{"date":"2024-09-20","影片長度":"00:15:31","end_time":"2024-09-20T17:42:49+08:00","type":"Clip","url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154863","gazette":{"lineno":1304,"blocks":[["沈委員發惠：（17時27分）主席，有請卓院長。"],["主席：有請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：沈委員好。"],["沈委員發惠：院長午安。不好意思，我今天有點沙啞。"],["卓院長榮泰：沒關係，聽得懂。"],["沈委員發惠：你如果聽不清楚，你再跟我說一下。這個會期是我們賴總統跟卓院長上任之後的第一個預算會期……"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["沈委員發惠：所以今天的施政報告跟今天的總質詢我個人認為說是重中之重，因此今天早上院長在做施政報告的時候，我也非常詳細、仔細地來聆聽相關的口頭施政報告。事實上，如果院長還有印象，在7月總質詢的時候，本席有就亞洲資產管理中心的問題來就教於院長跟我們相關的部會。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["沈委員發惠：照我的印象，當時我質詢的時候是7月，那時候我們的彭主委有說，在8月20號要公布有關亞洲資產管理中心的全盤計畫，但是到今天已經9月20號了，我想瞭解目前資產管理中心相關計畫的進度。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，謝謝委員的關心，確實我們對外說明我們在第三個月的時候會公布這個，剛好那個時候因為行政院經濟發展委員會把亞洲資產管理中心納為計畫之一，因為9月3號他們要開第一次的顧問會議，所以我們把公布的時程延後到顧問會議，聽取顧問的意見以後，我們9月10號在金融研訓院舉辦了一整個下午的政策說明，除了把我們各個局裡面的相關政策對外說明，還邀集了……"],["沈委員發惠：有，我有看到9月10號你的那個相關報告。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，就是這個，是的。"],["沈委員發惠：等一下我會就這個內容來跟主委討論。事實上，今年3月8號陳建仁院長在的時候，我那時候就有針對亞洲資產管理中心的問題跟陳院長溝通。今年7月2號的總質詢，我也有在這裡提，那時候我主要提出來的，如果卓院長還有印象的話，大概就是說：第一個，彈性設立專責的單位；第二個是提供一個全英文的單一窗口；第三個就是鬆綁法規，擴大國內資產的管理規模；第四個就是從修正稅制來吸引相關的資本投入資產管理，大概是這幾個面向。我也要在這裡先表示肯定，因為我看了你們9月10號的時候所提出來的計畫，本席所建議的一些部分都有所採納，在這裡先給予肯定，但是這裡面也有幾個問題，我認為到現在為止，我個人還沒看到有解決，這個部分我等一下會請教卓院長，因為院長要在各部會之間進行協調，各部會如果對於一個政策的看法有所不同的話，應該是要由院長這邊來協調。","彭主委，你剛剛所提的，你們9月10號在出席金融研訓院主辦的「打造亞洲資產管理中心政策與產業高峰論壇」裡面，大概是你最完整地闡述亞洲資產管理中心的部分。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是的。"],["沈委員發惠：我看你們大概把整個具體計畫分成五大部分。事實上，今天早上我很仔細聽卓院長的施政報告，卓院長大概就是用兩個部分來總結亞洲資產管理中心。第一個，要留財。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對。"],["沈委員發惠：第二個，要引資。"],["彭主任委員金隆：引資。"],["沈委員發惠：留財，要把我們……"],["彭主任委員金隆：把民間的財富留在臺灣作資產管理。"],["沈委員發惠：對，把民間的財富留在臺灣。第二個就是要吸引外資，所以留財、引資大概是兩個重點。彭主委，你們所列出來的，包括壯大資產管理、普惠永續融合、財富管理促進，跟資金投入公共建設、擴大投資臺灣，大概這五大計畫。我想就卓院長所講的留財跟彭主委所講的普惠永續融合，這裡面我都看到到目前為止，好像我們政府單位在這部分彭主委所宣示的部分，跟其他相關的部會可能還有所扞格，就是在普惠永續計畫裡面，你有提到說要支持TISA，作為全民資產管理教育的推動，對不對？有關TISA的部分。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是的。"],["沈委員發惠：事實上，在學界、在金融界，大家也都認為要做金融管理中心，這個TISA絕對是非常關鍵的一步。