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00:00:49,940\n二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n\n3\n00:00:58,402 --> 00:01:22,382\n所以你同不同意這是一個就是要訂這些罪責是不是刑事政策的問題我想這個是刑事政策同時也是符合國人的期待我想這是大家的期待所以因為我剛才聽到你講說就是說我們現在是雖然我們當時是因為美國有相關棄保潛逃罪的相關的規定歐陸法系的國家就沒有嘛\n\n4\n00:01:23,539 --> 00:01:42,177\n所以我現在才會問你說那到底我國要不要就是你要仿效美國要定立棄保潛逃罪或者你要採歐陸歐美那個歐陸國家的立法沒有所以這這就是你的抉擇嗎是所以這就是我國要不要採這樣的一個形式政策的問題嗎\n\n5\n00:01:44,215 --> 00:02:09,051\n所以當然現在從你的整份報告裡面你講得很清楚了就是說依照為了確保我們的司法的公信力還有讓這個司法權及刑法權能夠正確的行使必發現事實的身像維護司法的公信力那你是認為說法務部的立場認為說這是要定的要定相關的妨害這個司法的相關的一個罪責\n\n6\n00:02:10,233 --> 00:02:26,735\n三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n\n7\n00:02:28,416 --> 00:02:42,983\n要處罰禁命、拒保、責負、限制駐居及特定處分或命令之人對於積極逃亡藏匿之行為。」因為我們有些委員他的立法並沒有就逃亡藏匿的行為做一個文字的敘述,那你們這邊有強調嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:47,825 --> 00:03:00,096\n所以你這個版本已經寫得非常清楚了就對於說你這個潛逃的行為是什麼你們這個法案這個條文裡面有做一個規定嘛另外就妨礙作證罪你們在172條之二或者172條之三\n\n9\n00:03:06,281 --> 00:03:30,657\n也處罰對協助詢問程序證人的人或對專家鑑定人或專家證人通歷等施以恐嚇騷擾等及行賄的犯罪行為也予以處罰所以這個也有對騷擾恐嚇證人鑑定人的行為予以處罰另外172條之四非法使用卷證罪\n\n10\n00:03:31,778 --> 00:03:54,729\n也加以處罰。另外對於不法關說罪在一百七十二條之五又有很明確的一個規定所以你已經涵蓋了整個我們這個這個妨礙司法罪的相關的一個規定所以你已經有這麼好的草案所以我們的問題又回到說經過了11次的審查會議今年也開了兩次去年開了三次\n\n11\n00:03:55,829 --> 00:04:22,412\n為什麼這部草案在行政院那邊會一直卡住出不來?包括委員這個就是成果這是很多專家學者慢慢會慢慢修所以委員剛才看到說這個很好啊這個就是這11次的成果這不是一進去就長這個樣子所以你這次的成果已經也就是說你現在已經修正的差不多了最後的版本已經差不多了\n\n12\n00:04:23,152 --> 00:04:39,249\n也就是說剛才您回答這個審判會委員說這個星期五這個星期五行政院你們就已經把文字修正送到行政院了嘛行政院就會核定不是這樣嗎會寫那個司法院對然後是什麼情況請再說明清楚\n\n13\n00:04:41,482 --> 00:05:06,578\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百\n\n14\n00:05:09,580 --> 00:05:11,320\n三）委員羅智強等27人擬具〈中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n15\n00:05:31,809 --> 00:05:32,169\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n\n16\n00:05:47,225 --> 00:06:07,354\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一\n\n17\n00:06:08,607 --> 00:06:12,289\n三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期\n\n18\n00:06:27,073 --> 00:06:41,768\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一\n\n19\n00:06:42,429 --> 00:06:58,290\n再可以刑責恐構成雙重處罰,不符而比例原則。」也有人認為說若逃獄的被告本身犯的是輕罪卻被加判棄跑潛逃罪有可能導致後罪大於全罪,不符比例原則。\n\n20\n00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:13,610\n市長你贊成這樣的看法嗎這個我們之前他們在研討的時候有討論過不過我們還是為了維護司法的一個公正審判這個兩個是分開的不是市長我們現在純粹這個看法見解啊\n\n21\n00:07:17,314 --> 00:07:40,656\n其實我提出我的見解給你看,你看這個是不是有道理。就是說你現在我們的很多的刑罰,我們除了就是說判有期徒刑以外,我們會並科罰金。所以你這個拒保潛逃罪,沒收他的金額,這對你就是一個罰金刑,然後再給他一個刑度,這怎麼會有什麼不符比例原則的規定呢?