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00:00:57,650\n好謝謝部長謝謝委員部長今天算是您就任後第一次來到我們立法院也是教育會第一次來做報告跟備詢那其實從一開始的一些業務報告因為其實您就任的時候那當然有一些可能一些社會的輿論是說可能部長在專業度上面好像不是科班出身的\n\n3\n00:00:57,990 --> 00:01:13,538\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n4\n00:01:18,621 --> 00:01:42,412\n的做一些宣誓可能還是不太夠的啦我是覺得個人有點可惜啦那今天有幾大主題那當然第一個我最關心的還是行人安全的一個部分啦在行人安全的部分當然過去這兩三年來政府投入了非常多的一個資源上百億但是一個客觀的一個統計數據嘛在今年的上半這當然是你就任之前的事啦\n\n5\n00:01:43,112 --> 00:02:03,094\n在今年上半年跟去年同期的行人死亡數還是增加的嗎?還是增加的對不對?那我們有沒有徹底去檢討說為什麼我們政府花了這麼多錢上百億的經費但是我們的行人的A1死亡事故率還是沒有下降?內貿政隊都有部分去做一些科學化的一個客觀數據的檢討\n\n6\n00:02:05,923 --> 00:02:27,088\n報告委員這個部分的數據其實我都有看有仔細的去分析因為發生了事件我們就要去先理解一件事就是為什麼會發生那我們去看的那個數據有21%是汽車未禮讓行人所以發生了不幸的事件有19%是行人未照標示標線\n\n7\n00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:38,035\n這兩項加起來都是違規的狀態有的是車的違規有的是行人的違規最高的是這兩項總共加起來佔了差不多四成所以以科學化來看對於違規的事件我們要怎麼有效的降低這是很重要的一件事\n\n8\n00:02:53,527 --> 00:03:17,076\n那除了這個違規的部分那有沒有針對我們的年齡啊或者是說造勢的車輛的樣態比如說今天討論非常多的是公車或者是說時段白天或者是晚上哪個時段比較容易發生車禍或者是上班的接風時間還是反而是離風的時間容易發生A1的事故那我們是針對這些\n\n9\n00:03:18,937 --> 00:03:43,520\n科學化的客觀的數據我們才能夠對症去下藥因為我們政府已經花很多錢了代表有一些可能是我們過去沒有注意到的東西那這部分有沒有可以再補充加強說明的跟委員報告數據上面來看您也非常的專業也非常的理解其實比較多的是年紀比較長的長者會比較多那以車型來講的話機車所佔的比例差不多佔了六成左右\n\n10\n00:03:43,820 --> 00:04:09,753\n我剛才講的長者差不多佔了4成然後機車的部分佔了6成那發生的時間點不幸事故發生的時間點時常都是早上的6點到8點也就是上班時間之前的這一段可能是長者出來在運動之類的還有就是傍晚的時間可能會比較多一些那這個部分有可能是因為天氣天候開始變暗開始變暗的時候其實風險就會增加那這個部分我們是目前掌握的數據\n\n11\n00:04:10,393 --> 00:04:30,643\n那也就是說除了可能一些客觀的一些路口的一個行人友善設施之外那還是有一些其他因子會提升我們行人或者是交通車輛發生事故的一些原因那我們有沒有針對當然路口的一些友善設施這個是政府花錢編列去補助地方做的沒有錯但是有一些\n\n12\n00:04:31,443 --> 00:04:59,600\n特殊情境的發生事故率高的情況那我們怎麼樣來避免這些高風險族群在高風險的時段或是情境去降低相關的風險?