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00:01:52,611\n他的爸爸媽媽他的阿公阿嬤非常的傷心這一次他們也針對三年後竟然又發生了東海女大學生也一樣被公車撞死他們更加的悲痛而且發出了很多的心聲你知道三年前這個女高中生她是嘉陽高中的航太機械科她的夢是什麼她希望畢業之後可以進入漢翔我們呢真的\n\n7\n00:01:54,329 --> 00:02:19,609\n拜託了漢翔公司去孩子的臨前臨鄉我們送了他榮譽的員工證我們送了一套漢翔的制服給他我們非常心痛的去做這一件事情因為他只能在天堂圓夢他沒有辦法真正實踐他自己的人生夢想這是一個孩子的人生生命可是三年之後\n\n8\n00:02:21,943 --> 00:02:43,329\n你的小學妹走在斑馬線我們在道安在各級學校裡面教孩子教我們的國人我們走路要守法要走在斑馬線他守法了但是呢他一樣被公車撞死你那學生的媽媽昨天有發聲明\n\n9\n00:02:45,433 --> 00:03:03,053\n難道我們的孩子以後走在路上都要穿的盔甲嗎?部長你聽到這句話你做何感想?當然我自己也有孩子每天也都在街道上走路所以聽到這句話當然相當的難過那作為交通部長這個部分我們責無旁貸我們會來努力\n\n10\n00:03:03,977 --> 00:03:28,729\n雖然你才剛接任但是我相信你是台中人你對台中的所有的交通環境不陌生甚至呢擴及到全台灣各縣市的交通環境我們有責任所以過去呢在過去王部長的時代甚至呢在我曾經在商會期當任這個交通委員會的召委的時候我們呢全力訂定了道路交通安全的基本法\n\n11\n00:03:29,409 --> 00:03:58,631\n我們三讀通過了我們接著行人的交通安全設施條例也三讀通過了中央該立法中央該修法中央該政策明確找足預算來補助各地方政府來協助各地方政府來完善行人的交通安全甚至呢所有的交通的配套措施這是我們的責任但是\n\n12\n00:03:59,878 --> 00:04:06,065\n我們中央法規努力做,預算也編了。部長你認為地方政府有跟上嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:07,562 --> 00:04:34,702\n報告委員這個部分其實台中所發生的這個案例我們看到的是一個公車它該停等沒有停等在中央的法令上其實我們也已經有強制性要求大客車跟大貨車在這個過這個馬路要左轉或右轉的時候一定要停等這是強制的而且有罰則這一次這個公車有所謂的輔助系統可是沒有發生功能輔助系統基本上都有裝置\n\n14\n00:04:35,723 --> 00:05:01,072\n那但是公車的這個駕駛員到底自己有沒有注意這是一方面那二方面我剛才在講的是強制停等的部分其實我覺得我問部裡面的同仁跟我講說在北部尤其是台北市大家停等的文化跟停等的觀念比較有但確實我自己來自台中我在台中也看到許多的客貨運業者在轉彎的過程當中不一定會停等這個部分其實就是有風險\n\n15\n00:05:06,017 --> 00:05:18,450\n我們法令上有了該宣導交通部跟地方政府會一起來努力不過要強制讓司機不敢不停等的狀況底下你就必須要有一些執法面的協助\n\n16\n00:05:19,471 --> 00:05:46,653\n讓司機知道說如果假使他不停等會受到嚴厲的懲罰這個部分可能是地方要加強執法的部分這個地方是我們中央地方要加強執法的部分但是有一件事情在行政措施上面是我們中央地方也該做的一件事情比如說臺中市政府每年都有做市區汽車客域的評鑑報告書他每年做喔他從100年一直做喔\n\n17\n00:05:48,109 --> 00:06:13,198\n在這個市區的汽車客運評鑑報告書裡面有五大指標其中一項的指標項目就是部長你剛剛講的駕駛員、旅客服務品質與駕駛員管理還有安全也是另外一個指標那我們每年都在做都要求地方政府要做這些客運的評鑑那評鑑服務書出來了之後\n\n18\n00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:35,889\n有追蹤嗎?有追蹤嗎?有考核嗎?有確實的要求地方政府去要求這些市區的客運去要求駕駛員嗎?後續有嗎?部長,後續好像沒有你知道更諷刺的是什麼?我找到了一個數字根據剛剛\n\n19\n00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:58,211\n我提到的一百一十一年度臺中市市區汽車客運營運及服務評鑑計畫書是在去年的十二月二十二號公布的你知道這一次昭市的劇業劇業劇業竟然是滿分最高分\n\n20\n00:07:00,185 --> 00:07:16,102\n我不知道是算錯了還是怎麼樣欸一百一十年度我剛剛很心痛的坐在我太平的女高中生才被這一家客運公司的公車撞死了結果隔年他的這個評鑑他竟然是這樣子的分數\n\n21\n00:07:21,449 --> 00:07:43,765\n我們希望地方政府對於客運業者的這個評鑑可以更落實而且要更務實要確實看出因為這個評鑑其實除了要獎勵之外重點是要看出問題在評鑑的過程要看出每一個業者他的問題在哪裡那如果找得出問題就可以克服問題那如果這個評鑑總是分數都很高沒有找出問題那就很可惜\n\n22\n00:07:44,301 --> 00:08:02,678\n那部長你可不可以責成我們相關單位我們是不是可以來盤點各地方政府針對市區公車業者的這個所謂的評鑑雖然可能是他地方自治的項目但是我們可不可以就專業來協助各地方政府說那你的評鑑這個服務什麼服務書做得好不好\n\n23\n00:08:06,101 --> 00:08:12,364\n做的有沒有後續的一個追蹤、考核有沒有落實那能不能像部長一樣說的我們要從這個評鑑報告書裡面看出他們有什麼問題那有問題我們針對問題中央來協助地方甚至協助客運公司來解決\n\n24\n00:08:25,615 --> 00:08:53,320\n我們請市長各位委員報告委員提的這個方向我想我們這個公務局那邊有公共運輸補助計畫我們透過這個公共運輸的一個這個補助的機制來要求各地方政府每年評鑑做完之後必須要請專家學者來做審驗那另外一個部分就是說每年在訂這個評鑑這個指標項目的時候我們也就是說一起來做這個解釋讓每個地方政府要做評鑑的項目一定要切合他這個地方\n\n25\n00:08:53,980 --> 00:09:10,838\n這一個包括營運安全所需要的一個部分不是只有在補助款裡面的扣款機制啦我覺得還要再更積極更正向甚至呢更進一步的去輔導甚至呢抓出問題解決問題啦不然你剛剛說扣款部長\n\n26\n00:09:12,740 --> 00:09:36,069\n盧市長在臺中市政府也有五大宣示啊五大宣示的其中一個就是說他要去扣款啊扣一百二十萬啊但是部長你看了那五大宣示你覺得能夠改變現行的市區公車這個客運的生態嗎你覺得這五大宣示之後臺中市就不會再有其他的交通意外事故了嗎\n\n27\n00:09:37,093 --> 00:09:51,930\n我覺得該有的法令規定當然中央政府跟立法院這邊都相當的努力我們盡量在完善當中那地方的硬體建設的部分跟工程的改善我們也盡量在努力不過有兩個很關鍵的一方面是守法的觀念\n\n28\n00:09:52,470 --> 00:10:21,049\n二方面是以業者來說的話對於司機員的管理面跟教育面我覺得這個是重要的地方政府其實可以努力去督促我們給地方政府對於客運的補助其實在給的過程當中我們也會特別去要求地方政府未來在這一塊對於司機員的管理對於客運業者的管理要積極落實部長你剛剛講到一個重點以後表示之前我們的機制強度不夠\n\n29\n00:10:22,048 --> 00:10:28,849\n我們中央給地方政府有關這個汽車科技的補助款的時候我們現在的強度不夠嘛\n\n30\n00:10:30,455 --> 00:10:54,511\n我們加強了要求我們交通部有專業我們有那麼多學者專家那我一個給補助款的時候就如同我剛剛講的給各地方政府該有的專業指導該有的強度的要求那要求什麼你剛剛講到重點守法的觀念還有客運公司駕駛員的這個安全的一個觀念\n\n31\n00:10:56,252 --> 00:11:12,729\n還有要求很多很多那就是強度不夠嘛所以我覺得這個是要用我們政策工具預算補助的這樣的工具我們真的要拿出專業希望中央地方大家一起合作啦不然接下來這一張\n\n32\n00:11:14,244 --> 00:11:35,262\n表格,部長,我們各縣市比一比啊,死亡人數台中市都在增加,那我們每年看到這樣子的一個交通事故的死亡人數你作何感想,這每一條生命都是寶貴的,每一條生命背後都有無數傷心的家人跟破碎的家庭\n\n33\n00:11:36,434 --> 00:12:02,286\n我們跟台中市政府會一起來努力那剛剛蔡其昌委員也有質詢到這個問題我們中央以管考方面也一直在努力例如說台中確實這段時間他的數字是不好的包含這個路口改善的數字也不夠好然後這個死亡率行人死亡的數字也蠻高的所以我們就會要求他到行政院的這個道安的這個工作彙報來做專案報告\n\n34\n00:12:04,127 --> 00:12:22,726\n那報告說他們未來要怎麼樣做改善,這個部分管考的部分我們會積極來要求。責拜託部長,因為你也來自台中,那這一次喪失生命的也是你東海的小學妹,我覺得不管哪一次的事故發生,不管死傷的哪一個人都是一個不幸,我們都希望這不是\n\n35\n00:12:24,192 --> 00:12:36,969\n一直發生我希望他是最後一次甚至我希望連一次都不能發生好不好我們中央地方一起來努力一定要保護我們國人行的安全謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1291\t5477\t好 謝謝召委 大家早 我們請陳世凱部長好 請陳部長部長好委員好\n17458\t34763\t這一次台中發生的令人非常心痛又遺憾我們東海的女大學生被公車撞死那這位女大學生是部長您的東海的小學妹所以我也非常的悲痛你也非常的悲痛所以你現在身為交通部部長我更\n36404\t50655\t嚴厲的要求我們中央跟地方應該要好好的合作來把這個行人安全還有道路交通相關的配套我覺得這個大家都責無旁貸啦為什麼呢?尤其你也來自台中\n51736\t70996\t台中三年前呢就發生過一次也是同一家客運公司在清水嘉陽高中前面撞死了一個高中生這個高中生住在我太平父母親阿公阿嬤都是我的好朋友三年前我們很心痛很心痛\n72844\t81433\t當時候的台中市政府有沒有作為我不知道但是我們看到這個女高中生16歲的年紀\n84502\t112611\t他的爸爸媽媽他的阿公阿嬤非常的傷心這一次他們也針對三年後竟然又發生了東海女大學生也一樣被公車撞死他們更加的悲痛而且發出了很多的心聲你知道三年前這個女高中生她是嘉陽高中的航太機械科她的夢是什麼她希望畢業之後可以進入漢翔我們呢真的\n114329\t139609\t拜託了漢翔公司去孩子的臨前臨鄉我們送了他榮譽的員工證我們送了一套漢翔的制服給他我們非常心痛的去做這一件事情因為他只能在天堂圓夢他沒有辦法真正實踐他自己的人生夢想這是一個孩子的人生生命可是三年之後\n141943\t163329\t你的小學妹走在斑馬線我們在道安在各級學校裡面教孩子教我們的國人我們走路要守法要走在斑馬線他守法了但是呢他一樣被公車撞死你那學生的媽媽昨天有發聲明\n165433\t183053\t難道我們的孩子以後走在路上都要穿的盔甲嗎?部長你聽到這句話你做何感想?