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00:02:44,038\n交通部在今年113年預算在道路交通安全的向下你編列了6.05億辦理第14期行政院頒訂的道路交通秩序與交通安全改進方案的這些業務嘛對不對好112年也編了6.7億這兩年編的\n\n9\n00:02:49,485 --> 00:03:05,632\n都相較於111年的3.08億增加了3億好我們再看111年底行政院合訂了校園周邊際道路行車安全改善計畫由內政部跟交通部分別編列了41.5億跟3.5億那麼之後又有\n\n10\n00:03:09,033 --> 00:03:35,351\n永續提升人行安全計畫這個四年計畫,部長應該知道嗎?好,113年到116年總經費來到了400億由內政部跟交通部分別匡列了260億跟140億本席為什麼以上在談這些背景一方面因為部長要聆聽那我不知道這些數字,部長已經知不知道了我必須讓您知道但更重要的是,以上換句話說就是\n\n11\n00:03:36,151 --> 00:03:59,862\n當我們要改善這些交通尤其是在行人這個事情上面政府你們是要法我們給法你們要錢我們給錢你們希望修法我們修法你們希望要經費我們給經費但是呢行人死傷的人數還是逐年的增加那我相信許許多多我們所有的委員不管是不是交通委員會的委員每一個人都非常關心那也問過這個歷任的交通部長\n\n12\n00:04:02,443 --> 00:04:23,960\n這個問題一而再再而三其實在這個委員會裡面一直都在好像似乎沒有辦法解決那您上任了以後大家對您當然有很高度的期許因為大家都在質疑說您不是交通的背景還有過去的經歷好像跟交通都沒有關係但是本行今天並不在這件事情上面對你存有非常大的質疑因為我們還是願意給你機會給你這個時間去把它好好做好不過\n\n13\n00:04:28,263 --> 00:04:33,908\n您已經上任第一時間您提出了解決方案真的讓我們瞠目結舌啊您竟然說要改善是要提高見警率啊加強取締啊這個就是你還沒解決一個問題你又帶出了另外一個問題啊我覺得非常不可思議喔\n\n14\n00:04:43,837 --> 00:05:04,110\n我不知道這在引起這個輿論一片嘩然之後你有沒有覺得非常的懊惱覺得怎麼會提出這樣子那等一下我把它講完待會留時間給您我想取締絕對是交通上面的一個手段而不是目的啦安全才是這個我們一定都有這個共識所以呢你當初把它提出來的時候交通沒有解決反而我覺得警戒一片炸鍋啦來部長\n\n15\n00:05:05,071 --> 00:05:24,711\n好謝謝委員感謝您今天提到這個問題我也一直想要說明這個問題因為坦白說大家有這樣的說法表示什麼表示這是一個很典型的大家只看標題沒看文字的內容如果有仔細看那篇報導的內容在當天的記者會我的說法是第一我們要窮盡所有工程的手段\n\n16\n00:05:25,552 --> 00:05:51,246\n第二、我們要針對教育安全宣導的部分道路安全的教育宣導的部分我們要積極去落實讓道路安全的觀念落實在每一個人的腦海裡第三、由於我剛剛有講過一個數據因為我們行人的這個死亡的部分有佔了四成不管是車的違規或者是行人的違規針對違規的部分佔了四成坦白說要解救任何的人命\n\n17\n00:05:52,186 --> 00:06:15,114\n該做的做法都應該要做所以第三個方案我提出要加強執法而加強執法裡面有科技執法也有見警率的部分我講的其實是完整的這樣子那第四還有一個很重要就是監理的方案這個部分也是交通部一直在努力的但很可惜的是當時的媒體只有取一個標題但內容都有寫到不過更可惜的是有一些\n\n18\n00:06:16,414 --> 00:06:33,900\n朋友大概都沒有看我當時講的內容也沒有看報導內容不是啊我想這個本席其實今天因為外媒人會時間有限但我還是給了你很多時間去做說明感謝那我希望啦你講的很好解決交通的問題每一個面向能做都要做那但是呢我覺得這個有輕重緩急還有能\n\n19\n00:06:35,981 --> 