這個部分其實我們也在努力我相信大家都有看到就是這個行人穿越道的退縮的部分的工程我們在努力那讓它發生的機率就可以降低那另外就是說針對高風險的地區或者是學生比較多或是族群的部分\n\n13\n00:05:00,701 --> 00:05:21,781\n對老人家比較多的地方我們可能也會做一些路口讓大家在路標上面看起來比較明顯有不一樣的顏色不一樣的色彩然後再來就是說行人早開實相這個部分或者是行人專用實相這個部分我們也是全國都在推行目前大概有五千多處已經完成尤其這個特殊族群的宣導\n\n14\n00:05:22,822 --> 00:05:39,401\n教育的部分老人家的宣導老人家的教育或是特殊發生事故率高的用車族群的教育的部分有一些委員其實很關心說為什麼這個交通部今年的這個宣傳的預算有增加了不少那我們增加的最高的比例差不多佔了八成到九成\n\n15\n00:05:39,861 --> 00:06:09,441\n就是針對行人的宣導的部分那我們過去的宣導也有發現一個狀況就是說我們過去都蠻重視在網路上面或者其他的這個手機上面的宣導但我們有發現老人家比較會看電視比較會看紙本的文宣所以在未來我們的改善方案裡面就是在宣導跟宣傳的部分增加電視的廣告那增加紙本的廣告甚至可以到公園去跟地方政府合作在公園跟老人家做宣導這個部分我們都會持續來努力\n\n16\n00:06:09,781 --> 00:06:25,609\n好我想這個我想今天最主要的最主要的部分就是提醒說我們既然政府正是這個問題了那全民其實也都非常重視這個問題花了這麼多錢下去結果這個事故的A1死傷率居然沒有下降反而是提升代表有某一些部分\n\n17\n00:06:26,329 --> 00:06:47,712\n是我們過去忽略的我們以為花錢就可以解決事情的但實際上並不是那我們可能需要更深刻去探討他或許每年幾件這是一個統計的數據但是我們必須要去探討他每一件背後發生的原因然後來對症下藥然後才解決它我們政府的經費才不會白花那我可不可以給部長看您願不願意\n\n18\n00:06:49,294 --> 00:07:06,688\n因為畢竟您在就任前這個死亡人數較去年通緝是增加的那您有沒有信心在您就任後的半年您有沒有給自己一個相關的目標希望國內的行人A1的事故在您就任後的半年有一個最起碼的怎樣的一個改善\n\n19\n00:07:08,009 --> 00:07:35,149\n報告委員我們整體的目標因為說實在的你說短期之內要快速的解決我覺得沒有這麼容易但是我們希望在2030年之前能夠讓他的機率降低50%那以整體的不說行人的以整體的這個肇事的死亡死傷率來講的話我們在前半年其實是有達標的是有達標的那我們希望拉一個長段時間來看包含委員剛才在講的工程的努力\n\n20\n00:07:35,509 --> 00:07:36,190\n我們今年希望能夠降7%\n\n21\n00:07:51,122 --> 00:08:10,550\n今年是您的任內的跟去年同期相比還是整年度整年度整年度包含你就任前的部分比上一年度降低百分之七我們希望朝這個方向好百分之七大家一起加油我不會說你沒有達到就要下台怎麼樣但是我希望部長給自己一個目標我們同仁會有更有一個目標來來努力\n\n22\n00:08:13,331 --> 00:08:28,927\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n23\n00:08:33,471 --> 00:08:58,230\n一二零零這個東西是不會動的對不對不受影響不受影響那代表說我們政府的補貼金額是要增加的嘛對不對必然是的是必然的票價增加因為我們的TPUS的原則是一二零零吃到飽對一二零零吃到飽那我們的民眾即便他搭的台鐵的這個用具工具他的價格提高這個部分都由政府來吸收對一部分是中央政府嘛一部分是地方政府那我不確定這一個部分有沒有地方政府已經提出來因為這個是\n\n24\n00:08:59,531 --> 00:09:15,904\n一定是增加地方政府的一個財政支出的一個情形嗎?