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00:02:54,730\n報告委員這些路口其實就是中央跟地方一起選定的799處我們希望能夠快速來進行中央也會如果年底之前完成的話都會做全額的補助跟補貼所以錢的部分是沒有問題不過實際的執行面上面的話大部分是由地方政府來完成以交通部來說的話我們在公路系統也就是省道系統公路的部分是交通部來負責那2000處的部分我們目前的進度是超前的\n\n9\n00:02:55,370 --> 00:03:22,643\n那但是對於地方這個799處的改善的部分應該絕大多數是地方政府那以彰化來說確實數字上比較低那這12件裡面其中有一件是跟交通部有關的那11件是跟國土署有關的那交通部有關的這一件已經完成了那另外還有11件那已經完成了一件是國土署的但還有10件是國土署要補助給彰化縣政府所以這個部分可能彰化縣政府要積極努力\n\n10\n00:03:23,183 --> 00:03:39,800\n是那就是說針對這樣子的目前的一個進度啊我們就是能夠清楚看出來他們的這個執行的比例啊所以對這樣子執行率偏低的狀況我們交通部是不是應該要更積極的去輔導或者協助督促他們能夠盡快的做一個改善\n\n11\n00:03:40,820 --> 00:04:01,632\n這個部分我們每個月像您的這個數據我們每個月都會公告在網路上那其實地方的民意代表也非常關注這個議題所以他們看到這個資訊自然會去跟地方政府去要求跟督促那另外就是說這個部分剩下的彰化剩下的那10件應該改善的路口是跟國土署比較相關那國土署也會應該會盡量協助地方\n\n12\n00:04:05,094 --> 00:04:26,749\n那就是我們交通部宣示就是要從四個面向來改善這個跟提升這個交通安全環境跟這個行人的一個安全可是很遺憾的就是說我們看到這個統計數字今年1到6月我們根據交通部的統計就是整體的交通事故的死亡人數是比去年同期有減少\n\n13\n00:04:27,529 --> 00:04:53,608\n一百四十一人是下降了9%那機車高齡、酒駕及兒少的死亡都有減少可是行人事故的死亡率就是183人反而是比去年同期增加了10人就是這個比例增加了5.8%所以這樣子真的是讓我們覺得非常的遺憾那當然就是說其中我們依據交通部的一個分析這個噪音有就是其中包括就是車輛沒有依規定來\n\n14\n00:04:55,449 --> 00:05:13,400\n暫停這個禮讓行人的部分那當然有行人沒有依標誌或標線來穿越道路這樣子的一個狀況可是就是說車輛位依規定暫停的比例是比較高的所以這部分應該還是要再去加強這個是不是透過監理或教育的一個手段\n\n15\n00:05:14,181 --> 00:05:29,101\n來加強監理跟教育的手段我們都會加強那教育的部分我剛有報告過就是說我們在明年度也就是114年的這個預算裡面我們增加了5000多萬的這個宣導的經費這個部分我們會跟地方政府一起來合作做宣導的部分\n\n16\n00:05:29,722 --> 00:05:49,234\n至於監理面我也在跟部裡面的同仁在討論就是未來針對考照的部分的加強教育跟安全的概念那個考照不要讓他太簡單就考過這個部分其實我們有些數據看起來是會有效的所以監理面的部分、考照面的部分我們都會來加強努力\n\n17\n00:05:49,855 --> 00:06:07,195\n是好那相信部長也有注意到那很多人都很關心就是在前幾天就發生了這個台中的這個公車因為轉彎又去撞擊了這個就是穿越馬路的這個東海大學的女學生然後造成其中一個女學生\n\n18\n00:06:07,415 --> 00:06:19,160\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n19\n00:06:33,706 --> 00:06:41,167\n所以針對這樣子的一個重大事故我們交通部有沒有去主動了解到底原因是出在哪裡\n\n20\n00:06:42,552 --> 00:07:06,222\n其實這個事故看起來應該是因為這個司機應該要停等在左轉或右轉的時候應該要停等但他沒有依照我們的規定來停等他就直接就開過去了那其實我們交通部都有嚴格要求第一我們的客運或者是貨運的大車在要過馬路的時候要左轉或右轉第一你必須要停等第二甚至我們有要求要指叉確認\n\n21\n00:07:07,162 --> 00:07:32,502\n也就是左看右看前看只差確認要做那明顯的看起來是他們並沒有落實到這一點那這個部分當然我們有罰則有罰則但是地方落實的狀況這個部分如果可以再更落實一點我相信這些憾事都能夠排除掉都能夠避免掉所以這個部分我們會再積極要求各個地方政府在針對我們的規定的部分該怎麼樣落實我們會盡量協助盡量跟他們溝通\n\n22\n00:07:33,294 --> 00:07:55,471\n是,剛剛部長你講的就是說他沒有停等嘛可是我們去看一下瞭解一下就是其中有一件這個車禍事故就是在2022年這個伊拉克籍的男子他一家山口就是過馬路的時候被撞擊那這個就是伊拉克籍這個丈夫他在接受訪問的時候他有講到說這個司機速度很快\n\n23\n00:07:56,592 --> 00:08:15,663\n就是車速過快那包括這一次的這個東海大學的女學生的事故之後我們也發現網路上也有網友在嘲諷說這個台中市政府不用辦賽車賽了因為在整個市區上這個就是這個公車就是開快車等於就是在像在賽車一樣了\n\n24\n00:08:17,464 --> 00:08:40,432\n所以造成這樣子的原因我想這個應該也是我們要去了解的那我有去了解了一下我不曉得這正不正確可是我也希望我們交通部是不是也要去主動了解一下就是也有人反映說因為台中市政府實施的這個交通新制就是說這個班車客運如果誤點托班就是要罰錢開罰\n\n25\n00:08:42,273 --> 00:09:03,000\n所以是不是這樣子也導致了這個司機在行駛在載客的時候他有一個心理的壓力他為了怕霧點他就要開快車那開快車就等於造成了相對的一個危險這個就是互為因果的一個關係所以這個部分我們交通部是不是可以去做一個瞭解\n\n26\n00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:18,375\n就我所知因為我以前擔任台中市的議員就我所知很像台中市是有類似托班會做開罰的動作那這個部分如果大家覺得說會不會因為這個因素造成很多的公車的司機怕被罰\n\n27\n00:09:19,236 --> 00:09:43,097\n所以開的特別快,這個部分我們會主動來跟台中市政府來溝通跟協調那做仔細的研究啦,說這個準點率跟這個行車的安全,中間該怎麼抓平衡點這個我們再主動積極去找台中市政府來溝通因為其實在一般就是市民的一個印象裡面就是台中市的共車開很快所以應該就是要先去了解一下為什麼他們會開這麼快\n\n28\n00:09:46,983 --> 00:09:55,179\n應該從司機去做一個訪問或訪查,應該就可以得出一個結果。好,我們到地方去了解一下之後,再協助台中市政府來做更好的改善。\n\n29\n00:09:56,091 --> 00:10:17,577\n對,所以我覺得說如果是因為這樣子的一個要求跟制度啊就跟我們交通部要宣示的這個監理跟教育的這樣子的一個面向就相違背了因為我們本來是希望透過教育讓不管是駕駛或者是行人都能夠遵守這個交通安全結果反而在這樣子的一個規定如果說造成司機有一個壓力的話\n\n30\n00:10:18,137 --> 00:10:36,573\n我想就是跟我們的政策就是利益有相違背了再來就是我們在這個面向裡面當然執法應該是最後的一個手段我們也看到最近我們中央政府也補助地方廣設這個就是\n\n31\n00:10:38,815 --> 00:10:39,816\n因為當然我們的利益是希望能夠遏止這個違規希望大家守法\n\n32\n00:11:04,312 --> 00:11:11,694\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n33\n00:11:26,098 --> 00:11:37,072\n這部分我們會跟這個內政部來做協調因為這個部分是內政部警政署他們在負責的那我們會來跟他們做協調說怎麼樣落實會讓民眾達到一個最好的平衡那也達到安全的效果\n\n34\n00:11:37,997 --> 