00:06:43,743\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n20\n00:06:56,826 --> 00:06:59,767\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n\n21\n00:07:19,915 --> 00:07:43,805\n我想你一定自己也有注意到因為雖然你身為交通部長但同時你有另外一個身份你也是行人或者你也可能是駕駛人所以我們這幾年看到我們停讓行人其實在現場的執行還是有很多的問題跟困擾那你不管是今天我們禮讓行人在邁馬線上走的時候我們右轉的車輛可能就是後面大塞車大排長龍那甚至於還是有這個駕駛會去搶時間\n\n22\n00:07:46,207 --> 00:08:13,709\n所以我覺得我們看到的是不希望一個政策還沒有解決一個問題行人地域還沒有解決就行車地域又來了我們希望這個問題部長能夠改善積極那最後一點我們去年提交通部要地方優先提報這個義照市入口的改善合計提報799處入口那目前改善245處也就是改善率只有30.6%非常非常的低那這一點呢\n\n23\n00:08:14,249 --> 00:08:27,465\n我想不論是中央不論是地方應該都要配合因為我覺得交通的問題不會分藍綠那任何一個縣市都有可能面對交通帶來的一個困境所以這個30.6%為什麼這麼低我希望會後部長能夠來把這個做一個說明那最後\n\n24\n00:08:33,792 --> 00:08:58,700\n最後本席今天非常的羨慕這個高雄啊非常羨慕許志傑委員啊他今天在這裡啊上來的時候呢不斷的感謝您那我隱約只聽到感謝非常非常多特別是您上任第一天都要到高雄所以他感謝您非常多事情其實我非常非常羨慕啦那當然喔我們桃園啊不知道部長上來來過了嗎去過了來過幾次一次來過一次所以連我們朝委都不知道您來過\n\n25\n00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:15,279\n其實我是自己去看的您自己去看的不是公開的那我想我希望因為您剛上任我們不會苛求不過呢我們總是希望如果其他的縣市都走過您熟悉的台中啦或者是您重視的這個高雄啦我們覺得很棒很好\n\n26\n00:09:16,581 --> 00:09:38,316\n很好很好那我們希望桃園現在有綠線捷運各項捷運在做鐵路地下化延宕了9年那現在問題非常的多同時桃園的這個國道客運的問題相當的嚴重我們希望能不能在這邊我公開的來邀請部長能夠在最短的時間之內跟我們的交委跟我們桃園這邊來做一個聯繫那請部長下來幫我們解決桃園許多的交通問題可以嗎\n\n27\n00:09:43,900 --> 00:10:09,457\n報告委員我昨天有跟召委報告過了隨時他邀請我隨時去我也可以邀請您嗎沒問題沒問題就大家一起因為今天有聽說嘛您這個交通委員會的委員都這個這個拜訪完了那有一些非交通委員會也有拜訪那我想說我辦公室406非常歡迎部長來好不好好最後兩句話您接交通部長我本人非常佩服您的勇氣但是我更想看到您的成績沒問題謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2792\t17442\t謝謝召委,我們有請陳世凱部長好,陳部長好,部長上任到今天第幾天?25天今天來備詢緊不緊張?\n20857\t34647\t過去有12年質詢別人的經驗今天第一次備詢當然有一些需要適應的過程好那我想我們就開始喔我想雖然你過去還沒有上任但是這個交通上面你來了以後應該都有多所去了解111年12月\n36288\t54404\t因為美國媒體CNN的報導將台灣稱作行人地獄所以我想整個國人或者政府整個開始重視我們行人的交通安全所以立法院也要回應這個改善行人安全所以在去年的4月份我們也修正了道路交通管理處罰條例那麼對於不停讓行人加重處罰6000\n57006\t81000\t那去年8月20號的時候部長有沒有注意到我們行人零死亡推動聯盟號召了近3萬人來一個大遊行那麼訴求就是要終結台灣行人交通地域所以12月立法院也馬上三讀通過了道路交通安全基本法將交通事故零死亡的一個願景跟以人為本的主張納入修法這