我們今年漲價的機會是蠻高的應該是這樣子看但是地方政府你們有沒有提前請他們因為地方政府現在也在編經費啦他們有沒有提早你們有沒有告訴他們說需要編列多少經費\n\n25\n00:09:17,565 --> 00:09:36,406\n來支應這個漲價,或者是說,我們交通部,我們台鐵漲價沒關係,那我們也不要增加地方政府的負擔。相關的差額,在明年度的時候,我們交通部必須來把它cover掉。不要讓地方政府增加負擔。跟委員報告,TPAS的部分,它的經費90%是由中央來負擔,10%是由地方來負擔。\n\n26\n00:09:39,349 --> 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謝謝部長謝謝委員部長今天算是您就任後第一次來到我們立法院也是教育會第一次來做報告跟備詢那其實從一開始的一些業務報告因為其實您就任的時候那當然有一些可能一些社會的輿論是說可能部長在專業度上面好像不是科班出身的\n57990\t73538\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n78621\t102412\t的做一些宣誓可能還是不太夠的啦我是覺得個人有點可惜啦那今天有幾大主題那當然第一個我最關心的還是行人安全的一個部分啦在行人安全的部分當然過去這兩三年來政府投入了非常多的一個資源上百億但是一個客觀的一個統計數據嘛在今年的上半這當然是你就任之前的事啦\n103112\t123094\t在今年上半年跟去年同期的行人死亡數還是增加的嗎?還是增加的對不對?那我們有沒有徹底去檢討說為什麼我們政府花了這麼多錢上百億的經費但是我們的行人的A1死亡事故率還是沒有下降?內貿政隊都有部分去做一些科學化的一個客觀數據的檢討\n125923\t147088\t報告委員這個部分的數據其實我都有看有仔細的去分析因為發生了事件我們就要去先理解一件事就是為什麼會發生那我們去看的那個數據有21%是汽車未禮讓行人所以發生了不幸的事件有19%是行人未照標示標線\n150050\t158035\t這兩項加起來都是違規的狀態有的是車的違規有的是行人的違規最高的是這兩項總共加起來佔了差不多四成所以以科學化來看對於違規的事件我們要怎麼有效的降低這是很重要的一件事\n173527\t197076\t那除了這個違規的部分那有沒有針對我們的年齡啊或者是說造勢的車輛的樣態比如說今天討論非常多的是公車或者是說時段白天或者是晚上哪個時段比較容易發生車禍或者是上班的接風時間還是反而是離風的時間容易發生A1的事故那我們是針對這些\n198937\t223520\t科學化的客觀的數據我們才能夠對症去下藥因為我們政府已經花很多錢了代表有一些可能是我們過去沒有注意到的東西那這部分有沒有可以再補充加強說明的跟委員報告數據上面來看您也非常的專業也非常的理解其實比較多的是年紀比較長的長者會比較多那以車型來講的話機車所佔的比例差不多佔了六成左右\n223820\t249753\t我剛才講的長者差不多佔了4成然後機車的部分佔了6成那發生的時間點不幸事故發生的時間點時常都是早上的6點到8點也就是上班時間之前的這一段可能是長者出來在運動之類的還有就是傍晚的時間可能會比較多一些那這個部分有可能是因為天氣天候開始變暗開始變暗的時候其實風險就會增加那這個部分我們是目前掌握的數據\n250393\t270643\t那也就是說除了可能一些客觀的一些路口的一個行人友善設施之外那還是有一些其他因子會提升我們行人或者是交通車輛發生事故的一些原因那我們有沒有針對當然路口的一些友善設施這個是政府花錢編列去補助地方做的沒有錯但是有一些\n271443\t299600\t特殊情境的發生事故率高的情況那我們怎麼樣來避免這些高風險族群在高風險的時段或是情境去降低相關的風險?