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00:02:31,771\n我們等一下馬上用CCV先看現在新聞上面都在報你要拿這個新聞一點都不難好不好因為我有點急委員如果有需要會看交通部一定配合好謝謝然後再來齁其實我要談的上次也是主要的就是有關剛剛萬美玲外委員有提到桃園的國道客運是有一些很明顯的問題的\n\n7\n00:02:33,132 --> 00:02:59,979\n那我也知道公務總局有一些應對的方法針對短程的客運但是這一點來講的話我就必須在這邊跟公務總局講一句話你們的宣傳可能嚴重不足那不理因為如果說這個短程的國道客運寄費方式補貼已經有改善那為什麼萬委員會不知道為什麼那個邱若驊委員會不知道為什麼桃園的委員不知道這些事情\n\n8\n00:03:01,946 --> 00:03:09,916\n這個應該是主動你們去跟這些委員們說明而不是我今天問出來我因為我一直在追這個案子劉委員那邊也說劉委員有跟我講劉許廷劉委員跟我講說這邊可能補貼的不夠但是\n\n9\n00:03:16,073 --> 00:03:35,009\n這位不管怎麼樣你們這不管怎麼樣桃園跟基隆都是一樣有國道客運來台北上班可是因為短時間在尖峰時段人潮擁擠可是平常沒人做的狀況所以我知道你們有補貼機制但是你們有沒有去問過這些除了問過基隆的委員我本人之外你們有問過這些跟這些桃園的委員報告過嗎\n\n10\n00:03:38,089 --> 00:03:57,455\n跟委員報告,因為這一個就是國道客運的這一個運價的一個調整的話在今年的五月份那因為短途包括基隆跟桃園它的特性又特別不一樣所以就是說它在這個五月我們通過之後我們這個九月我們又有另外一個短途通勤的這一個\n\n11\n00:03:58,075 --> 00:04:23,880\n客運再調整那我想我會再跟監理所我會到跟當地的委員多那我會希望說局長跟部長這邊既然你們有做這些事情應該跟委員報告沒有錯應該讓當地的委員都知道因為你們如果跟委員們主動講委員們才會跟民眾講民意代表就是代表民意沒錯而我們是這整個城市的民意代表算是比較算是比較大中的那如果我們幫你們做宣傳\n\n12\n00:04:24,820 --> 00:04:40,767\n如果我不會針對只是說不好的事情我來做監督如果好的事情我覺得民意代表也會有一定程度的權限跟責任來去幫政府把好這個部分交通部應該要來加強可是我現在既然那個局長已經上來了我必須在這邊再提到說上次我提過兩個問題兩個議題\n\n13\n00:04:43,288 --> 00:05:03,283\n第一個議題就是有關基隆市因為基隆市的通勤人口是應該如果以比例來講是全台灣最高的那全台灣最高之外那我們現在目前來講如果說台鐵因為我知道等一下請台鐵杜董事長準備上台台鐵目前先不要講說目前基層的員工的抱怨有關有關薪資制度的問題但是目前來講台鐵誤點蠻嚴重的\n\n14\n00:05:07,281 --> 00:05:31,466\n尤其在基隆到台北早上上班的時候我已經跟國防市長已經合力要求加班但是目前狀況還是很嚴重而且我現在目前知道最新的消息是我本來預估的一萬兩千人的這個台鐵搭台鐵往返基隆風情上班跟上課現在已經銳減成為八千人左右也就是說這多出來四千人不是做國道刻印就是自己開車\n\n15\n00:05:33,123 --> 00:05:54,605\n所以我們很明顯的可以看到現在每天早上上班的時候基本上從6點半6點45分開始高速公路就會塞車那這一點來講的話其實台鐵如果台鐵你們加班次也好還是解決霧點的問題的時候其實對於整個基隆市的通勤是會絕對有幫助的好謝謝杜董事長先講一下看有沒有加班的計畫\n\n16\n00:05:55,970 --> 00:06:19,591\n沒有跟委員報告那個我沒有注意到這個情形這八千人的這個通勤營量是往下掉本來是一萬二現在往下掉到八千足足減了差不多將近百分之五十是但是這個我們車上就是並沒有擁擠的情形所以說這個應該跟加班董事長沒有擁擠的情形就代表民眾對於台鐵失去信心啊\n\n17\n00:06:21,205 --> 00:06:41,831\n如果說像國道客運我想局長可以直接講每一個國道客運1815、1813、1813D每一個都是滿班如果說滿班的話如果台鐵如果位置很空的話那就代表什麼代表一般民眾不想坐台鐵因為他們不確定會不會到的聯環跟委員報告所以委員剛剛講的沒錯這個真的是需要檢討\n\n18\n00:06:43,972 --> 00:07:00,544\n加班不是唯一的選項我們現在是要把準點率把它拉出來讓我們的旅客能夠再回流到我們台鐵進行通勤通學的搭乘我是直接問什麼時候你們會有改善方案什麼時候我們可以看到成效\n\n19\n00:07:01,684 --> 00:07:24,731\n怎麼樣可以讓基隆的通勤族坐台鐵可以說一小時然後真的知道一小時從基隆火車站可以直接到台北火車站而且不會誤點到一小時半有沒有機會有什麼時候給我答案我想我們把整體的我們的改善的情形整理好以後就跟委員報告好嗎好\n\n20\n00:07:25,491 --> 00:07:52,319\n我這邊還是要跟局長因為現在鐵路的乘客量往下掉變成說大家都是自己開車或者坐國道客運所以我之前跟你提過的1815、157、918、1813D這三條酷限可能要加班次甚至你本來甚至你目前有補助的1573跟9026這五條路線都可能要加班次而9026的經營不善這點對我來講其實我一直在一直長期在關注著這點我希望局長這邊能夠\n\n21\n00:07:53,639 --> 00:08:03,072\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n22\n00:08:11,303 --> 00:08:29,216\n但是尷尬的地方就是人口增長都是在中山區都是在西邊中山區那邊而西邊中山區那邊現在有一個大型的建案那邊有2500戶變成是說那邊的人如果全部讓這2500戶全部來台北上班全部都開車你就會有1200台以上的小客車\n\n23\n00:08:31,377 --> 00:08:59,716\n那這樣對於台北市的交通或整個高速公路上面的交通會有很大的衝擊所以這邊上次我有跟那個局長講請局長主動而且積極的去尋求可能性從中山區這邊可以直接到南港的國道客運或者是區間車這樣才能實質上的利用國道客運然後把我們的公共運我們的大眾運具的運載量往上提最重要的是讓高速公路不會那麼再塞車局長\n\n24\n00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:18,774\n委員所提的這個部分因為新興社區的這個將來衍生出來的這個客運的需求的話那包括就是說是不是要新闢路線或者是委員有路線要做一些調整或增搬的部分我想我們已經在跟這個包括客運業者跟我們的建議所已經在研議了是\n\n25\n00:09:19,494 --> 00:09:43,218\n什麼時候可以給我答案呢這個部分的話我想會盡快我在下週就跟這一個把我們的研議的方案跟委員報告為什麼我有這麼急的原因是那邊其實那邊的社區如果我們不早一點去做先前的準備的話我們那邊的社區人最後面就全部開車上去最後面現在不只在基隆市內交通會塞高速公路也會塞甚至到台北也會塞\n\n26\n00:09:43,618 --> 00:09:48,862\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n27\n00:10:05,333 --> 00:10:33,065\n怎麼講?我也會很樂意說能夠的話來基隆做一次考察報告委員您不用邀請我或要求我因為您剛剛說的那個新興社區就在我岳母家的旁邊我太太帶小朋友要回娘家也是搭那邊的客運那你知道那邊的客運現在最高的地方是那個客運站在那個客運站在之前就載滿了啦所以來是沒有辦法載的那你知道如果部長知道這個狀況的話我們就請局長跟各個相關單位集結群我時常會去基隆再找委員\n\n28\n00:10:34,106 --> 00:10:34,288\n好,謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n429\t22314\t有請陳部長有請陳部長部長抱歉目前這個是時事題目前您知道在基隆市基金一路這邊的交流道目前正在淹水嗎?