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，現場顧問也這麼建議。"],["沈委員發惠：對，也就是卓院長所說「留財」裡面的一部分，就是你要讓我們國人擁有的資產，不要過度的儲蓄，你要讓它能夠出來做包括個人的退休規劃、退休理財，你都應該用這個方式來讓它能夠投入。"],["彭主任委員金隆：促進他對於個人資產管理的意識，以及增加我們金融市場的活力。"],["沈委員發惠：對，就是讓國人除了儲蓄以外，他有這種理財的意識，他能夠把自己的資金投入資產管理的市場，對不對？"],["彭主任委員金隆：是的。"],["沈委員發惠：但是我們要建置臺版的TISA，這個部分目前有遇到什麼樣的困難？請主委說明一下。"],["彭主任委員金隆：謝謝委員，主要是TISA我們在很多國家有看到類似的，但幾乎都不相同，比如日本這一套應該是看了英國2013年的制度，他們在2014年開始推出，在2024也做了改版，把額度大為提高，他們主要是針對股利跟資本利得免稅，但是比如臺灣，在過去我們臺灣的資本利得本來就不課稅，而且我們還有其他部分，所以我們這次的提案裡面是想針對投資扣除這樣的一個概念提出來。"],["沈委員發惠：這個部分我也要請財政部，是不是請財政部部長？","院長，事實上一直到上個月我們所看到的，有關於要建立臺版的TISA制度，裡面很重要的一個部分就是租稅的優惠，租稅制度改變才有辦法讓TISA能夠真正產生它的作用啦！但是我看到到上個月為止，我們財政部針對有關於TISA制度的設計，到目前為止，我看財政部的態度都是消極，而且是負面的，是不是這個狀況？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，有關TISA裡面涉及到租稅的部分，其實財政部已經整理了租稅相關的部分，譬如說是資本利得或者投資孳息所得的一些扣除，還有金融利息的一些扣除等等，現行在我們的所得稅制裡面已經有相對非常優惠的一個機制在裡面；而對於投資金額再給予扣除的話，跟所得稅制裡面是屬於你要維持基本生活的一個支出，才可以在所得稅制裡面扣除，基本上原則是有點相扞格的，所以我們會認為說各國在推動相關類似TISA、NISA等等……"],["沈委員發惠：我知道，部長……"],["莊部長翠雲：我們應該可以做一些稅制上的……"],["沈委員發惠：我可以幫你整理得更清楚啦！事實上以這個TISA制度，你提供一定的扣除額優惠、做稅制的改變，它一定是TISA的一個很重要精神，要不然大家幹麻去做TISA？我就把錢、退休金存在那裡就好，我幹麻要去做投資理財？就是我們必須要提供稅制的一些誘因，才能讓一般人把這些儲蓄拿出來作為投資理財嘛！","我看財政部大概有幾個意見，剛才部長講得很長，我看你們大概有四個反對的意見啦！第一個，你們認為說投資本金的性質上不是基本生活所需，也不是維持基本生活費用支出的性質，你們認為性質上不宜放入扣除額啦！就是本質、性質上你們就是認為不宜，這是第一點。第二點，你們認為說我們國家目前有關投資所得減免的這些措施，已經比外國還要優惠了，這是你們所提的第二點。第三點，按照證交所的一些統計，你們認為臺灣現在的股市、證券投資市場風氣已經非常熱絡了，不用再用稅制來鼓勵，這是你們的第三個理由。第四個理由，你們認為投資本金作為扣除額減免，對於本來無需繳稅的這個部分會形成不公平，基本上你們是這樣認為，而且認為有雙重所得稅優惠這樣子的疑慮啦！對不對？我剛剛整理這四點，是不是就你們……"],["莊部長翠雲：是、是、是，沒有錯，委員。"],["沈委員發惠：院長，那現在我就是要請教院長，現在我們金管會對於推動亞洲資產管理中心裡面的這個部分，他們認為TISA勢在必行，而且認為租稅制度的改變也是重中之重，財政部在基本的立場上面，剛剛我所講的這四點，財政部就不同意，認為說不必、不應該做租稅的改變啦！這部分是不是請院長做一個答復？"],["卓院長榮泰：我先跟委員報告，亞洲資產管理中心是經發會第一次會議的重要決定，那麼也會依序的往後推動，金管會也已經有進度了，包括9月10號，那麼我們在9月3號的顧問會議當中，顧問討論也非常熱烈。我認為租稅的優惠它是一種政策工具，甚至是一種手段，我們可以吸引更多的投資，但是當中也希望能夠考慮到整個社會的公平制度，我們不希望對某些人會有租稅特別的優惠，形成我們在公平制度上面的漏網，所以包括金管會的設計跟財政部的各項條件，我們都會再融合起來共同的討論。"],["沈委員發惠：這個部分在我看來，財政部跟金管會對於自己的看法跟主張都相當的堅持，而且目標清楚。"],["卓院長榮泰：請金管會回答。就是因為這樣，我們才要有一個經濟發展委員會……"],["沈委員發惠：所以我認為院長應該要在這個部分上來做協調……"],["卓院長榮泰：是，請彭主委談一下。"],["彭主任委員金隆：其實我們會支持這個案子也經過很多的考慮，因為過去這個建議已經提出非常多年，剛剛委員提到很多的比如說財政部過去的看法，以前它陸陸續續提出來過，確實是這樣，但是我們現在是建構在要打造資產管理中心，在整個大政策下面的時候，整個策略思維是完全不一樣的。