這個部分其實我們也在努力我相信大家都有看到就是這個行人穿越道的退縮的部分的工程我們在努力那讓它發生的機率就可以降低那另外就是說針對高風險的地區或者是學生比較多或是族群的部分\n300701\t321781\t對老人家比較多的地方我們可能也會做一些路口讓大家在路標上面看起來比較明顯有不一樣的顏色不一樣的色彩然後再來就是說行人早開實相這個部分或者是行人專用實相這個部分我們也是全國都在推行目前大概有五千多處已經完成尤其這個特殊族群的宣導\n322822\t339401\t教育的部分老人家的宣導老人家的教育或是特殊發生事故率高的用車族群的教育的部分有一些委員其實很關心說為什麼這個交通部今年的這個宣傳的預算有增加了不少那我們增加的最高的比例差不多佔了八成到九成\n339861\t369441\t就是針對行人的宣導的部分那我們過去的宣導也有發現一個狀況就是說我們過去都蠻重視在網路上面或者其他的這個手機上面的宣導但我們有發現老人家比較會看電視比較會看紙本的文宣所以在未來我們的改善方案裡面就是在宣導跟宣傳的部分增加電視的廣告那增加紙本的廣告甚至可以到公園去跟地方政府合作在公園跟老人家做宣導這個部分我們都會持續來努力\n369781\t385609\t好我想這個我想今天最主要的最主要的部分就是提醒說我們既然政府正是這個問題了那全民其實也都非常重視這個問題花了這麼多錢下去結果這個事故的A1死傷率居然沒有下降反而是提升代表有某一些部分\n386329\t407712\t是我們過去忽略的我們以為花錢就可以解決事情的但實際上並不是那我們可能需要更深刻去探討他或許每年幾件這是一個統計的數據但是我們必須要去探討他每一件背後發生的原因然後來對症下藥然後才解決它我們政府的經費才不會白花那我可不可以給部長看您願不願意\n409294\t426688\t因為畢竟您在就任前這個死亡人數較去年通緝是增加的那您有沒有信心在您就任後的半年您有沒有給自己一個相關的目標希望國內的行人A1的事故在您就任後的半年有一個最起碼的怎樣的一個改善\n428009\t455149\t報告委員我們整體的目標因為說實在的你說短期之內要快速的解決我覺得沒有這麼容易但是我們希望在2030年之前能夠讓他的機率降低50%那以整體的不說行人的以整體的這個肇事的死亡死傷率來講的話我們在前半年其實是有達標的是有達標的那我們希望拉一個長段時間來看包含委員剛才在講的工程的努力\n455509\t456190\t我們今年希望能夠降7%\n471122\t490550\t今年是您的任內的跟去年同期相比還是整年度整年度整年度包含你就任前的部分比上一年度降低百分之七我們希望朝這個方向好百分之七大家一起加油我不會說你沒有達到就要下台怎麼樣但是我希望部長給自己一個目標我們同仁會有更有一個目標來來努力\n493331\t508927\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n513471\t538230\t一二零零這個東西是不會動的對不對不受影響不受影響那代表說我們政府的補貼金額是要增加的嘛對不對必然是的是必然的票價增加因為我們的TPUS的原則是一二零零吃到飽對一二零零吃到飽那我們的民眾即便他搭的台鐵的這個用具工具他的價格提高這個部分都由政府來吸收對一部分是中央政府嘛一部分是地方政府那我不確定這一個部分有沒有地方政府已經提出來因為這個是\n539531\t555904\t一定是增加地方政府的一個財政支出的一個情形嗎?我們今年漲價的機會是蠻高的應該是這樣子看但是地方政府你們有沒有提前請他們因為地方政府現在也在編經費啦他們有沒有提早你們有沒有告訴他們說需要編列多少經費\n557565\t576406\t來支應這個漲價,或者是說,我們交通部,我們台鐵漲價沒關係,那我們也不要增加地方政府的負擔。相關的差額,在明年度的時候,我們交通部必須來把它cover掉。不要讓地方政府增加負擔。跟委員報告,TPAS的部分,它的經費90%是由中央來負擔,10%是由地方來負擔。