00:11:40,200\n主席主席主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4561\t6167\t謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳部長有請陳部長\n18033\t33552\t部長早安我們知道就是說在前年底因為這個CNN媒體的一個報導說我們台灣的這個交通環境對行人很不友善那並形容台灣是這個行人地獄所以這樣子的\n36754\t60344\t對整個我們國家的形象也是一個重創那也引起國人非常大的一個重視跟議論所以我們在中央我們看到行政院也非常的積極針對這部分有做出了一些回應我們看到在去年2023年的5月跟8月行政院就分別通過行人優先交通政策綱領還有行人交通安全政策綱領\n61264\t88789\t那在今年的四月也三讀通過的行人交通安全設施條例那我們今年這個行政院也編列了四年四百億要來提升這個有序提升人行安全計畫所以我們這樣子就是說希望透過中央與地方政府的一個合作來改善我們整個行人的安全跟交通的一個環境那也之前我們交通部也有宣誓就是說希望從工程\n89429\t107313\t兼理教育跟執法四個面向來同時來落實來改善我們的交通環境那舊工程的部分我們來看因為今天應該也很多委員都有關心就是就目前我們交通部所掌握的就是全台799處的路口改善\n110234\t131290\t那在一到八月間的這個改善的一個成果我們看到這樣子一個統計數字就是以六都來看的話臺中的這個執行率是最低的就是以建樹跟他預期改善的數字來做一個計算的話他的比例是只有6.3%那如果以全國非六都來看\n131770\t145540\t甚至還有未改善一件都沒有的所以在這邊想先請教一下部長對於這些危險路口到底是我們的經費沒有到位還是說他們的執行率真的有問題\n146944\t174730\t報告委員這些路口其實就是中央跟地方一起選定的799處我們希望能夠快速來進行中央也會如果年底之前完成的話都會做全額的補助跟補貼所以錢的部分是沒有問題不過實際的執行面上面的話大部分是由地方政府來完成以交通部來說的話我們在公路系統也就是省道系統公路的部分是交通部來負責那2000處的部分我們目前的進度是超前的\n175370\t202643\t那但是對於地方這個799處的改善的部分應該絕大多數是地方政府那以彰化來說確實數字上比較低那這12件裡面其中有一件是跟交通部有關的那11件是跟國土署有關的那交通部有關的這一件已經完成了那另外還有11件那已經完成了一件是國土署的但還有10件是國土署要補助給彰化縣政府所以這個部分可能彰化縣政府要積極努力\n203183\t219800\t是那就是說針對這樣子的目前的一個進度啊我們就是能夠清楚看出來他們的這個執行的比例啊所以對這樣子執行率偏低的狀況我們交通部是不是應該要更積極的去輔導或者協助督促他們能夠盡快的做一個改善\n220820\t241632\t這個部分我們每個月像您的這個數據我們每個月都會公告在網路上那其實地方的民意代表也非常關注這個議題所以他們看到這個資訊自然會去跟地方政府去要求跟督促那另外就是說這個部分剩下的彰化剩下的那10件應該改善的路口是跟國土署比較相關那國土署也會應該會盡量協助地方\n245094\t266749\t那就是我們交通部宣示就是要從四個面向來改善這個跟提升這個交通安全環境跟這個行人的一個安全可是很遺憾的就是說我們看到這個統計數字今年1到6月我們根據交通部的統計就是整體的交通事故的死亡人數是比去年同期有減少\n267529\t293608\t一百四十一人是下降了9%那機車高齡、酒駕及兒少的死亡都有減少可是行人事故的死亡率就是183人反而是比去年同期增加了10人就是這個比例增加了5.8%所以這樣子真的是讓我們覺得非常的遺憾那當然就是說其中我們依據交通部的一個分析這個噪音有就是其中包括就是車輛沒有依規定來\n295449\t313400\t暫停這個禮讓行人的部分那當然有行人沒有依標誌或標線來穿越道路這樣子的一個狀況可是就是說車輛位依規定暫停的比例是比較高的所以這部分應該還是要再去加強這個是不是透過監理或教育的一個手段\n314181\t329101\t來加強監理跟教育的手段我們都會加強那教育的部分我剛有報告過就是說我們在明年度也就是114年的這個預算裡面我們增加了5000多萬的這個宣導的經費這個部分我們會跟地方政府一起來合作做宣導的部分\n329722\t349234\t至於監理面我也在跟部裡面的同仁在討論就是未來針對考照的部分的加強教育跟安全的概念那個考照不要讓他太簡單就考過這個部分其實我們有些數據看起來是會有效的所以監理面的部分、考照面的部分我們都會來加強努力\n349855\t367195\t是 