\n23868\t50781\t這個我沒有掌握到請高工局局長上台高工局局長先上台現在這個時刻嗎現在這個時間點我想現在這個時間我不知道這下應該是東森新聞現在正在報現在在高速公路的交流道上面淹水應該是基金一路上國道南下交流道已經經建小河不知道你有沒有掌握這個狀況我剛剛在開會之前我打電話給你剛好你沒有接到\n52318\t78536\t而且這個是高空局因為這個交流道是我在當議員的時候辦過三次會刊那針對這邊排水 排水對 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謝謝然後再來齁其實我要談的上次也是主要的就是有關剛剛萬美玲外委員有提到桃園的國道客運是有一些很明顯的問題的\n153132\t179979\t那我也知道公務總局有一些應對的方法針對短程的客運但是這一點來講的話我就必須在這邊跟公務總局講一句話你們的宣傳可能嚴重不足那不理因為如果說這個短程的國道客運寄費方式補貼已經有改善那為什麼萬委員會不知道為什麼那個邱若驊委員會不知道為什麼桃園的委員不知道這些事情\n181946\t189916\t這個應該是主動你們去跟這些委員們說明而不是我今天問出來我因為我一直在追這個案子劉委員那邊也說劉委員有跟我講劉許廷劉委員跟我講說這邊可能補貼的不夠但是\n196073\t215009\t這位不管怎麼樣你們這不管怎麼樣桃園跟基隆都是一樣有國道客運來台北上班可是因為短時間在尖峰時段人潮擁擠可是平常沒人做的狀況所以我知道你們有補貼機制但是你們有沒有去問過這些除了問過基隆的委員我本人之外你們有問過這些跟這些桃園的委員報告過嗎\n218089\t237455\t跟委員報告,因為這一個就是國道客運的這一個運價的一個調整的話在今年的五月份那因為短途包括基隆跟桃園它的特性又特別不一樣所以就是說它在這個五月我們通過之後我們這個九月我們又有另外一個短途通勤的這一個\n238075\t263880\t客運再調整那我想我會再跟監理所我會到跟當地的委員多那我會希望說局長跟部長這邊既然你們有做這些事情應該跟委員報告沒有錯應該讓當地的委員都知道因為你們如果跟委員們主動講委員們才會跟民眾講民意代表就是代表民意沒錯而我們是這整個城市的民意代表算是比較算是比較大中的那如果我們幫你們做宣傳\n264820\t280767\t如果我不會針對只是說不好的事情我來做監督如果好的事情我覺得民意代表也會有一定程度的權限跟責任來去幫政府把好這個部分交通部應該要來加強可是我現在既然那個局長已經上來了我必須在這邊再提到說上次我提過兩個問題兩個議題\n283288\t303283\t第一個議題就是有關基隆市因為基隆市的通勤人口是應該如果以比例來講是全台灣最高的那全台灣最高之外那我們現在目前來講如果說台鐵因為我知道等一下請台鐵杜董事長準備上台台鐵目前先不要講說目前基層的員工的抱怨有關有關薪資制度的問題但是目前來講台鐵誤點蠻嚴重的\n307281\t331466\t尤其在基隆到台北早上上班的時候我已經跟國防市長已經合力要求加班但是目前狀況還是很嚴重而且我現在目前知道最新的消息是我本來預估的一萬兩千人的這個台鐵搭台鐵往返基隆風情上班跟上課現在已經銳減成為八千人左右也就是說這多出來四千人不是做國道刻印就是自己開車\n333123\t354605\t所以我們很明顯的可以看到現在每天早上上班的時候基本上從6點半6點45分開始高速公路就會塞車那這一點來講的話其實台鐵如果台鐵你們加班次也好還是解決霧點的問題的時候其實對於整個基隆市的通勤是會絕對有幫助的好 謝謝杜董事長先講一下看有沒有加班的計畫\n355970\t379591\t沒有 跟委員報告 