{"date":"2024-09-24","影片長度":"00:15:47","end_time":"2024-09-24T09:47:55+08:00","type":"Clip","url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154865","gazette":{"lineno":224,"blocks":[["陳委員培瑜：（9時32分）好，謝謝院長。我們等一下卓院長喝水，好，那有請行政院院長，謝謝。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員培瑜：院長早安，針對3個跟兒少有關的議題快速跟您討論，第一個，我想要談的是3C，我想要先說3C是中性的，但是一旦過度的使用、不當的使用，對於非常多兒少造成的困擾，我相信在這幾年所有的行政機關還有包含院長你一定都相當的清楚。我們來看一下，但是可以怎麼樣對抗3C呢？我這裡想要試著提出一個解方，一個是用閱讀來對抗3C，關於這個我是有一些學理論證想要跟院長分享。來，請看下一頁，在非常多的社群網站隨便找就可以找到有非常多的老師跟家長在分享，孩子們過度使用3C會注意力不集中，而且這個注意力不集中會長時間的延續到在他入學以後開始學習學術相關科目，表現都非常的不好，甚至情緒也會不穩定。請看下一頁，我們來看一下相關的科學研究，其實從疫情前就開始有人在研究，到疫情後這幾年相關的研究絕對超過1,000篇，從左手邊這個大腦白質比較完整跟右手邊這個比較不完整的圖我們可以看到，過度使用3C、長時間使用3C、不當使用3C，孩子們的大腦發育會出現很大的問題，他在識字、認字、情緒控管會出現困難，這個是在學齡前，我們已經可以看得到證據。請看下一頁，如果時間用得更長，它會外顯到個人的行為表現，在學校裡面就會出現問題，他跟同學、跟老師之間也會有非常多的衝突。請看下一頁，另外，如果過度使用3C，他在語言、讀寫還有認知能力的測驗表現分數也會較低，這都是這幾年非常完整的研究，這是國外的研究。","我們來看下一頁，到了臺灣，我們從衛福部給我們的數字裡面可以看到3歲、4歲、5歲的現況，院長，你有發現嗎？年紀越小的小孩用3C的時間越來越長，這對認知、語言、社會、情緒、身體功能還有整體的認知發展都會有明顯的負面影響。請看下一頁，臺灣有人做了一個統計，這是師大受衛福部還是教育部的委託做了一個相關的研究，我們發現，從3個月開始，6個月、12個月，然後1歲半、2歲、3歲、4歲、5歲的孩子們在「親子共讀」綠色那一塊的比例都非常非常的低，但是看電視跟用3C的比例卻非常非常的高，我想這個已經充分的表現，全世界的孩子跟臺灣的孩子一樣都有3C過度使用的問題。但是我們要如何來面對這個問題呢？其實有很多臺灣的專家學者還有老師也提出短影音對孩子真的造成很大的衝擊，包含破壞了注意力、包含了破壞情緒的穩定、破壞了學術學習的能力。","那怎麼解呢？其實在所有的研究當中，包含國外跟臺灣的研究都告訴我們，要維持孩子的注意力、維持孩子的情緒穩定，除了良好的家庭教育跟陪伴品質，有一件事情成本很低，而且也很簡單，就是用閱讀，所以每一年都會有相關的單位包含師大，他們也都會召開記者會跟大家分享他們的研究報告，也告訴大家在閱讀這件事情上，其實政府可以做得更多。","我們來看看可以做哪些事情，閱讀到底可以造成什麼好處？這是一個最新的研究。院長你可以看一下，最左手邊那個大腦的活化比起最右邊那個是比較不活化的，不管在任何年紀，大腦它非常有趣，它並沒有一個專門管閱讀的區位，它必須要啟動非常多的區位共同工作，大腦才可以活化，去發揮閱讀可以產生的影響力，或者是產生任何的好處在自己身上。所以我來問一下，我們盤點過衛福部、文化部、教育部在孩子不同的年齡階段，其實都已經有給予一些些，我必須要說是一些些閱讀資源，但它是破碎的，而且它不是用國家統整的高度來面對這個議題。如果3C這件事情它真的很有可能是未來，或者是現在孩子們在一路成長的國安危機，我們政府單位還可以做哪些事情？","我這邊跟院長分享一下，衛福部在0到2歲有所謂的閱讀禮袋，從2歲開始到18歲有教育部的角色，有文化部的角色，所以我才會……感謝三位部長都已經站出來了。我想要問院長，您剛剛聽完之後，您認為3C焦慮造成國安危機這件事情是不是很嚴重？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員從這個角度對兒少的身心健康提出了這個提醒，我認為除了學校，家庭也是很重要的。"],["陳委員培瑜：是，沒錯。"],["卓院長榮泰：爸爸、媽媽跟小孩之間的互動，如果是用一個3C來減少互動，是為了比較安寧的話，也許這樣只對螢幕不對父母的現象會產生，所以學校、家庭都要進行很多認知上的改變才可以。"],["陳委員培瑜：沒錯、沒錯。"],["卓院長榮泰：我希望……"],["陳委員培瑜：這個部分三個部會……"],["卓院長榮泰：這幾個部會都能夠提出比方說，我們衛福部就有提出手機還我，小孩不哭等等之類一些情境的手冊出來，我希望各個方面也要從健康方面、文化方面、家庭生活方面能夠來持續做這些事情，做更多的投入。"],["陳委員培瑜：因為我的時間有限，我想要簡單提出用閱讀對抗3C，在各個部會盤點之下，除了現有我剛剛說的那些少少的預算、少少的事情之外，有沒有機會用國家的高度來面對3C這件事情是引入閱讀？在這個AI時代，因為我們是AI創新內閣，我也要講，下個月即將出版的一本中文書，但是我已經看過英文版，它裡面就提到AI世代，AI所能夠提供給我們的是知識，但不是智慧，唯有人類有智慧，而智慧才有辦法去辨別跟思考，還有批判所有來到我們面前的知識是不是正確的，所以我也想要拜託院長協同各個部會，在後續的閱讀政策上、閱讀資源上，可不可以以國家的高度統整三個部會，提出用閱讀對抗3C，還有協助爸爸、媽媽，像您剛剛說的，協助爸爸、媽媽跟協助老師共同去面對3C的困境。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，比方說，教育部也有提出一個新世代雙閱讀，就是鼓勵國中、國小能夠閱讀……"],["陳委員培瑜：有數位閱讀跟紙本閱讀。"],["卓院長榮泰：增加閱讀素養，我覺得這個是很長一段時間，或許我們在教育體系當中有所忽略，現在教育部已經提出了，是不是部長能夠簡單的、簡要地跟委員說明？"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員的關心。事實上，我們從2000年開始，教育部全面推動閱讀運動以來，我今年剛上任……"],["陳委員培瑜：等一下，對不起，部長，因為我時間有限，我們可不可以後續再跟你們討論？