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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:28,628\n二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六\n\n2\n00:00:29,042 --> 00:00:36,783\n那這是避免罪犯逃逸不受司法制裁改革第一理路那也是守護司法正義的第一理路\n\n3\n00:00:37,677 --> 00:01:06,815\n那去年詐欺案件發生將近三萬八千件超過八十八億這個詐損那雙雙創下中華民國歷史新高實際上民進黨執政八年這個台灣詐欺案成長1.8倍讓很多的國人家破人亡而詐騙集團的首腦幹部很多目前都藏身國外那利用網路通訊繼續遠端指揮嘛對不對事實上有這個情形嘛對不對知道是沒錯\n\n4\n00:01:07,515 --> 00:01:21,909\n所以現在逍遙法外的通緝犯有多少百分比涉犯的是詐欺罪你有掌握嗎我們目前只有通緝的罪名\n\n5\n00:01:24,189 --> 00:01:43,216\n三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n\n6\n00:01:44,316 --> 00:02:00,516\n根據刑事局統計目前有超過八萬名通緝犯登記在案其中有出境紀錄高達八千人有一半是在起訴後的審判或執行階段逃脫也對我們司法威信跟社會治安造成很嚴重的威脅\n\n7\n00:02:01,497 --> 00:02:19,446\n但現行法制規範是依法逮捕拘禁脫逃者有刑責但對據保責付限制住居限制出境出海的被告有逃逆行為的時候只能夠按照刑事訴訟法一百一十八條末路保證金並沒有刑責所以造成我們現在棄保潛逃者為數者眾\n\n8\n00:02:26,129 --> 00:02:53,365\n也傷害我們司法公正的信任度從此警政的單位也要耗費大量的人力去追捕棄保潛逃的通緝犯所以我們有參照美國的法制的棄保潛逃罪以及我們這個司法改革國是會在2017年的決議增加了這個第一段後項就是將棄保潛逃入罪來提高棄保潛逃的這個法律的嚇阻\n\n9\n00:02:54,346 --> 00:03:18,425\n那麼我要想問一下實際上今天我們討論的不管是妨礙司法公正棄保檢討的刑法修正案行政院從2019年11月到2024年3月已經召開11次審查會這麼漫長的時間仍在審議沒有通過院會提出院版我想請教部長到底是什麼原因院內的反對意見又是什麼\n\n10\n00:03:19,281 --> 00:03:41,788\n我不是院內的那個院裡面的長官反對不是因為棄保潛逃罪那他就是美國立法立的立法的概念那我們實體法是承襲歐美法系的有不正不自正擊罪的原則那這兩個比較不是很很相同的一個法理要結合在一起\n\n11\n00:03:42,308 --> 00:04:05,127\n之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n\n12\n00:04:08,209 --> 00:04:31,352\n所以我要特別講說事實上今天為什麼今天很欣慰有這第一理路的往前走就是因為過去事實上對於這個有關於棄保檢討的這個言議就只聞樓梯響不見人下來事實上我剛剛問的問題還不只是棄保檢討罪啦還有包括防害司法公證罪我就不太懂為什麼防害司法公證罪也一樣躺著不出來呢\n\n13\n00:04:32,435 --> 00:04:34,279\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n\n14\n00:04:43,503 --> 00:05:01,848\n實際上我沒有看到你們願版啊沒關係我跟你講我現在待會要問法案司法公正罪我先把那個棄保潛逃這部分問完像國保集團總裁朱國榮涉及重大經濟犯罪五億交保卻在去年九月棄保潛逃直到今年二月最高檢韓請北檢啟動廢紙註銷護照程序才註銷了朱國榮的護照\n\n15\n00:05:07,389 --> 00:05:26,722\n那我想請問一下這難怪其實很多人都講說今天沒有七寶潛逃罪啊七寶潛逃就是相對變相的付費逃亡反正有錢人他無所謂啊對不對你交保金就五億他也無所謂啊對不對因為尤其是像其他的包括榨汽飯那個榨汽金額更高的時候更無所謂\n\n16\n00:05:27,603 --> 00:05:46,547\n但是我就要從這個案例來問為什麼針對棄保潛逃的逃犯那通常是由檢查機關發函外交部依照護照條例來廢止逃犯逃犯的護照對不對那為什麼剛我講那個諸國人的案子這個經歷了半年之久花那麼長的時間從潛逃到註銷護照\n\n17\n00:05:52,261 --> 00:06:05,599\n通緝要不要護照從潛逃棄保潛逃到註銷護照大概將近半年的時間這個是由法院跟司法機關他是接到就會通知那個外交部\n\n18\n00:06:06,089 --> 00:06:30,973\n條文修正草案案案件決定是不是長談呢?