那個我沒有注意到這個情形這八千人的這個通勤營量是往下掉 本來是一萬二現在往下掉到八千足足減了差不多將近百分之五十是 但是這個我們車上就是並沒有擁擠的情形所以說 這個應該跟加班董事長 沒有擁擠的情形就代表民眾對於台鐵失去信心啊\n381205\t401831\t如果說像國道客運我想局長可以直接講每一個國道客運1815、1813、1813D每一個都是滿班如果說滿班的話如果台鐵如果位置很空的話那就代表什麼代表一般民眾不想坐台鐵因為他們不確定會不會到的聯環跟委員報告所以委員剛剛講的沒錯這個真的是需要檢討\n403972\t420544\t加班不是唯一的選項我們現在是要把準點率把它拉出來讓我們的旅客能夠再回流到我們台鐵進行通勤通學的搭乘我是直接問什麼時候你們會有改善方案什麼時候我們可以看到成效\n421684\t444731\t怎麼樣可以讓基隆的通勤族坐台鐵可以說一小時然後真的知道一小時從基隆火車站可以直接到台北火車站而且不會誤點到一小時半有沒有機會有什麼時候給我答案我想我們把整體的我們的改善的情形整理好以後就跟委員報告好嗎好\n445491\t472319\t我這邊還是要跟局長因為現在鐵路的乘客量往下掉變成說大家都是自己開車或者坐國道客運所以我之前跟你提過的1815、157、918、1813D這三條酷限可能要加班次甚至你本來甚至你目前有補助的1573跟9026這五條路線都可能要加班次而9026的經營不善這點對我來講其實我一直在一直長期在關注著這點我希望局長這邊能夠\n473639\t483072\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n491303\t509216\t但是尷尬的地方就是人口增長都是在中山區都是在西邊中山區那邊而西邊中山區那邊現在有一個大型的建案那邊有2500戶變成是說那邊的人如果全部讓這2500戶全部來台北上班全部都開車你就會有1200台以上的小客車\n511377\t539716\t那這樣對於台北市的交通或整個高速公路上面的交通會有很大的衝擊所以這邊上次我有跟那個局長講請局長主動而且積極的去尋求可能性從中山區這邊可以直接到南港的國道客運或者是區間車這樣才能實質上的利用國道客運然後把我們的公共運我們的大眾運具的運載量往上提最重要的是讓高速公路不會那麼再塞車局長\n541880\t558774\t委員所提的這個部分因為新興社區的這個將來衍生出來的這個客運的需求的話那包括就是說是不是要新闢路線或者是委員有路線要做一些調整或增搬的部分我想我們已經在跟這個包括客運業者跟我們的建議所已經在研議了是\n559494\t583218\t什麼時候可以給我答案呢這個部分的話我想會盡快我在下週就跟這一個把我們的研議的方案跟委員報告為什麼我有這麼急的原因是那邊其實那邊的社區如果我們不早一點去做先前的準備的話我們那邊的社區人最後面就全部開車上去最後面現在不只在基隆市內交通會塞高速公路也會塞甚至到台北也會塞\n583618\t588862\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n605333\t633065\t怎麼講?我也會很樂意說能夠的話來基隆做一次考察報告委員您不用邀請我或要求我因為您剛剛說的那個新興社區就在我岳母家的旁邊我太太帶小朋友要回娘家也是搭那邊的客運那你知道那邊的客運現在最高的地方是那個客運站在那個客運站在之前就載滿了啦所以來是沒有辦法載的那你知道如果部長知道這個狀況的話我們就請局長跟各個相關單位集結群我時常會去基隆再找委員\n634106\t634288\t好,謝謝部長\n","txt":"有請陳部長有請陳部長部長抱歉目前這個是時事題目前您知道在基隆市基金一路這邊的交流道目前正在淹水嗎?