\n579349\t601052\t那雖然比例上不高不過未來台鐵如果是漲價之後我們的公路局會再跟地方來做協商盡量不要讓地方增加太多的負擔好那這一點就麻煩好不好希望能夠不要增加地方財政的負擔就不要增加財政的負擔不要變成說好我們中央同意台鐵漲價我們中央也很霸氣的跟民眾說\n602293\t608040\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 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謝謝部長謝謝委員部長今天算是您就任後第一次來到我們立法院也是教育會第一次來做報告跟備詢那其實從一開始的一些業務報告因為其實您就任的時候那當然有一些可能一些社會的輿論是說可能部長在專業度上面好像不是科班出身的\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n的做一些宣誓可能還是不太夠的啦我是覺得個人有點可惜啦那今天有幾大主題那當然第一個我最關心的還是行人安全的一個部分啦在行人安全的部分當然過去這兩三年來政府投入了非常多的一個資源上百億但是一個客觀的一個統計數據嘛在今年的上半這當然是你就任之前的事啦\n在今年上半年跟去年同期的行人死亡數還是增加的嗎?還是增加的對不對?那我們有沒有徹底去檢討說為什麼我們政府花了這麼多錢上百億的經費但是我們的行人的A1死亡事故率還是沒有下降?內貿政隊都有部分去做一些科學化的一個客觀數據的檢討\n報告委員這個部分的數據其實我都有看有仔細的去分析因為發生了事件我們就要去先理解一件事就是為什麼會發生那我們去看的那個數據有21%是汽車未禮讓行人所以發生了不幸的事件有19%是行人未照標示標線\n這兩項加起來都是違規的狀態有的是車的違規有的是行人的違規最高的是這兩項總共加起來佔了差不多四成所以以科學化來看對於違規的事件我們要怎麼有效的降低這是很重要的一件事\n那除了這個違規的部分那有沒有針對我們的年齡啊或者是說造勢的車輛的樣態比如說今天討論非常多的是公車或者是說時段白天或者是晚上哪個時段比較容易發生車禍或者是上班的接風時間還是反而是離風的時間容易發生A1的事故那我們是針對這些\n科學化的客觀的數據我們才能夠對症去下藥因為我們政府已經花很多錢了代表有一些可能是我們過去沒有注意到的東西那這部分有沒有可以再補充加強說明的跟委員報告數據上面來看您也非常的專業也非常的理解其實比較多的是年紀比較長的長者會比較多那以車型來講的話機車所佔的比例差不多佔了六成左右\n我剛才講的長者差不多佔了4成然後機車的部分佔了6成那發生的時間點不幸事故發生的時間點時常都是早上的6點到8點也就是上班時間之前的這一段可能是長者出來在運動之類的還有就是傍晚的時間可能會比較多一些那這個部分有可能是因為天氣天候開始變暗開始變暗的時候其實風險就會增加那這個部分我們是目前掌握的數據\n那也就是說除了可能一些客觀的一些路口的一個行人友善設施之外那還是有一些其他因子會提升我們行人或者是交通車輛發生事故的一些原因那我們有沒有針對當然路口的一些友善設施這個是政府花錢編列去補助地方做的沒有錯但是有一些\n特殊情境的發生事故率高的情況那我們怎麼樣來避免這些高風險族群在高風險的時段或是情境去降低相關的風險?這個部分其實我們也在努力我相信大家都有看到就是這個行人穿越道的退縮的部分的工程我們在努力那讓它發生的機率就可以降低那另外就是說針對高風險的地區或者是學生比較多或是族群的部分\n對老人家比較多的地方我們可能也會做一些路口讓大家在路標上面看起來比較明顯有不一樣的顏色不一樣的色彩然後再來就是說行人早開實相這個部分或者是行人專用實相這個部分我們也是全國都在推行目前大概有五千多處已經完成尤其這個特殊族群的宣導\n教育的部分老人家的宣導老人家的教育或是特殊發生事故率高的用車族群的教育的部分有一些委員其實很關心說為什麼這個交通部今年的這個宣傳的預算有增加了不少那我們增加的最高的比例差不多佔了八成到九成\n就是針對行人的宣導的部分那我們過去的宣導也有發現一個狀況就是說我們過去都蠻重視在網路上面或者其他的這個手機上面的宣導但我們有發現老人家比較會看電視比較會看紙本的文宣所以在未來我們的改善方案裡面就是在宣導跟宣傳的部分增加電視的廣告那增加紙本的廣告甚至可以到公園去跟地方政府合作在公