所以我們在開始執行這個任務的時候，我跟莊部長有非常多次的溝通，而且都非常的良好，上次在劉政委的協調上面我們都有更進一步的去做溝通，我們會持續的按照這個目標，尊重他的專業……"],["沈委員發惠：好，主委，我引用我們金融界人士一句話，如果說臺版的TISA不做的話，所謂亞洲資產管理中心根本就是假的。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，我們一定要朝這個方向努力。"],["沈委員發惠：根本就是假的。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對。"],["沈委員發惠：你要做TISA，我們這些相關的租稅，你就必須要在租稅公平、賦稅公平跟……"],["卓院長榮泰：合理的規劃……"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，沒錯。"],["沈委員發惠：跟資產管理這兩個方面，要做一個合理的平衡……"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們會跟財政部一起來努力這件事情。"],["沈委員發惠：甚至應該要考慮到退休制度的永續……"],["彭主任委員金隆：對。"],["沈委員發惠：這個也必須要一併納入考量。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，確實我們也有看到，我們去跟交易所統計，其實現在……"],["沈委員發惠：好，我希望院長能夠就這部分來協調啦！因為你沒有這些租稅優惠的改變，這個TISA是假的；沒有TISA，亞洲資產管理中心是假的。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以我說我們需要這些政策工具，甚至是一種手段來吸引更多的投資，但當中公平分配的合理化……"],["沈委員發惠：好，院長，因為時間最後剩下不到一分鐘，我每次所提出一些建議，我希望我們能夠借鏡外國的經驗啦！第一個剛剛講說留財；第二個是引資，在引資的部分，日本他們最近做了一個「JAPAN 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00:01:39,885\n如果院長還有印象在7月的總質詢的時候本席有就亞洲資產管理中心的問題來就教於院長跟我們相關的部會照我的印象當時我質詢的時候是7月那時候我們的彭主委有說不好意思請彭主委\n\n5\n00:01:42,196 --> 00:01:42,296\n主席\n\n6\n00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:03,179\n主席\n\n7\n00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:43,347\n嚴厚到顧問會議聽取顧問的意見以後我們在9月10號在金融研訓院舉辦了一個一整天下午的政策說明除了把我們各個局裡面的相關的政策對外說明還有邀集了我有看到9月10號你的那個相關的報告那這個等一下我會就這個內容來跟主委來討論那這個\n\n8\n00:02:48,164 --> 00:02:59,555\n這個當然從事實上今年3月8號陳建仁院長的時候我那時候就有針對亞洲資產管理中心的問題有跟這個陳院長溝通那今年7月這個7月2號的總諮詢我也有在這裡提\n\n9\n00:03:02,967 --> 00:03:24,552\n那主要那時候我提出來的如果主委還有印象的話我那時候大概就是說第一個就是設立彈性設立這個專責的單位第二個是提供一個全英文的一個單一窗口第三個就是這個鬆綁法規擴大國內資產的管理的規模第四個就是說從修正稅制來這個來這個對這個\n\n10\n00:03:30,833 --> 00:03:54,045\n修正稅制來吸引相關的資本投入資產管理大概是這幾個面向那我也在這裡要先表示肯定因為我看你們9月10號的時候我們所提出來的這個計畫大概我本席所建議的一些部分都有所採納在這裡先給予肯定\n\n11\n00:03:54,445 --> 00:03:54,645\n委員長沈發惠\n\n12\n00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:33,142\n在9月10日出席金融原訓院主辦的打造亞洲資產管理中心政策跟產業的高峰論壇裡面大概是你最完整的闡述亞洲資產管理中心的一個\n\n13\n00:04:35,868 --> 00:04:55,437\n我看這個你大概把整個計畫分成5個大的部分事實上今天早上我很仔細聽昨院長的施政報告昨院長大概就是用兩個部分來總結亞洲資產管理中心就是說第一個要留財\n\n14\n00:04:56,638 --> 00:04:56,998\n委員長沈發惠\n\n15\n00:05:25,916 --> 