個我想部長應該知道不過呢\n81420\t85622\t一年多過去全國行人死傷人數111年17157人112年來到17660人其中讓人更遺憾痛心的是12歲以下的兒童死傷人數111年972人\n99528\t128701\t一百一十二年一千兩百四十二人他不僅僅是增加而且還雙雙創下五年來的新高這個數字部長雖然剛到任可是要深刻的記在心中那麼這等於什麼每一天平均有四十八位行人其中四位是兒童在台灣的道路上非死即傷而且這個數字的背後我們都知道這代表是一個一個破碎的家庭所以我想這個數字部長我想請您後面那兩位先回座\n130478\t150701\t回座謝謝好這樣子部長比較可以專心啊因為聽說您今天是來聆聽的嘛對不對那我想真的要認真聆聽喔那這個數字喔其實我們觸目驚心您跟我跟我們的國人啊都覺得這樣的數字是不可以存在的其實真的要聆啊那不但沒有聆還不斷去上升喔好我們再來看喔\n151041\t164038\t交通部在今年113年預算在道路交通安全的向下你編列了6.05億辦理第14期行政院頒訂的道路交通秩序與交通安全改進方案的這些業務嘛對不對好112年也編了6.7億這兩年編的\n169485\t185632\t都相較於111年的3.08億增加了3億好 我們再看111年底行政院合訂了校園周邊際道路行車安全改善計畫由內政部跟交通部分別編列了41.5億跟3.5億那麼之後又有\n189033\t215351\t永續提升人行安全計畫這個四年計畫,部長應該知道嗎?好,113年到116年總經費來到了400億由內政部跟交通部分別匡列了260億跟140億本席為什麼以上在談這些背景一方面因為部長要聆聽那我不知道這些數字,部長已經知不知道了我必須讓您知道但更重要的是,以上換句話說就是\n216151\t239862\t當我們要改善這些交通尤其是在行人這個事情上面政府你們是要法我們給法你們要錢我們給錢你們希望修法我們修法你們希望要經費我們給經費但是呢行人死傷的人數還是逐年的增加那我相信許許多多我們所有的委員不管是不是交通委員會的委員每一個人都非常關心那也問過這個歷任的交通部長\n242443\t263960\t這個問題一而再再而三其實在這個委員會裡面一直都在好像似乎沒有辦法解決那您上任了以後大家對您當然有很高度的期許因為大家都在質疑說您不是交通的背景還有過去的經歷好像跟交通都沒有關係但是本行今天並不在這件事情上面對你存有非常大的質疑因為我們還是願意給你機會給你這個時間去把它好好做好不過\n268263\t273908\t您已經上任第一時間您提出了解決方案真的讓我們瞠目結舌啊您竟然說要改善是要提高見警率啊加強取締啊這個就是你還沒解決一個問題你又帶出了另外一個問題啊我覺得非常不可思議喔\n283837\t304110\t我不知道這在引起這個輿論一片嘩然之後你有沒有覺得非常的懊惱覺得怎麼會提出這樣子那等一下我把它講完待會留時間給您我想取締絕對是交通上面的一個手段而不是目的啦安全才是這個我們一定都有這個共識所以呢你當初把它提出來的時候交通沒有解決反而我覺得警戒一片炸鍋啦來部長\n305071\t324711\t好 謝謝委員感謝您今天提到這個問題我也一直想要說明這個問題因為坦白說大家有這樣的說法表示什麼表示這是一個很典型的大家只看標題沒看文字的內容如果有仔細看那篇報導的內容在當天的記者會我的說法是第一我們要窮盡所有工程的手段\n325552\t351246\t第二、我們要針對教育安全宣導的部分道路安全的教育宣導的部分我們要積極去落實讓道路安全的觀念落實在每一個人的腦海裡第三、由於我剛剛有講過一個數據因為我們行人的這個死亡的部分有佔了四成不管是車的違規或者是行人的違規針對違規的部分佔了四成坦白說要解救任何的人命\n352186\t375114\t該做的做法都應該要做所以第三個方案我提出要加強執法而加強執法裡面有科技執法也有見警率的部分我講的其實是完整的這樣子那第四還有一個很重要就是監理的方案這個部分也是交通部一直在努力的但很可惜的是當時的媒體只有取一個標題但內容都有寫到不過更可惜的是有一些\n376414\t393900\t朋友大概都沒有看我當時講的內容也沒有看報導內容不是啊我想這個本席其實今天因為外媒人