園跟老人家做宣導這個部分我們都會持續來努力\n好我想這個我想今天最主要的最主要的部分就是提醒說我們既然政府正是這個問題了那全民其實也都非常重視這個問題花了這麼多錢下去結果這個事故的A1死傷率居然沒有下降反而是提升代表有某一些部分\n是我們過去忽略的我們以為花錢就可以解決事情的但實際上並不是那我們可能需要更深刻去探討他或許每年幾件這是一個統計的數據但是我們必須要去探討他每一件背後發生的原因然後來對症下藥然後才解決它我們政府的經費才不會白花那我可不可以給部長看您願不願意\n因為畢竟您在就任前這個死亡人數較去年通緝是增加的那您有沒有信心在您就任後的半年您有沒有給自己一個相關的目標希望國內的行人A1的事故在您就任後的半年有一個最起碼的怎樣的一個改善\n報告委員我們整體的目標因為說實在的你說短期之內要快速的解決我覺得沒有這麼容易但是我們希望在2030年之前能夠讓他的機率降低50%那以整體的不說行人的以整體的這個肇事的死亡死傷率來講的話我們在前半年其實是有達標的是有達標的那我們希望拉一個長段時間來看包含委員剛才在講的工程的努力\n我們今年希望能夠降7%\n今年是您的任內的跟去年同期相比還是整年度整年度整年度包含你就任前的部分比上一年度降低百分之七我們希望朝這個方向好百分之七大家一起加油我不會說你沒有達到就要下台怎麼樣但是我希望部長給自己一個目標我們同仁會有更有一個目標來來努力\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n一二零零這個東西是不會動的對不對不受影響不受影響那代表說我們政府的補貼金額是要增加的嘛對不對必然是的是必然的票價增加因為我們的TPUS的原則是一二零零吃到飽對一二零零吃到飽那我們的民眾即便他搭的台鐵的這個用具工具他的價格提高這個部分都由政府來吸收對一部分是中央政府嘛一部分是地方政府那我不確定這一個部分有沒有地方政府已經提出來因為這個是\n一定是增加地方政府的一個財政支出的一個情形嗎?我們今年漲價的機會是蠻高的應該是這樣子看但是地方政府你們有沒有提前請他們因為地方政府現在也在編經費啦他們有沒有提早你們有沒有告訴他們說需要編列多少經費\n來支應這個漲價,或者是說,我們交通部,我們台鐵漲價沒關係,那我們也不要增加地方政府的負擔。相關的差額,在明年度的時候,我們交通部必須來把它cover掉。不要讓地方政府增加負擔。跟委員報告,TPAS的部分,它的經費90%是由中央來負擔,10%是由地方來負擔。\n那雖然比例上不高不過未來台鐵如果是漲價之後我們的公路局會再跟地方來做協商盡量不要讓地方增加太多的負擔好那這一點就麻煩好不好希望能夠不要增加地方財政的負擔就不要增加財政的負擔不要變成說好我們中央同意台鐵漲價我們中央也很霸氣的跟民眾說\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.384 --> 00:04.647\n好,謝謝召委,麻煩邀請我們的陳部長。好,有請陳部長。部長,部長,建議一下,你回到位置一下,不是我,因為立法院,不管是你到其他委員會,麻煩是不是起立徵求發言,我想以前議會也是一樣,好不好。先起立,然後徵求發言,好,請,謝謝。\n\n00:32.571 --> 00:57.650\n好謝謝部長謝謝委員部長今天算是您就任後第一次來到我們立法院也是教育會第一次來做報告跟備詢那其實從一開始的一些業務報告因為其實您就任的時候那當然有一些可能一些社會的輿論是說可能部長在專業度上面好像不是科班出身的\n\n00:57.990 --> 01:13.538\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n01:18.621 --> 01:42.412\n的做一些宣誓可能還是不太夠的啦我是覺得個人有點可惜啦那今天有幾大主題那當然第一個我最關心的還是行人安全的一個部分啦在行人安全的部分當然過去這兩三年來政府投入了非常多的一個資源上百億但是一個客觀的一個統計數據嘛在今年的上半這當然是你就任之前的事啦\n\n01:43.112 --> 02:03.094\n在今年上半年跟去年同期的行人死亡數還是增加的嗎?