條文的第161條之一的第一項在交保折付限制出入居或限制出境出海經傳喚到庭而未到就發布通緝目前所處罰的對象就是發布通緝的這些人是不是這樣子你們的意見當中\n\n06:47.390 --> 07:08.948\n我們在草案裡面不會以發佈通緝作為唯一的要件。我們現在看有哪一些考量。您說得很好,我看了你們的意見覺得蠻不錯的。首先第一個,我們最根本的問題是防止嫌犯逃亡國外。通常在發佈通緝或者限制出境的時候,這個時候我們假設被告可能還在\n\n07:09.770 --> 07:27.126\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n\n07:34.042 --> 07:52.368\n你們覺得這個護照注銷後有沒有有助於讓這個逃亡的嫌犯或被告在國外的行動上受到拘束?報告人注銷護照是外交部的權責。那你們認為有沒有幫助?因為今天沒有找外交部啊。現在一般來講說他只要有通知我們限制出境的\n\n07:52.748 --> 08:21.208\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三\n\n08:22.789 --> 08:47.459\n之一及第二百六十二條之一及第三百六十一條之一及四十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及\n\n08:48.977 --> 09:14.160\n依照刑事說法一百一十六條之二這個是替代羈押處羈押替代處分是如果認為有必要的話法院可以秘密實務上有沒有說具保之後沒有扣護照的比例多少這個是個案由法院來審卓你們有沒有統計目前我覺得你們要統計一下因為法官覺得不用扣護照結果他已經偷渡出境拿在國外拿著台灣的護照還到把把照有沒有這樣的情況\n\n09:15.782 --> 09:40.157\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n\n09:43.220 --> 09:58.009\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一及第八百六十一\n\n10:05.216 --> 10:31.903\n法務部跟司法院可不可以利用電子繳料加強防治被告脫逃,在他判決確定後到執行之間?對,如果在審理中法官不是審理中我說判決確定他沒判決確定他不跑啊,判決確定到法院執行他跑掉啦不是他他那個他只要在審理中他有裝設電子的監控設備會平轉給我們的那個平安那有沒有那種在審理中沒有裝設的,因為不曉得會判有罪嘛但判決有罪之後呢發現這個很重大\n\n10:33.166 --> 10:53.528\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n\n10:54.764 --> 11:18.779\n現在大家對於人云亦雨會聲會影說一大堆人就是因為我們沒有房子要脫逃趴趴照這些在實務上你們都有手段可以防治的或者要入法或者你們現在行政上就要去處理應該要先做一個統計讓我們知道說這個手段有沒有必要同不同意同意好現在我們最後我們看結論了問題二對不起往前看還有人不知道自己被通緝的我覺得你們這裡已經講清楚了\n\n11:19.158 --> 11:39.532\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n\n11:47.773 --> 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十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":707.773,"end":719.036,"text":"之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一"},{"start":722.171,"end":725.092,"text":"三（罪無罪結果為未到庭但被判刑。」"},{"start":739.775,"end":765.828,"text":"因為他不因為他後來最後宣判無罪的結果有可能是他延遲拖延拒不到庭產生無法傳喚無法審理的結果那這種情況下他的一個脫逃就還是要處刑最後的結果我們做結論這個棄保潛逃需要再研議希望你們再用科學工具來防逃以上剛剛所提的要求你們做的統計數字請盡速的什麼時候可以交給本席你們統計讓我們知道未來修法的依據"},{"start":771.305,"end":771.706,"text":"條文修正草案案。"}]}}}}