因為我對閱讀非常熟悉……"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["陳委員培瑜：所以我已經研究過……"],["卓院長榮泰：就是一個重點啦！"],["鄭部長英耀：我簡單地跟委員報告，我們現在也鼓勵中小學所有的圖書館搬到一樓，它是連星期六、日都開放，然後我們也大量的補助許多圖書，然後鼓勵親師伴讀的老師。"],["陳委員培瑜：我知道、我知道，去年國教法修法提出要有購書預算、要有國家來支持入法，就是我所提出的，所以我非常的清楚，所以我是不是在時間有限的情況下，可以持續拜託行政院跟三個部會，我們辦公室會持續跟大家溝通，在閱讀導入學校或者是協助家庭教育的部分，我們一起努力，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，有一個重點，雙閱讀就是紙本跟數位。"],["陳委員培瑜：數位，沒錯。"],["卓院長榮泰：都必須要重視，因為這是一個工具。"],["陳委員培瑜：沒錯。"],["卓院長榮泰：紙本那是一個互動之間的，那也是增加學生閱讀素養的工作，數位也不能夠放棄，我們會雙向來進行。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，謝謝三位部長，也謝謝院長。","我們來看下一題，另外一個也是困境，是兒少的困境，就在普特融合的部分，普特融合當然是一個非常重要的回應這個時代的理念，問題是現場有非常多的困境，我想我要讓院長知道。在修法之後，其實相關的子法都已經盤點完，而且也陸續修法完成，可是我們看到還是有些困境，第一個是老師相關專業知能研習，這部分其實還沒有跟上腳步；再來就是關於學生合理調整指引的部分其實也還不夠；還有之前在教育及文化委員會質詢的時候，我也拜託過部長，分散式資源班共用教室，甚至共同分攤導師費的部分，其實對於現場的老師教學都非常不利，之前有跟部長討論過，部長有說會帶回去研議，可是我們目前還沒有看到進度；還有在師生比的部分其實有很大的困境，尤其在特教的部分，當時修法的時候雖然說是一比八，可是後來教育部做出了一比十、一比八、一比十五，其實都跟現場的想像有非常多的落差；再來是這個暑假才剛發生的事情，有縣市政府要求特教老師要額外，我說的是額外，在IEP以外還要額外做課程計畫，這對於在教學現場行政量已經非常重的特教老師來說，其實都帶來很大的困境，我們辦公室甚至拜託國教署跟地方政府一起來開協調會，解決地方政府到底認知上出了什麼問題。我想要講這麼多問題，我當然會說教育部跟國教署真的在普特融合方面已經很努力了，可是在現場的落實跟政策，真的還是要拜託院長給教育部更多的資源，讓教育部有機會跟國教署共同協助地方政府，無論在補足人力也好，在空間的調整也好，在相關費用也好，真的都可以讓普生、特生、普師、特師共同有感，因為我們是一個普特融合的現場。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員，感謝委員長期關注普特融合的教育，那也是一個國際趨勢，我們確實也在明年的預算裡面增列了一些經費，總共編列了二十五億四千多萬，誠如陳委員剛才所提的，主要就是希望能夠降低資源班的師生比，也能夠提供許多普特融合教師的增能，包括強化普特融合、無障礙環境的改善，我們總是希望特教一方面能夠支持更多有特殊需求的學生能夠在普通班的教室裡學習，也希望能夠透過更多的支持，讓普通班的老師能夠增能，協助特教學生在普通班有更好的一些發展。我想這一個方向是我們一直在努力的。"],["陳委員培瑜：後續這個部分，我們也會跟教育部、國教署持續保持聯絡，協助現場更多老師跟家長，好嗎？也謝謝院長的支持，謝謝部長。","接下來一題要談的是臺灣即將升格的體育暨運動發展部，前兩天周思齊引退，我雖然沒有到現場，但是我有看愛爾達的轉播，其中有講到一段，我非常的有感，他說你們大家還記得臺北棒球場嗎？那就是大巨蛋的前身，很多人可能不知道它的原址在哪裡，就是現在的小巨蛋，而那個地方承載了很多的記憶，後來臺北市長已經承諾會協助立一個碑，可是我認為這件事情應該不是只有地方政府的事情，其實我相信在院長心中，一定也對這樣的事情很有感觸，所以，是不是可以拜託體育署，在體育記憶文化傳承的部分，我們不要只是立一個碑，因為周思齊身為一個選手，他談的是這個事情，但是站在國家的高度，如何協助記憶臺灣的運動文化，不要讓它流失，甚至有非常多的文物，現在體育署只有做數位典藏，但是一般人很無感，甚至不知道。對於運動文化記憶的傳承，我想要拜託行政院持續努力。","因為時間有限，我先講，他在那一天引退時講了一段話，他說如果你們在牌桌上看到小兄弟，拜託不要拍照，但是請去告訴他們：「我們回去練球，好嗎？」他在講的是大家共同的職棒賭博的記憶，我相信院長一定也印象深刻，在1990年代，當年球場只剩下101個人，花了25年的時間，臺灣的球場總算回到了4萬人，院長，我要跟你說，到目前為止，體育署本來應該要開的職棒防賭會議，到現在一場都還沒有開，已經快要年底了。我要講的是，在相關的條例裡面，我們也提出，我們希望有防賭會議的落實，我們希望有防賭信託的支持，我們希望有法治教育的深化，如果有這些支持，我們的選手就不用成為被賭博的工具，他們甚至可以不用被黑道威脅。在那個時代的記憶走到現在，周思齊還有今年引退的3位選手，包含官大元、高國慶都談了相關的問題，這個部分要拜託院長在新的部會裡面要積極落實。","最後一個就是全新跟全民的運動發展部，我昨天在副院長的臉書也有看到您提出了全新的思維，甚至相關的會議，我們也看到行政院非常有誠意邀請了體壇大老、運動員球員工會、帕運、新興運動還有所有的產業代表，所以我相信絕對是一個新的思維。但是在過去的框架裡面如何把新的思維放進去，我相信絕對是後續行政的挑戰。","最後，我們來看一張很可愛的照片，院長，你記得這張照片嗎？院長，我想要問你看得出來裡面哪些是俱樂部的小孩，哪些是學校體育班的小孩嗎？應該看不出來，對不對？對，我也是看不出來，但是對我們來說，他們就是臺灣孩子，他們就是臺灣的兒少。我想要談目前的規劃裡面，我看不到兒少運動司，我們之前一直在跟體育署開會，可不可以提出一個以兒少為主體政策去思考的兒少運動司，不要侷限在社區俱樂部，也不要只侷限在學校的體育班，不要只侷限在校隊，如何把這個事情擴大到兒少運動司，我覺得是有機會，而且也想要拜託行政院去思考這個議題。甚至我想要再次提出兒少教練證，還是有非常多教練對於兒少的基本認識非常不足，他可能只有運動相關專業的認知，但是他並沒有兒少的認知，所以我也想要在以兒少為主體的情況下，拜託行政院提出相關規劃。","以上四個議題，關於運動的部分，可不可以請院長快速回應一下？謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的關心跟深入，我會請我們體育暨運動發展部院內的籌備小組龔明鑫秘書長，以及諮詢小組的召集人鄭麗君副院長，再請委員能夠把這些資料，我們把它納到相關的討論會議當中，我覺得都非常有它的意義，臺灣不僅要有棒球的紀念，圓山足球場我也很懷念。"],["陳委員培瑜：是，沒錯。最後還有20秒，我只講一個標題就好了，我們之後會再跟教育部討論。會考制度已經實施十年了，有非常多的事情其實需要重新盤點和討論，這個部分我想部長一定也會表達關心，是不是後續我們還有機會再開持續深入的會議來討論關於會考制度造成的一些問題？部長點頭。"],["鄭部長英耀：當然。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，那我們就先謝謝部長，後續我們會持續討論，也謝謝院長。謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳培瑜委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第10號羅智強委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":322,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-1","speakers":["韓國瑜","張啓楷","陳培瑜","羅智強","林國成","陳瑩","洪孟楷","黃秀芳","謝龍介","李柏毅","賴士葆","許智傑","黃健豪","陳素月"],"page_start":233,"meetingDate":["2024-09-24"],"gazette_id":"1137501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137501_00003","1137501_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第1次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n行政院院長施政報告並備質詢─ 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00:00:10,789\n請培瑜\n\n2\n00:00:29,052 --> 00:00:52,764\n陳委員好院長早安三個跟兒少有關的議題快速跟您討論第一個我想要談的是3C我想要先說3C是中性的但是一旦過度的使用不當的使用對於非常多兒少造成的困擾我相信這幾年所有的行政機關還有包含院長您一定都相當的清楚我們來看一下但是可以怎麼樣對抗3C呢我這裡想要試著提出一個解方\n\n3\n00:00:54,042 --> 00:01:20,955\n一個是用閱讀來對抗3C但是這個我是有一些學理論證想要跟院長分享來下一頁在非常多的社群網站都可以隨便找就可以找到有非常多的老師跟家長在分享孩子們過度使用3C會注意力不集中而且這個注意力不集中會長時間的延續到他他入學以後開始學習學術相關科目表現都非常的不好甚至情緒也會不穩定下一頁\n\n4\n00:01:22,202 --> 00:01:45,712\n我們來看一下相關的科學研究其實從疫情前就開始有人在研究到疫情後這幾年相關的研究絕對超過1000篇以左手邊這個大腦白紙比較文展跟右手邊這個比較不完整可以看到過度使用3C長時間使用3C不當使用3C孩子們的大腦發育會出現很大的問題他在識字認知情緒控管會出現困難這個是學齡前我們已經可以看到證據下一頁\n\n5\n00:01:47,956 --> 00:02:10,138\n如果時間用得更長,他會外顯到個人的行為表現,在學校裡面就會出現了問題,他跟同學跟老師之間也會有非常多的衝突。另外,如果過度使用3C,他在語言讀寫還有認知能力的測驗表現分數也會較低。這都是這幾年非常完整的研究,這是國外的研究,我們來看下一頁。\n\n6\n00:02:11,374 --> 00:02:27,342\n到了臺灣我們發現從衛福部給我們的數字裡面可以看到3歲4歲5歲院長你有發現嗎年紀越小的小孩用3C的時間越來越長喔那這都會對認知語言社會情緒身體功能還有整體的認知發展都會有明顯的負面影響下一頁\n\n7\n00:02:29,738 --> 00:02:56,006\n台灣做了一個統計這個是施大跟受了衛福部還是教育部的委託做了一個相關的研究我們發現從3個月開始6個月12個月然後1歲半2歲3歲4歲5歲孩子們親子共讀綠色那一塊都非常非常的低但是看電視跟用3C的比例卻非常非常的高我想這個已經充分的表現全世界的孩子跟台灣的孩子一樣都有3C過度使用的問題好下一頁\n\n8\n00:02:56,886 --> 00:02:56,966\n下一頁\n\n9\n00:03:12,628 --> 00:03:28,477\n那怎麼解呢其實在所有的研究當中包含國外跟台灣的研究都告訴我們要維持孩子的注意力維持孩子的情緒穩定除了良好的家庭教育跟陪伴品質有一件事情成本很低而且也很簡單就是用閱讀\n\n10\n00:03:29,557 --> 00:03:46,409\n所以每一年都會有相關的單位包含師大他們也都會召開記者會跟大家分享他們的研究報告也告訴大家在閱讀這件事情上其實政府可以做的更多我們來看看可以做哪些事情閱讀到底可以造成什麼好處這是一個最新的研究\n\n11\n00:03:47,470 --> 00:03:48,451\n所以我來問一下其實我們盤點過\n\n12\n00:04:12,891 --> 00:04:29,448\n衛福部、文化部、教育部在孩子不同的年齡階段其實都已經有給予一些些我必須要說是一些些閱讀資源但是它是破碎的而且它不是用國家統整的高度來面對這個議題那如果3C這件事情它真的很有可能是未來\n\n13\n00:04:30,089 --> 00:04:54,900\n或者是現在孩子們在一路成長的國安危機我們政府單位還可以做哪些事情我這邊跟院長分享一下衛福部在0到2歲有所謂的閱讀禮帶從2歲開始到18歲有教育部的角色有文化部的角色所以我才會感謝三位部長感謝三位部長都已經站出來了我想要問院長院長你剛剛聽完之後您認為3C焦慮造成國安危機這件事情是不是很嚴重\n\n14\n00:04:56,489 --> 00:05:20,887\n謝謝委員從這個角度對我們兒少的身心健康提出了這個提醒我認為除了學校家庭也是很重要的爸爸媽媽跟小孩之間的互動如果是用一個3C來減少互動是為了比較安寧的話那也許這樣的只對螢幕不對父母的現象會產生所以學校家庭都要進行很多的一個\n\n15\n00:05:22,208 --> 00:05:23,029\n﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚\n\n16\n00:05:43,547 --> 00:05:57,780\n我這邊有想要因為我的時間有限我想要簡單提出用閱讀對抗3C在各個部會盤點之下除了現有我剛說的那些少少的預算少少的事情之外有沒有機會用國家的高度來面對3C這件事情是引入閱讀\n\n17\n00:05:58,841 --> 00:06:27,873\n在這個AI時代因為我們是AI創新內閣我也要講下個月即將出版的一本中文書但是我已經看過英文版它裡面就在提到AI時代AI所能夠提供給我們的是知識但不是智慧唯有人類有智慧而智慧才有辦法去辨別跟思考還有批判所有來到我們面前的知識是不是正確的所以我也想要拜託院長協同各個部會在後續的閱讀政策上閱讀資源上可不可以以國家的高度統整三個部會\n\n18\n00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:52,411\n提出用閱讀對抗3C還有協助爸爸媽媽您剛剛說的協助爸爸媽媽跟協助老師共同去面對3C的困境是比方說教育部也有提出一個新世代雙閱讀就鼓勵有數位閱讀跟紙本閱讀增加閱讀素養我覺得這個是很長一段時間我們在教育體系當中有所忽略或許那現在教育部已經提出了是不是能夠簡單的簡要的跟\n\n19\n00:06:55,353 --> 