\n這個我沒有掌握到請高工局局長上台高工局局長先上台現在這個時刻嗎現在這個時間點我想現在這個時間我不知道這下應該是東森新聞現在正在報現在在高速公路的交流道上面淹水應該是基金一路上國道南下交流道已經經建小河不知道你有沒有掌握這個狀況我剛剛在開會之前我打電話給你剛好你沒有接到\n而且這個是高空局因為這個交流道是我在當議員的時候辦過三次會刊那針對這邊排水 排水對 報告委員這個應該是在基金一路上面的不是我們在那個閘道上的沒有 閘道上也有閘道上的部分是那個是水流那個不會到淹水的一個地方已經淹了 你可以看那個新聞你可以看到在交流道上面有淹水那我想說我不管怎麼樣因為這部分沒有說到妨礙到那個通行所以大家老師有 因為已經有車泡水了\n所以說我不知道說我們今天在這邊辯論的結果是什麼但是我們現在趕快確認然後趕快去解決問題因為老實說我這個問題已經是我這已經辦過兩次但是當初當議員的時候已經辦過兩次會刊但是後來是高工取方面來講比較老實講如果今天不當立法委員基隆也不會有人跟你講說那邊的事情高工取需要負一些責任\n所以我在這邊直接就講說局長我們當初你來找我的時候我並不知道豪大雨會再度發生那現在颱風要來了豪大雨現在基隆全區都有可能淹水那包括等一下公路總區包括公路總區基辛一路目前也有淹水的狀況所以針對這一點的話我想未來等雨勢停了之後我們需要辦一些會刊我會邀請市政府一起來一個會刊解決這次的問題可以嗎\n我們等一下馬上用CCV先看現在新聞上面都在報你要拿這個新聞一點都不難好不好因為我有點急委員如果有需要會看交通部一定配合好 謝謝然後再來齁其實我要談的上次也是主要的就是有關剛剛萬美玲外委員有提到桃園的國道客運是有一些很明顯的問題的\n那我也知道公務總局有一些應對的方法針對短程的客運但是這一點來講的話我就必須在這邊跟公務總局講一句話你們的宣傳可能嚴重不足那不理因為如果說這個短程的國道客運寄費方式補貼已經有改善那為什麼萬委員會不知道為什麼那個邱若驊委員會不知道為什麼桃園的委員不知道這些事情\n這個應該是主動你們去跟這些委員們說明而不是我今天問出來我因為我一直在追這個案子劉委員那邊也說劉委員有跟我講劉許廷劉委員跟我講說這邊可能補貼的不夠但是\n這位不管怎麼樣你們這不管怎麼樣桃園跟基隆都是一樣有國道客運來台北上班可是因為短時間在尖峰時段人潮擁擠可是平常沒人做的狀況所以我知道你們有補貼機制但是你們有沒有去問過這些除了問過基隆的委員我本人之外你們有問過這些跟這些桃園的委員報告過嗎\n跟委員報告,因為這一個就是國道客運的這一個運價的一個調整的話在今年的五月份那因為短途包括基隆跟桃園它的特性又特別不一樣所以就是說它在這個五月我們通過之後我們這個九月我們又有另外一個短途通勤的這一個\n客運再調整那我想我會再跟監理所我會到跟當地的委員多那我會希望說局長跟部長這邊既然你們有做這些事情應該跟委員報告沒有錯應該讓當地的委員都知道因為你們如果跟委員們主動講委員們才會跟民眾講民意代表就是代表民意沒錯而我們是這整個城市的民意代表算是比較算是比較大中的那如果我們幫你們做宣傳\n如果我不會針對只是說不好的事情我來做監督如果好的事情我覺得民意代表也會有一定程度的權限跟責任來去幫政府把好這個部分交通部應該要來加強可是我現在既然那個局長已經上來了我必須在這邊再提到說上次我提過兩個問題兩個議題\n第一個議題就是有關基隆市因為基隆市的通勤人口是應該如果以比例來講是全台灣最高的那全台灣最高之外那我們現在目前來講如果說台鐵因為我知道等一下請台鐵杜董事長準備上台台鐵目前先不要講說目前基層的員工的抱怨有關有關薪資制度的問題但是目前來講台鐵誤點蠻嚴重的\n尤其在基隆到台北早上上班的時候我已經跟國防市長已經合力要求加班但是目前狀況還是很嚴重而且我現在目前知道最新的消息是我本來預估的一萬兩千人的這個台鐵搭台鐵往返基隆風情上班跟上課現在已經銳減成為八千人左右也就是說這多出來四千人不是做國道刻印就是自己開車\n所以我們很明顯的可以看到現在每天早上上班的時候基本上從6點半6點45分開始高速公路就會塞車那這一點來講的話其實台鐵如果台鐵你們加班次也好還是解決霧點的問題的時候其實對於整個基隆市的通勤是會絕對有幫助的好 謝謝杜董事長先講一下看有沒有加班的計畫\n沒有 跟委員報告 那個我沒有注意到這個情形這八千人的這個通勤營量是往下掉 