會時間有限但我還是給了你很多時間去做說明感謝那我希望啦你講的很好解決交通的問題每一個面向能做都要做那但是呢我覺得這個有輕重緩急還有能\n395981\t403743\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n416826\t419767\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n439915\t463805\t我想你一定自己也有注意到因為雖然你身為交通部長但同時你有另外一個身份你也是行人或者你也可能是駕駛人所以我們這幾年看到我們停讓行人其實在現場的執行還是有很多的問題跟困擾那你不管是今天我們禮讓行人在邁馬線上走的時候我們右轉的車輛可能就是後面大塞車大排長龍那甚至於還是有這個駕駛會去搶時間\n466207\t493709\t所以我覺得我們看到的是不希望一個政策還沒有解決一個問題行人地域還沒有解決就行車地域又來了我們希望這個問題部長能夠改善積極那最後一點我們去年提交通部要地方優先提報這個義照市入口的改善合計提報799處入口那目前改善245處也就是改善率只有30.6%非常非常的低那這一點呢\n494249\t507465\t我想不論是中央不論是地方應該都要配合因為我覺得交通的問題不會分藍綠那任何一個縣市都有可能面對交通帶來的一個困境所以這個30.6%為什麼這麼低我希望會後部長能夠來把這個做一個說明那最後\n513792\t538700\t最後本席今天非常的羨慕這個高雄啊非常羨慕許志傑委員啊他今天在這裡啊上來的時候呢不斷的感謝您那我隱約只聽到感謝非常非常多特別是您上任第一天都要到高雄所以他感謝您非常多事情其實我非常非常羨慕啦那當然喔我們桃園啊不知道部長上來來過了嗎去過了來過幾次一次來過一次所以連我們朝委都不知道您來過\n539560\t555279\t其實我是自己去看的您自己去看的不是公開的那我想我希望因為您剛上任我們不會苛求不過呢我們總是希望如果其他的縣市都走過您熟悉的台中啦或者是您重視的這個高雄啦我們覺得很棒很好\n556581\t578316\t很好很好那我們希望桃園現在有綠線捷運各項捷運在做鐵路地下化延宕了9年那現在問題非常的多同時桃園的這個國道客運的問題相當的嚴重我們希望能不能在這邊我公開的來邀請部長能夠在最短的時間之內跟我們的交委跟我們桃園這邊來做一個聯繫那請部長下來幫我們解決桃園許多的交通問題可以嗎\n583900\t609457\t報告委員我昨天有跟召委報告過了隨時他邀請我隨時去我也可以邀請您嗎沒問題沒問題就大家一起因為今天有聽說嘛您這個交通委員會的委員都這個這個拜訪完了那有一些非交通委員會也有拜訪那我想說我辦公室406非常歡迎部長來好不好好最後兩句話您接交通部長我本人非常佩服您的勇氣但是我更想看到您的成績沒問題謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝召委,我們有請陳世凱部長好,陳部長好,部長上任到今天第幾天?25天今天來備詢緊不緊張?\n過去有12年質詢別人的經驗今天第一次備詢當然有一些需要適應的過程好那我想我們就開始喔我想雖然你過去還沒有上任但是這個交通上面你來了以後應該都有多所去了解111年12月\n因為美國媒體CNN的報導將台灣稱作行人地獄所以我想整個國人或者政府整個開始重視我們行人的交通安全所以立法院也要回應這個改善行人安全所以在去年的4月份我們也修正了道路交通管理處罰條例那麼對於不停讓行人加重處罰6000\n那去年8月20號的時候部長有沒有注意到我們行人零死亡推動聯盟號召了近3萬人來一個大遊行那麼訴求就是要終結台灣行人交通地域所以12月立法院也馬上三讀通過了道路交通安全基本法將交通事故零死亡的一個願景跟以人為本的主張納入修法這個我想部長應該知道不過呢\n一年多過去全國行人死傷人數111年17157人112年來到17660人其中讓人更遺憾痛心的是12歲以下的兒童死傷人數111年972人\n一百一十二年一千兩百四十二人他不僅僅是增加而且還雙雙創下五年來的新高這個數字部長雖然剛到任可是要深刻的記在心中那麼這等於什麼每一天平均有四十