還是增加的對不對?那我們有沒有徹底去檢討說為什麼我們政府花了這麼多錢上百億的經費但是我們的行人的A1死亡事故率還是沒有下降?內貿政隊都有部分去做一些科學化的一個客觀數據的檢討\n\n02:05.923 --> 02:27.088\n報告委員這個部分的數據其實我都有看有仔細的去分析因為發生了事件我們就要去先理解一件事就是為什麼會發生那我們去看的那個數據有21%是汽車未禮讓行人所以發生了不幸的事件有19%是行人未照標示標線\n\n02:30.050 --> 02:38.035\n這兩項加起來都是違規的狀態有的是車的違規有的是行人的違規最高的是這兩項總共加起來佔了差不多四成所以以科學化來看對於違規的事件我們要怎麼有效的降低這是很重要的一件事\n\n02:53.527 --> 03:17.076\n那除了這個違規的部分那有沒有針對我們的年齡啊或者是說造勢的車輛的樣態比如說今天討論非常多的是公車或者是說時段白天或者是晚上哪個時段比較容易發生車禍或者是上班的接風時間還是反而是離風的時間容易發生A1的事故那我們是針對這些\n\n03:18.937 --> 03:43.520\n科學化的客觀的數據我們才能夠對症去下藥因為我們政府已經花很多錢了代表有一些可能是我們過去沒有注意到的東西那這部分有沒有可以再補充加強說明的跟委員報告數據上面來看您也非常的專業也非常的理解其實比較多的是年紀比較長的長者會比較多那以車型來講的話機車所佔的比例差不多佔了六成左右\n\n03:43.820 --> 04:09.753\n我剛才講的長者差不多佔了4成然後機車的部分佔了6成那發生的時間點不幸事故發生的時間點時常都是早上的6點到8點也就是上班時間之前的這一段可能是長者出來在運動之類的還有就是傍晚的時間可能會比較多一些那這個部分有可能是因為天氣天候開始變暗開始變暗的時候其實風險就會增加那這個部分我們是目前掌握的數據\n\n04:10.393 --> 04:30.643\n那也就是說除了可能一些客觀的一些路口的一個行人友善設施之外那還是有一些其他因子會提升我們行人或者是交通車輛發生事故的一些原因那我們有沒有針對當然路口的一些友善設施這個是政府花錢編列去補助地方做的沒有錯但是有一些\n\n04:31.443 --> 04:59.600\n特殊情境的發生事故率高的情況那我們怎麼樣來避免這些高風險族群在高風險的時段或是情境去降低相關的風險?這個部分其實我們也在努力我相信大家都有看到就是這個行人穿越道的退縮的部分的工程我們在努力那讓它發生的機率就可以降低那另外就是說針對高風險的地區或者是學生比較多或是族群的部分\n\n05:00.701 --> 05:21.781\n對老人家比較多的地方我們可能也會做一些路口讓大家在路標上面看起來比較明顯有不一樣的顏色不一樣的色彩然後再來就是說行人早開實相這個部分或者是行人專用實相這個部分我們也是全國都在推行目前大概有五千多處已經完成尤其這個特殊族群的宣導\n\n05:22.822 --> 05:39.401\n教育的部分老人家的宣導老人家的教育或是特殊發生事故率高的用車族群的教育的部分有一些委員其實很關心說為什麼這個交通部今年的這個宣傳的預算有增加了不少那我們增加的最高的比例差不多佔了八成到九成\n\n05:39.861 --> 06:09.441\n就是針對行人的宣導的部分那我們過去的宣導也有發現一個狀況就是說我們過去都蠻重視在網路上面或者其他的這個手機上面的宣導但我們有發現老人家比較會看電視比較會看紙本的文宣所以在未來我們的改善方案裡面就是在宣導跟宣傳的部分增加電視的廣告那增加紙本的廣告甚至可以到公園去跟地方政府合作在公園跟老人家做宣導這個部分我們都會持續來努力\n\n06:09.781 --> 