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那相信部長也有注意到那很多人都很關心就是在前幾天就發生了這個台中的這個公車因為轉彎又去撞擊了這個就是穿越馬路的這個東海大學的女學生然後造成其中一個女學生\n367415\t379160\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n393706\t401167\t所以針對這樣子的一個重大事故我們交通部有沒有去主動了解到底原因是出在哪裡\n402552\t426222\t其實這個事故看起來應該是因為這個司機應該要停等在左轉或右轉的時候應該要停等但他沒有依照我們的規定來停等他就直接就開過去了那其實我們交通部都有嚴格要求第一我們的客運或者是貨運的大車在要過馬路的時候要左轉或右轉第一你必須要停等第二甚至我們有要求要指叉確認\n427162\t452502\t也就是左看右看前看只差確認要做那明顯的看起來是他們並沒有落實到這一點那這個部分當然我們有罰則有罰則但是地方落實的狀況這個部分如果可以再更落實一點我相信這些憾事都能夠排除掉都能夠避免掉所以這個部分我們會再積極要求各個地方政府在針對我們的規定的部分該怎麼樣落實我們會盡量協助盡量跟他們溝通\n453294\t475471\t是,剛剛部長你講的就是說他沒有停等嘛可是我們去看一下瞭解一下就是其中有一件這個車禍事故就是在2022年這個伊拉克籍的男子他一家山口就是過馬路的時候被撞擊那這個就是伊拉克籍這個丈夫他在接受訪問的時候他有講到說這個司機速度很快\n476592\t495663\t就是車速過快那包括這一次的這個東海大學的女學生的事故之後我們也發現網路上也有網友在嘲諷說這個台中市政府不用辦賽車賽了因為在整個市區上這個就是這個公車就是開快車等於就是在像在賽車一樣了\n497464\t520432\t所以造成這樣子的原因我想這個應該也是我們要去了解的那我有去了解了一下我不曉得這正不正確可是我也希望我們交通部是不是也要去主動了解一下就是也有人反映說因為台中市政府實施的這個交通新制就是說這個班車客運如果誤點托班就是要罰錢開罰\n522273\t543000\t所以是不是這樣子也導致了這個司機在行駛在載客的時候他有一個心理的壓力他為了怕霧點他就要開快車那開快車就等於造成了相對的一個危險這個就是互為因果的一個關係所以這個部分我們交通部是不是可以去做一個瞭解\n543420\t558375\t就我所知因為我以前擔任台中市的議員就我所知很像台中市是有類似托班會做開罰的動作那這個部分如果大家覺得說會不會因為這個因素造成很多的公車的司機怕被罰\n559236\t583097\t所以開的特別快,這個部分我們會主動來跟台中市政府來溝通跟協調那做仔細的研究啦,說這個準點率跟這個行車的安全,中間該怎麼抓平衡點這個我們再主動積極去找台中市政府來溝通因為其實在一般就是市民的一個印象裡面就是台中市的共車開很快所以應該就是要先去了解一下為什麼他們會開這麼快\n586983\t595179\t應該從司機去做一個訪問或訪查,應該就可以得出一個結果。好,我們到地方去了解一下之後,再協助台中市政府來做更好的改善。\n596091\t617577\t對,所以我覺得說如果是因為這樣子的一個要求跟制度啊就跟我們交通部要宣示的這個監理跟教育的這樣子的一個面向就相違背了因為我們本來是希望透過教育讓不管是駕駛或者是行人都能夠遵守這個交通安全結果反而在這樣子的一個規定如果說造成司機有一個壓力的話\n618137\t636573\t我想就是跟我們的政策就是利益有相違背了再來就是我們在這個面向裡面當然執法應該是最後的一個手段我們也看到最近我們中央政府也補助地方廣設這個就是\n638815\t639816\t因為當然我們的利益是希望能夠遏止這個違規希望大家守法\n664