本來是一萬二現在往下掉到八千足足減了差不多將近百分之五十是 但是這個我們車上就是並沒有擁擠的情形所以說 這個應該跟加班董事長 沒有擁擠的情形就代表民眾對於台鐵失去信心啊\n如果說像國道客運我想局長可以直接講每一個國道客運1815、1813、1813D每一個都是滿班如果說滿班的話如果台鐵如果位置很空的話那就代表什麼代表一般民眾不想坐台鐵因為他們不確定會不會到的聯環跟委員報告所以委員剛剛講的沒錯這個真的是需要檢討\n加班不是唯一的選項我們現在是要把準點率把它拉出來讓我們的旅客能夠再回流到我們台鐵進行通勤通學的搭乘我是直接問什麼時候你們會有改善方案什麼時候我們可以看到成效\n怎麼樣可以讓基隆的通勤族坐台鐵可以說一小時然後真的知道一小時從基隆火車站可以直接到台北火車站而且不會誤點到一小時半有沒有機會有什麼時候給我答案我想我們把整體的我們的改善的情形整理好以後就跟委員報告好嗎好\n我這邊還是要跟局長因為現在鐵路的乘客量往下掉變成說大家都是自己開車或者坐國道客運所以我之前跟你提過的1815、157、918、1813D這三條酷限可能要加班次甚至你本來甚至你目前有補助的1573跟9026這五條路線都可能要加班次而9026的經營不善這點對我來講其實我一直在一直長期在關注著這點我希望局長這邊能夠\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n但是尷尬的地方就是人口增長都是在中山區都是在西邊中山區那邊而西邊中山區那邊現在有一個大型的建案那邊有2500戶變成是說那邊的人如果全部讓這2500戶全部來台北上班全部都開車你就會有1200台以上的小客車\n那這樣對於台北市的交通或整個高速公路上面的交通會有很大的衝擊所以這邊上次我有跟那個局長講請局長主動而且積極的去尋求可能性從中山區這邊可以直接到南港的國道客運或者是區間車這樣才能實質上的利用國道客運然後把我們的公共運我們的大眾運具的運載量往上提最重要的是讓高速公路不會那麼再塞車局長\n委員所提的這個部分因為新興社區的這個將來衍生出來的這個客運的需求的話那包括就是說是不是要新闢路線或者是委員有路線要做一些調整或增搬的部分我想我們已經在跟這個包括客運業者跟我們的建議所已經在研議了是\n什麼時候可以給我答案呢這個部分的話我想會盡快我在下週就跟這一個把我們的研議的方案跟委員報告為什麼我有這麼急的原因是那邊其實那邊的社區如果我們不早一點去做先前的準備的話我們那邊的社區人最後面就全部開車上去最後面現在不只在基隆市內交通會塞高速公路也會塞甚至到台北也會塞\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就:「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n怎麼講?我也會很樂意說能夠的話來基隆做一次考察報告委員您不用邀請我或要求我因為您剛剛說的那個新興社區就在我岳母家的旁邊我太太帶小朋友要回娘家也是搭那邊的客運那你知道那邊的客運現在最高的地方是那個客運站在那個客運站在之前就載滿了啦所以來是沒有辦法載的那你知道如果部長知道這個狀況的話我們就請局長跟各個相關單位集結群我時常會去基隆再找委員\n好,謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.429 --> 00:22.314\n有請陳部長有請陳部長部長抱歉目前這個是時事題目前您知道在基隆市基金一路這邊的交流道目前正在淹水嗎?