\n\n22\n00:07:41,878 --> 00:07:55,330\n這就跟我們現在的刑法規定一樣啊給你罰金病科罰金就你拒保錢然後你那個金額我就給你沒收拒保券就給你沒收而且給你刑責所以這很OK的我不曉得是哪門子的學者的見解蠻奇怪的\n\n23\n00:07:57,091 --> 00:08:00,492\n三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n\n24\n00:08:16,340 --> 00:08:34,069\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第四百六十一條之一及第七百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第\n\n25\n00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:56,401\n三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n\n26\n00:09:03,524 --> 00:09:22,824\n三）委員洪孟楷等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10365\t11166\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n27725\t49940\t二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n58402\t82382\t所以你同不同意這是一個就是要訂這些罪責是不是刑事政策的問題我想這個是刑事政策同時也是符合國人的期待我想這是大家的期待所以因為我剛才聽到你講說就是說我們現在是雖然我們當時是因為美國有相關棄保潛逃罪的相關的規定歐陸法系的國家就沒有嘛\n83539\t102177\t所以我現在才會問你說那到底我國要不要就是你要仿效美國要定立棄保潛逃罪或者你要採歐陸歐美那個歐陸國家的立法沒有所以這這就是你的抉擇嗎是所以這就是我國要不要採這樣的一個形式政策的問題嗎\n104215\t129051\t所以當然現在從你的整份報告裡面你講得很清楚了就是說依照為了確保我們的司法的公信力還有讓這個司法權及刑法權能夠正確的行使必發現事實的身像維護司法的公信力那你是認為說法務部的立場認為說這是要定的要定相關的妨害這個司法的相關的一個罪責\n130233\t146735\t三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n148416\t162983\t要處罰禁命、拒保、責負、限制駐居及特定處分或命令之人對於積極逃亡藏匿之行為。」因為我們有些委員他的立法並沒有就逃亡藏匿的行為做一個文字的敘述,那你們這邊有強調嗎?\n167825\t180096\t所以你這個版本已經寫得非常清楚了就對於說你這個潛逃的行為是什麼你們這個法案這個條文裡面有做一個規定嘛另外就妨礙作證罪你們在172條之二或者172條之三\n186281\t210657\t也處罰對協助詢問程序證人的人或對專家鑑定人或專家證人通歷等施以恐嚇騷擾等及行賄的犯罪行為也予以處罰所以這個也有對騷擾恐嚇證人鑑定人的行為予以處罰另外172條之四非法使用卷證罪\n211778\t234729\t也加以處罰。另外對於不法關說罪在一百七十二條之五又有很明確的一個規定所以你已經涵蓋了整個我們這個這個妨礙司法罪的相關的一個規定所以你已經有這麼好的草案所以我們的問題又回到說經過了11次的審查會議今年也開了兩次去年開了三次\n235829\t262412\t為什麼這部草案在行政院那邊會一直卡住出不來?包括委員這個就是成果這是很多專家學者慢慢會慢慢修所以委員剛才看到說這個很好啊這個就是這11次的成果這不是一進去就長這個樣子所以你這次的成果已經也就是說你現在已經修正的差不多了最後的版本已經差不多了\n263152\t279249\t也就是說剛才您回答這個審判會委員說這個星期五這個星期五行政院你們就已經把文字修正送到行政院了嘛行政院就會核定不是這樣嗎會寫那個司法院對然後是什麼情況請再說明清楚\n281482\t306578\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百\n309580\t311320\t三）委員羅智強等27人擬具〈中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案案〉案。\n331809\t332169\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n347225\t367354\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一\n368607\t372289\t三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期\n387073\t401768\t之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一\n402429\t418290\t再可以刑責恐構成雙重處罰,不符而比例原則。」也有人認為說若逃獄的被告本身犯的是輕罪卻被加判棄跑潛逃罪有可能導致後罪大於全罪,不符比例原則。\n419878\t433610\t市長你贊成這樣的看法嗎這個我們之前他們在研討的時候有討論過不過我們還是為了維護司法的一個公正審判這個兩個是分開的不是市長我們現在純粹這個看法見解啊\n437314\t460656\t其實我提出我的見解給你看,你看這個是不是有道理。就是說你現在我們的很多的刑罰,我們除了就是說判有期徒刑以外,我們會並科罰金。所以你這個拒保潛逃罪,沒收他的金額,這對你就是一個罰金刑,然後再給他一個刑度,這怎麼會有什麼不符比例原則的規定呢?