我這樣講我覺得整個的那個注銷護照程序都要重新再檢討為什麼因為事實上應該要去有些配套就是說賦予法院主動注銷逃犯護照的權利然後同時減少行政機關冗長做因為事實上我們在偵辦犯罪也是分秒必爭對不對所以因此盡量的增加效率這是我今天\n\n19\n00:06:32,033 --> 00:06:51,785\n三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六\n\n20\n00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:24,707\n這個案子那個桃園地檢署都已經依法在偵辦我想這個是具體的個案我知道啦其實我昨天問那個黃次長他也沒辦法正面回答他只能回答他不知道啦因為你不是邱台山你不會知道啊對不對可是我今天要問的問題其實不是到底他有沒有他只有兩個結果嘛有跟沒有嘛對不對有沒有施壓跟沒有施壓嘛對不對\n\n21\n00:07:26,308 --> 00:07:48,580\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百\n\n22\n00:07:55,270 --> 00:07:56,612\n條文修正草案案案。\n\n23\n00:08:14,622 --> 00:08:35,765\n這就今天我為什麼要防害司法公正罪的緣故當然邱泰山在鄭文燦社攤有沒有施壓有沒有關說我不知道可是抱歉啊邱泰山也被認證了一個司法關說啊就他去關說這個這個桃園的檢察長對不對彭坤業然後施壓檢察官啊可是同樣的一個問題\n\n24\n00:08:37,126 --> 00:08:43,695\n這件事情請問在刑法上構成哪一個犯罪?他如果他今天施壓檢察官對這個檢察長去施壓檢察官犯什麼罪?\n\n25\n00:08:48,046 --> 00:09:07,840\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第五百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十\n\n26\n00:09:09,521 --> 00:09:21,869\n就是那個我們柯建民總召我把那個電話譯文念給你聽你看看這怎麼關說司法王金平院長說喂找你都沒人啦柯建民說我靜音啦下午有開啦王院長說喔這樣啦那個阿黃就陳守煌啦有打電話來啦柯建民說怎麼樣他說他跟我說那個姓林啦林秀濤啦檢察官啦\n\n27\n00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:56,903\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n\n28\n00:10:03,844 --> 00:10:08,848\n這叫柯建民去找王金平做司法官說啦,像法務部長曾永夫司法官說啦,然後再去關說今天承辦的檢察官啦,就是一個赤裸裸的司法官說,請問犯什麼罪?\n\n29\n00:10:28,442 --> 00:10:51,178\n我們委員問到的大概就是我們現在刑法目前規定的對無罪無罪真的我覺得很可悲到最後辦司法官所有這個檢察總長被判刑因為泄密被判刑結果所有這一串漏眾司法官所有人通通都沒事\n\n30\n00:10:52,895 --> 00:11:20,473\n因為我們的刑事我們的刑法我們的司法體制關說司法無罪就是最大的笑話我現在想要請問次長平民的老百姓有能力關說司法嗎還是法務部長比較有能力施壓司法誰有能力施壓司法一個開早餐店開計程車送快遞的平民百姓誰有能力關說司法\n\n31\n00:11:21,069 --> 00:11:47,988\n我覺得我覺得要關說司法很困難啊很困難我告訴你平民老百姓更困難我跟你講不要你說很困難啊我告訴你什麼叫冰山一角理論你知道吧你關法官關說司法就已經有案例在前啊邱泰山再加上我們今天柯建民案例斑斑啊但是為什麼今天像你講說很困難是你沒看到原因很簡單因為關說司法無罪反正也抓不到啊\n\n32\n00:11:48,869 --> 00:11:59,702\n今天就是要讓這些關稅司法攤在陽光下而且負罪加以刑責才能夠重振司法公信力啦是我同意好謝謝次長你的同意感謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t28628\t二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六\n29042\t36783\t那這是避免罪犯逃逸不受司法制裁改革第一理路那也是守護司法正義的第一理路\n37677\t66815\t那去年詐欺案件發生將近三萬八千件超過八十八億這個詐損那雙雙創下中華民國歷史新高實際上民進黨執政八年這個台灣詐欺案成長1.8倍讓很多的國人家破人亡而詐騙集團的首腦幹部很多目前都藏身國外那利用網路通訊繼續遠端指揮嘛 對不對事實上有這個情形嘛 對不對知道是沒錯\n67515\t81909\t所以現在逍遙法外的通緝犯有多少百分比涉犯的是詐欺罪你有掌握嗎我們目前只有通緝的罪名\n84189\t103216\t三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n104316\t120516\t根據刑事局統計目前有超過八萬名通緝犯登記在案其中有出境紀錄高達八千人有一半是在起訴後的審判或執行階段逃脫也對我們司法威信跟社會治安造成很嚴重的威脅\n121497\t139446\t但現行法制規範是依法逮捕拘禁脫逃者有刑責但對據保責付限制住居限制出境出海的被告有逃逆行為的時候只能夠按照刑事訴訟法一百一十八條末路保證金並沒有刑責所以造成我們現在棄保潛逃者為數者眾\n146129\t173365\t也傷害我們司法公正的信任度從此警政的單位也要耗費大量的人力去追捕棄保潛逃的通緝犯所以我們有參照美國的法制的棄保潛逃罪以及我們這個司法改革國是會在2017年的決議增加了這個第一段後項就是將棄保潛逃入罪來提高棄保潛逃的這個法律的嚇阻\n174346\t198425\t那麼我要想問一下實際上今天我們討論的不管是妨礙司法公正棄保檢討的刑法修正案行政院從2019年11月到2024年3月已經召開11次審查會這麼漫長的時間仍在審議沒有通過院會提出院版我想請教部長到底是什麼原因院內的反對意見又是什麼\n199281\t221788\t我不是院內的那個院裡面的長官反對不是因為棄保潛逃罪那他就是美國立法立的立法的概念那我們實體法是承襲歐美法系的有不正不自正擊罪的原則那這兩個比較不是很很相同的一個法理要結合在一起\n222308\t245127\t之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n248209\t271352\t所以我要特別講說事實上今天為什麼今天很欣慰有這第一理路的往前走就是因為過去事實上對於這個有關於棄保檢討的這個言議就只聞樓梯響不見人下來事實上我剛剛問的問題還不只是棄保檢討罪啦還有包括防害司法公證罪我就不太懂為什麼防害司法公證罪也一樣躺著不出來呢\n272435\t274279\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n283503\t301848\t實際上我沒有看到你們願版啊沒關係我跟你講我現在待會要問法案司法公正罪我先把那個棄保潛逃這部分問完像國保集團總裁朱國榮涉及重大經濟犯罪五億交保卻在去年九月棄保潛逃直到今年二月最高檢韓請北檢啟動廢紙註銷護照程序才註銷了朱國榮的護照\n307389\t326722\t那我想請問一下這難怪其實很多人都講說今天沒有七寶潛逃罪啊七寶潛逃就是相對變相的付費逃亡反正有錢人他無所謂啊對不對你交保金就五億他也無所謂啊對不對因為尤其是像其他的包括榨汽飯那個榨汽金額更高的時候更無所謂\n327603\t346547\t但是我就要從這個案例來問為什麼針對棄保潛逃的逃犯那通常是由檢查機關發函外交部依照護照條例來廢止逃犯逃犯的護照對不對那為什麼剛我講那個諸國人的案子這個經歷了半年之久花那麼長的時間從潛逃到註銷護照\n352261\t365599\t通緝要不要護照從潛逃棄保潛逃到註銷護照大概將近半年的時間這個是由法院跟司法機關他是接到就會通知那個外交部\n366089\t390973\t條文修正草案案案件 決定是不是長談呢?