06:25.609\n好我想這個我想今天最主要的最主要的部分就是提醒說我們既然政府正是這個問題了那全民其實也都非常重視這個問題花了這麼多錢下去結果這個事故的A1死傷率居然沒有下降反而是提升代表有某一些部分\n\n06:26.329 --> 06:47.712\n是我們過去忽略的我們以為花錢就可以解決事情的但實際上並不是那我們可能需要更深刻去探討他或許每年幾件這是一個統計的數據但是我們必須要去探討他每一件背後發生的原因然後來對症下藥然後才解決它我們政府的經費才不會白花那我可不可以給部長看您願不願意\n\n06:49.294 --> 07:06.688\n因為畢竟您在就任前這個死亡人數較去年通緝是增加的那您有沒有信心在您就任後的半年您有沒有給自己一個相關的目標希望國內的行人A1的事故在您就任後的半年有一個最起碼的怎樣的一個改善\n\n07:08.009 --> 07:35.149\n報告委員我們整體的目標因為說實在的你說短期之內要快速的解決我覺得沒有這麼容易但是我們希望在2030年之前能夠讓他的機率降低50%那以整體的不說行人的以整體的這個肇事的死亡死傷率來講的話我們在前半年其實是有達標的是有達標的那我們希望拉一個長段時間來看包含委員剛才在講的工程的努力\n\n07:35.509 --> 07:36.190\n我們今年希望能夠降7%\n\n07:51.122 --> 08:10.550\n今年是您的任內的跟去年同期相比還是整年度整年度整年度包含你就任前的部分比上一年度降低百分之七我們希望朝這個方向好百分之七大家一起加油我不會說你沒有達到就要下台怎麼樣但是我希望部長給自己一個目標我們同仁會有更有一個目標來來努力\n\n08:13.331 --> 08:28.927\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n08:33.471 --> 08:58.230\n一二零零這個東西是不會動的對不對不受影響不受影響那代表說我們政府的補貼金額是要增加的嘛對不對必然是的是必然的票價增加因為我們的TPUS的原則是一二零零吃到飽對一二零零吃到飽那我們的民眾即便他搭的台鐵的這個用具工具他的價格提高這個部分都由政府來吸收對一部分是中央政府嘛一部分是地方政府那我不確定這一個部分有沒有地方政府已經提出來因為這個是\n\n08:59.531 --> 09:15.904\n一定是增加地方政府的一個財政支出的一個情形嗎?我們今年漲價的機會是蠻高的應該是這樣子看但是地方政府你們有沒有提前請他們因為地方政府現在也在編經費啦他們有沒有提早你們有沒有告訴他們說需要編列多少經費\n\n09:17.565 --> 09:36.406\n來支應這個漲價,或者是說,我們交通部,我們台鐵漲價沒關係,那我們也不要增加地方政府的負擔。相關的差額,在明年度的時候,我們交通部必須來把它cover掉。不要讓地方政府增加負擔。跟委員報告,TPAS的部分,它的經費90%是由中央來負擔,10%是由地方來負擔。\n\n09:39.349 --> 10:01.052\n那雖然比例上不高不過未來台鐵如果是漲價之後我們的公路局會再跟地方來做協商盡量不要讓地方增加太多的負擔好那這一點就麻煩好不好希望能夠不要增加地方財政的負擔就不要增加財政的負擔不要變成說好我們中央同意台鐵漲價我們中央也很霸氣的跟民眾說\n\n10:02.293 --> 10:08.040\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.384,"end":4.647,"text":"好,謝謝召委,麻煩邀請我們的陳部長。好,有請陳部長。部長,部長,建議一下,你回到位置一下,不是我,因為立法院,不管是你到其他委員會,麻煩是不是起立徵求發言,我想以前議會也是一樣,好不好。先起立,然後徵求發言,好,請,謝謝。"},{"start":32.571,"end":57.65,"text":"好 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