當然我自己也有孩子每天也都在街道上走路所以聽到這句話當然相當的難過那作為交通部長這個部分我們責無旁貸我們會來努力\n183977\t208729\t雖然你才剛接任但是我相信你是台中人你對台中的所有的交通環境不陌生甚至呢擴及到全台灣各縣市的交通環境我們有責任所以過去呢在過去王部長的時代甚至呢在我曾經在商會期當任這個交通委員會的召委的時候我們呢全力訂定了道路交通安全的基本法\n209409\t238631\t我們三讀通過了我們接著行人的交通安全設施條例也三讀通過了中央該立法中央該修法中央該政策明確找足預算來補助各地方政府來協助各地方政府來完善行人的交通安全甚至呢所有的交通的配套措施這是我們的責任但是\n239878\t246065\t我們中央法規努力做,預算也編了。部長你認為地方政府有跟上嗎?\n247562\t274702\t報告委員這個部分其實台中所發生的這個案例我們看到的是一個公車它該停等沒有停等在中央的法令上其實我們也已經有強制性要求大客車跟大貨車在這個過這個馬路要左轉或右轉的時候一定要停等這是強制的而且有罰則這一次這個公車有所謂的輔助系統可是沒有發生功能輔助系統基本上都有裝置\n275723\t301072\t那但是公車的這個駕駛員到底自己有沒有注意這是一方面那二方面我剛才在講的是強制停等的部分其實我覺得我問部裡面的同仁跟我講說在北部尤其是台北市大家停等的文化跟停等的觀念比較有但確實我自己來自台中我在台中也看到許多的客貨運業者在轉彎的過程當中不一定會停等這個部分其實就是有風險\n306017\t318450\t我們法令上有了該宣導交通部跟地方政府會一起來努力不過要強制讓司機不敢不停等的狀況底下你就必須要有一些執法面的協助\n319471\t346653\t讓司機知道說如果假使他不停等會受到嚴厲的懲罰這個部分可能是地方要加強執法的部分這個地方是我們中央地方要加強執法的部分但是有一件事情在行政措施上面是我們中央地方也該做的一件事情比如說臺中市政府每年都有做市區汽車客域的評鑑報告書他每年做喔他從100年一直做喔\n348109\t373198\t在這個市區的汽車客運評鑑報告書裡面有五大指標其中一項的指標項目就是部長你剛剛講的駕駛員、旅客服務品質與駕駛員管理還有安全也是另外一個指標那我們每年都在做都要求地方政府要做這些客運的評鑑那評鑑服務書出來了之後\n376260\t395889\t有追蹤嗎?有追蹤嗎?有考核嗎?有確實的要求地方政府去要求這些市區的客運去要求駕駛員嗎?後續有嗎?部長,後續好像沒有你知道更諷刺的是什麼?我找到了一個數字根據剛剛\n397890\t418211\t我提到的一百一十一年度臺中市市區汽車客運營運及服務評鑑計畫書是在去年的十二月二十二號公布的你知道這一次昭市的劇業劇業劇業竟然是滿分最高分\n420185\t436102\t我不知道是算錯了還是怎麼樣欸一百一十年度我剛剛很心痛的坐在我太平的女高中生才被這一家客運公司的公車撞死了結果隔年他的這個評鑑他竟然是這樣子的分數\n441449\t463765\t我們希望地方政府對於客運業者的這個評鑑可以更落實而且要更務實要確實看出因為這個評鑑其實除了要獎勵之外重點是要看出問題在評鑑的過程要看出每一個業者他的問題在哪裡那如果找得出問題就可以克服問題那如果這個評鑑總是分數都很高沒有找出問題那就很可惜\n464301\t482678\t那部長你可不可以責成我們相關單位我們是不是可以來盤點各地方政府針對市區公車業者的這個所謂的評鑑雖然可能是他地方自治的項目但是我們可不可以就專業來協助各地方政府說那你的評鑑這個服務什麼服務書做得好不好\n486101\t492364\t做的有沒有後續的一個追蹤、考核有沒有落實那能不能像部長一樣說的我們要從這個評鑑報告書裡面看出他們有什麼問題那有問題我們針對問題中央來協助地方甚至協助客運公司來解決\n505615\t533320\t我們請市長各位委員報告委員提的這個方向我想我們這個公務局那邊有公共運輸補助計畫我們透過這個公共運輸的一個這個補助的機制來要求各地方政府每年評鑑做完之後必須要請專家學者來做審驗那另外一個部分就是說每年在訂這個評鑑這個指標項目的時候我們也就是說一起來做這個解釋讓每個地方政府要做評鑑的項目一定要切合他這個地方\n533980\t550838\t這一個包括營運安全所需要的一個部分不是只有在補助款裡面的扣款機制啦我覺得還要再更積極更正向甚至呢更進一步的去輔導甚至呢抓出問題解決問題啦不然你剛剛說扣款部長\n552740\t576069\t盧市長在臺中市政府也有五大宣示啊五大宣示的其中一個就是說他要去扣款啊扣一百二十萬啊但是部長你看了那五大宣示你覺得能夠改變現行的市區公車這個客運的生態嗎你覺得這五大宣示之後臺中市就不會再有其他的交通意外事故了嗎\n577093\t591930\t我覺得該有的法令規定當然中央政府跟立法院這邊都相當的努力我們盡量在完善當中那地方的硬體建設的部分跟工程的改善我們也盡量在努力不過有兩個很關鍵的一方面是守法的觀念\n592470\t621049\t二方面是以業者來說的話對於司機員的管理面跟教育面我覺得這個是重要的地方政府其實可以努力去督促我們給地方政府對於客運的補助其實在給的過程當中我們也會特別去要求地方政府未來在這一塊對於司機員的管理對於客運業者的管理要積極落實部長你剛剛講到一個重點以後表示之前我們的機制強度不夠\n622048\t628849\t我們中央給地方政府有關這個汽車科技的補助款的時候我們現在的強度不夠嘛\n630455\t654511\t我們加強了要求我們交通部有專業我們有那麼多學者專家那我一個給補助款的時候就如同我剛剛講的給各地方政府該有的專業指導該有的強度的要求那要求什麼你剛剛講到重點守法的觀念還有客運公司駕駛員的這個安全的一個觀念\n656252\t672729\t還有要求很多很多那就是強度不夠嘛所以我覺得這個是要用我們政策工具預算補助的這樣的工具我們真的要拿出專業希望中央地方大家一起合作啦不然接下來這一張\n674244\t695262\t表格,部長,我們各縣市比一比啊,死亡人數台中市都在增加,那我們每年看到這樣子的一個交通事故的死亡人數你作何感想,這每一條生命都是寶貴的,每一條生命背後都有無數傷心的家人跟破碎的家庭\n696434\t722286\t我們跟台中市政府會一起來努力那剛剛蔡其昌委員也有質詢到這個問題我們中央以管考方面也一直在努力例如說台中確實這段時間他的數字是不好的包含這個路口改善的數字也不夠好然後這個死亡率行人死亡的數字也蠻高的所以我們就會要求他到行政院的這個道安的這個工作彙報來做專案報告\n724127\t742726\t那報告說他們未來要怎麼樣做改善,這個部分管考的部分我們會積極來要求。