00:07:20,934\n謝謝委員的一個關心事實上我們從2000年開始這個全面教育部在推動這個閱讀運動以來那我今年剛上任但是等一下對不起部長因為我時間有限我們可不可以後續再跟你們討論我因為對閱讀非常熟悉所以我已經研究過了我簡單的跟委員報告就是說我們現在也鼓勵中小學所有的圖書館搬到一樓然後他是\n\n20\n00:07:21,815 --> 00:07:24,716\n在閱讀導入學校或者是協助家庭教育的部分我們一起努力\n\n21\n00:07:49,466 --> 00:07:54,411\n我們來看下一題喔另外一個也是困境也是兒少的困境就在普特融合的部分喔普特融合當然是一個非常重要的回應\n\n22\n00:08:15,131 --> 00:08:19,436\n這個時代的理念但是問題現場非常多的困境我想我要讓院長知道來第一個\n\n23\n00:08:21,283 --> 00:08:49,610\n在修法之後其實有相關的執法都已經盤點完而且也陸續修法完成可是我們看到還是有一些困境來下一頁第一個是老師的相關專業知能研習這個部分其實還沒有跟上腳步再來就是關於學生合理調整執營的部分其實也還不夠我們來看下一頁還有之前在教育文化委員會質詢的時候我也拜託過部長在分散式資源班他們共用教室甚至共同分攤導師費的部分其實對於現場的老師教學都非常的不利之前有跟部長討論過\n\n24\n00:08:50,610 --> 00:09:12,216\n部長說會帶回去研議可是我目前還沒有看到進度還有在施生筆的部分其實也有很大的困境尤其在特教的部分當時雖然修法的時候說是1比8可是後來教育部做出了1比101比81比15其實都跟我們現場的想像有非常多的落差再來下一個這個暑假才剛剛發生的事情有縣市政府要求特教老師要額外\n\n25\n00:09:14,116 --> 00:09:39,547\n在IEP以外還要額外做課程計劃這對於在教學現場行政量已經非常重的特教老師其實都帶很大的困境我們辦公室甚至拜託國教署跟地方政府一起來開協調會來解決地方政府到底認知上出了什麼問題我想要講這麼多問題我當然會說教育部跟國教署真的在普特融合已經很努力了可是在很多現場的落實跟政策真的還是要拜託院長\n\n26\n00:09:40,727 --> 00:09:41,008\n培瑜委員\n\n27\n00:09:59,515 --> 00:10:14,936\n謝謝委員我想感謝委員長期對這個普特融合的這個教育那也是一個國際歧視那確實我們在明年的預算裡面也增列了一些經費我們總共編列了25億多25億4千多萬主要就是希望\n\n28\n00:10:15,436 --> 00:10:30,266\n能夠陳委員剛才所提的我們也希望在這個支援班裡面能夠降低這個施政比也能夠提供許多的這些普特融合教師的增能包括強化這個普特融合的等等包括\n\n29\n00:10:31,147 --> 00:10:31,327\n﹚陳培瑜﹚\n\n30\n00:11:01,189 --> 00:11:01,710\n前兩天周思齊引退\n\n31\n00:11:20,572 --> 00:11:20,712\n培瑜\n\n32\n00:11:35,688 --> 00:12:02,337\n已經承諾所謂協助立一個杯可是我認為這件事情應該不會只有地方政府的事情其實我相信在院長您的心中一定也對這樣的事情很有感觸所以是不是可以拜託體育署在所謂體育記憶文化傳承的部分我們不要只是立一個杯因為周思齊他身為一個選手他談的是這個事情但是用國家的高度如何協助記憶台灣的運動文化不要讓它流失甚至有非常多的文物\n\n33\n00:12:03,057 --> 00:12:25,921\n現在體育署只有做數位典藏但是一般人很沒有感甚至不知道我想這個運動文化記憶的傳承想要拜託行政院持續努力再來我時間有限我先講再來關於他在那一天的引退他講了一段話他說如果你們在牌桌上看到小兄弟拜託不要拍照但是請去告訴他們我們回去練球好嗎他在講的是大家共同的\n\n34\n00:12:26,421 --> 00:12:46,487\n直磅賭博的記憶我相信院長你一定也印象深刻當年球場只剩下101個人在1999年花了25年的時間台灣球場總算回到了4萬人院長我要跟你說到目前為止體育署本來應該要開的直磅防堵會議到現在一場都還沒有開已經快要年底了我要講的是\n\n35\n00:12:47,347 --> 00:13:12,982\n在相關的條例裡面我們也提出我們希望有防堵會議的落實我們希望有防堵信託的支持我們希望有法治教育的深化如果有這些支持我們的選手就不用成為被賭博的工具他們甚至可以不用被黑道威脅在那個時代的記憶走到現在周思齊還有今年隱退的三位選手包含關大元高國慶都談了相關的問題這個部分要拜託院長在新的部會裡面要積極的落實\n\n36\n00:13:14,483 --> 00:13:43,462\n最後一個就是全新跟全民的運動發展部我昨天在副院長的臉書也有看到您提出了全新的思維甚至相關的會議我們也看到行政院非常有誠意邀請了體談大佬、運動員、球員工會、帕運、新興運動還有所有的產業代表所以我相信絕對是一個新的思維但是在過去的框架裡面如何把新的思維放進去我相信絕對是後續行政的挑戰最後一個我們來看一下一個很可愛的照片院長你記得這張照片嗎\n\n37\n00:13:44,864 --> 00:14:05,486\n院長我想要問你看得出來裡面哪些是俱樂部的小孩哪些是學校體育班的小孩嗎應該看不出來對不對對我想我也是看不出來但是對我們來說他們就是台灣孩子他們就是台灣的兒少我想要談目前的規劃裡面我看不到兒少運動司我們之前一直在跟體育署開會可不可以提出一個\n\n38\n00:14:06,187 --> 00:14:25,278\n以兒少為主體政策去思考的兒少運動師不要局限在社區俱樂部也不要只有局限在學校的體育班不要只有局限在校隊如何把這個事情擴大到兒少運動師我覺得是有機會而且也想要拜託行政院去思考這個議題甚至我想要提出再次提出兒少教練證\n\n39\n00:14:26,258 --> 00:14:43,147\n還是有非常多的教練對於兒少的基本認識非常的不足他可能只有運動相關專業的認知但是他並沒有兒少的認知所以我也想要在以兒少為主體的情況下拜託行政院提出相關的規劃以上四個議題關於運動的部分可不可以請院長快速回應一下謝謝\n\n40\n00:14:44,467 --> 00:15:08,648\n謝謝委員的關心跟深入我會請我們體育局運動發展部院內的籌備小組廣明星秘書長以及諮詢小組的召集人鄭麗君副院長他們能夠在請委員能夠把這些資料我們把它納到會議相關討論會議當中我覺得非常有他的意義臺灣不僅要有棒球的紀念那個圓山足球場我也很懷念\n\n41\n00:15:09,153 --> 00:15:32,939\n是是是沒錯沒錯好我最後還有20秒我只講一個標題就好了我們之後會再跟教育部討論會考制度已經實施10年了有非常多的事情其實需要重新盤點跟討論這個部分我想部長一定也會表達關心是不是後續我們還有機會再開持續的深入會議來討論關於會考制度造成的一些問題部長點頭當然好那我們就先謝謝部長後續我們會持續討論也謝謝院長謝謝\n\n42\n00:15:35,967 --> 