我這樣講我覺得整個的那個注銷護照程序都要重新再檢討為什麼因為事實上應該要去有些配套就是說賦予法院主動注銷逃犯護照的權利然後同時減少行政機關冗長做因為事實上我們在偵辦犯罪也是分秒必爭對不對所以因此盡量的增加效率這是我今天\n392033\t411785\t三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六\n421399\t444707\t這個案子那個桃園地檢署都已經依法在偵辦我想這個是具體的個案我知道啦其實我昨天問那個黃次長他也沒辦法正面回答他只能回答他不知道啦因為你不是邱台山你不會知道啊對不對可是我今天要問的問題其實不是到底他有沒有他只有兩個結果嘛有跟沒有嘛對不對有沒有施壓跟沒有施壓嘛對不對\n446308\t468580\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百\n475270\t476612\t條文修正草案案 案。\n494622\t515765\t這就今天我為什麼要防害司法公正罪的緣故當然邱泰山在鄭文燦社攤有沒有施壓有沒有關說我不知道可是抱歉啊邱泰山也被認證了一個司法關說啊就他去關說這個這個桃園的檢察長對不對彭坤業然後施壓檢察官啊可是同樣的一個問題\n517126\t523695\t這件事情請問在刑法上構成哪一個犯罪?他如果他今天施壓檢察官對這個檢察長去施壓檢察官犯什麼罪?\n528046\t547840\t三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第五百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十\n549521\t561869\t就是那個我們柯建民總召我把那個電話譯文念給你聽你看看這怎麼關說司法王金平院長說喂找你都沒人啦柯建民說我靜音啦下午有開啦王院長說喔這樣啦那個阿黃就陳守煌啦有打電話來啦柯建民說怎麼樣他說他跟我說那個姓林啦林秀濤啦檢察官啦\n576559\t596903\t之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n603844\t608848\t這叫柯建民去找王金平做司法官說啦,像法務部長曾永夫司法官說啦,然後再去關說今天承辦的檢察官啦,就是一個赤裸裸的司法官說,請問犯什麼罪?\n628442\t651178\t我們委員問到的大概就是我們現在刑法目前規定的對無罪無罪真的我覺得很可悲到最後辦司法官所有這個檢察總長被判刑因為泄密被判刑結果所有這一串漏眾司法官所有人通通都沒事\n652895\t680473\t因為我們的刑事我們的刑法我們的司法體制關說司法無罪就是最大的笑話我現在想要請問次長平民的老百姓有能力關說司法嗎還是法務部長比較有能力施壓司法誰有能力施壓司法一個開早餐店開計程車送快遞的平民百姓誰有能力關說司法\n681069\t707988\t我覺得我覺得要關說司法很困難啊很困難我告訴你平民老百姓更困難我跟你講不要你說很困難啊我告訴你什麼叫冰山一角理論你知道吧你關法官關說司法就已經有案例在前啊邱泰山再加上我們今天柯建民案例斑斑啊但是為什麼今天像你講說很困難是你沒看到原因很簡單因為關說司法無罪反正也抓不到啊\n708869\t719702\t今天就是要讓這些關稅司法攤在陽光下而且負罪加以刑責才能夠重振司法公信力啦是 我同意好 謝謝次長你的同意感謝 謝謝\n","txt":"二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六\n那這是避免罪犯逃逸不受司法制裁改革第一理路那也是守護司法正義的第一理路\n那去年詐欺案件發生將近三萬八千件超過八十八億這個詐損那雙雙創下中華民國歷史新高實際上民進黨執政八年這個台灣詐欺案成長1.8倍讓很多的國人家破人亡而詐騙集團的首腦幹部很多目前都藏身國外那利用網路通訊繼續遠端指揮嘛 對不對事實上有這個情形嘛 