312\t671694\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n686098\t697072\t這部分我們會跟這個內政部來做協調因為這個部分是內政部警政署他們在負責的那我們會來跟他們做協調說怎麼樣落實會讓民眾達到一個最好的平衡那也達到安全的效果\n697997\t700200\t主席主席主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳部長有請陳部長\n部長早安我們知道就是說在前年底因為這個CNN媒體的一個報導說我們台灣的這個交通環境對行人很不友善那並形容台灣是這個行人地獄所以這樣子的\n對整個我們國家的形象也是一個重創那也引起國人非常大的一個重視跟議論所以我們在中央我們看到行政院也非常的積極針對這部分有做出了一些回應我們看到在去年2023年的5月跟8月行政院就分別通過行人優先交通政策綱領還有行人交通安全政策綱領\n那在今年的四月也三讀通過的行人交通安全設施條例那我們今年這個行政院也編列了四年四百億要來提升這個有序提升人行安全計畫所以我們這樣子就是說希望透過中央與地方政府的一個合作來改善我們整個行人的安全跟交通的一個環境那也之前我們交通部也有宣誓就是說希望從工程\n兼理教育跟執法四個面向來同時來落實來改善我們的交通環境那舊工程的部分我們來看因為今天應該也很多委員都有關心就是就目前我們交通部所掌握的就是全台799處的路口改善\n那在一到八月間的這個改善的一個成果我們看到這樣子一個統計數字就是以六都來看的話臺中的這個執行率是最低的就是以建樹跟他預期改善的數字來做一個計算的話他的比例是只有6.3%那如果以全國非六都來看\n甚至還有未改善一件都沒有的所以在這邊想先請教一下部長對於這些危險路口到底是我們的經費沒有到位還是說他們的執行率真的有問題\n報告委員這些路口其實就是中央跟地方一起選定的799處我們希望能夠快速來進行中央也會如果年底之前完成的話都會做全額的補助跟補貼所以錢的部分是沒有問題不過實際的執行面上面的話大部分是由地方政府來完成以交通部來說的話我們在公路系統也就是省道系統公路的部分是交通部來負責那2000處的部分我們目前的進度是超前的\n那但是對於地方這個799處的改善的部分應該絕大多數是地方政府那以彰化來說確實數字上比較低那這12件裡面其中有一件是跟交通部有關的那11件是跟國土署有關的那交通部有關的這一件已經完成了那另外還有11件那已經完成了一件是國土署的但還有10件是國土署要補助給彰化縣政府所以這個部分可能彰化縣政府要積極努力\n是那就是說針對這樣子的目前的一個進度啊我們就是能夠清楚看出來他們的這個執行的比例啊所以對這樣子執行率偏低的狀況我們交通部是不是應該要更積極的去輔導或者協助督促他們能夠盡快的做一個改善\n這個部分我們每個月像您的這個數據我們每個月都會公告在網路上那其實地方的民意代表也非常關注這個議題所以他們看到這個資訊自然會去跟地方政府去要求跟督促那另外就是說這個部分剩下的彰化剩下的那10件應該改善的路口是跟國土署比較相關那國土署也會應該會盡量協助地方\n那就是我們交通部宣示就是要從四個面向來改善這個跟提升這個交通安全環境跟這個行人的一個安全可是很遺憾的就是說我們看到這個統計數字今年1到6月我們根據交通部的統計就是整體的交通事故的死亡人數是比去年同期有減少\n一百四十一人是下降了9%那機車高齡、酒駕及兒少的死亡都有減少可是行人事故的死亡率就是183人反而是比去年同期增加了10人就是這個比例增加了5.8%所以這樣子真的是讓我們覺得非常的遺憾那當然就是說其中我們依據交通部的一個分析這個噪音有就是其中包括就是車輛沒有依規定來\n暫停這個禮讓行人的部分那當然有行人沒有依標誌或標線來穿越道路這樣子的一個狀況可是就是說車輛位依規定暫停的比例是比較高的所以這部分應該還是要再去加強這個是不是透過監理或教育的一個手段\n來加強監理跟教育的手段我們都會加強那教育的部分我剛有報告過就是說我們在明年度也就是114年的這個預算裡面我們增加了5000多萬的這個宣導的經費這個部分我們會跟地方政府一起來合作做宣導的部分\n至於監理面我也在跟部裡面的同仁在討論就是未來針對考照的部分的加強教育跟安全的概念那個考照不要讓他太簡單就考過這個部分其實我們有些數據看起來是會有效的所以監理面的部分、考照面的部分我們都會來加強努力\n是 