八位行人其中四位是兒童在台灣的道路上非死即傷而且這個數字的背後我們都知道這代表是一個一個破碎的家庭所以我想這個數字部長我想請您後面那兩位先回座\n回座謝謝好這樣子部長比較可以專心啊因為聽說您今天是來聆聽的嘛對不對那我想真的要認真聆聽喔那這個數字喔其實我們觸目驚心您跟我跟我們的國人啊都覺得這樣的數字是不可以存在的其實真的要聆啊那不但沒有聆還不斷去上升喔好我們再來看喔\n交通部在今年113年預算在道路交通安全的向下你編列了6.05億辦理第14期行政院頒訂的道路交通秩序與交通安全改進方案的這些業務嘛對不對好112年也編了6.7億這兩年編的\n都相較於111年的3.08億增加了3億好 我們再看111年底行政院合訂了校園周邊際道路行車安全改善計畫由內政部跟交通部分別編列了41.5億跟3.5億那麼之後又有\n永續提升人行安全計畫這個四年計畫,部長應該知道嗎?好,113年到116年總經費來到了400億由內政部跟交通部分別匡列了260億跟140億本席為什麼以上在談這些背景一方面因為部長要聆聽那我不知道這些數字,部長已經知不知道了我必須讓您知道但更重要的是,以上換句話說就是\n當我們要改善這些交通尤其是在行人這個事情上面政府你們是要法我們給法你們要錢我們給錢你們希望修法我們修法你們希望要經費我們給經費但是呢行人死傷的人數還是逐年的增加那我相信許許多多我們所有的委員不管是不是交通委員會的委員每一個人都非常關心那也問過這個歷任的交通部長\n這個問題一而再再而三其實在這個委員會裡面一直都在好像似乎沒有辦法解決那您上任了以後大家對您當然有很高度的期許因為大家都在質疑說您不是交通的背景還有過去的經歷好像跟交通都沒有關係但是本行今天並不在這件事情上面對你存有非常大的質疑因為我們還是願意給你機會給你這個時間去把它好好做好不過\n您已經上任第一時間您提出了解決方案真的讓我們瞠目結舌啊您竟然說要改善是要提高見警率啊加強取締啊這個就是你還沒解決一個問題你又帶出了另外一個問題啊我覺得非常不可思議喔\n我不知道這在引起這個輿論一片嘩然之後你有沒有覺得非常的懊惱覺得怎麼會提出這樣子那等一下我把它講完待會留時間給您我想取締絕對是交通上面的一個手段而不是目的啦安全才是這個我們一定都有這個共識所以呢你當初把它提出來的時候交通沒有解決反而我覺得警戒一片炸鍋啦來部長\n好 謝謝委員感謝您今天提到這個問題我也一直想要說明這個問題因為坦白說大家有這樣的說法表示什麼表示這是一個很典型的大家只看標題沒看文字的內容如果有仔細看那篇報導的內容在當天的記者會我的說法是第一我們要窮盡所有工程的手段\n第二、我們要針對教育安全宣導的部分道路安全的教育宣導的部分我們要積極去落實讓道路安全的觀念落實在每一個人的腦海裡第三、由於我剛剛有講過一個數據因為我們行人的這個死亡的部分有佔了四成不管是車的違規或者是行人的違規針對違規的部分佔了四成坦白說要解救任何的人命\n該做的做法都應該要做所以第三個方案我提出要加強執法而加強執法裡面有科技執法也有見警率的部分我講的其實是完整的這樣子那第四還有一個很重要就是監理的方案這個部分也是交通部一直在努力的但很可惜的是當時的媒體只有取一個標題但內容都有寫到不過更可惜的是有一些\n朋友大概都沒有看我當時講的內容也沒有看報導內容不是啊我想這個本席其實今天因為外媒人會時間有限但我還是給了你很多時間去做說明感謝那我希望啦你講的很好解決交通的問題每一個面向能做都要做那但是呢我覺得這個有輕重緩急還有能\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n我想你一定自己也有注意到因為雖然你身為交通部長但同時你有另外一個身份你也是行人或者你也可能是駕駛人所以我們這幾年看到我們停讓行人其實在現場的執行還是有很多的問題跟困擾那你不管是今天我們禮讓行人在邁馬線上走的時候我們右轉的車輛可能就是後面大塞車大排長龍那甚至於還是有這個駕駛會去搶時間\n所以我覺得我們看到的是不希望一個政策還沒有解決一個問題行人地域還沒有解決就行車地域又來了我們希望這個問題部長能夠改善積極那最後一點我們去年提交通部要地方優先提報這個義照市入口的改善合計提報799處入口那目前改善245處