責拜託部長,因為你也來自台中,那這一次喪失生命的也是你東海的小學妹,我覺得不管哪一次的事故發生,不管死傷的哪一個人都是一個不幸,我們都希望這不是\n744192\t756969\t一直發生我希望他是最後一次甚至我希望連一次都不能發生好不好我們中央地方一起來努力一定要保護我們國人行的安全謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委 大家早 我們請陳世凱部長好 請陳部長部長好委員好\n這一次台中發生的令人非常心痛又遺憾我們東海的女大學生被公車撞死那這位女大學生是部長您的東海的小學妹所以我也非常的悲痛你也非常的悲痛所以你現在身為交通部部長我更\n嚴厲的要求我們中央跟地方應該要好好的合作來把這個行人安全還有道路交通相關的配套我覺得這個大家都責無旁貸啦為什麼呢?尤其你也來自台中\n台中三年前呢就發生過一次也是同一家客運公司在清水嘉陽高中前面撞死了一個高中生這個高中生住在我太平父母親阿公阿嬤都是我的好朋友三年前我們很心痛很心痛\n當時候的台中市政府有沒有作為我不知道但是我們看到這個女高中生16歲的年紀\n他的爸爸媽媽他的阿公阿嬤非常的傷心這一次他們也針對三年後竟然又發生了東海女大學生也一樣被公車撞死他們更加的悲痛而且發出了很多的心聲你知道三年前這個女高中生她是嘉陽高中的航太機械科她的夢是什麼她希望畢業之後可以進入漢翔我們呢真的\n拜託了漢翔公司去孩子的臨前臨鄉我們送了他榮譽的員工證我們送了一套漢翔的制服給他我們非常心痛的去做這一件事情因為他只能在天堂圓夢他沒有辦法真正實踐他自己的人生夢想這是一個孩子的人生生命可是三年之後\n你的小學妹走在斑馬線我們在道安在各級學校裡面教孩子教我們的國人我們走路要守法要走在斑馬線他守法了但是呢他一樣被公車撞死你那學生的媽媽昨天有發聲明\n難道我們的孩子以後走在路上都要穿的盔甲嗎?部長你聽到這句話你做何感想?當然我自己也有孩子每天也都在街道上走路所以聽到這句話當然相當的難過那作為交通部長這個部分我們責無旁貸我們會來努力\n雖然你才剛接任但是我相信你是台中人你對台中的所有的交通環境不陌生甚至呢擴及到全台灣各縣市的交通環境我們有責任所以過去呢在過去王部長的時代甚至呢在我曾經在商會期當任這個交通委員會的召委的時候我們呢全力訂定了道路交通安全的基本法\n我們三讀通過了我們接著行人的交通安全設施條例也三讀通過了中央該立法中央該修法中央該政策明確找足預算來補助各地方政府來協助各地方政府來完善行人的交通安全甚至呢所有的交通的配套措施這是我們的責任但是\n我們中央法規努力做,預算也編了。部長你認為地方政府有跟上嗎?\n報告委員這個部分其實台中所發生的這個案例我們看到的是一個公車它該停等沒有停等在中央的法令上其實我們也已經有強制性要求大客車跟大貨車在這個過這個馬路要左轉或右轉的時候一定要停等這是強制的而且有罰則這一次這個公車有所謂的輔助系統可是沒有發生功能輔助系統基本上都有裝置\n那但是公車的這個駕駛員到底自己有沒有注意這是一方面那二方面我剛才在講的是強制停等的部分其實我覺得我問部裡面的同仁跟我講說在北部尤其是台北市大家停等的文化跟停等的觀念比較有但確實我自己來自台中我在台中也看到許多的客貨運業者在轉彎的過程當中不一定會停等這個部分其實就是有風險\n我們法令上有了該宣導交通部跟地方政府會一起來努力不過要強制讓司機不敢不停等的狀況底下你就必須要有一些執法面的協助\n讓司機知道說如果假使他不停等會受到嚴厲的懲罰這個部分可能是地方要加強執法的部分這個地方是我們中央地方要加強執法的部分但是有一件事情在行政措施上面是我們中央地方也該做的一件事情比如說臺中市政府每年都有做市區汽車客域的評鑑報告書他每年做喔他從100年一直做喔\n在這個市區的汽車客運評鑑報告書裡面有五大指標其中一項的指標項目就是部長你剛剛講的駕駛員、旅客服務品質與駕駛員管理還有安全也是另外一個指標那我們每年都在做都要求地方政府要做這些客運的評鑑那評鑑服務書出來了之後\n有追蹤嗎?有追蹤嗎?有考核嗎?有確實的要求地方政府去要求這些市區的客運去要求駕駛員嗎?後續有嗎?部長,後續好像沒有你知道更諷刺的是什麼?我找到了一個數字根據剛剛\n我提到的一百一十一年度臺中市市區汽車客運營運及服務評鑑計畫書是在去年的十二月二十二號公布的你知道這一次昭市的劇業劇業劇業竟然是滿分最高分\n我不知道是算錯了還是怎麼樣欸一百一十年度我剛剛很心痛的坐在我太平的女高中生才被這一家客運公司的公車撞死了結果隔年他的這個評鑑他竟然是這樣子的分數\n我們希望地方政府對於客運業者的這個評鑑可以更落實而且要更務實要確實看出因為這個評鑑其實除了要獎勵之外重點是要看出問題在評鑑的過程要看出每一個業者他的問題在哪裡那如果找得出問題就可以克服問題那如果這個評鑑總是分數都很高沒有找出問題那就很可惜\n那部長你可不可以責成我們相關單位我們是不是可以來盤點各地方政府針對市區公車業者的這個所謂的評鑑雖然可能是他地方自治的項目但是我們可不可以就專業來協助各地方政府說那你的評鑑這個服務什麼服務書做得好不好\n做的有沒有後續的一個追蹤、考核有沒有落實那能不能像部長一樣說的我們要從這個評鑑報告書裡面看出他們有什麼問題那有問題我們針對問題中央來協助地方甚至協助客運公司來解決\n我們請市長各位委員報告委員提的這個方向我想我們這個公務局那邊有公共運輸補助計畫我們透過這個公共運輸的一個這個補助的機制來要求各地方政府每年評鑑做完之後必須要請專家學者來做審驗那另外一個部分就是說每年在訂這個評鑑這個指標項目的時候我們也就是說一