00:15:36,067\n羅志強委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10489\t10789\t請培瑜\n29052\t52764\t陳委員好院長早安三個跟兒少有關的議題快速跟您討論第一個我想要談的是3C我想要先說3C是中性的但是一旦過度的使用不當的使用對於非常多兒少造成的困擾我相信這幾年所有的行政機關還有包含院長您一定都相當的清楚我們來看一下但是可以怎麼樣對抗3C呢我這裡想要試著提出一個解方\n54042\t80955\t一個是用閱讀來對抗3C但是這個我是有一些學理論證想要跟院長分享來下一頁在非常多的社群網站都可以隨便找就可以找到有非常多的老師跟家長在分享孩子們過度使用3C會注意力不集中而且這個注意力不集中會長時間的延續到他他入學以後開始學習學術相關科目表現都非常的不好甚至情緒也會不穩定下一頁\n82202\t105712\t我們來看一下相關的科學研究其實從疫情前就開始有人在研究到疫情後這幾年相關的研究絕對超過1000篇以左手邊這個大腦白紙比較文展跟右手邊這個比較不完整可以看到過度使用3C長時間使用3C不當使用3C孩子們的大腦發育會出現很大的問題他在識字認知情緒控管會出現困難這個是學齡前我們已經可以看到證據下一頁\n107956\t130138\t如果時間用得更長,他會外顯到個人的行為表現,在學校裡面就會出現了問題,他跟同學跟老師之間也會有非常多的衝突。另外,如果過度使用3C,他在語言讀寫還有認知能力的測驗表現分數也會較低。這都是這幾年非常完整的研究,這是國外的研究,我們來看下一頁。\n131374\t147342\t到了臺灣我們發現從衛福部給我們的數字裡面可以看到3歲4歲5歲院長你有發現嗎年紀越小的小孩用3C的時間越來越長喔那這都會對認知語言社會情緒身體功能還有整體的認知發展都會有明顯的負面影響下一頁\n149738\t176006\t台灣做了一個統計這個是施大跟受了衛福部還是教育部的委託做了一個相關的研究我們發現從3個月開始6個月12個月然後1歲半2歲3歲4歲5歲孩子們親子共讀綠色那一塊都非常非常的低但是看電視跟用3C的比例卻非常非常的高我想這個已經充分的表現全世界的孩子跟台灣的孩子一樣都有3C過度使用的問題好下一頁\n176886\t176966\t下一頁\n192628\t208477\t那怎麼解呢其實在所有的研究當中包含國外跟台灣的研究都告訴我們要維持孩子的注意力維持孩子的情緒穩定除了良好的家庭教育跟陪伴品質有一件事情成本很低而且也很簡單就是用閱讀\n209557\t226409\t所以每一年都會有相關的單位 包含師大 他們也都會召開記者會跟大家分享他們的研究報告 也告訴大家在閱讀這件事情上其實政府可以做的更多 我們來看看可以做哪些事情閱讀到底可以造成什麼好處 這是一個最新的研究\n227470\t228451\t所以我來問一下其實我們盤點過\n252891\t269448\t衛福部、文化部、教育部在孩子不同的年齡階段其實都已經有給予一些些我必須要說是一些些閱讀資源但是它是破碎的而且它不是用國家統整的高度來面對這個議題那如果3C這件事情它真的很有可能是未來\n270089\t294900\t或者是現在孩子們在一路成長的國安危機我們政府單位還可以做哪些事情我這邊跟院長分享一下衛福部在0到2歲有所謂的閱讀禮帶從2歲開始到18歲有教育部的角色有文化部的角色所以我才會感謝三位部長感謝三位部長都已經站出來了我想要問院長院長你剛剛聽完之後您認為3C焦慮造成國安危機這件事情是不是很嚴重\n296489\t320887\t謝謝委員從這個角度對我們兒少的身心健康提出了這個提醒我認為除了學校家庭也是很重要的爸爸媽媽跟小孩之間的互動如果是用一個3C來減少互動是為了比較安寧的話那也許這樣的只對螢幕不對父母的現象會產生所以學校家庭都要進行很多的一個\n322208\t323029\t﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚\n343547\t357780\t我這邊有想要 因為我的時間有限我想要簡單提出用閱讀對抗3C在各個部會盤點之下除了現有我剛說的那些少少的預算少少的事情之外有沒有機會用國家的高度來面對3C這件事情是引入閱讀\n358841\t387873\t在這個AI時代因為我們是AI創新內閣我也要講下個月即將出版的一本中文書但是我已經看過英文版它裡面就在提到AI時代AI所能夠提供給我們的是知識但不是智慧唯有人類有智慧而智慧才有辦法去辨別跟思考還有批判所有來到我們面前的知識是不是正確的所以我也想要拜託院長協同各個部會在後續的閱讀政策上閱讀資源上可不可以以國家的高度統整三個部會\n388413\t412411\t提出用閱讀對抗3C還有協助爸爸媽媽您剛剛說的協助爸爸媽媽跟協助老師共同去面對3C的困境是 比方說教育部也有提出一個新世代雙閱讀就鼓勵有數位閱讀跟紙本閱讀增加閱讀素養我覺得這個是很長一段時間我們在教育體系當中有所忽略或許那現在教育部已經提出了是不是能夠簡單的簡要的跟\n415353\t440934\t謝謝委員的一個關心事實上我們從2000年開始這個全面教育部在推動這個閱讀運動以來那我今年剛上任但是等一下對不起部長因為我時間有限我們可不可以後續再跟你們討論我因為對閱讀非常熟悉所以我已經研究過了我簡單的跟委員報告就是說我們現在也鼓勵中小學所有的圖書館搬到一樓然後他是\n441815\t444716\t在閱讀導入學校或者是協助家庭教育的部分我們一起努力\n469466\t474411\t我們來看下一題喔另外一個也是困境 也是兒少的困境就在普特融合的部分喔普特融合當然是一個非常重要的回應\n495131\t499436\t這個時代的理念但是問題現場非常多的困境我想我要讓院長知道來第一個\n501283\t529610\t在修法之後其實有相關的執法都已經盤點完而且也陸續修法完成可是我們看到還是有一些困境來下一頁第一個是老師的相關專業知能研習這個部分其實還沒有跟上腳步再來就是關於學生合理調整執營的部分其實也還不夠我們來看下一頁還有之前在教育文化委員會質詢的時候我也拜託過部長在分散式資源班他們共用教室甚至共同分攤導師費的部分其實對於現場的老師教學都非常的不利之前有跟部長討論過\n530610\t552216\t部長說會帶回去研議可是我目前還沒有看到進度還有在施生筆的部分其實也有很大的困境尤其在特教的部分當時雖然修法的時候說是1比8可是後來教育部做出了1比10 1比8 