也就是改善率只有30.6%非常非常的低那這一點呢\n我想不論是中央不論是地方應該都要配合因為我覺得交通的問題不會分藍綠那任何一個縣市都有可能面對交通帶來的一個困境所以這個30.6%為什麼這麼低我希望會後部長能夠來把這個做一個說明那最後\n最後本席今天非常的羨慕這個高雄啊非常羨慕許志傑委員啊他今天在這裡啊上來的時候呢不斷的感謝您那我隱約只聽到感謝非常非常多特別是您上任第一天都要到高雄所以他感謝您非常多事情其實我非常非常羨慕啦那當然喔我們桃園啊不知道部長上來來過了嗎去過了來過幾次一次來過一次所以連我們朝委都不知道您來過\n其實我是自己去看的您自己去看的不是公開的那我想我希望因為您剛上任我們不會苛求不過呢我們總是希望如果其他的縣市都走過您熟悉的台中啦或者是您重視的這個高雄啦我們覺得很棒很好\n很好很好那我們希望桃園現在有綠線捷運各項捷運在做鐵路地下化延宕了9年那現在問題非常的多同時桃園的這個國道客運的問題相當的嚴重我們希望能不能在這邊我公開的來邀請部長能夠在最短的時間之內跟我們的交委跟我們桃園這邊來做一個聯繫那請部長下來幫我們解決桃園許多的交通問題可以嗎\n報告委員我昨天有跟召委報告過了隨時他邀請我隨時去我也可以邀請您嗎沒問題沒問題就大家一起因為今天有聽說嘛您這個交通委員會的委員都這個這個拜訪完了那有一些非交通委員會也有拜訪那我想說我辦公室406非常歡迎部長來好不好好最後兩句話您接交通部長我本人非常佩服您的勇氣但是我更想看到您的成績沒問題謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.792 --> 00:17.442\n謝謝召委,我們有請陳世凱部長好,陳部長好,部長上任到今天第幾天?25天今天來備詢緊不緊張?\n\n00:20.857 --> 00:34.647\n過去有12年質詢別人的經驗今天第一次備詢當然有一些需要適應的過程好那我想我們就開始喔我想雖然你過去還沒有上任但是這個交通上面你來了以後應該都有多所去了解111年12月\n\n00:36.288 --> 00:54.404\n因為美國媒體CNN的報導將台灣稱作行人地獄所以我想整個國人或者政府整個開始重視我們行人的交通安全所以立法院也要回應這個改善行人安全所以在去年的4月份我們也修正了道路交通管理處罰條例那麼對於不停讓行人加重處罰6000\n\n00:57.006 --> 01:21.000\n那去年8月20號的時候部長有沒有注意到我們行人零死亡推動聯盟號召了近3萬人來一個大遊行那麼訴求就是要終結台灣行人交通地域所以12月立法院也馬上三讀通過了道路交通安全基本法將交通事故零死亡的一個願景跟以人為本的主張納入修法這個我想部長應該知道不過呢\n\n01:21.420 --> 01:25.622\n一年多過去全國行人死傷人數111年17157人112年來到17660人其中讓人更遺憾痛心的是12歲以下的兒童死傷人數111年972人\n\n01:39.528 --> 02:08.701\n一百一十二年一千兩百四十二人他不僅僅是增加而且還雙雙創下五年來的新高這個數字部長雖然剛到任可是要深刻的記在心中那麼這等於什麼每一天平均有四十八位行人其中四位是兒童在台灣的道路上非死即傷而且這個數字的背後我們都知道這代表是一個一個破碎的家庭所以我想這個數字部長我想請您後面那兩位先回座\n\n02:10.478 --> 02:30.701\n回座謝謝好這樣子部長比較可以專心啊因為聽說您今天是來聆聽的嘛對不對那我想真的要認真聆聽喔那這個數字喔其實我們觸目驚心您跟我跟我們的國人啊都覺得這樣的數字是不可以存在的其實真的要聆啊那不但沒有聆還不斷去上升喔好我們再來看喔\n\n02:31.041 --> 02:44.038\n交通部在今年113年預算在道路交通安全的向下你編列了6.05億辦理第14期行政院頒訂的道路交通秩序與交通安全改進方案的這些業務嘛對不對好112年也編了6.7億這兩年編的\n\n02:49.485 --> 03:05.632\n都相較於111年的3.08億增加了3億好我們再看111年底行政院合訂了校園周邊際道路行車安全改善計畫由內政部跟交通部分別編列了41.5億跟3.5億那麼之後又有\n\n03:09.033 --> 03:35.351\n永續提升人行安全計畫這個四年計畫,部長應該知道嗎?