對不對知道是沒錯\n所以現在逍遙法外的通緝犯有多少百分比涉犯的是詐欺罪你有掌握嗎我們目前只有通緝的罪名\n三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n根據刑事局統計目前有超過八萬名通緝犯登記在案其中有出境紀錄高達八千人有一半是在起訴後的審判或執行階段逃脫也對我們司法威信跟社會治安造成很嚴重的威脅\n但現行法制規範是依法逮捕拘禁脫逃者有刑責但對據保責付限制住居限制出境出海的被告有逃逆行為的時候只能夠按照刑事訴訟法一百一十八條末路保證金並沒有刑責所以造成我們現在棄保潛逃者為數者眾\n也傷害我們司法公正的信任度從此警政的單位也要耗費大量的人力去追捕棄保潛逃的通緝犯所以我們有參照美國的法制的棄保潛逃罪以及我們這個司法改革國是會在2017年的決議增加了這個第一段後項就是將棄保潛逃入罪來提高棄保潛逃的這個法律的嚇阻\n那麼我要想問一下實際上今天我們討論的不管是妨礙司法公正棄保檢討的刑法修正案行政院從2019年11月到2024年3月已經召開11次審查會這麼漫長的時間仍在審議沒有通過院會提出院版我想請教部長到底是什麼原因院內的反對意見又是什麼\n我不是院內的那個院裡面的長官反對不是因為棄保潛逃罪那他就是美國立法立的立法的概念那我們實體法是承襲歐美法系的有不正不自正擊罪的原則那這兩個比較不是很很相同的一個法理要結合在一起\n之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n所以我要特別講說事實上今天為什麼今天很欣慰有這第一理路的往前走就是因為過去事實上對於這個有關於棄保檢討的這個言議就只聞樓梯響不見人下來事實上我剛剛問的問題還不只是棄保檢討罪啦還有包括防害司法公證罪我就不太懂為什麼防害司法公證罪也一樣躺著不出來呢\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n實際上我沒有看到你們願版啊沒關係我跟你講我現在待會要問法案司法公正罪我先把那個棄保潛逃這部分問完像國保集團總裁朱國榮涉及重大經濟犯罪五億交保卻在去年九月棄保潛逃直到今年二月最高檢韓請北檢啟動廢紙註銷護照程序才註銷了朱國榮的護照\n那我想請問一下這難怪其實很多人都講說今天沒有七寶潛逃罪啊七寶潛逃就是相對變相的付費逃亡反正有錢人他無所謂啊對不對你交保金就五億他也無所謂啊對不對因為尤其是像其他的包括榨汽飯那個榨汽金額更高的時候更無所謂\n但是我就要從這個案例來問為什麼針對棄保潛逃的逃犯那通常是由檢查機關發函外交部依照護照條例來廢止逃犯逃犯的護照對不對那為什麼剛我講那個諸國人的案子這個經歷了半年之久花那麼長的時間從潛逃到註銷護照\n通緝要不要護照從潛逃棄保潛逃到註銷護照大概將近半年的時間這個是由法院跟司法機關他是接到就會通知那個外交部\n條文修正草案案案件 決定是不是長談呢?我這樣講我覺得整個的那個注銷護照程序都要重新再檢討為什麼因為事實上應該要去有些配套就是說賦予法院主動注銷逃犯護照的權利然後同時減少行政機關冗長做因為事實上我們在偵辦犯罪也是分秒必爭對不對所以因此盡量的增加效率這是我今天\n三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六\n這個案子那個桃園地檢署都已經依法在偵辦我想這個是具體的個案我知道啦其實我昨天問那個黃次長他也沒辦法正面回答他只能回答他不知道啦因為你不是邱台山你不會知道啊對不對可是我今天要問的問題其實不是到底他有沒有他只有兩個結果嘛有跟沒有嘛對不對有沒有施壓跟沒有施壓嘛對不對\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百\n條文修正草案案 案。\n這就今天我為什麼要防害司法公正罪的緣故當然邱泰山在鄭文燦社攤有沒有施壓有沒有關說我不知道可是抱歉啊邱泰山也被認證了一個司法關說啊就他去關說這個這個桃園的檢察長對不對彭坤業然後施壓檢察官啊可是同樣的一個問題\n這件事情請問在刑法上構成哪一個犯罪?他如果他今天施壓檢察官對這個檢察長去施壓檢察官犯什麼罪?\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第五百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十\n就是那個我們柯建民總召我把那個電話譯文念給你聽你看看這怎麼關說司法王金平院長說喂找你都沒人啦柯建民說我靜音啦下午有開啦王院長說喔這樣啦那個阿黃就陳守煌啦有打電話來啦柯建民說怎麼樣他說他跟我說那個姓林啦林秀濤啦檢察官啦\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n這叫柯建民去找王金平做司法官說啦,像法務部長曾永夫司法官說啦,然後再去關說今天承辦的檢察官啦,就是一個赤裸裸的司法官說,請問犯什麼罪?