起來做這個解釋讓每個地方政府要做評鑑的項目一定要切合他這個地方\n這一個包括營運安全所需要的一個部分不是只有在補助款裡面的扣款機制啦我覺得還要再更積極更正向甚至呢更進一步的去輔導甚至呢抓出問題解決問題啦不然你剛剛說扣款部長\n盧市長在臺中市政府也有五大宣示啊五大宣示的其中一個就是說他要去扣款啊扣一百二十萬啊但是部長你看了那五大宣示你覺得能夠改變現行的市區公車這個客運的生態嗎你覺得這五大宣示之後臺中市就不會再有其他的交通意外事故了嗎\n我覺得該有的法令規定當然中央政府跟立法院這邊都相當的努力我們盡量在完善當中那地方的硬體建設的部分跟工程的改善我們也盡量在努力不過有兩個很關鍵的一方面是守法的觀念\n二方面是以業者來說的話對於司機員的管理面跟教育面我覺得這個是重要的地方政府其實可以努力去督促我們給地方政府對於客運的補助其實在給的過程當中我們也會特別去要求地方政府未來在這一塊對於司機員的管理對於客運業者的管理要積極落實部長你剛剛講到一個重點以後表示之前我們的機制強度不夠\n我們中央給地方政府有關這個汽車科技的補助款的時候我們現在的強度不夠嘛\n我們加強了要求我們交通部有專業我們有那麼多學者專家那我一個給補助款的時候就如同我剛剛講的給各地方政府該有的專業指導該有的強度的要求那要求什麼你剛剛講到重點守法的觀念還有客運公司駕駛員的這個安全的一個觀念\n還有要求很多很多那就是強度不夠嘛所以我覺得這個是要用我們政策工具預算補助的這樣的工具我們真的要拿出專業希望中央地方大家一起合作啦不然接下來這一張\n表格,部長,我們各縣市比一比啊,死亡人數台中市都在增加,那我們每年看到這樣子的一個交通事故的死亡人數你作何感想,這每一條生命都是寶貴的,每一條生命背後都有無數傷心的家人跟破碎的家庭\n我們跟台中市政府會一起來努力那剛剛蔡其昌委員也有質詢到這個問題我們中央以管考方面也一直在努力例如說台中確實這段時間他的數字是不好的包含這個路口改善的數字也不夠好然後這個死亡率行人死亡的數字也蠻高的所以我們就會要求他到行政院的這個道安的這個工作彙報來做專案報告\n那報告說他們未來要怎麼樣做改善,這個部分管考的部分我們會積極來要求。責拜託部長,因為你也來自台中,那這一次喪失生命的也是你東海的小學妹,我覺得不管哪一次的事故發生,不管死傷的哪一個人都是一個不幸,我們都希望這不是\n一直發生我希望他是最後一次甚至我希望連一次都不能發生好不好我們中央地方一起來努力一定要保護我們國人行的安全謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.291 --> 00:05.477\n好謝謝召委大家早我們請陳世凱部長好請陳部長部長好委員好\n\n00:17.458 --> 00:34.763\n這一次台中發生的令人非常心痛又遺憾我們東海的女大學生被公車撞死那這位女大學生是部長您的東海的小學妹所以我也非常的悲痛你也非常的悲痛所以你現在身為交通部部長我更\n\n00:36.404 --> 00:50.655\n嚴厲的要求我們中央跟地方應該要好好的合作來把這個行人安全還有道路交通相關的配套我覺得這個大家都責無旁貸啦為什麼呢?尤其你也來自台中\n\n00:51.736 --> 01:10.996\n台中三年前呢就發生過一次也是同一家客運公司在清水嘉陽高中前面撞死了一個高中生這個高中生住在我太平父母親阿公阿嬤都是我的好朋友三年前我們很心痛很心痛\n\n01:12.844 --> 01:21.433\n當時候的台中市政府有沒有作為我不知道但是我們看到這個女高中生16歲的年紀\n\n01:24.502 --> 01:52.611\n他的爸爸媽媽他的阿公阿嬤非常的傷心這一次他們也針對三年後竟然又發生了東海女大學生也一樣被公車撞死他們更加的悲痛而且發出了很多的心聲你知道三年前這個女高中生她是嘉陽高中的航太機械科她的夢是什麼她希望畢業之後可以進入漢翔我們呢真的\n\n01:54.329 --> 02:19.609\n拜託了漢翔公司去孩子的臨前臨鄉我們送了他榮譽的員工證我們送了一套漢翔的制服給他我們非常心痛的去做這一件事情因為他只能在天堂圓夢他沒有辦法真正實踐他自己的人生夢想這是一個孩子的人生生命可是三年之後\n\n02:21.943 --> 02:43.329\n你的小學妹走在斑馬線我們在道安在各級學校裡面教孩子教我們的國人我們走路要守法要走在斑馬線他守法了但是呢他一樣被公車撞死你那學生的媽媽昨天有發聲明\n\n02:45.433 --> 03:03.053\n難道我們的孩子以後走在路上都要穿的盔甲嗎?部長你聽到這句話你做何感想?當然我自己也有孩子每天也都在街道上走路所以聽到這句話當然相當的難過那作為交通部長這個部分我們責無旁貸我們會來努力\n\n03:03.977 --> 03:28.729\n雖然你才剛接任但是我相信你是台中人你對台中的所有的交通環境不陌生甚至呢擴及到全台灣各縣市的交通環境我們有責任所以過去呢在過去王部長的時代甚至呢在我曾經在商會期當任這個交通委員會的召委的時候我們呢全力訂定了道路交通安全的基本法\n\n03:29.409 --> 03:58.631\n我們三讀通過了我們接著行人的交通安全設施條例也三讀通過了中央該立法中央該修法中央該政策明確找足預算來補助各地方政府來協助各地方政府來完善行人的交通安全甚至呢所有的交通的配套措施這是我們的責任但是\n\n03:59.878 --> 04:06.065\n我們中央法規努力做,預算也編了。部長你認為地方政府有跟上嗎?