1比15其實都跟我們現場的想像有非常多的落差再來下一個這個暑假才剛剛發生的事情有縣市政府要求特教老師要額外\n554116\t579547\t在IEP以外還要額外做課程計劃這對於在教學現場行政量已經非常重的特教老師其實都帶很大的困境我們辦公室甚至拜託國教署跟地方政府一起來開協調會來解決地方政府到底認知上出了什麼問題我想要講這麼多問題我當然會說教育部跟國教署真的在普特融合已經很努力了可是在很多現場的落實跟政策真的還是要拜託院長\n580727\t581008\t培瑜委員\n599515\t614936\t謝謝委員我想感謝委員長期對這個普特融合的這個教育那也是一個國際歧視那確實我們在明年的預算裡面也增列了一些經費我們總共編列了25億多25億4千多萬主要就是希望\n615436\t630266\t能夠陳委員剛才所提的我們也希望在這個支援班裡面能夠降低這個施政比也能夠提供許多的這些普特融合教師的增能包括強化這個普特融合的等等包括\n631147\t631327\t﹚陳培瑜﹚\n661189\t661710\t前兩天周思齊引退\n680572\t680712\t培瑜\n695688\t722337\t已經承諾所謂協助立一個杯可是我認為這件事情應該不會只有地方政府的事情其實我相信在院長您的心中一定也對這樣的事情很有感觸所以是不是可以拜託體育署在所謂體育記憶文化傳承的部分我們不要只是立一個杯因為周思齊他身為一個選手他談的是這個事情但是用國家的高度如何協助記憶台灣的運動文化不要讓它流失甚至有非常多的文物\n723057\t745921\t現在體育署只有做數位典藏但是一般人很沒有感甚至不知道我想這個運動文化記憶的傳承想要拜託行政院持續努力再來我時間有限我先講再來關於他在那一天的引退他講了一段話他說如果你們在牌桌上看到小兄弟拜託不要拍照但是請去告訴他們我們回去練球好嗎他在講的是大家共同的\n746421\t766487\t直磅賭博的記憶我相信院長你一定也印象深刻當年球場只剩下101個人在1999年花了25年的時間台灣球場總算回到了4萬人院長我要跟你說到目前為止體育署本來應該要開的直磅防堵會議到現在一場都還沒有開已經快要年底了我要講的是\n767347\t792982\t在相關的條例裡面我們也提出我們希望有防堵會議的落實我們希望有防堵信託的支持我們希望有法治教育的深化如果有這些支持我們的選手就不用成為被賭博的工具他們甚至可以不用被黑道威脅在那個時代的記憶走到現在周思齊還有今年隱退的三位選手包含關大元高國慶都談了相關的問題這個部分要拜託院長在新的部會裡面要積極的落實\n794483\t823462\t最後一個就是全新跟全民的運動發展部我昨天在副院長的臉書也有看到您提出了全新的思維甚至相關的會議我們也看到行政院非常有誠意邀請了體談大佬、運動員、球員工會、帕運、新興運動還有所有的產業代表所以我相信絕對是一個新的思維但是在過去的框架裡面如何把新的思維放進去我相信絕對是後續行政的挑戰最後一個我們來看一下一個很可愛的照片院長你記得這張照片嗎\n824864\t845486\t院長我想要問你看得出來裡面哪些是俱樂部的小孩哪些是學校體育班的小孩嗎應該看不出來對不對對我想我也是看不出來但是對我們來說他們就是台灣孩子他們就是台灣的兒少我想要談目前的規劃裡面我看不到兒少運動司我們之前一直在跟體育署開會可不可以提出一個\n846187\t865278\t以兒少為主體政策去思考的兒少運動師不要局限在社區俱樂部也不要只有局限在學校的體育班不要只有局限在校隊如何把這個事情擴大到兒少運動師我覺得是有機會而且也想要拜託行政院去思考這個議題甚至我想要提出再次提出兒少教練證\n866258\t883147\t還是有非常多的教練對於兒少的基本認識 非常的不足他可能只有運動相關專業的認知但是他並沒有兒少的認知所以我也想要在以兒少為主體的情況下拜託行政院提出相關的規劃以上四個議題關於運動的部分可不可以請院長快速回應一下 謝謝\n884467\t908648\t謝謝委員的關心跟深入我會請我們體育局運動發展部院內的籌備小組 廣明星秘書長以及諮詢小組的召集人鄭麗君副院長他們能夠在請委員能夠把這些資料我們把它納到會議相關討論會議當中我覺得非常有他的意義臺灣不僅要有棒球的紀念那個圓山足球場我也很懷念\n909153\t932939\t是是是沒錯沒錯好我最後還有20秒我只講一個標題就好了我們之後會再跟教育部討論會考制度已經實施10年了有非常多的事情其實需要重新盤點跟討論這個部分我想部長一定也會表達關心是不是後續我們還有機會再開持續的深入會議來討論關於會考制度造成的一些問題部長點頭當然好那我們就先謝謝部長後續我們會持續討論也謝謝院長謝謝\n935967\t936067\t羅志強委員\n","txt":"請培瑜\n陳委員好院長早安三個跟兒少有關的議題快速跟您討論第一個我想要談的是3C我想要先說3C是中性的但是一旦過度的使用不當的使用對於非常多兒少造成的困擾我相信這幾年所有的行政機關還有包含院長您一定都相當的清楚我們來看一下但是可以怎麼樣對抗3C呢我這裡想要試著提出一個解方\n一個是用閱讀來對抗3C但是這個我是有一些學理論證想要跟院長分享來下一頁在非常多的社群網站都可以隨便找就可以找到有非常多的老師跟家長在分享孩子們過度使用3C會注意力不集中而且這個注意力不集中會長時間的延續到他他入學以後開始學習學術相關科目表現都非常的不好甚至情緒也會不穩定下一頁\n我們來看一下相關的科學研究其實從疫情前就開始有人在研究到疫情後這幾年相關的研究絕對超過1000篇以左手邊這個大腦白紙比較文展跟右手邊這個比較不完整可以看到過度使用3C長時間使用3C不當使用3C孩子們的大腦發育會出現很大的問題他在識字認知情緒控管會出現困難這個是學齡前我們已經可以看到證據下一頁\n如果時間用得更長,他會外顯到個人的行為表現,在學校裡面就會出現了問題,他跟同學跟老師之間也會有非常多的衝突。另外,如果過度使用3C,他在語言讀寫還有認知能力的測驗表現分數也會較低。這都是這幾年非常完整的研究,這是國外的研究,我們來看下一頁。\n到了臺灣我們發現從衛福部給我們的數字裡面可以看到3歲4歲5歲院長你有發現嗎年紀越小的小孩用3C的時間越來越長喔那這都會對認知語言社會情緒身體功能還有整體的認知發展都會有明顯的負面影響下一頁\n台灣做了一個統計這個是施大跟受了衛福部還是教育部的委託做了一個相關的研究我們發現從3個月開始6個月12個月然後1歲半2歲3歲4歲5歲孩子們親子共讀綠色那一塊都非常非常的低但是看電視跟用3C的比例卻非常非常的高我想這個已經充分的表現全世界的孩子跟台灣的孩子一樣都有3C過度使用的問題好下一頁\n下一頁\n那怎麼解呢其實在所有的研究當中包含國外跟台灣的研究都告訴我們要維持孩子的注意力維持孩子的情緒穩定除了良好的家庭教育跟陪伴品質有一件事情成本很低而且也很簡單就是用閱讀\n所以每一年都會有相關的單位 包含師大 他們也都會召開記者會跟大家分享他們的研究報告 也告訴大家在閱讀這件事情上其實政府可以做的更多 我們來看看可以做哪些事情閱讀到底可以造成什麼好處 這是一個最新的研究\n所以我來問一下其實我們盤點過\n衛福部、文化部、教育部在孩子不同的年齡階段其實都已經有給予一些些我必須要說是一些些閱讀資源但是它是破碎的而且它不是用國家統整的高度來面對這個議題那如果3C這件事情它真的很有可能是未來\n或者是現在孩子們在一路成長的國安危機我們政府單位還可以做哪些事情我這邊跟院長分享一下衛福部在0到2歲有所謂的閱讀禮帶從2歲開始到18歲有教育部的角色有文化部的角色所以我才會感謝三位部長感謝三位部長都已經站出來了我想要問院長院長你剛剛聽完之後您認為3C焦慮造成國安危機這件事情是不是很嚴重\n謝謝委員從這個角度對我們兒少的身心健康提出了這個提醒我認為除了學校家庭也是很重要的爸爸媽媽跟小孩之間的互動如果是用一個3C來減少互動是為了比較安寧的話那也許這樣的只對螢幕不對父母的現象會產生所以學校家庭都要進行很多的一個\n﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚\n我這邊有想要 