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00:01:14,916\n那你看這樣的有效契約的涵蓋率以這個全國和六都來看這幾年確確實實是大幅提高啊以這個數據來看每個幾乎都是成長甚至是兩倍到三倍的狀況這個圖市長同意嗎是這個確實是大幅的提高好那你覺得呢我剛剛是說這是用有效政策獎勵政策來引導那你覺得主要的原因是什麼\n\n4\n00:01:15,496 --> 00:01:41,271\n我想整個的那個契約涵蓋率能夠提高最重要原因還是在於說政府我們修訂了住宅法之後我們讓大家有一個免稅額那也讓租屋市場比較透明化最重要的事情是房東他自己本身也不需要花很多精力去照顧因為我們包租代管業者這個產業非常成熟是好那可是這樣子來看啊你看這樣我們把六多六個直轄市一排排出來很明顯的雙北是最低的\n\n5\n00:01:42,071 --> 00:02:07,786\n就算我們一樣是在雙北也有成長喔可是成長的幅度不但不如其他的四都而且是在六都裡面明顯的是非常低的至少少了20%啊那所以你覺得你又怎麼看這個部分因為坦白講租屋市場最有需要的就是雙北地區啊所以我們覺得這個政策有效但雙北是低的那你現在有什麼解方\n\n6\n00:02:09,181 --> 00:02:37,739\n我想雙北地區的房價第一個他的房價跟他的那個租屋的市場的狀態可能有一些跟其他地方比起來比較不完整不完整的地方包括說他的居住環境空間可能使得房東他覺得他並不想要參與這樣的一個市場的登記或者是參與包租代管業的登記因為這個涉及到市場的房型等等所以他覺得說他透過其他的方式可以獲得\n\n7\n00:02:38,559 --> 00:02:59,079\n那另外一個當然就是說有效契約的涵蓋的狀況也來自於說整個包租代管業者他能介入的程度多少也就是說這個地方的租屋市場的需求量很大大到業者本身就是租屋出租人本身他不需要別人介入他自己就可以親手去看一個東西他就有人買那個要租\n\n8\n00:03:01,861 --> 00:03:11,485\n市長我覺得你這個回答非常的誠實而且誠意啦所以我把時間留給你讓你講完但是你用正面的語句描述了這樣的狀況我們也不得不承認這就是表示還有問題嘛表示還有問題\n\n9\n00:03:17,808 --> 00:03:46,872\n那所以在這樣還有問題的下面來講你看我從前面一開始先鼓勵你們說你們這個政策不錯有效引導所以提高很多但是接下來我就告訴你雙北還是有狀況好那所以我們的獎勵手段已經出鏡了嗎還有沒有更多的手段可以用呢還是如同今天我們要討論的我坦白講話鋒一轉就是到今天國民黨團或者是有委員提出的版本其實就是在胡蘿蔔用盡之後他現在要開始用棒子要拿出來了\n\n10\n00:03:47,392 --> 00:03:58,322\n二、審查委員牛煦庭等18人擬具:「租賃住宅市場發展及管理條例第三十四條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及第三十八條之二及\n\n11\n00:04:06,048 --> 00:04:26,228\n還有這支棒子也就是國民黨團他們提出來的版本這樣對我們的問題真的能夠解決嗎還是又產生了新的問題因為過去我們在講這個包租代管把合約拿出來或者是租金補貼的時候其實考量到很大的一部分除了行政實際上可不可行能不能夠\n\n12\n00:04:27,049 --> 00:04:30,390\n二、審查委員牛煦庭等18人發展及管理條例第三十四條、第三十八條之二條文修正草案案。二、審查委員牛煦庭等18人發展及管理條例第三十四條、第三十八條之二條文修正草案案。\n\n13\n00:04:50,899 --> 00:04:51,900\n租賃住宅市場發展及管理條例第三十四條\n\n14\n00:05:21,059 --> 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