00:05:28,446\n這個我想就是就這個主委員長所講的這個流財\n\n16\n00:05:30,595 --> 00:05:58,420\n跟這個我們這個彭主委所講的這個普惠永續融合這裡面我都看到一個到目前為止好像我們政府單位在這部分還這個我們我們這個這個彭主委所宣誓的部分跟我們其他相關的部會可能還有所焊隔的就是在我們這個普惠永續計畫裡面你有提到說要支持要支持TISA\n\n17\n00:05:59,722 --> 00:06:05,756\n作為全民資產管理教育的推動\n\n18\n00:06:11,993 --> 00:06:30,383\n實際上我們在學界在金融界大家也都認為說要做這個金融管理中心這個TISA絕對是非常關鍵的一個非常關鍵的一部現場顧問也這麼建議他也就是卓院長所說的流財裡面的一部分流財裡面的一部分就是你要讓這個我們\n\n19\n00:06:32,344 --> 00:06:32,484\n沈發惠\n\n20\n00:06:53,630 --> 00:07:02,445\n讓這個國人除了儲蓄以外他有這種理財的意識他能夠把這個資金把自己的這個資金投入這個資產管理的市場但是齁這個\n\n21\n00:07:07,421 --> 00:07:29,200\n目前我們建制我們要建制台版的TISA這個部分目前有遇到什麼樣的困難請主委這邊說明一下謝委員主要是TISA因為它我們在很多國家有看到類似但幾乎都不相同比如日本這一套應該是看了英國的2013年的制度他們在2014年開始推出他們在2024年也做了個改版\n\n22\n00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,181\n院長事實上一直到上個月我們所看到的\n\n23\n00:07:59,642 --> 00:08:18,612\n有關於這個我們這個要建立這個台版的TISA制度裡面很重要的一個部分就是租稅的優惠你租稅的這個租稅制度的改變你才有辦法讓這個TISA能夠真正的產生它的作用\n\n24\n00:08:19,707 --> 00:08:23,289\n跟委員報告有關TISA裡面涉及到租稅的部分其實財政部已經整理相關\n\n25\n00:08:44,096 --> 00:08:44,316\n沈發惠\n\n26\n00:08:59,711 --> 00:09:20,706\n而對於投資金額在可以扣除的話跟所得稅制裡面是屬於你要維持基本生活的一個支出才可以在所得稅制裡面扣除基本上是有點原則是相漢格的所以我們會認為說各國在推動相關的類似TISA、NISA等等的我們應該可以做一些稅制上的我可以幫你整理得更清楚\n\n27\n00:09:21,807 --> 00:09:50,678\n事實上提查制度提供一定的扣除額優惠做稅制的改變它一定是提查的重要精神要不然大家幹嘛去做提查我就把退休金存在那裡就好我幹嘛要去做投資理財我們必須要提供稅制的一些誘因才能讓一般人把這些儲蓄拿出來作為投資理財\n\n28\n00:09:52,196 --> 00:10:12,539\n那這個財政部我看財政部大概幾個意見這剛才部長講的很長大概我看你們這四個反對的意見第一個就是說你們認為說這個投資的本金他不是他的性質上他不是這個基本生活所需也不是維持基本生活費用支出\n\n29\n00:10:14,756 --> 00:10:30,222\n本質性質上不宜放入扣除額本質性質上你們認為不宜這是第一點第二點就是你們認為說我們國家目前的這個投資有關投資所得減免的這些措施已經比外國還要優惠了\n\n30\n00:10:31,401 --> 00:10:51,869\n這是你們所提的第二點那第三點是說你們這個按照這個證交所的一些統計你們認為台灣現在的台灣現在的這個這個股市齁證券投資市場風氣已經非常熱絡了不用再用稅制來鼓勵啦這是你們的第三個理由第四個理由是你們認為這個\n\n31\n00:10:53,650 --> 00:11:06,040\n投資本金作為扣除而減免你們認為這個對於本來無需繳稅的這些部分會形成不公平基本上你們是這樣認為而且認為說有雙重所得稅優惠的疑慮對不對我剛整理這四點是不是就你們\n\n32\n00:11:15,227 --> 00:11:42,796\n院長那現在我就是要請教院長現在我們金管會對於推動TESA對於推動這個這個亞洲資產管理中心裡面的這個部分他們認為這TESA勢在必行而且認為租稅的這個制度的改變也是重中之重那在我們財政部在基本的立場上面剛剛我所講的這四點財政部就不同意認為說不必\n\n33\n00:11:43,456 --> 