因為我的時間有限我想要簡單提出用閱讀對抗3C在各個部會盤點之下除了現有我剛說的那些少少的預算少少的事情之外有沒有機會用國家的高度來面對3C這件事情是引入閱讀\n在這個AI時代因為我們是AI創新內閣我也要講下個月即將出版的一本中文書但是我已經看過英文版它裡面就在提到AI時代AI所能夠提供給我們的是知識但不是智慧唯有人類有智慧而智慧才有辦法去辨別跟思考還有批判所有來到我們面前的知識是不是正確的所以我也想要拜託院長協同各個部會在後續的閱讀政策上閱讀資源上可不可以以國家的高度統整三個部會\n提出用閱讀對抗3C還有協助爸爸媽媽您剛剛說的協助爸爸媽媽跟協助老師共同去面對3C的困境是 比方說教育部也有提出一個新世代雙閱讀就鼓勵有數位閱讀跟紙本閱讀增加閱讀素養我覺得這個是很長一段時間我們在教育體系當中有所忽略或許那現在教育部已經提出了是不是能夠簡單的簡要的跟\n謝謝委員的一個關心事實上我們從2000年開始這個全面教育部在推動這個閱讀運動以來那我今年剛上任但是等一下對不起部長因為我時間有限我們可不可以後續再跟你們討論我因為對閱讀非常熟悉所以我已經研究過了我簡單的跟委員報告就是說我們現在也鼓勵中小學所有的圖書館搬到一樓然後他是\n在閱讀導入學校或者是協助家庭教育的部分我們一起努力\n我們來看下一題喔另外一個也是困境 也是兒少的困境就在普特融合的部分喔普特融合當然是一個非常重要的回應\n這個時代的理念但是問題現場非常多的困境我想我要讓院長知道來第一個\n在修法之後其實有相關的執法都已經盤點完而且也陸續修法完成可是我們看到還是有一些困境來下一頁第一個是老師的相關專業知能研習這個部分其實還沒有跟上腳步再來就是關於學生合理調整執營的部分其實也還不夠我們來看下一頁還有之前在教育文化委員會質詢的時候我也拜託過部長在分散式資源班他們共用教室甚至共同分攤導師費的部分其實對於現場的老師教學都非常的不利之前有跟部長討論過\n部長說會帶回去研議可是我目前還沒有看到進度還有在施生筆的部分其實也有很大的困境尤其在特教的部分當時雖然修法的時候說是1比8可是後來教育部做出了1比10 1比8 1比15其實都跟我們現場的想像有非常多的落差再來下一個這個暑假才剛剛發生的事情有縣市政府要求特教老師要額外\n在IEP以外還要額外做課程計劃這對於在教學現場行政量已經非常重的特教老師其實都帶很大的困境我們辦公室甚至拜託國教署跟地方政府一起來開協調會來解決地方政府到底認知上出了什麼問題我想要講這麼多問題我當然會說教育部跟國教署真的在普特融合已經很努力了可是在很多現場的落實跟政策真的還是要拜託院長\n培瑜委員\n謝謝委員我想感謝委員長期對這個普特融合的這個教育那也是一個國際歧視那確實我們在明年的預算裡面也增列了一些經費我們總共編列了25億多25億4千多萬主要就是希望\n能夠陳委員剛才所提的我們也希望在這個支援班裡面能夠降低這個施政比也能夠提供許多的這些普特融合教師的增能包括強化這個普特融合的等等包括\n﹚陳培瑜﹚\n前兩天周思齊引退\n培瑜\n已經承諾所謂協助立一個杯可是我認為這件事情應該不會只有地方政府的事情其實我相信在院長您的心中一定也對這樣的事情很有感觸所以是不是可以拜託體育署在所謂體育記憶文化傳承的部分我們不要只是立一個杯因為周思齊他身為一個選手他談的是這個事情但是用國家的高度如何協助記憶台灣的運動文化不要讓它流失甚至有非常多的文物\n現在體育署只有做數位典藏但是一般人很沒有感甚至不知道我想這個運動文化記憶的傳承想要拜託行政院持續努力再來我時間有限我先講再來關於他在那一天的引退他講了一段話他說如果你們在牌桌上看到小兄弟拜託不要拍照但是請去告訴他們我們回去練球好嗎他在講的是大家共同的\n直磅賭博的記憶我相信院長你一定也印象深刻當年球場只剩下101個人在1999年花了25年的時間台灣球場總算回到了4萬人院長我要跟你說到目前為止體育署本來應該要開的直磅防堵會議到現在一場都還沒有開已經快要年底了我要講的是\n在相關的條例裡面我們也提出我們希望有防堵會議的落實我們希望有防堵信託的支持我們希望有法治教育的深化如果有這些支持我們的選手就不用成為被賭博的工具他們甚至可以不用被黑道威脅在那個時代的記憶走到現在周思齊還有今年隱退的三位選手包含關大元高國慶都談了相關的問題這個部分要拜託院長在新的部會裡面要積極的落實\n最後一個就是全新跟全民的運動發展部我昨天在副院長的臉書也有看到您提出了全新的思維甚至相關的會議我們也看到行政院非常有誠意邀請了體談大佬、運動員、球員工會、帕運、新興運動還有所有的產業代表所以我相信絕對是一個新的思維但是在過去的框架裡面如何把新的思維放進去我相信絕對是後續行政的挑戰最後一個我們來看一下一個很可愛的照片院長你記得這張照片嗎\n院長我想要問你看得出來裡面哪些是俱樂部的小孩哪些是學校體育班的小孩嗎應該看不出來對不對對我想我也是看不出來但是對我們來說他們就是台灣孩子他們就是台灣的兒少我想要談目前的規劃裡面我看不到兒少運動司我們之前一直在跟體育署開會可不可以提出一個\n以兒少為主體政策去思考的兒少運動師不要局限在社區俱樂部也不要只有局限在學校的體育班不要只有局限在校隊如何把這個事情擴大到兒少運動師我覺得是有機會而且也想要拜託行政院去思考這個議題甚至我想要提出再次提出兒少教練證\n還是有非常多的教練對於兒少的基本認識 非常的不足他可能只有運動相關專業的認知但是他並沒有兒少的認知所以我也想要在以兒少為主體的情況下拜託行政院提出相關的規劃以上四個議題關於運動的部分可不可以請院長快速回應一下 謝謝\n謝謝委員的關心跟深入我會請我們體育局運動發展部院內的籌備小組 廣明星秘書長以及諮詢小組的召集人鄭麗君副院長他們能夠在請委員能夠把這些資料我們把它納到會議相關討論會議當中我覺得非常有他的意義臺灣不僅要有棒球的紀念那個圓山足球場我也很懷念\n是是是沒錯沒錯好我最後還有20秒我只講一個標題就好了我們之後會再跟教育部討論會考制度已經實施10年了有非常多的事情其實需要重新盤點跟討論這個部分我想部長一定也會表達關心是不是後續我們還有機會再開持續的深入會議來討論關於會考制度造成的一些問題部長點頭當然好那我們就先謝謝部長後續我們會持續討論也謝謝院長謝謝\n羅志強委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.489 --> 00:10.789\n請培瑜\n\n00:29.052 --> 00:52.764\n陳委員好院長早安三個跟兒少有關的議題快速跟您討論第一個我想要談的是3C我想要先說3C是中性的但是一旦過度的使用不當的使用對於非常多兒少造成的困擾我相信這幾年所有的行政機關還有包含院長您一定都相當的清楚我們來看一下但是可以怎麼樣對抗3C呢我這裡想要試著提出一個解方\n\n00:54.042 --> 01:20.955\n一個是用閱讀來對抗3C但是這個我是有一些學理論證想要跟院長分享來下一頁在非常多的社群網站都可以隨便找就可以找到有非常多的老師跟家長在分享孩子們過度使用3C會注意力不集中而且這個注意力不集中會長時間的延續到他他入學以後開始學習學術相關科目表現都非常的不好甚至情緒也會不穩定下一頁\n\n01:22.202 --> 01:45.712\n我們來看一下相關的科學研究其實從疫情前就開始有人在研究到疫情後這幾年相關的研究絕對超過1000篇以左手邊這個大腦白紙比較文展跟右手邊這個比較不完整可以看到過度使用3C長時間使用3C不當使用3C孩子們的大腦發育會出現很大的問題他在識字認知情緒控管會出現困難這個是學齡前我們已經可以看到證據下一頁\n\n01:47.956 --> 02:10.138\n如果時間用得更長,他會外顯到個人的行為表現,在學校裡面就會出現了問題,他跟同學跟老師之間也會有非常多的衝突。