\n我們委員問到的大概就是我們現在刑法目前規定的對無罪無罪真的我覺得很可悲到最後辦司法官所有這個檢察總長被判刑因為泄密被判刑結果所有這一串漏眾司法官所有人通通都沒事\n因為我們的刑事我們的刑法我們的司法體制關說司法無罪就是最大的笑話我現在想要請問次長平民的老百姓有能力關說司法嗎還是法務部長比較有能力施壓司法誰有能力施壓司法一個開早餐店開計程車送快遞的平民百姓誰有能力關說司法\n我覺得我覺得要關說司法很困難啊很困難我告訴你平民老百姓更困難我跟你講不要你說很困難啊我告訴你什麼叫冰山一角理論你知道吧你關法官關說司法就已經有案例在前啊邱泰山再加上我們今天柯建民案例斑斑啊但是為什麼今天像你講說很困難是你沒看到原因很簡單因為關說司法無罪反正也抓不到啊\n今天就是要讓這些關稅司法攤在陽光下而且負罪加以刑責才能夠重振司法公信力啦是 我同意好 謝謝次長你的同意感謝 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:28.628\n二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六\n\n00:29.042 --> 00:36.783\n那這是避免罪犯逃逸不受司法制裁改革第一理路那也是守護司法正義的第一理路\n\n00:37.677 --> 01:06.815\n那去年詐欺案件發生將近三萬八千件超過八十八億這個詐損那雙雙創下中華民國歷史新高實際上民進黨執政八年這個台灣詐欺案成長1.8倍讓很多的國人家破人亡而詐騙集團的首腦幹部很多目前都藏身國外那利用網路通訊繼續遠端指揮嘛對不對事實上有這個情形嘛對不對知道是沒錯\n\n01:07.515 --> 01:21.909\n所以現在逍遙法外的通緝犯有多少百分比涉犯的是詐欺罪你有掌握嗎我們目前只有通緝的罪名\n\n01:24.189 --> 01:43.216\n三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一\n\n01:44.316 --> 02:00.516\n根據刑事局統計目前有超過八萬名通緝犯登記在案其中有出境紀錄高達八千人有一半是在起訴後的審判或執行階段逃脫也對我們司法威信跟社會治安造成很嚴重的威脅\n\n02:01.497 --> 02:19.446\n但現行法制規範是依法逮捕拘禁脫逃者有刑責但對據保責付限制住居限制出境出海的被告有逃逆行為的時候只能夠按照刑事訴訟法一百一十八條末路保證金並沒有刑責所以造成我們現在棄保潛逃者為數者眾\n\n02:26.129 --> 02:53.365\n也傷害我們司法公正的信任度從此警政的單位也要耗費大量的人力去追捕棄保潛逃的通緝犯所以我們有參照美國的法制的棄保潛逃罪以及我們這個司法改革國是會在2017年的決議增加了這個第一段後項就是將棄保潛逃入罪來提高棄保潛逃的這個法律的嚇阻\n\n02:54.346 --> 03:18.425\n那麼我要想問一下實際上今天我們討論的不管是妨礙司法公正棄保檢討的刑法修正案行政院從2019年11月到2024年3月已經召開11次審查會這麼漫長的時間仍在審議沒有通過院會提出院版我想請教部長到底是什麼原因院內的反對意見又是什麼\n\n03:19.281 --> 03:41.788\n我不是院內的那個院裡面的長官反對不是因為棄保潛逃罪那他就是美國立法立的立法的概念那我們實體法是承襲歐美法系的有不正不自正擊罪的原則那這兩個比較不是很很相同的一個法理要結合在一起\n\n03:42.308 --> 04:05.127\n之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n\n04:08.209 --> 04:31.352\n所以我要特別講說事實上今天為什麼今天很欣慰有這第一理路的往前走就是因為過去事實上對於這個有關於棄保檢討的這個言議就只聞樓梯響不見人下來事實上我剛剛問的問題還不只是棄保檢討罪啦還有包括防害司法公證罪我就不太懂為什麼防害司法公證罪也一樣躺著不出來呢\n\n04:32.435 --> 04:34.279\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具\n\n04:43.503 --> 05:01.848\n實際上我沒有看到你們願版啊沒關係我跟你講我現在待會要問法案司法公正罪我先把那個棄保潛逃這部分問完像國保集團總裁朱國榮涉及重大經濟犯罪五億交保卻在去年九月棄保潛逃直到今年二月最高檢韓請北檢啟動廢紙註銷護照程序才註銷了朱國榮的護照\n\n05:07.389 --> 