好,113年到116年總經費來到了400億由內政部跟交通部分別匡列了260億跟140億本席為什麼以上在談這些背景一方面因為部長要聆聽那我不知道這些數字,部長已經知不知道了我必須讓您知道但更重要的是,以上換句話說就是\n\n03:36.151 --> 03:59.862\n當我們要改善這些交通尤其是在行人這個事情上面政府你們是要法我們給法你們要錢我們給錢你們希望修法我們修法你們希望要經費我們給經費但是呢行人死傷的人數還是逐年的增加那我相信許許多多我們所有的委員不管是不是交通委員會的委員每一個人都非常關心那也問過這個歷任的交通部長\n\n04:02.443 --> 04:23.960\n這個問題一而再再而三其實在這個委員會裡面一直都在好像似乎沒有辦法解決那您上任了以後大家對您當然有很高度的期許因為大家都在質疑說您不是交通的背景還有過去的經歷好像跟交通都沒有關係但是本行今天並不在這件事情上面對你存有非常大的質疑因為我們還是願意給你機會給你這個時間去把它好好做好不過\n\n04:28.263 --> 04:33.908\n您已經上任第一時間您提出了解決方案真的讓我們瞠目結舌啊您竟然說要改善是要提高見警率啊加強取締啊這個就是你還沒解決一個問題你又帶出了另外一個問題啊我覺得非常不可思議喔\n\n04:43.837 --> 05:04.110\n我不知道這在引起這個輿論一片嘩然之後你有沒有覺得非常的懊惱覺得怎麼會提出這樣子那等一下我把它講完待會留時間給您我想取締絕對是交通上面的一個手段而不是目的啦安全才是這個我們一定都有這個共識所以呢你當初把它提出來的時候交通沒有解決反而我覺得警戒一片炸鍋啦來部長\n\n05:05.071 --> 05:24.711\n好謝謝委員感謝您今天提到這個問題我也一直想要說明這個問題因為坦白說大家有這樣的說法表示什麼表示這是一個很典型的大家只看標題沒看文字的內容如果有仔細看那篇報導的內容在當天的記者會我的說法是第一我們要窮盡所有工程的手段\n\n05:25.552 --> 05:51.246\n第二、我們要針對教育安全宣導的部分道路安全的教育宣導的部分我們要積極去落實讓道路安全的觀念落實在每一個人的腦海裡第三、由於我剛剛有講過一個數據因為我們行人的這個死亡的部分有佔了四成不管是車的違規或者是行人的違規針對違規的部分佔了四成坦白說要解救任何的人命\n\n05:52.186 --> 06:15.114\n該做的做法都應該要做所以第三個方案我提出要加強執法而加強執法裡面有科技執法也有見警率的部分我講的其實是完整的這樣子那第四還有一個很重要就是監理的方案這個部分也是交通部一直在努力的但很可惜的是當時的媒體只有取一個標題但內容都有寫到不過更可惜的是有一些\n\n06:16.414 --> 06:33.900\n朋友大概都沒有看我當時講的內容也沒有看報導內容不是啊我想這個本席其實今天因為外媒人會時間有限但我還是給了你很多時間去做說明感謝那我希望啦你講的很好解決交通的問題每一個面向能做都要做那但是呢我覺得這個有輕重緩急還有能\n\n06:35.981 --> 06:43.743\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n06:56.826 --> 06:59.767\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n\n07:19.915 --> 07:43.805\n我想你一定自己也有注意到因為雖然你身為交通部長但同時你有另外一個身份你也是行人或者你也可能是駕駛人所以我們這幾年看到我們停讓行人其實在現場的執行還是有很多的問題跟困擾那你不管是今天我們禮讓行人在邁馬線上走的時候我們右轉的車輛可能就是後面大塞車大排長龍那甚至於還是有這個駕駛會去搶時間\n\n07:46.207 --> 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