\n461878\t475330\t這就跟我們現在的刑法規定一樣啊給你罰金病科罰金就你拒保錢然後你那個金額我就給你沒收拒保券就給你沒收而且給你刑責所以這很OK的我不曉得是哪門子的學者的見解蠻奇怪的\n477091\t480492\t三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n496340\t514069\t之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第四百六十一條之一及第七百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第\n515390\t536401\t三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n543524\t562824\t三）委員洪孟楷等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及\n","txt":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n所以你同不同意這是一個就是要訂這些罪責是不是刑事政策的問題我想這個是刑事政策同時也是符合國人的期待我想這是大家的期待所以因為我剛才聽到你講說就是說我們現在是雖然我們當時是因為美國有相關棄保潛逃罪的相關的規定歐陸法系的國家就沒有嘛\n所以我現在才會問你說那到底我國要不要就是你要仿效美國要定立棄保潛逃罪或者你要採歐陸歐美那個歐陸國家的立法沒有所以這這就是你的抉擇嗎是所以這就是我國要不要採這樣的一個形式政策的問題嗎\n所以當然現在從你的整份報告裡面你講得很清楚了就是說依照為了確保我們的司法的公信力還有讓這個司法權及刑法權能夠正確的行使必發現事實的身像維護司法的公信力那你是認為說法務部的立場認為說這是要定的要定相關的妨害這個司法的相關的一個罪責\n三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n要處罰禁命、拒保、責負、限制駐居及特定處分或命令之人對於積極逃亡藏匿之行為。」因為我們有些委員他的立法並沒有就逃亡藏匿的行為做一個文字的敘述,那你們這邊有強調嗎?\n所以你這個版本已經寫得非常清楚了就對於說你這個潛逃的行為是什麼你們這個法案這個條文裡面有做一個規定嘛另外就妨礙作證罪你們在172條之二或者172條之三\n也處罰對協助詢問程序證人的人或對專家鑑定人或專家證人通歷等施以恐嚇騷擾等及行賄的犯罪行為也予以處罰所以這個也有對騷擾恐嚇證人鑑定人的行為予以處罰另外172條之四非法使用卷證罪\n也加以處罰。另外對於不法關說罪在一百七十二條之五又有很明確的一個規定所以你已經涵蓋了整個我們這個這個妨礙司法罪的相關的一個規定所以你已經有這麼好的草案所以我們的問題又回到說經過了11次的審查會議今年也開了兩次去年開了三次\n為什麼這部草案在行政院那邊會一直卡住出不來?包括委員這個就是成果這是很多專家學者慢慢會慢慢修所以委員剛才看到說這個很好啊這個就是這11次的成果這不是一進去就長這個樣子所以你這次的成果已經也就是說你現在已經修正的差不多了最後的版本已經差不多了\n也就是說剛才您回答這個審判會委員說這個星期五這個星期五行政院你們就已經把文字修正送到行政院了嘛行政院就會核定不是這樣嗎會寫那個司法院對然後是什麼情況請再說明清楚\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百\n三）委員羅智強等27人擬具〈中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案案〉案。\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一\n三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一\n再可以刑責恐構成雙重處罰,不符而比例原則。」也有人認為說若逃獄的被告本身犯的是輕罪卻被加判棄跑潛逃罪有可能導致後罪大於全罪,不符比例原則。\n市長你贊成這樣的看法嗎這個我們之前他們在研討的時候有討論過不過我們還是為了維護司法的一個公正審判這個兩個是分開的不是市長我們現在純粹這個看法見解啊\n其實我提出我的見解給你看,你看這個是不是有道理。就是說你現在我們的很多的刑罰,我們除了就是說判有期徒刑以外,我們會並科罰金。所以你這個拒保潛逃罪,沒收他的金額,這對你就是一個罰金刑,然後再給他一個刑度,這怎麼會有什麼不符比例原則的規定呢?\n這就跟我們現在的刑法規定一樣啊給你罰金病科罰金就你拒保錢然後你那個金額我就給你沒收拒保券就給你沒收而且給你刑責所以這很OK的我不曉得是哪門子的學者的見解蠻奇怪的\n三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第四百六十一條之一及第七百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第\n三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n三）委員洪孟楷等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.365 --> 00:11.166\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n\n00:27.725 --> 00:49.940\n二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百\n\n00:58.402 --> 