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00:02:35,064\n三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n9\n00:02:55,896 --> 00:02:56,156\n第二十六條之\n\n10\n00:03:11,138 --> 00:03:30,801\n其實這個組織文化一直是我們在告訴體育署他們我認為體育署自己也知道面臨很大的困境就是組織文化不只是來自體育署內部還有更多是來自外部整個體育界的氛圍每一次我們只要到教文來執行體育署得到的回應狀況我常常自己都會冒出這個問號怎麼說呢我來舉一些例子跟次長分享\n\n11\n00:03:31,582 --> 00:03:38,925\n第一個在我們6月12號的質詢我們提了很多問題這個問題是在體育署補助的賽事現場竟然看到了有性騷行為人來當工作人員這個我不知道次長您記不記得或是署長您記不記得那網友也有很多討論甚至這個事情我在質詢台上也問過體育署我們來看下一個還有談過這個北部球隊的教練不當的體罰對待選手而且不是只有在高職甚至在國中端也一樣\n\n12\n00:03:58,772 --> 00:04:18,170\n次長我們今天不一個一個Case來因為這些全部都是我講過這樣這些都有在處理對可是已讀不回就是對已讀不回真的不知道為什麼再來一樣同一場質詢我談到大仁國中一樣目前我們收到狀態我覺得是石沉大海次長您過去擔任委員多年關心基層教育文化你自己覺得看到你的質詢被這樣對待我們怎麼看待\n\n13\n00:04:19,751 --> 00:04:29,555\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案�\n\n14\n00:04:45,862 --> 00:05:00,009\n其實我們台灣的政府花非常多錢在補助這些單項協會或是補助非常多運動發展如同次長您剛說的可是我們身為主管機關我們卻對面對很多事情我們好像都沒有辦法有所作為我們到底該怎麼辦這只是我舉了其中幾個現象來看下一頁4月18號我們一樣有質詢這個案子已經追蹤了超過半年以上我們對我們問題欲述為什麼這個人他可以在\n\n15\n00:05:09,634 --> 00:05:10,335\n二、審查委員林德福等19人擬具\n\n16\n00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:29,901\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n17\n00:05:43,695 --> 00:05:44,135\n三條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n18\n00:06:00,657 --> 00:06:01,077\n三條之一條文草案案。\n\n19\n00:06:22,847 --> 00:06:23,047\n三條之二條之一條\n\n20\n00:06:39,734 --> 00:06:40,494\n四、審查委員林德福等19人擬具\n\n21\n00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:58,121\n三條之二條之二條之二條之二條之二條之二條之二條之\n\n22\n00:07:20,117 --> 00:07:43,396\n因為面臨升格的壓力還有奧運的籌辦那現在有很多的事情包括今天要審的運動產業發展條例我想我們都非常認真的在面對開過好幾次會那我個人也不會因為說以前當委員這樣主張然後當了這個次長之後負責體育署我就改變立場事實上剛才我也跟誠實的跟大院報告運產條例26條之二當年我主張250%後來只有通過150%看到\n\n23\n00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:56,304\n三條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案\n\n24\n00:08:03,268 --> 00:08:18,340\n次長謝謝因為我時間有限我我因為真的非常相信次長您是有改革的決心所以我就直接在這整個會期當中我們花了這麼多時間談這麼多個案可是我要說其實個案不是增加或減少的問題而是整個體育界的文化\n\n25\n00:08:20,281 --> 00:08:41,600\n對還有就是就官方來說是態度跟回應的問題可是就我們站在民間我們來看是整個體育文化要改變的問題喔如果現在在這些位置上的這部分我們會來檢討是我覺得在這個位置上的大家如果都願意相信體育可以往更文明更現代化的腳步去走絕對對未來的整個台灣體育發展才是好事甚且劉伯鈞都還提醒我們不要再講體育了要講運動\n\n26\n00:08:43,161 --> 00:08:43,702\n三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n27\n00:09:03,442 --> 00:09:04,483\n二條之一條之一條\n\n28\n00:09:20,877 --> 00:09:21,998\n二、審查委員張雅玲等19人擬具\n\n29\n00:09:55,236 --> 00:09:56,258\n三條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n\n30\n00:10:08,800 --> 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。