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請彭主委\n102196\t102296\t主席\n122959\t123179\t主席\n143639\t163347\t嚴厚到顧問會議聽取顧問的意見以後我們在9月10號在金融研訓院舉辦了一個一整天下午的政策說明除了把我們各個局裡面的相關的政策對外說明還有邀集了我有看到9月10號你的那個相關的報告那這個等一下我會就這個內容來跟主委來討論那這個\n168164\t179555\t這個當然從事實上今年3月8號陳建仁院長的時候我那時候就有針對亞洲資產管理中心的問題有跟這個陳院長溝通那今年7月這個7月2號的總諮詢我也有在這裡提\n182967\t204552\t那主要那時候我提出來的如果主委還有印象的話我那時候大概就是說第一個就是設立彈性設立這個專責的單位第二個是提供一個全英文的一個單一窗口第三個就是這個鬆綁法規擴大國內資產的管理的規模第四個就是說從修正稅制來這個來這個對這個\n210833\t234045\t修正稅制來吸引相關的資本投入資產管理大概是這幾個面向那我也在這裡要先表示肯定因為我看你們9月10號的時候我們所提出來的這個計畫大概我本席所建議的一些部分都有所採納在這裡先給予肯定\n234445\t234645\t委員長沈發惠\n257358\t273142\t在9月10日出席金融原訓院主辦的打造亞洲資產管理中心政策跟產業的高峰論壇裡面大概是你最完整的闡述亞洲資產管理中心的一個\n275868\t295437\t我看這個你大概把整個計畫分成5個大的部分事實上今天早上我很仔細聽昨院長的施政報告昨院長大概就是用兩個部分來總結亞洲資產管理中心就是說第一個要留財\n296638\t296998\t委員長沈發惠\n325916\t328446\t這個我想就是就這個主委員長所講的這個流財\n330595\t358420\t跟這個我們這個彭主委所講的這個普惠永續融合這裡面我都看到一個到目前為止好像我們政府單位在這部分還這個我們我們這個這個彭主委所宣誓的部分跟我們其他相關的部會可能還有所焊隔的就是在我們這個普惠永續計畫裡面你有提到說要支持要支持TISA\n359722\t365756\t作為全民資產管理教育的推動\n371993\t390383\t實際上我們在學界在金融界大家也都認為說要做這個金融管理中心這個TISA絕對是非常關鍵的一個非常關鍵的一部現場顧問也這麼建議他也就是卓院長所說的流財裡面的一部分流財裡面的一部分就是你要讓這個我們\n392344\t392484\t沈發惠\n413630\t422445\t讓這個國人除了儲蓄以外他有這種理財的意識他能夠把這個資金把自己的這個資金投入這個資產管理的市場但是齁這個\n427421\t449200\t目前我們建制我們要建制台版的TISA這個部分目前有遇到什麼樣的困難請主委這邊說明一下謝委員主要是TISA因為它我們在很多國家有看到類似但幾乎都不相同比如日本這一套應該是看了英國的2013年的制度他們在2014年開始推出他們在2024年也做了個改版\n449680\t451181\t院長事實上一直到上個月我們所看到的\n479642\t498612\t有關於這個我們這個要建立這個台版的TISA制度裡面很重要的一個部分就是租稅的優惠你租稅的這個租稅制度的改變你才有辦法讓這個TISA能夠真正的產生它的作用\n499707\t503289\t跟委員報告有關TISA裡面涉及到租稅的部分其實財政部已經整理相關\n524096\t524316\t沈發惠\n539711\t560706\t而對於投資金額在可以扣除的話跟所得稅制裡面是屬於你要維持基本生活的一個支出才可以在所得稅制裡面扣除基本上是有點原則是相漢格的所以我們會認為說各國在推動相關的類似TISA、NISA等等的我們應該可以做一些稅制上的我可以幫你整理得更清楚\n561807\t590678\t事實上提查制度提供一定的扣除額優惠做稅制的改變它一定是提查的重要精神要不然大家幹嘛去做提查我就把退休金存在那裡就好我幹嘛要去做投資理財我們必須要提供稅制的一些誘因才能讓一般人把這些儲蓄拿出來作為投資理財\n592196\t612539\t那這個財政部我看財政部大概幾個意見這剛才部長講的很長大概我看你們這四個反對的意見第一個就是說你們認為說這個投資的本金他不是他的性質上他不是這個基本生活所需也不是維持基本生活費用支出\n614756\t630222\t本質性質上不宜放入扣除額本質性質上你們認為不宜這是第一點第二點就是你們認為說我們國家目前的這個投資有關投資所得減免的這些措施已經比外國還要優惠了\n631401\t651869\t這是你們所提的第二點那第三點是說你們這個按照這個證交所的一些統計你們認為台灣現在的台灣現在的這個這個股市齁證券投資市場風氣已經非常熱絡了不用再用稅制來鼓勵啦這是你們的第三個理由第四個理由是你們認為這個\n653650\t666040\t投資本金作為扣除而減免你們認為這個對於本來無需繳稅的這些部分會形成不公平基本上你們是這樣認為而且認為說有雙重所得稅優惠的疑慮對不對我剛整理這四點是不是就你們\n675227\t702796\t院長那現在我就是要請教院長現在我們金管會對於推動TESA對於推動這個這個亞洲資產管理中心裡面的這個部分他們認為這TESA勢在必行而且認為租稅的這個制度的改變也是重中之重那在我們財政部在基本的立場上面剛剛