05:26.722\n那我想請問一下這難怪其實很多人都講說今天沒有七寶潛逃罪啊七寶潛逃就是相對變相的付費逃亡反正有錢人他無所謂啊對不對你交保金就五億他也無所謂啊對不對因為尤其是像其他的包括榨汽飯那個榨汽金額更高的時候更無所謂\n\n05:27.603 --> 05:46.547\n但是我就要從這個案例來問為什麼針對棄保潛逃的逃犯那通常是由檢查機關發函外交部依照護照條例來廢止逃犯逃犯的護照對不對那為什麼剛我講那個諸國人的案子這個經歷了半年之久花那麼長的時間從潛逃到註銷護照\n\n05:52.261 --> 06:05.599\n通緝要不要護照從潛逃棄保潛逃到註銷護照大概將近半年的時間這個是由法院跟司法機關他是接到就會通知那個外交部\n\n06:06.089 --> 06:30.973\n條文修正草案案案件決定是不是長談呢?我這樣講我覺得整個的那個注銷護照程序都要重新再檢討為什麼因為事實上應該要去有些配套就是說賦予法院主動注銷逃犯護照的權利然後同時減少行政機關冗長做因為事實上我們在偵辦犯罪也是分秒必爭對不對所以因此盡量的增加效率這是我今天\n\n06:32.033 --> 06:51.785\n三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六\n\n07:01.399 --> 07:24.707\n這個案子那個桃園地檢署都已經依法在偵辦我想這個是具體的個案我知道啦其實我昨天問那個黃次長他也沒辦法正面回答他只能回答他不知道啦因為你不是邱台山你不會知道啊對不對可是我今天要問的問題其實不是到底他有沒有他只有兩個結果嘛有跟沒有嘛對不對有沒有施壓跟沒有施壓嘛對不對\n\n07:26.308 --> 07:48.580\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百\n\n07:55.270 --> 07:56.612\n條文修正草案案案。\n\n08:14.622 --> 08:35.765\n這就今天我為什麼要防害司法公正罪的緣故當然邱泰山在鄭文燦社攤有沒有施壓有沒有關說我不知道可是抱歉啊邱泰山也被認證了一個司法關說啊就他去關說這個這個桃園的檢察長對不對彭坤業然後施壓檢察官啊可是同樣的一個問題\n\n08:37.126 --> 08:43.695\n這件事情請問在刑法上構成哪一個犯罪?他如果他今天施壓檢察官對這個檢察長去施壓檢察官犯什麼罪?\n\n08:48.046 --> 09:07.840\n三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第五百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十\n\n09:09.521 --> 09:21.869\n就是那個我們柯建民總召我把那個電話譯文念給你聽你看看這怎麼關說司法王金平院長說喂找你都沒人啦柯建民說我靜音啦下午有開啦王院長說喔這樣啦那個阿黃就陳守煌啦有打電話來啦柯建民說怎麼樣他說他跟我說那個姓林啦林秀濤啦檢察官啦\n\n09:36.559 --> 09:56.903\n之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三\n\n10:03.844 --> 10:08.848\n這叫柯建民去找王金平做司法官說啦,像法務部長曾永夫司法官說啦,然後再去關說今天承辦的檢察官啦,就是一個赤裸裸的司法官說,請問犯什麼罪?\n\n10:28.442 --> 10:51.178\n我們委員問到的大概就是我們現在刑法目前規定的對無罪無罪真的我覺得很可悲到最後辦司法官所有這個檢察總長被判刑因為泄密被判刑結果所有這一串漏眾司法官所有人通通都沒事\n\n10:52.895 --> 11:20.473\n因為我們的刑事我們的刑法我們的司法體制關說司法無罪就是最大的笑話我現在想要請問次長平民的老百姓有能力關說司法嗎還是法務部長比較有能力施壓司法誰有能力施壓司法一個開早餐店開計程車送快遞的平民百姓誰有能力關說司法\n\n11:21.069 --> 11:47.988\n我覺得我覺得要關說司法很困難啊很困難我告訴你平民老百姓更困難我跟你講不要你說很困難啊我告訴你什麼叫冰山一角理論你知道吧你關法官關說司法就已經有案例在前啊邱泰山再加上我們今天柯建民案例斑斑啊但是為什麼今天像你講說很困難是你沒看到原因很簡單因為關說司法無罪反正也抓不到啊\n\n11:48.869 --> 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