\n\n00:23.868 --> 00:50.781\n這個我沒有掌握到請高工局局長上台高工局局長先上台現在這個時刻嗎現在這個時間點我想現在這個時間我不知道這下應該是東森新聞現在正在報現在在高速公路的交流道上面淹水應該是基金一路上國道南下交流道已經經建小河不知道你有沒有掌握這個狀況我剛剛在開會之前我打電話給你剛好你沒有接到\n\n00:52.318 --> 01:18.536\n而且這個是高空局因為這個交流道是我在當議員的時候辦過三次會刊那針對這邊排水排水對報告委員這個應該是在基金一路上面的不是我們在那個閘道上的沒有閘道上也有閘道上的部分是那個是水流那個不會到淹水的一個地方已經淹了你可以看那個新聞你可以看到在交流道上面有淹水那我想說我不管怎麼樣因為這部分沒有說到妨礙到那個通行所以大家老師有因為已經有車泡水了\n\n01:19.076 --> 01:40.515\n所以說我不知道說我們今天在這邊辯論的結果是什麼但是我們現在趕快確認然後趕快去解決問題因為老實說我這個問題已經是我這已經辦過兩次但是當初當議員的時候已經辦過兩次會刊但是後來是高工取方面來講比較老實講如果今天不當立法委員基隆也不會有人跟你講說那邊的事情高工取需要負一些責任\n\n01:42.754 --> 02:08.212\n所以我在這邊直接就講說局長我們當初你來找我的時候我並不知道豪大雨會再度發生那現在颱風要來了豪大雨現在基隆全區都有可能淹水那包括等一下公路總區包括公路總區基辛一路目前也有淹水的狀況所以針對這一點的話我想未來等雨勢停了之後我們需要辦一些會刊我會邀請市政府一起來一個會刊解決這次的問題可以嗎\n\n02:09.153 --> 02:31.771\n我們等一下馬上用CCV先看現在新聞上面都在報你要拿這個新聞一點都不難好不好因為我有點急委員如果有需要會看交通部一定配合好謝謝然後再來齁其實我要談的上次也是主要的就是有關剛剛萬美玲外委員有提到桃園的國道客運是有一些很明顯的問題的\n\n02:33.132 --> 02:59.979\n那我也知道公務總局有一些應對的方法針對短程的客運但是這一點來講的話我就必須在這邊跟公務總局講一句話你們的宣傳可能嚴重不足那不理因為如果說這個短程的國道客運寄費方式補貼已經有改善那為什麼萬委員會不知道為什麼那個邱若驊委員會不知道為什麼桃園的委員不知道這些事情\n\n03:01.946 --> 03:09.916\n這個應該是主動你們去跟這些委員們說明而不是我今天問出來我因為我一直在追這個案子劉委員那邊也說劉委員有跟我講劉許廷劉委員跟我講說這邊可能補貼的不夠但是\n\n03:16.073 --> 03:35.009\n這位不管怎麼樣你們這不管怎麼樣桃園跟基隆都是一樣有國道客運來台北上班可是因為短時間在尖峰時段人潮擁擠可是平常沒人做的狀況所以我知道你們有補貼機制但是你們有沒有去問過這些除了問過基隆的委員我本人之外你們有問過這些跟這些桃園的委員報告過嗎\n\n03:38.089 --> 03:57.455\n跟委員報告,因為這一個就是國道客運的這一個運價的一個調整的話在今年的五月份那因為短途包括基隆跟桃園它的特性又特別不一樣所以就是說它在這個五月我們通過之後我們這個九月我們又有另外一個短途通勤的這一個\n\n03:58.075 --> 04:23.880\n客運再調整那我想我會再跟監理所我會到跟當地的委員多那我會希望說局長跟部長這邊既然你們有做這些事情應該跟委員報告沒有錯應該讓當地的委員都知道因為你們如果跟委員們主動講委員們才會跟民眾講民意代表就是代表民意沒錯而我們是這整個城市的民意代表算是比較算是比較大中的那如果我們幫你們做宣傳\n\n04:24.820 --> 04:40.767\n如果我不會針對只是說不好的事情我來做監督如果好的事情我覺得民意代表也會有一定程度的權限跟責任來去幫政府把好這個部分交通部應該要來加強可是我現在既然那個局長已經上來了我必須在這邊再提到說上次我提過兩個問題兩個議題\n\n04:43.288 --> 05:03.283\n第一個議題就是有關基隆市因為基隆市的通勤人口是應該如果以比例來講是全台灣最高的那全台灣最高之外那我們現在目前來講如果說台鐵因為我知道等一下請台鐵杜董事長準備上台台鐵目前先不要講說目前基層的員工的抱怨有關有關薪資制度的問題但是目前來講台鐵誤點蠻嚴重的\n\n05:07.281 --> 