我所講的這四點財政部就不同意認為說不必\n703456\t724711\t不應該做租稅的改變這部分請院長是不是做一個答覆我先跟委員報告這個亞洲資產管理中心這是沈發惠第一次會議的重要決定那麼也會依序的往後推動那經管會也已經有進度了包括9月10號那麼我們在9月3號的顧問會議當中顧問討論也非常熱烈\n726912\t754514\t那我認為租稅的優惠他是一種政策工具甚至是一種手段我們可以吸引更多的投資但是當中也希望能夠考慮到整個社會的公平的制度我們不需要對某些個人會有特別的在租稅特別的優惠到形成我們在公平制度上面的漏網所以包括金管會的設計跟財政部他的各項的條件我們都會在\n755282\t756322\t其實我們會支持這個案子其實我們也經過很多的考慮因為\n785009\t785049\t沈發惠議員\n805973\t807153\t主委我引用金融界人士一句話\n825800\t852866\t如果說台版的TISA沒辦法不做的話所謂亞洲資產管理中心根本就是假的根本就是假的那你要做TISA我們這些相關的租稅你這必須要在租稅公平、付稅公平跟這個這個資產管理這兩個方面要做一個合理的平衡更甚至應該要考慮到更應該要考慮到退休制度的永續\n856046\t860887\t這個也必須要納入一併的考量沒有這些租稅優惠的改變這個TESA是假的沒有TESA亞洲自然管理中心是假的\n876670\t902437\t所以我說我們需要這些政策工具甚至是一種手段來吸引更多的投資但當中的公平分配這個合理化因為時間現在最後剩下不到1分鐘我想我這個除了我每次提出一些建議我希望說能夠我們借盡外國的這個經驗第一個剛剛講說流財第二個是影資在影資的部分日本他們事實上做了一個最近做了一個Japan Weeks\n903237\t903337\t沈發惠議員\n","txt":"主席 先有請卓院長請卓院長備詢委員長好委員長午安 抱歉我今天有點小聲你聽不清楚你再告訴我一下\n這個這個會期齁這個是我們賴總統跟卓院長齁這個上任之後第一個預算會期所以今天的這個施政報告跟今天的總質詢對我個人認為說是重中之重\n沈發惠\n如果院長還有印象在7月的總質詢的時候本席有就亞洲資產管理中心的問題來就教於院長跟我們相關的部會照我的印象當時我質詢的時候是7月那時候我們的彭主委有說不好意思 請彭主委\n主席\n主席\n嚴厚到顧問會議聽取顧問的意見以後我們在9月10號在金融研訓院舉辦了一個一整天下午的政策說明除了把我們各個局裡面的相關的政策對外說明還有邀集了我有看到9月10號你的那個相關的報告那這個等一下我會就這個內容來跟主委來討論那這個\n這個當然從事實上今年3月8號陳建仁院長的時候我那時候就有針對亞洲資產管理中心的問題有跟這個陳院長溝通那今年7月這個7月2號的總諮詢我也有在這裡提\n那主要那時候我提出來的如果主委還有印象的話我那時候大概就是說第一個就是設立彈性設立這個專責的單位第二個是提供一個全英文的一個單一窗口第三個就是這個鬆綁法規擴大國內資產的管理的規模第四個就是說從修正稅制來這個來這個對這個\n修正稅制來吸引相關的資本投入資產管理大概是這幾個面向那我也在這裡要先表示肯定因為我看你們9月10號的時候我們所提出來的這個計畫大概我本席所建議的一些部分都有所採納在這裡先給予肯定\n委員長沈發惠\n在9月10日出席金融原訓院主辦的打造亞洲資產管理中心政策跟產業的高峰論壇裡面大概是你最完整的闡述亞洲資產管理中心的一個\n我看這個你大概把整個計畫分成5個大的部分事實上今天早上我很仔細聽昨院長的施政報告昨院長大概就是用兩個部分來總結亞洲資產管理中心就是說第一個要留財\n委員長沈發惠\n這個我想就是就這個主委員長所講的這個流財\n跟這個我們這個彭主委所講的這個普惠永續融合這裡面我都看到一個到目前為止好像我們政府單位在這部分還這個我們我們這個這個彭主委所宣誓的部分跟我們其他相關的部會可能還有所焊隔的就是在我們這個普惠永續計畫裡面你有提到說要支持要支持TISA\n作為全民資產管理教育的推動\n實際上我們在學界在金融界大家也都認為說要做這個金融管理中心這個TISA絕對是非常關鍵的一個非常關鍵的一部現場顧問也這麼建議他也就是卓院長所說的流財裡面的一部分流財裡面的一部分就是你要讓這個我們\n沈發惠\n讓這個國人除了儲蓄以外他有這種理財的意識他能夠把這個資金把自己的這個資金投入這個資產管理的市場但是齁這個\n目前我們建制我們要建制台版的TISA這個部分目前有遇到什麼樣的困難請主委這邊說明一下謝委員主要是TISA因為它我們在很多國家有看到類似但幾乎都不相同比如日本這一套應該是看了英國的2013年的制度他們在2014年開始推出他們在2024年也做了個改版\n院長事實上一直到上個月我們所看到的\n有關於這個我們這個要建立這個台版的TISA制度裡面很重要的一個部分就是租稅的優惠你租稅的這個租稅制度的改變你才有辦法讓這個TISA能夠真正的產生它的作用\n跟委員報告有關TISA裡面涉及到租稅的部分其實財政部已經整理相關\n沈發惠\n而對於投資金額在可以扣除的話跟所得稅制裡面是屬於你要維