\n\n04:07.562 --> 04:34.702\n報告委員這個部分其實台中所發生的這個案例我們看到的是一個公車它該停等沒有停等在中央的法令上其實我們也已經有強制性要求大客車跟大貨車在這個過這個馬路要左轉或右轉的時候一定要停等這是強制的而且有罰則這一次這個公車有所謂的輔助系統可是沒有發生功能輔助系統基本上都有裝置\n\n04:35.723 --> 05:01.072\n那但是公車的這個駕駛員到底自己有沒有注意這是一方面那二方面我剛才在講的是強制停等的部分其實我覺得我問部裡面的同仁跟我講說在北部尤其是台北市大家停等的文化跟停等的觀念比較有但確實我自己來自台中我在台中也看到許多的客貨運業者在轉彎的過程當中不一定會停等這個部分其實就是有風險\n\n05:06.017 --> 05:18.450\n我們法令上有了該宣導交通部跟地方政府會一起來努力不過要強制讓司機不敢不停等的狀況底下你就必須要有一些執法面的協助\n\n05:19.471 --> 05:46.653\n讓司機知道說如果假使他不停等會受到嚴厲的懲罰這個部分可能是地方要加強執法的部分這個地方是我們中央地方要加強執法的部分但是有一件事情在行政措施上面是我們中央地方也該做的一件事情比如說臺中市政府每年都有做市區汽車客域的評鑑報告書他每年做喔他從100年一直做喔\n\n05:48.109 --> 06:13.198\n在這個市區的汽車客運評鑑報告書裡面有五大指標其中一項的指標項目就是部長你剛剛講的駕駛員、旅客服務品質與駕駛員管理還有安全也是另外一個指標那我們每年都在做都要求地方政府要做這些客運的評鑑那評鑑服務書出來了之後\n\n06:16.260 --> 06:35.889\n有追蹤嗎?有追蹤嗎?有考核嗎?有確實的要求地方政府去要求這些市區的客運去要求駕駛員嗎?後續有嗎?部長,後續好像沒有你知道更諷刺的是什麼?我找到了一個數字根據剛剛\n\n06:37.890 --> 06:58.211\n我提到的一百一十一年度臺中市市區汽車客運營運及服務評鑑計畫書是在去年的十二月二十二號公布的你知道這一次昭市的劇業劇業劇業竟然是滿分最高分\n\n07:00.185 --> 07:16.102\n我不知道是算錯了還是怎麼樣欸一百一十年度我剛剛很心痛的坐在我太平的女高中生才被這一家客運公司的公車撞死了結果隔年他的這個評鑑他竟然是這樣子的分數\n\n07:21.449 --> 07:43.765\n我們希望地方政府對於客運業者的這個評鑑可以更落實而且要更務實要確實看出因為這個評鑑其實除了要獎勵之外重點是要看出問題在評鑑的過程要看出每一個業者他的問題在哪裡那如果找得出問題就可以克服問題那如果這個評鑑總是分數都很高沒有找出問題那就很可惜\n\n07:44.301 --> 08:02.678\n那部長你可不可以責成我們相關單位我們是不是可以來盤點各地方政府針對市區公車業者的這個所謂的評鑑雖然可能是他地方自治的項目但是我們可不可以就專業來協助各地方政府說那你的評鑑這個服務什麼服務書做得好不好\n\n08:06.101 --> 08:12.364\n做的有沒有後續的一個追蹤、考核有沒有落實那能不能像部長一樣說的我們要從這個評鑑報告書裡面看出他們有什麼問題那有問題我們針對問題中央來協助地方甚至協助客運公司來解決\n\n08:25.615 --> 08:53.320\n我們請市長各位委員報告委員提的這個方向我想我們這個公務局那邊有公共運輸補助計畫我們透過這個公共運輸的一個這個補助的機制來要求各地方政府每年評鑑做完之後必須要請專家學者來做審驗那另外一個部分就是說每年在訂這個評鑑這個指標項目的時候我們也就是說一起來做這個解釋讓每個地方政府要做評鑑的項目一定要切合他這個地方\n\n08:53.980 --> 09:10.838\n這一個包括營運安全所需要的一個部分不是只有在補助款裡面的扣款機制啦我覺得還要再更積極更正向甚至呢更進一步的去輔導甚至呢抓出問題解決問題啦不然你剛剛說扣款部長\n\n09:12.740 --> 09:36.069\n盧市長在臺中市政府也有五大宣示啊五大宣示的其中一個就是說他要去扣款啊扣一百二十萬啊但是部長你看了那五大宣示你覺得能夠改變現行的市區公車這個客運的生態嗎你覺得這五大宣示之後臺中市就不會再有其他的交通意外事故了嗎\n\n09:37.093 --> 09:51.930\n我覺得該有的法令規定當然中央政府跟立法院這邊都相當的努力我們盡量在完善當中那地方的硬體建設的部分跟工程的改善我們也盡量在努力不過有兩個很關鍵的一方面是守法的觀念\n\n09:52.470 --> 10:21.049\n二方面是以業者來說的話對於司機員的管理面跟教育面我覺得這個是重要的地方政府其實可以努力去督促我們給地方政府對於客運的補助其實在給的過程當中我們也會特別去要求地方政府未來在這一塊對於司機員的管理對於客運業者的管理要積極落實部長你剛剛講到一個重點以後表示之前我們的機制強度不夠\n\n10:22.048 --> 10:28.849\n我們中央給地方政府有關這個汽車科技的補助款的時候我們現在的強度不夠嘛\n\n10:30.455 --> 10:54.511\n我們加強了要求我們交通部有專業我們有那麼多學者專家那我一個給補助款的時候就如同我剛剛講的給各地方政府該有的專業指導該有的強度的要求那要求什麼你剛剛講到重點守法的觀念還有客運公司駕駛員的這個安全的一個觀念\n\n10:56.252 --> 11:12.729\n還有要求很多很多那就是強度不夠嘛所以我覺得這個是要用我們政策工具預算補助的這樣的工具我們真的要拿出專業希望中央地方大家一起合作啦不然接下來這一張\n\n11:14.244 --> 11:35.262\n表格,部長,我們各縣市比一比啊,死亡人數台中市都在增加,那我們每年看到這樣子的一個交通事故的死亡人數你作何感想,這每一條生命都是寶貴的,每一條生命背後都有無數傷心的家人跟破碎的家庭\n\n11:36.434 --> 12:02.286\n我們跟台中市政府會一起來努力那剛剛蔡其昌委員也有質詢到這個問題我們中央以管考方面也一直在努力例如說台中確實這段時間他的數字是不好的包含這個路口改善的數字也不夠好然後這個死亡率行人死亡的數字也蠻高的所以我們就會要求他到行政院的這個道安的這個工作彙報來做專案報告\n\n12:04.127 --> 12:22.726\n那報告說他們未來要怎麼樣做改善,這個部分管考的部分我們會積極來要求。