01:22.382\n所以你同不同意這是一個就是要訂這些罪責是不是刑事政策的問題我想這個是刑事政策同時也是符合國人的期待我想這是大家的期待所以因為我剛才聽到你講說就是說我們現在是雖然我們當時是因為美國有相關棄保潛逃罪的相關的規定歐陸法系的國家就沒有嘛\n\n01:23.539 --> 01:42.177\n所以我現在才會問你說那到底我國要不要就是你要仿效美國要定立棄保潛逃罪或者你要採歐陸歐美那個歐陸國家的立法沒有所以這這就是你的抉擇嗎是所以這就是我國要不要採這樣的一個形式政策的問題嗎\n\n01:44.215 --> 02:09.051\n所以當然現在從你的整份報告裡面你講得很清楚了就是說依照為了確保我們的司法的公信力還有讓這個司法權及刑法權能夠正確的行使必發現事實的身像維護司法的公信力那你是認為說法務部的立場認為說這是要定的要定相關的妨害這個司法的相關的一個罪責\n\n02:10.233 --> 02:26.735\n三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n\n02:28.416 --> 02:42.983\n要處罰禁命、拒保、責負、限制駐居及特定處分或命令之人對於積極逃亡藏匿之行為。」因為我們有些委員他的立法並沒有就逃亡藏匿的行為做一個文字的敘述,那你們這邊有強調嗎?\n\n02:47.825 --> 03:00.096\n所以你這個版本已經寫得非常清楚了就對於說你這個潛逃的行為是什麼你們這個法案這個條文裡面有做一個規定嘛另外就妨礙作證罪你們在172條之二或者172條之三\n\n03:06.281 --> 03:30.657\n也處罰對協助詢問程序證人的人或對專家鑑定人或專家證人通歷等施以恐嚇騷擾等及行賄的犯罪行為也予以處罰所以這個也有對騷擾恐嚇證人鑑定人的行為予以處罰另外172條之四非法使用卷證罪\n\n03:31.778 --> 03:54.729\n也加以處罰。另外對於不法關說罪在一百七十二條之五又有很明確的一個規定所以你已經涵蓋了整個我們這個這個妨礙司法罪的相關的一個規定所以你已經有這麼好的草案所以我們的問題又回到說經過了11次的審查會議今年也開了兩次去年開了三次\n\n03:55.829 --> 04:22.412\n為什麼這部草案在行政院那邊會一直卡住出不來?包括委員這個就是成果這是很多專家學者慢慢會慢慢修所以委員剛才看到說這個很好啊這個就是這11次的成果這不是一進去就長這個樣子所以你這次的成果已經也就是說你現在已經修正的差不多了最後的版本已經差不多了\n\n04:23.152 --> 04:39.249\n也就是說剛才您回答這個審判會委員說這個星期五這個星期五行政院你們就已經把文字修正送到行政院了嘛行政院就會核定不是這樣嗎會寫那個司法院對然後是什麼情況請再說明清楚\n\n04:41.482 --> 05:06.578\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百\n\n05:09.580 --> 05:11.320\n三）委員羅智強等27人擬具〈中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案案〉案。\n\n05:31.809 --> 05:32.169\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n\n05:47.225 --> 06:07.354\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一\n\n06:08.607 --> 06:12.289\n三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期司法及法制委員會第37期\n\n06:27.073 --> 06:41.768\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一\n\n06:42.429 --> 06:58.290\n再可以刑責恐構成雙重處罰,不符而比例原則。」也有人認為說若逃獄的被告本身犯的是輕罪卻被加判棄跑潛逃罪有可能導致後罪大於全罪,不符比例原則。\n\n06:59.878 --> 07:13.610\n市長你贊成這樣的看法嗎這個我們之前他們在研討的時候有討論過不過我們還是為了維護司法的一個公正審判這個兩個是分開的不是市長我們現在純粹這個看法見解啊\n\n07:17.314 --> 07:40.656\n其實我提出我的見解給你看,你看這個是不是有道理。就是說你現在我們的很多的刑罰,我們除了就是說判有期徒刑以外,我們會並科罰金。所以你這個拒保潛逃罪,沒收他的金額,這對你就是一個罰金刑,然後再給他一個刑度,這怎麼會有什麼不符比例原則的規定呢?\n\n07:41.878 --> 07:55.330\n這就跟我們現在的刑法規定一樣啊給你罰金病科罰金就你拒保錢然後你那個金額我就給你沒收拒保券就給你沒收而且給你刑責所以這很OK的我不曉得是哪門子的學者的見解蠻奇怪的\n\n07:57.091 --> 08:00.492\n三）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法\n\n08:16.340 --> 08:34.069\n之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第四百六十一條之一及第七百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第\n\n08:35.390 --> 08:56.401\n三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百\n\n09:03.524 --> 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