好 那相信部長也有注意到那很多人都很關心就是在前幾天就發生了這個台中的這個公車因為轉彎又去撞擊了這個就是穿越馬路的這個東海大學的女學生然後造成其中一個女學生\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n所以針對這樣子的一個重大事故我們交通部有沒有去主動了解到底原因是出在哪裡\n其實這個事故看起來應該是因為這個司機應該要停等在左轉或右轉的時候應該要停等但他沒有依照我們的規定來停等他就直接就開過去了那其實我們交通部都有嚴格要求第一我們的客運或者是貨運的大車在要過馬路的時候要左轉或右轉第一你必須要停等第二甚至我們有要求要指叉確認\n也就是左看右看前看只差確認要做那明顯的看起來是他們並沒有落實到這一點那這個部分當然我們有罰則有罰則但是地方落實的狀況這個部分如果可以再更落實一點我相信這些憾事都能夠排除掉都能夠避免掉所以這個部分我們會再積極要求各個地方政府在針對我們的規定的部分該怎麼樣落實我們會盡量協助盡量跟他們溝通\n是,剛剛部長你講的就是說他沒有停等嘛可是我們去看一下瞭解一下就是其中有一件這個車禍事故就是在2022年這個伊拉克籍的男子他一家山口就是過馬路的時候被撞擊那這個就是伊拉克籍這個丈夫他在接受訪問的時候他有講到說這個司機速度很快\n就是車速過快那包括這一次的這個東海大學的女學生的事故之後我們也發現網路上也有網友在嘲諷說這個台中市政府不用辦賽車賽了因為在整個市區上這個就是這個公車就是開快車等於就是在像在賽車一樣了\n所以造成這樣子的原因我想這個應該也是我們要去了解的那我有去了解了一下我不曉得這正不正確可是我也希望我們交通部是不是也要去主動了解一下就是也有人反映說因為台中市政府實施的這個交通新制就是說這個班車客運如果誤點托班就是要罰錢開罰\n所以是不是這樣子也導致了這個司機在行駛在載客的時候他有一個心理的壓力他為了怕霧點他就要開快車那開快車就等於造成了相對的一個危險這個就是互為因果的一個關係所以這個部分我們交通部是不是可以去做一個瞭解\n就我所知因為我以前擔任台中市的議員就我所知很像台中市是有類似托班會做開罰的動作那這個部分如果大家覺得說會不會因為這個因素造成很多的公車的司機怕被罰\n所以開的特別快,這個部分我們會主動來跟台中市政府來溝通跟協調那做仔細的研究啦,說這個準點率跟這個行車的安全,中間該怎麼抓平衡點這個我們再主動積極去找台中市政府來溝通因為其實在一般就是市民的一個印象裡面就是台中市的共車開很快所以應該就是要先去了解一下為什麼他們會開這麼快\n應該從司機去做一個訪問或訪查,應該就可以得出一個結果。好,我們到地方去了解一下之後,再協助台中市政府來做更好的改善。\n對,所以我覺得說如果是因為這樣子的一個要求跟制度啊就跟我們交通部要宣示的這個監理跟教育的這樣子的一個面向就相違背了因為我們本來是希望透過教育讓不管是駕駛或者是行人都能夠遵守這個交通安全結果反而在這樣子的一個規定如果說造成司機有一個壓力的話\n我想就是跟我們的政策就是利益有相違背了再來就是我們在這個面向裡面當然執法應該是最後的一個手段我們也看到最近我們中央政府也補助地方廣設這個就是\n因為當然我們的利益是希望能夠遏止這個違規希望大家守法\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n這部分我們會跟這個內政部來做協調因為這個部分是內政部警政署他們在負責的那我們會來跟他們做協調說怎麼樣落實會讓民眾達到一個最好的平衡那也達到安全的效果\n主席主席主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.561 --> 00:06.167\n謝謝主席請主席邀請陳部長有請陳部長\n\n00:18.033 --> 00:33.552\n部長早安我們知道就是說在前年底因為這個CNN媒體的一個報導說我們台灣的這個交通環境對行人很不友善那並形容台灣是這個行人地獄所以這樣子的\n\n00:36.754 --> 