責拜託部長,因為你也來自台中,那這一次喪失生命的也是你東海的小學妹,我覺得不管哪一次的事故發生,不管死傷的哪一個人都是一個不幸,我們都希望這不是\n\n12:24.192 --> 12:36.969\n一直發生我希望他是最後一次甚至我希望連一次都不能發生好不好我們中央地方一起來努力一定要保護我們國人行的安全謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.291,"end":5.477,"text":"好 謝謝召委 大家早 我們請陳世凱部長好 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10:30:11","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部、內政部警政署及內政部國土管理署就「行人交通安全改善成效暨道路見警率對於道安事故防範效益與警力配置」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱及國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長杜微就「臺鐵公司化執行情況、獎敘規範暨軌道月台旅客安全規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","id":154889,"gazette":{"lineno":344,"blocks":[["何委員欣純：（10時17分）謝謝召委，大家早，請陳世凱部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["何委員欣純：部長好。"],["陳部長世凱：委員好。"],["何委員欣純：這一次臺中發生了令人非常心痛又遺憾的東海女大學生被公車撞死事件，這位女大學生是部長在東海的小學妹。"],["陳部長世凱：是，所以我也非常的悲痛、非常哀傷。"],["何委員欣純：你也非常的悲痛。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["何委員欣純：你現在身為交通部部長，我更嚴厲的要求我們中央跟地方應該要好好地合作，把行人安全還有道路交通相關的配套……我覺得這個大家都責無旁貸啦！"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["何委員欣純：為什麼呢？尤其你也來自臺中，臺中三年前就發生過一次，也是同一家客運公司，在清水嘉陽高中前面撞死了一個高中生，這個高中生住在太平，父母親、阿公阿嬤都是我的好朋友，三年前我們很心痛、很心痛！當時的臺中市政府有沒有作為我不知道，但是我們看到這個女高中生16歲的年紀，他的爸爸媽媽、他的阿公阿嬤非常的傷心，這一次三年後竟然又發生了東海女大學生也一樣被公車撞死，他們更加的悲痛，而且發出了很多的心聲！你知道三年前這個女高中生是嘉陽高中的航太機械科，他的夢是什麼？他希望畢業之後可以進入漢翔，我們真的拜託了漢翔公司去孩子的靈前捻香，我們送了他榮譽員工證，我們送了一套漢翔的制服給他，我們非常心痛地去做這一件事情，因為他只能在天堂圓夢，他沒有辦法真正實踐他自己的人生夢想，這是一個孩子的人生、生命！可是三年之後，你的小學妹走在斑馬線，我們在道安……在各級學校裡面教孩子、教我們的國人走路要守法，要走在斑馬線，他守法了，但是他一樣被公車撞死，那個學生的媽媽昨天有發聲明，難道我們的孩子以後走在路上都要穿著盔甲嗎？部長，你聽到這一句話，你作何感想？"],["陳部長世凱：當然我自己也有孩子，每天也都在街道上走路，所以聽到這句話當然相當的難過，作為交通部長，這個部分我們責無旁貸，我們會來努力。"],["何委員欣純：雖然你才剛接任，但你是臺中人，我相信你對臺中所有的交通環境不陌生，甚至擴及到全臺灣各縣市的交通環境，我們都有責任。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["何委員欣純：所以過去王部長的時代，甚至我在上會期擔任交通委員會召委的時候，我們全力訂定了道路交通安全基本法，我們三讀通過了，接著行人交通安全設施條例也三讀通過了。中央該立法、中央該修法、中央該政策明確、找足預算來補助各地方政府、協助各地方政府完善行人的交通安全，甚至所有交通的配套措施，這是我們的責任，但是，我們中央法規努力做，預算也編了，部長認為地方政府有跟上嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，關於這個部分，其實臺中所發生的這個案例，我們看到的是一個公車該停等沒有停等，在中央的法令上，其實我們也已經有強制要求大客車跟大貨車在過馬路要左轉或右轉的時候一定要停等，這是強制的，而且有罰則……"],["何委員欣純：這一次這個公車有所謂的輔助系統，可是沒有發生功能。"],["陳部長世凱：輔助系統基本上都有裝置，但是公車駕駛員到底自己有沒有注意，這是一方面，二方面，我剛才在講的是強制停等的部分，我問部裡面的同仁，他們跟我講在北部，尤其是臺北市，大家比較有停等的文化跟觀念，但確實我自己來自臺中，我在臺中也看到許多的客貨運業者在轉彎的過程當中，不一定會停等，這個部分其實就是有風險……"],["何委員欣純：這個就是我們要去加強的部分，怎麼去要求、怎麼樣去宣導……"],["陳部長世凱：是，我們的法令上有了，該宣導的交通部跟地方政府會一起來努力，不過，如果要強制讓司機不敢不停等，就必須要有一些執法面的協助，讓司機知道假使他不停等，會受到嚴厲的懲罰，這個部分可能是地方要加強執法的部分。"],["何委員欣純：這個地方是我們中央、地方要加強執法的部分，但是有一件事情在行政措施上面是我們中央、地方也該做的，譬如說臺中市政府每年都有做市區汽車客運評鑑報告書，他每年做喔！