持基本生活的一個支出才可以在所得稅制裡面扣除基本上是有點原則是相漢格的所以我們會認為說各國在推動相關的類似TISA、NISA等等的我們應該可以做一些稅制上的我可以幫你整理得更清楚\n事實上提查制度提供一定的扣除額優惠做稅制的改變它一定是提查的重要精神要不然大家幹嘛去做提查我就把退休金存在那裡就好我幹嘛要去做投資理財我們必須要提供稅制的一些誘因才能讓一般人把這些儲蓄拿出來作為投資理財\n那這個財政部我看財政部大概幾個意見這剛才部長講的很長大概我看你們這四個反對的意見第一個就是說你們認為說這個投資的本金他不是他的性質上他不是這個基本生活所需也不是維持基本生活費用支出\n本質性質上不宜放入扣除額本質性質上你們認為不宜這是第一點第二點就是你們認為說我們國家目前的這個投資有關投資所得減免的這些措施已經比外國還要優惠了\n這是你們所提的第二點那第三點是說你們這個按照這個證交所的一些統計你們認為台灣現在的台灣現在的這個這個股市齁證券投資市場風氣已經非常熱絡了不用再用稅制來鼓勵啦這是你們的第三個理由第四個理由是你們認為這個\n投資本金作為扣除而減免你們認為這個對於本來無需繳稅的這些部分會形成不公平基本上你們是這樣認為而且認為說有雙重所得稅優惠的疑慮對不對我剛整理這四點是不是就你們\n院長那現在我就是要請教院長現在我們金管會對於推動TESA對於推動這個這個亞洲資產管理中心裡面的這個部分他們認為這TESA勢在必行而且認為租稅的這個制度的改變也是重中之重那在我們財政部在基本的立場上面剛剛我所講的這四點財政部就不同意認為說不必\n不應該做租稅的改變這部分請院長是不是做一個答覆我先跟委員報告這個亞洲資產管理中心這是沈發惠第一次會議的重要決定那麼也會依序的往後推動那經管會也已經有進度了包括9月10號那麼我們在9月3號的顧問會議當中顧問討論也非常熱烈\n那我認為租稅的優惠他是一種政策工具甚至是一種手段我們可以吸引更多的投資但是當中也希望能夠考慮到整個社會的公平的制度我們不需要對某些個人會有特別的在租稅特別的優惠到形成我們在公平制度上面的漏網所以包括金管會的設計跟財政部他的各項的條件我們都會在\n其實我們會支持這個案子其實我們也經過很多的考慮因為\n沈發惠議員\n主委我引用金融界人士一句話\n如果說台版的TISA沒辦法不做的話所謂亞洲資產管理中心根本就是假的根本就是假的那你要做TISA我們這些相關的租稅你這必須要在租稅公平、付稅公平跟這個這個資產管理這兩個方面要做一個合理的平衡更甚至應該要考慮到更應該要考慮到退休制度的永續\n這個也必須要納入一併的考量沒有這些租稅優惠的改變這個TESA是假的沒有TESA亞洲自然管理中心是假的\n所以我說我們需要這些政策工具甚至是一種手段來吸引更多的投資但當中的公平分配這個合理化因為時間現在最後剩下不到1分鐘我想我這個除了我每次提出一些建議我希望說能夠我們借盡外國的這個經驗第一個剛剛講說流財第二個是影資在影資的部分日本他們事實上做了一個最近做了一個Japan Weeks\n沈發惠議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.215 --> 00:18.877\n主席先有請卓院長請卓院長備詢委員長好委員長午安抱歉我今天有點小聲你聽不清楚你再告訴我一下\n\n00:41.500 --> 00:56.768\n這個這個會期齁這個是我們賴總統跟卓院長齁這個上任之後第一個預算會期所以今天的這個施政報告跟今天的總質詢對我個人認為說是重中之重\n\n00:58.274 --> 00:58.454\n沈發惠\n\n01:15.154 --> 01:39.885\n如果院長還有印象在7月的總質詢的時候本席有就亞洲資產管理中心的問題來就教於院長跟我們相關的部會照我的印象當時我質詢的時候是7月那時候我們的彭主委有說不好意思請彭主委\n\n01:42.196 --> 01:42.296\n主席\n\n02:02.959 --> 02:03.179\n主席\n\n02:23.639 --> 02:43.347\n嚴厚到顧問會議聽取顧問的意見以後我們在9月10號在金融研訓院舉辦了一個一整天下午的政策說明除了把我們各個局裡面的相關的政策對外說明還有邀集了我有看到9月10號你的那個相關的報告那這個等一下我會就這個內容來跟主委來討論那這個\n\n02:48.164 --> 02:59.555\n這個當然從事實上今年3月8號陳建仁院長的時候我那時候就有針對亞洲資產管理中心的問題有跟這個陳院長溝通那今年7月這個7月2號的總諮詢我也有在這裡提\n\n03:02.967 --> 03:24.552\n那主要那時候我提出來的如果主委還有印象的話我那時候大概就是說第一個就是設立彈性設立這個專責的單位第二個是提供一個全英文的一個單一窗口第三個就是這個鬆綁法規擴大國內資產的管理的規模第四個就是說從修正稅制來這個來這個對這個\n\n03:30.833 --> 