01:00.344\n對整個我們國家的形象也是一個重創那也引起國人非常大的一個重視跟議論所以我們在中央我們看到行政院也非常的積極針對這部分有做出了一些回應我們看到在去年2023年的5月跟8月行政院就分別通過行人優先交通政策綱領還有行人交通安全政策綱領\n\n01:01.264 --> 01:28.789\n那在今年的四月也三讀通過的行人交通安全設施條例那我們今年這個行政院也編列了四年四百億要來提升這個有序提升人行安全計畫所以我們這樣子就是說希望透過中央與地方政府的一個合作來改善我們整個行人的安全跟交通的一個環境那也之前我們交通部也有宣誓就是說希望從工程\n\n01:29.429 --> 01:47.313\n兼理教育跟執法四個面向來同時來落實來改善我們的交通環境那舊工程的部分我們來看因為今天應該也很多委員都有關心就是就目前我們交通部所掌握的就是全台799處的路口改善\n\n01:50.234 --> 02:11.290\n那在一到八月間的這個改善的一個成果我們看到這樣子一個統計數字就是以六都來看的話臺中的這個執行率是最低的就是以建樹跟他預期改善的數字來做一個計算的話他的比例是只有6.3%那如果以全國非六都來看\n\n02:11.770 --> 02:25.540\n甚至還有未改善一件都沒有的所以在這邊想先請教一下部長對於這些危險路口到底是我們的經費沒有到位還是說他們的執行率真的有問題\n\n02:26.944 --> 02:54.730\n報告委員這些路口其實就是中央跟地方一起選定的799處我們希望能夠快速來進行中央也會如果年底之前完成的話都會做全額的補助跟補貼所以錢的部分是沒有問題不過實際的執行面上面的話大部分是由地方政府來完成以交通部來說的話我們在公路系統也就是省道系統公路的部分是交通部來負責那2000處的部分我們目前的進度是超前的\n\n02:55.370 --> 03:22.643\n那但是對於地方這個799處的改善的部分應該絕大多數是地方政府那以彰化來說確實數字上比較低那這12件裡面其中有一件是跟交通部有關的那11件是跟國土署有關的那交通部有關的這一件已經完成了那另外還有11件那已經完成了一件是國土署的但還有10件是國土署要補助給彰化縣政府所以這個部分可能彰化縣政府要積極努力\n\n03:23.183 --> 03:39.800\n是那就是說針對這樣子的目前的一個進度啊我們就是能夠清楚看出來他們的這個執行的比例啊所以對這樣子執行率偏低的狀況我們交通部是不是應該要更積極的去輔導或者協助督促他們能夠盡快的做一個改善\n\n03:40.820 --> 04:01.632\n這個部分我們每個月像您的這個數據我們每個月都會公告在網路上那其實地方的民意代表也非常關注這個議題所以他們看到這個資訊自然會去跟地方政府去要求跟督促那另外就是說這個部分剩下的彰化剩下的那10件應該改善的路口是跟國土署比較相關那國土署也會應該會盡量協助地方\n\n04:05.094 --> 04:26.749\n那就是我們交通部宣示就是要從四個面向來改善這個跟提升這個交通安全環境跟這個行人的一個安全可是很遺憾的就是說我們看到這個統計數字今年1到6月我們根據交通部的統計就是整體的交通事故的死亡人數是比去年同期有減少\n\n04:27.529 --> 04:53.608\n一百四十一人是下降了9%那機車高齡、酒駕及兒少的死亡都有減少可是行人事故的死亡率就是183人反而是比去年同期增加了10人就是這個比例增加了5.8%所以這樣子真的是讓我們覺得非常的遺憾那當然就是說其中我們依據交通部的一個分析這個噪音有就是其中包括就是車輛沒有依規定來\n\n04:55.449 --> 05:13.400\n暫停這個禮讓行人的部分那當然有行人沒有依標誌或標線來穿越道路這樣子的一個狀況可是就是說車輛位依規定暫停的比例是比較高的所以這部分應該還是要再去加強這個是不是透過監理或教育的一個手段\n\n05:14.181 --> 05:29.101\n來加強監理跟教育的手段我們都會加強那教育的部分我剛有報告過就是說我們在明年度也就是114年的這個預算裡面我們增加了5000多萬的這個宣導的經費這個部分我們會跟地方政府一起來合作做宣導的部分\n\n05:29.722 --> 05:49.234\n至於監理面我也在跟部裡面的同仁在討論就是未來針對考照的部分的加強教育跟安全的概念那個考照不要讓他太簡單就考過這個部分其實我們有些數據看起來是會有效的所以監理面的部分、考照面的部分我們都會來加強努力\n\n05:49.855 --> 06:07.195\n是好那相信部長也有注意到那很多人都很關心就是在前幾天就發生了這個台中的這個公車因為轉彎又去撞擊了這個就是穿越馬路的這個東海大學的女學生然後造成其中一個女學生\n\n06:07.415 --> 06:19.160\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n06:33.706 --> 06:41.167\n所以針對這樣子的一個重大事故我們交通部有沒有去主動了解到底原因是出在哪裡\n\n06:42.552 --> 07:06.222\n其實這個事故看起來應該是因為這個司機應該要停等在左轉或右轉的時候應該要停等但他沒有依照我們的規定來停等他就直接就開過去了那其實我們交通部都有嚴格要求第一我們的客運或者是貨運的大車在要過馬路的時候要左轉或右轉第一你必須要停等第二甚至我們有要求要指叉確認\n\n07:07.162 --> 07:32.502\n也就是左看右看前看只差確認要做那明顯的看起來是他們並沒有落實到這一點那這個部分當然我們有罰則有罰則但是地方落實的狀況這個部分如果可以再更落實一點我相信這些憾事都能夠排除掉都能夠避免掉所以這個部分我們會再積極要求各個地方政府在針對我們的規定的部分該怎麼樣落實我們會盡量協助盡量跟他們溝通\n\n07:33.294 --> 07:55.471\n是,剛剛部長你講的就是說他沒有停等嘛可是我們去看一下瞭解一下就是其中有一件這個車禍事故就是在2022年這個伊拉克籍的男子他一家山口就是過馬路的時候被撞擊那這個就是伊拉克籍這個丈夫他在接受訪問的時候他有講到說這個司機速度很快\n\n07:56.592 --> 08:15.663\n就是車速過快那包括這一次的這個東海大學的女學生的事故之後我們也發現網路上也有網友在嘲諷說這個台中市政府不用辦賽車賽了因為在整個市區上這個就是這個公車就是開快車等於就是在像在賽車一樣了\n\n08:17.464 --> 08:40.432\n所以造成這樣子的原因我想這個應該也是我們要去了解的那我有去了解了一下我不曉得這正不正確可是我也希望我們交通部是不是也要去主動了解一下就是也有人反映說因為台中市政府實施的這個交通新制就是說這個班車客運如果誤點托班就是要罰錢開罰\n\n08:42.273 --> 09:03.000\n所以是不是這樣子也導致了這個司機在行駛在載客的時候他有一個心理的壓力他為了怕霧點他就要開快車那開快車就等於造成了相對的一個危險這個就是互為因果的一個關係所以這個部分我們交通部是不是可以去做一個瞭解\n\n09:03.420 --> 09:18.375\n就我所知因為我以前擔任台中市的議員就我所知很像台中市是有類似托班會做開罰的動作那這個部分如果大家覺得說會不會因為這個因素造成很多的公車的司機怕被罰\n\n09:19.236 --> 09:43.097\n所以開的特別快,這個部分我們會主動來跟台中市政府來溝通跟協調那做仔細的研究啦,說這個準點率跟這個行車的安全,中間該怎麼抓平衡點這個我們再主動積極去找台中市政府來溝通因為其實在一般就是市民的一個印象裡面就是台中市的共車開很快所以應該就是要先去了解一下為什麼他們會開這麼快\n\n09:46.983 --> 09:55.179\n應該從司機去做一個訪問或訪查,應該就可以得出一個結果。好,我們到地方去了解一下之後,再協助台中市政府來做更好的改善。\n\n09:56.091 --> 10:17.577\n對,所以我覺得說如果是因為這樣子的一個要求跟制度啊就跟我們交通部要宣示的這個監理跟教育的這樣子的一個面向就相違背了因為我們本來是希望透過教育讓不管是駕駛或者是行人都能夠遵守這個交通安全結果反而在這樣子的一個規定如果說造成司機有一個壓力的話\n\n10:18.137 --> 10:36.573\n我想就是跟我們的政策就是利益有相違背了再來就是我們在這個面向裡面當然執法應該是最後的一個手段我們也看到最近我們中央政府也補助地方廣設這個就是\n\n10:38.815 --> 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