他從100年一直做，但在這個市區汽車客運評鑑報告書裡面有五大指標，其中一項的指標項目就是部長你剛剛講的駕駛員，旅客服務品質與駕駛員管理，還有安全也是另外一個指標，我們每年都要求地方政府要做這些客運的評鑑，評鑑服務書出來了之後，有follow嗎？有追蹤嗎？有考核嗎？有確實要求地方政府去要求這些市區客運去要求駕駛員嗎？後續有嗎？部長，後續好像沒有，你知道更諷刺的是什麼？我找到了一個數字，根據剛剛我提到的，111年度臺中市市區汽車客運營運及服務評鑑計畫書是在去年12月22號公布的，你知道這一次肇事的巨業竟然是滿分最高分！我不知道是算錯了還是怎麼樣，我剛剛很心痛的住在太平的女高中生，才被這家客運公司的公車撞死了，結果隔年它的評鑑竟然是這樣子的分數，部長你看到這個……"],["陳部長世凱：我們希望地方政府對於客運業者的評鑑可以更落實，而且要更務實，要確實看出，因為這個評鑑其實除了獎勵之外，重點是要看出問題，在評鑑的過程要看出每一個業者的問題在哪裡，如果找得出問題就可以克服問題，但如果這個評鑑總是分數都很高，沒有找出問題，那就很可惜。"],["何委員欣純：部長，你可不可以責成相關單位，我們是不是可以來盤點各地方政府針對市區公車業者所謂的評鑑？雖然可能是地方自治的項目，但是我們可不可以就專業來協助各地方政府看這個評鑑服務書做得好不好、有沒有後續的追蹤考核、有沒有落實？能不能像部長說的一樣，我們要從這個評鑑報告書裡面看出他們有什麼問題，有問題我們就針對問題，中央來協助地方，甚至協助客運公司來解決。"],["陳部長世凱：我們請司長。"],["林司長福山：跟委員報告，委員提的這個方向，公路局有公共運輸補助計畫，我們透過這個公共運輸的補助機制來要求各地方政府每年評鑑做完之後，必須要請專家學者來做審驗，另外一個部分是，每年在訂評鑑指標項目的時候，我們也一起來做這個檢視，讓每個地方政府要做評鑑的項目一定要切合它這個地方，包括營運安全所需要的部分。"],["何委員欣純：不是只有在補助款裡面的扣款機制，我覺得還要再更積極、更正向，甚至更進一步的去輔導，甚至抓出問題、解決問題，不然你剛剛說扣款，部長，盧市長在臺中市政府也有五大宣示，其中一個就是他要去扣款扣120萬，但是部長你看那五大宣示，你覺得能夠改變現行市區公車客運的生態嗎？你覺得這五大宣示之後，臺中市就不會再有其他的交通意外事故了嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：我覺得該有的法令規定，當然中央政府跟立法院這邊都相當的努力，我們儘量在完善當中，地方硬體建設的部分跟工程的改善，我們也儘量在努力，不過有兩個很關鍵的，一方面是守法的觀念，二方面是以業者來說，對於司機員的管理面跟教育面，我覺得這個是重要的，地方政府其實可以努力去督促，我們給地方政府對於客運的補助，其實在給的過程當中，我們也會特別去要求地方政府未來在這一塊，對於司機員的管理、對於客運業者的管理要積極落實。"],["何委員欣純：部長剛剛講到一個重點，以後，表示之前我們的機制強度不夠，我們中央給地方政府有關汽車客運的補助款，現在的強度不夠嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：我們加強來要求。"],["何委員欣純：我們交通部有專業，我們有那麼多學者專家，那我們給補助款的時候就如同我剛剛講的，各地方政府該有的專業指導、該有的強度要求，那要要求什麼？你剛剛講到重點，即守法的觀念還有客運公司駕駛員的安全觀念還有要求，很多很多，那就是強度不夠嘛！所以我覺得這個是要用……"],["陳部長世凱：是，我們會加強強度。"],["何委員欣純：我們的政策工具、預算補助這樣的工具，我們真的要拿出專業，希望中央、地方大家一起合作啦！不然接下來這一張表格，部長，我們各縣市比一比，臺中市的死亡人數都在增加，我們每年看到這樣子的交通事故的死亡人數，你作何感想？這每一條生命都是寶貴的，每一條生命背後都有無數傷心的家人跟破碎的家庭，部長。"],["陳部長世凱：我們跟臺中市政府會一起來努力，剛剛蔡其昌委員也有質詢到這個問題，我們中央在管考方面也一直在努力，譬如說臺中確實這段時間的數字是不好的，包含路口改善的數字也不夠好……"],["何委員欣純：對，接下來這一張，路口改善也是非常沒有效率。"],["陳部長世凱：行人死亡的數字也滿高的，所以我們會要求它到行政院道安工作會報來做專案報告，報告他們未來要怎麼樣改善，這個管考的部分我們會積極來要求。"],["何委員欣純：再拜託部長，因為你也來自臺中，這一次喪失生命的也是你東海的小學妹，我覺得不管哪一次的事故發生，不管死傷的哪一個人都是一個不幸，我們都希望這不是一直發生，我希望它是最後一次，甚至我希望連一次都不能發生，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們來努力。"],["何委員欣純：中央、地方一起來努力，一定要保護我們國人行的安全，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們來努力，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝何委員。","發言之前先作個宣告，待會發言到萬美玲委員截止，我們先休息10分鐘。","接下來有請廖先翔委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":388,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-2","speakers":["魯明哲","蔡其昌","李昆澤","許智傑","何欣純","廖先翔","萬美玲","林沛祥","陳素月","林俊憲","徐富癸","邱若華","游顥","賴士葆","鄭天財Sra 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