另外,如果過度使用3C,他在語言讀寫還有認知能力的測驗表現分數也會較低。這都是這幾年非常完整的研究,這是國外的研究,我們來看下一頁。\n\n02:11.374 --> 02:27.342\n到了臺灣我們發現從衛福部給我們的數字裡面可以看到3歲4歲5歲院長你有發現嗎年紀越小的小孩用3C的時間越來越長喔那這都會對認知語言社會情緒身體功能還有整體的認知發展都會有明顯的負面影響下一頁\n\n02:29.738 --> 02:56.006\n台灣做了一個統計這個是施大跟受了衛福部還是教育部的委託做了一個相關的研究我們發現從3個月開始6個月12個月然後1歲半2歲3歲4歲5歲孩子們親子共讀綠色那一塊都非常非常的低但是看電視跟用3C的比例卻非常非常的高我想這個已經充分的表現全世界的孩子跟台灣的孩子一樣都有3C過度使用的問題好下一頁\n\n02:56.886 --> 02:56.966\n下一頁\n\n03:12.628 --> 03:28.477\n那怎麼解呢其實在所有的研究當中包含國外跟台灣的研究都告訴我們要維持孩子的注意力維持孩子的情緒穩定除了良好的家庭教育跟陪伴品質有一件事情成本很低而且也很簡單就是用閱讀\n\n03:29.557 --> 03:46.409\n所以每一年都會有相關的單位包含師大他們也都會召開記者會跟大家分享他們的研究報告也告訴大家在閱讀這件事情上其實政府可以做的更多我們來看看可以做哪些事情閱讀到底可以造成什麼好處這是一個最新的研究\n\n03:47.470 --> 03:48.451\n所以我來問一下其實我們盤點過\n\n04:12.891 --> 04:29.448\n衛福部、文化部、教育部在孩子不同的年齡階段其實都已經有給予一些些我必須要說是一些些閱讀資源但是它是破碎的而且它不是用國家統整的高度來面對這個議題那如果3C這件事情它真的很有可能是未來\n\n04:30.089 --> 04:54.900\n或者是現在孩子們在一路成長的國安危機我們政府單位還可以做哪些事情我這邊跟院長分享一下衛福部在0到2歲有所謂的閱讀禮帶從2歲開始到18歲有教育部的角色有文化部的角色所以我才會感謝三位部長感謝三位部長都已經站出來了我想要問院長院長你剛剛聽完之後您認為3C焦慮造成國安危機這件事情是不是很嚴重\n\n04:56.489 --> 05:20.887\n謝謝委員從這個角度對我們兒少的身心健康提出了這個提醒我認為除了學校家庭也是很重要的爸爸媽媽跟小孩之間的互動如果是用一個3C來減少互動是為了比較安寧的話那也許這樣的只對螢幕不對父母的現象會產生所以學校家庭都要進行很多的一個\n\n05:22.208 --> 05:23.029\n﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚陳培瑜﹚\n\n05:43.547 --> 05:57.780\n我這邊有想要因為我的時間有限我想要簡單提出用閱讀對抗3C在各個部會盤點之下除了現有我剛說的那些少少的預算少少的事情之外有沒有機會用國家的高度來面對3C這件事情是引入閱讀\n\n05:58.841 --> 06:27.873\n在這個AI時代因為我們是AI創新內閣我也要講下個月即將出版的一本中文書但是我已經看過英文版它裡面就在提到AI時代AI所能夠提供給我們的是知識但不是智慧唯有人類有智慧而智慧才有辦法去辨別跟思考還有批判所有來到我們面前的知識是不是正確的所以我也想要拜託院長協同各個部會在後續的閱讀政策上閱讀資源上可不可以以國家的高度統整三個部會\n\n06:28.413 --> 06:52.411\n提出用閱讀對抗3C還有協助爸爸媽媽您剛剛說的協助爸爸媽媽跟協助老師共同去面對3C的困境是比方說教育部也有提出一個新世代雙閱讀就鼓勵有數位閱讀跟紙本閱讀增加閱讀素養我覺得這個是很長一段時間我們在教育體系當中有所忽略或許那現在教育部已經提出了是不是能夠簡單的簡要的跟\n\n06:55.353 --> 07:20.934\n謝謝委員的一個關心事實上我們從2000年開始這個全面教育部在推動這個閱讀運動以來那我今年剛上任但是等一下對不起部長因為我時間有限我們可不可以後續再跟你們討論我因為對閱讀非常熟悉所以我已經研究過了我簡單的跟委員報告就是說我們現在也鼓勵中小學所有的圖書館搬到一樓然後他是\n\n07:21.815 --> 07:24.716\n在閱讀導入學校或者是協助家庭教育的部分我們一起努力\n\n07:49.466 --> 07:54.411\n我們來看下一題喔另外一個也是困境也是兒少的困境就在普特融合的部分喔普特融合當然是一個非常重要的回應\n\n08:15.131 --> 08:19.436\n這個時代的理念但是問題現場非常多的困境我想我要讓院長知道來第一個\n\n08:21.283 --> 08:49.610\n在修法之後其實有相關的執法都已經盤點完而且也陸續修法完成可是我們看到還是有一些困境來下一頁第一個是老師的相關專業知能研習這個部分其實還沒有跟上腳步再來就是關於學生合理調整執營的部分其實也還不夠我們來看下一頁還有之前在教育文化委員會質詢的時候我也拜託過部長在分散式資源班他們共用教室甚至共同分攤導師費的部分其實對於現場的老師教學都非常的不利之前有跟部長討論過\n\n08:50.610 --> 09:12.216\n部長說會帶回去研議可是我目前還沒有看到進度還有在施生筆的部分其實也有很大的困境尤其在特教的部分當時雖然修法的時候說是1比8可是後來教育部做出了1比101比81比15其實都跟我們現場的想像有非常多的落差再來下一個這個暑假才剛剛發生的事情有縣市政府要求特教老師要額外\n\n09:14.116 --> 09:39.547\n在IEP以外還要額外做課程計劃這對於在教學現場行政量已經非常重的特教老師其實都帶很大的困境我們辦公室甚至拜託國教署跟地方政府一起來開協調會來解決地方政府到底認知上出了什麼問題我想要講這麼多問題我當然會說教育部跟國教署真的在普特融合已經很努力了可是在很多現場的落實跟政策真的還是要拜託院長\n\n09:40.727 --> 09:41.008\n培瑜委員\n\n09:59.515 --> 10:14.936\n謝謝委員我想感謝委員長期對這個普特融合的這個教育那也是一個國際歧視那確實我們在明年的預算裡面也增列了一些經費我們總共編列了25億多25億4千多萬主要就是希望\n\n10:15.436 --> 10:30.266\n能夠陳委員剛才所提的我們也希望在這個支援班裡面能夠降低這個施政比也能夠提供許多的這些普特融合教師的增能包括強化這個普特融合的等等包括\n\n10:31.147 --> 10:31.327\n﹚陳培瑜﹚\n\n11:01.189 --> 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