05:31.466\n尤其在基隆到台北早上上班的時候我已經跟國防市長已經合力要求加班但是目前狀況還是很嚴重而且我現在目前知道最新的消息是我本來預估的一萬兩千人的這個台鐵搭台鐵往返基隆風情上班跟上課現在已經銳減成為八千人左右也就是說這多出來四千人不是做國道刻印就是自己開車\n\n05:33.123 --> 05:54.605\n所以我們很明顯的可以看到現在每天早上上班的時候基本上從6點半6點45分開始高速公路就會塞車那這一點來講的話其實台鐵如果台鐵你們加班次也好還是解決霧點的問題的時候其實對於整個基隆市的通勤是會絕對有幫助的好謝謝杜董事長先講一下看有沒有加班的計畫\n\n05:55.970 --> 06:19.591\n沒有跟委員報告那個我沒有注意到這個情形這八千人的這個通勤營量是往下掉本來是一萬二現在往下掉到八千足足減了差不多將近百分之五十是但是這個我們車上就是並沒有擁擠的情形所以說這個應該跟加班董事長沒有擁擠的情形就代表民眾對於台鐵失去信心啊\n\n06:21.205 --> 06:41.831\n如果說像國道客運我想局長可以直接講每一個國道客運1815、1813、1813D每一個都是滿班如果說滿班的話如果台鐵如果位置很空的話那就代表什麼代表一般民眾不想坐台鐵因為他們不確定會不會到的聯環跟委員報告所以委員剛剛講的沒錯這個真的是需要檢討\n\n06:43.972 --> 07:00.544\n加班不是唯一的選項我們現在是要把準點率把它拉出來讓我們的旅客能夠再回流到我們台鐵進行通勤通學的搭乘我是直接問什麼時候你們會有改善方案什麼時候我們可以看到成效\n\n07:01.684 --> 07:24.731\n怎麼樣可以讓基隆的通勤族坐台鐵可以說一小時然後真的知道一小時從基隆火車站可以直接到台北火車站而且不會誤點到一小時半有沒有機會有什麼時候給我答案我想我們把整體的我們的改善的情形整理好以後就跟委員報告好嗎好\n\n07:25.491 --> 07:52.319\n我這邊還是要跟局長因為現在鐵路的乘客量往下掉變成說大家都是自己開車或者坐國道客運所以我之前跟你提過的1815、157、918、1813D這三條酷限可能要加班次甚至你本來甚至你目前有補助的1573跟9026這五條路線都可能要加班次而9026的經營不善這點對我來講其實我一直在一直長期在關注著這點我希望局長這邊能夠\n\n07:53.639 --> 08:03.072\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n08:11.303 --> 08:29.216\n但是尷尬的地方就是人口增長都是在中山區都是在西邊中山區那邊而西邊中山區那邊現在有一個大型的建案那邊有2500戶變成是說那邊的人如果全部讓這2500戶全部來台北上班全部都開車你就會有1200台以上的小客車\n\n08:31.377 --> 08:59.716\n那這樣對於台北市的交通或整個高速公路上面的交通會有很大的衝擊所以這邊上次我有跟那個局長講請局長主動而且積極的去尋求可能性從中山區這邊可以直接到南港的國道客運或者是區間車這樣才能實質上的利用國道客運然後把我們的公共運我們的大眾運具的運載量往上提最重要的是讓高速公路不會那麼再塞車局長\n\n09:01.880 --> 09:18.774\n委員所提的這個部分因為新興社區的這個將來衍生出來的這個客運的需求的話那包括就是說是不是要新闢路線或者是委員有路線要做一些調整或增搬的部分我想我們已經在跟這個包括客運業者跟我們的建議所已經在研議了是\n\n09:19.494 --> 09:43.218\n什麼時候可以給我答案呢這個部分的話我想會盡快我在下週就跟這一個把我們的研議的方案跟委員報告為什麼我有這麼急的原因是那邊其實那邊的社區如果我們不早一點去做先前的準備的話我們那邊的社區人最後面就全部開車上去最後面現在不只在基隆市內交通會塞高速公路也會塞甚至到台北也會塞\n\n09:43.618 --> 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