\n382847\t383047\t三條之二條之一條\n399734\t400494\t四、審查委員林德福等19人擬具\n415959\t418121\t三條之二條之二條之二條之二條之二條之二條之二條之\n440117\t463396\t因為面臨升格的壓力還有奧運的籌辦那現在有很多的事情包括今天要審的運動產業發展條例我想我們都非常認真的在面對開過好幾次會那我個人也不會因為說以前當委員這樣主張然後當了這個次長之後負責體育署我就改變立場事實上剛才我也跟誠實的跟大院報告運產條例26條之二當年我主張250%後來只有通過150%看到\n468200\t476304\t三條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案\n483268\t498340\t次長謝謝因為我時間有限我我因為真的非常相信次長您是有改革的決心所以我就直接在這整個會期當中我們花了這麼多時間談這麼多個案可是我要說其實個案不是增加或減少的問題而是整個體育界的文化\n500281\t521600\t對還有就是就官方來說是態度跟回應的問題可是就我們站在民間我們來看是整個體育文化要改變的問題喔如果現在在這些位置上的這部分我們會來檢討是我覺得在這個位置上的大家如果都願意相信體育可以往更文明更現代化的腳步去走絕對對未來的整個台灣體育發展才是好事甚且劉伯鈞都還提醒我們不要再講體育了要講運動\n523161\t523702\t三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n543442\t544483\t二條之一條之一條\n560877\t561998\t二、審查委員張雅玲等19人擬具\n595236\t596258\t三條之一條之一條之一條之一條\n608800\t618607\t二、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例四、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例五、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例六、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例七、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例八、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例九、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條\n","txt":"我們請陳培宇委員好謝謝主席那有請次長謝謝好請次長謝謝\n四、審查委員林德福等19人擬具〈運動發展部組織圖〉草案。\n我時間有限,部長我想這個就是目前坦白講是從原來體育署的架構裡面然後特別把全民運動跟運動產業的部分把它抽出來另外運動產業除了行政體系的師或署之外當時的規劃那麼希望能夠成立更靈活的一個法人性質的國家運動產業發展中心\n從這裡看出來就是我們升格之後很大的兩個部分就是除了原來的體育運動之外我們希望在運動產業的鼓勵就是剛才很多委員都關心到的那另外呢就是全民運動的普及化就是我們現在因為運動產業市場規模小\n四、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具\n三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n第二十六條之\n其實這個組織文化一直是我們在告訴體育署他們我認為體育署自己也知道面臨很大的困境就是組織文化不只是來自體育署內部還有更多是來自外部整個體育界的氛圍每一次我們只要到教文來執行體育署得到的回應狀況我常常自己都會冒出這個問號怎麼說呢我來舉一些例子跟次長分享\n第一個在我們6月12號的質詢我們提了很多問題這個問題是在體育署補助的賽事現場竟然看到了有性騷行為人來當工作人員這個我不知道次長您記不記得或是署長您記不記得那網友也有很多討論甚至這個事情我在質詢台上也問過體育署我們來看下一個還有談過這個北部球隊的教練不當的體罰對待選手而且不是只有在高職甚至在國中端也一樣\n次長我們今天不一個一個Case來因為這些全部都是我講過這樣這些都有在處理對可是已讀不回就是對已讀不回真的不知道為什麼再來一樣同一場質詢我談到大仁國中一樣目前我們收到狀態我覺得是石沉大海次長您過去擔任委員多年關心基層教育文化你自己覺得看到你的質詢被這樣對待我們怎麼看待\n三條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員林德福等19人擬具:「運動產業發展條例第二十六條之一條文修正草案�\n其實我們台灣的政府花非常多錢在補助這些單項協會或是補助非常多運動發展如同次長您剛說的可是我們身為主管機關我們卻對面對很多事情我們好像都沒有辦法有所作為我們到底該怎麼辦這只是我舉了其中幾個現象來看下一頁4月18號我們一樣有質詢這個案子已經追蹤了超過半年以上我們對我們問題欲述為什麼這個人他可以在\n二、審查委員林德福等19人擬具\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n三條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n三條之一條文草案 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00:09.954\n我們請陳培宇委員好謝謝主席那有請次長謝謝好請次長謝謝\n\n00:16.343 --> 00:17.524\n四、審查委員林德福等19人擬具〈運動發展部組織圖〉草案。\n\n00:38.567 --> 01:00.420\n我時間有限,部長我想這個就是目前坦白講是從原來體育署的架構裡面然後特別把全民運動跟運動產業的部分把它抽出來另外運動產業除了行政體系的師或署之外當時的規劃那麼希望能夠成立更靈活的一個法人性質的國家運動產業發展中心\n\n01:03.381 --> 01:18.092\n從這裡看出來就是我們升格之後很大的兩個部分就是除了原來的體育運動之外我們希望在運動產業的鼓勵就是剛才很多委員都關心到的那另外呢就是全民運動的普及化就是我們現在因為運動產業市場規模小\n\n01:20.094 --> 01:21.015\n四、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n01:40.404 --> 01:41.264\n三、審查委員林德福等16人擬具\n\n02:08.214 --> 02:08.494\n三、審查委員林德福等19人擬具\n\n02:26.960 --> 02:35.064\n三條之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n02:55.896 --> 02:56.156\n第二十六條之\n\n03:11.138 --> 03:30.801\n其實這個組織文化一直是我們在告訴體育署他們我認為體育署自己也知道面臨很大的困境就是組織文化不只是來自體育署內部還有更多是來自外部整個體育界的氛圍每一次我們只要到教文來執行體育署得到的回應狀況我常常自己都會冒出這個問號怎麼說呢我來舉一些例子跟次長分享\n\n03:31.582 --> 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