03:54.045\n修正稅制來吸引相關的資本投入資產管理大概是這幾個面向那我也在這裡要先表示肯定因為我看你們9月10號的時候我們所提出來的這個計畫大概我本席所建議的一些部分都有所採納在這裡先給予肯定\n\n03:54.445 --> 03:54.645\n委員長沈發惠\n\n04:17.358 --> 04:33.142\n在9月10日出席金融原訓院主辦的打造亞洲資產管理中心政策跟產業的高峰論壇裡面大概是你最完整的闡述亞洲資產管理中心的一個\n\n04:35.868 --> 04:55.437\n我看這個你大概把整個計畫分成5個大的部分事實上今天早上我很仔細聽昨院長的施政報告昨院長大概就是用兩個部分來總結亞洲資產管理中心就是說第一個要留財\n\n04:56.638 --> 04:56.998\n委員長沈發惠\n\n05:25.916 --> 05:28.446\n這個我想就是就這個主委員長所講的這個流財\n\n05:30.595 --> 05:58.420\n跟這個我們這個彭主委所講的這個普惠永續融合這裡面我都看到一個到目前為止好像我們政府單位在這部分還這個我們我們這個這個彭主委所宣誓的部分跟我們其他相關的部會可能還有所焊隔的就是在我們這個普惠永續計畫裡面你有提到說要支持要支持TISA\n\n05:59.722 --> 06:05.756\n作為全民資產管理教育的推動\n\n06:11.993 --> 06:30.383\n實際上我們在學界在金融界大家也都認為說要做這個金融管理中心這個TISA絕對是非常關鍵的一個非常關鍵的一部現場顧問也這麼建議他也就是卓院長所說的流財裡面的一部分流財裡面的一部分就是你要讓這個我們\n\n06:32.344 --> 06:32.484\n沈發惠\n\n06:53.630 --> 07:02.445\n讓這個國人除了儲蓄以外他有這種理財的意識他能夠把這個資金把自己的這個資金投入這個資產管理的市場但是齁這個\n\n07:07.421 --> 07:29.200\n目前我們建制我們要建制台版的TISA這個部分目前有遇到什麼樣的困難請主委這邊說明一下謝委員主要是TISA因為它我們在很多國家有看到類似但幾乎都不相同比如日本這一套應該是看了英國的2013年的制度他們在2014年開始推出他們在2024年也做了個改版\n\n07:29.680 --> 07:31.181\n院長事實上一直到上個月我們所看到的\n\n07:59.642 --> 08:18.612\n有關於這個我們這個要建立這個台版的TISA制度裡面很重要的一個部分就是租稅的優惠你租稅的這個租稅制度的改變你才有辦法讓這個TISA能夠真正的產生它的作用\n\n08:19.707 --> 08:23.289\n跟委員報告有關TISA裡面涉及到租稅的部分其實財政部已經整理相關\n\n08:44.096 --> 08:44.316\n沈發惠\n\n08:59.711 --> 09:20.706\n而對於投資金額在可以扣除的話跟所得稅制裡面是屬於你要維持基本生活的一個支出才可以在所得稅制裡面扣除基本上是有點原則是相漢格的所以我們會認為說各國在推動相關的類似TISA、NISA等等的我們應該可以做一些稅制上的我可以幫你整理得更清楚\n\n09:21.807 --> 09:50.678\n事實上提查制度提供一定的扣除額優惠做稅制的改變它一定是提查的重要精神要不然大家幹嘛去做提查我就把退休金存在那裡就好我幹嘛要去做投資理財我們必須要提供稅制的一些誘因才能讓一般人把這些儲蓄拿出來作為投資理財\n\n09:52.196 --> 10:12.539\n那這個財政部我看財政部大概幾個意見這剛才部長講的很長大概我看你們這四個反對的意見第一個就是說你們認為說這個投資的本金他不是他的性質上他不是這個基本生活所需也不是維持基本生活費用支出\n\n10:14.756 --> 10:30.222\n本質性質上不宜放入扣除額本質性質上你們認為不宜這是第一點第二點就是你們認為說我們國家目前的這個投資有關投資所得減免的這些措施已經比外國還要優惠了\n\n10:31.401 --> 10:51.869\n這是你們所提的第二點那第三點是說你們這個按照這個證交所的一些統計你們認為台灣現在的台灣現在的這個這個股市齁證券投資市場風氣已經非常熱絡了不用再用稅制來鼓勵啦這是你們的第三個理由第四個理由是你們認為這個\n\n10:53.650 --> 11:06.040\n投資本金作為扣除而減免你們認為這個對於本來無需繳稅的這些部分會形成不公平基本上你們是這樣認為而且認為說有雙重所得稅優惠的疑慮對不對我剛整理這四點是不是就你們\n\n11:15.227 --> 11:42.796\n院長那現在我就是要請教院長現在我們金管會對於推動TESA對於推動這個這個亞洲資產管理中心裡面的這個部分他們認為這TESA勢在必行而且認為租稅的這個制度的改變也是重中之重那在我們財政部在基本的立場上面剛剛我所講的這四點財政部就不同意認為說不必\n\n11:43.456 --> 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