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00:01:46,133\n那旅客進出啊這個真的是個大笑話後來他都改成右邊他有承諾要改啦然後還說要配合台灣燈會台南建整400年那火車站要用一些燈光去給它裝飾啦光雕啦那後來後來全部跳票啦那個胡說八道根本也沒有啦現在就像右邊這樣子啦那重點是我要請教啦\n\n5\n00:01:47,401 --> 00:01:59,536\n部長你要督促一下台鐵啦台南火車站整修啦什麼時候可以完工啦你知道這個火車站啦預計完工就是2021年後來延曆年說2022年1月\n\n6\n00:02:02,563 --> 00:02:24,750\n結果呢,2022年的2月就被落令停工,為什麼?因為他破壞古蹟啦。就建,建,營造商跟建築師,我不知道發生什麼事啦。就是說,把古蹟給弄壞了。停工啦,停工到現在已經兩年半了。我不知道什麼時候可以完工了。他跟委員報告,來。\n\n7\n00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:51,992\n跟委員報告臺南400年是一個非常臺灣很重要的一個里程碑所以一個都市裡面尤其在最近這100年來講的話火車站會是最關鍵的一個設施所以這個400年裡面最重要的這100年的火車站的設施必然要快速來完成尤其是古蹟的這個修護我看這個上面寫委員所提供的上面寫說修壞了這是非常的不應該那細節我是不是請那個臺鐵\n\n8\n00:02:52,853 --> 00:03:21,390\n他已經停工兩年半了來杜董事長跟委員報告還是感謝委員你什麼時候可以動工那個現在的我講進度了現在的進度是因為先前我們招標要來持續修復工程這件事情沒有人來投標留標了那我們戲就他的原因是因為廠商不肯來是因為沒有辦法釐清楚說到底這裡面有多少你告訴我你的問題你解決了沒有\n\n9\n00:03:22,591 --> 00:03:50,322\n有阿現在齁現在這個主要的問題阿你老公當時的完工啦台南台南市政府的文資局齁他現在同意齁來幫我們代辦調查阿那個代辦協議書已經好了所以他台南市政府所以什麼時候可以完工你也沒跑過啦這個完工照我的估算齁那什麼時候可以重新動工啦重新動工要到完成整個程序的話要到115年的年終\n\n10\n00:03:53,328 --> 00:03:55,090\n這個火車站整修只剩10%\n\n11\n00:04:12,432 --> 00:04:34,864\n那這十發就開始停工,停工兩年半,現在照杜董事長的解釋還要再等兩年才能動工,那動工不知道要做多久才可以完工,這台南會加薪嗎?報告員,這個你也積極在關心,那這個部分工程會跟交通部我們會把他列管,列管之後我們每一個月。你沒有辦法加快速度嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:35,464 --> 00:05:01,491\n我們每一個月都來做檢討我們來協助台鐵公司來加快為了保留台南這個舊火車站整個鐵路地下化工程做了一個很重大的就當時工程設計就是以要保留這個火車站這個是1900年日本人開始蓋的比台北市火車站還早一年為了把它保留結果呢你為了把它整修搞成這樣子所以台鐵的這個\n\n13\n00:05:05,888 --> 00:05:22,575\n速度確實要加快我們到115年才要開始動工那也太久了已經圍滿久了對於台南的一些小朋友來講他的記憶可能火車站就是有圍籬的狀態這是不好的那你至少要現在把它弄得好看一點\n\n14\n00:05:24,168 --> 00:05:48,884\n進出要安全不要像旅客在工地裡面進進出出這個部分我們現在也有在做我們有配合台南設計展我們大概在10月中旬第二階段可以完成所以這個地方就有看出台北辦事情所以難怪\n\n15\n00:05:51,260 --> 00:06:09,614\n董事長、副董事長,難怪你加個薪水,大家就賣了難怪你要自己技功,大家都罵了因為你也稍微有一點政治敏感度好不好你台鐵現在搞這樣子,你怎麼好意思加薪啊\n\n16\n00:06:10,914 --> 00:06:37,025\n報告委員這個是這個薪資他們是由這個國營事業的董總也就是主持人他的薪資標準下去評估我知道了這時間點不到對吧第一個啦台鐵員工的薪資本來就偏低啦我舉雙鐵來做個比較啦高鐵的中位數啦薪資中位數啦非儲管的薪資中位數是99萬\n\n17\n00:06:38,868 --> 00:07:07,397\n台鐵才68萬,薪水差30萬,年薪差了30萬再來,台鐵缺人,為什麼缺人?沒人要去啦你知道台鐵有招考部長你知道有好幾個項目是報考的人比需要應徵的人還少那幾乎可以全部報名就入局了,你知道嗎?\n\n18\n00:07:08,953 --> 00:07:24,037\n而且海鐵目前的人力缺口多少?兩千多個?董事長你說明一下好不好?其實並沒有兩千多個跟委員報告我們今年度還要在第二次招募我們的招募含100個司機員是722人\n\n19\n00:07:36,031 --> 00:07:46,318\n會來嗎?確定嗎?來,我再給你看台鐵,你看它的缺額公務、機務、電務缺額都有兩位數缺額都10%以上然後台鐵有1055個人公事化以後有超過1000個1055個人選擇領優退就離開了,不願意繼續待\n\n20\n00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:10,864\n然後,台鐵的今年也預計有多少人要離職?今年預計也有1288個人要離職這是媒體公布的資料\n\n21\n00:08:24,485 --> 00:08:48,110\n所以你去年公司化走了1055人今年還要再離開1288個人兩年啊台北就走了2300多個人你今年啊董事長都說要考台北每年都考啦台北沒有一年不考啊都沒人來啦那你甚至還有零入局的所謂零入局就是零報到啦\n\n22\n00:08:49,738 --> 00:08:58,150\n有錄取喔有通知你錄取喔恭喜你喔結果報導沒人來啦尤其在一個比較像東部那個地方啦\n\n23\n00:08:59,229 --> 00:09:25,205\n那你怎麼辦所以我們這一次第二次招募的話我們針對東部跟技術的話我們會再來想辦法再來加強這不是我不會跟你說的啦你再看一下報員您這個資料齁這是2024年底統計那個齁這要容我回去再統計一下因為那個總計188我引用媒體的報導啦週刊的報導啦週刊報導7月就報導了你也不澄清你現在說我講的不對蛤\n\n24\n00:09:28,899 --> 00:09:34,086\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n25\n00:09:45,939 --> 00:10:09,807\n你看他跟郵政公司比一下郵政公司人流不掉啊以前覺得最辛苦的是港務公司台鐵比港務公司還嚴重啊台鐵今年上半年啊光目前離職就三百個人啊另外啊台鐵去年離職四百個人就是說他入曲然後他受不了又離開了這個我是覺得喔\n\n26\n00:10:15,348 --> 00:10:41,116\n為什麼多年來這個是很長久的問題台鐵沒有辦法留住人才報告委員這兩方面我跟台鐵公司也在做商量跟討論兩方面要來處理一方面是公司的這個職場的文化那二方面其實是薪資的部分尤其是從業人員的薪資怎麼拉高怎麼會來努力因為新部長來我是讓你知道有這個狀況我希望部長要稍微督促一下另外\n\n27\n00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:59,836\n台鐵對旅客的服務我們來看一下你不用說跟高鐵比你跟捷運比台鐵現在花了3500萬台鐵財富已經不好了花了3500萬要來更新月台的資訊看板你看一下左邊月台顯示器你看它的顏色你看它的字體\n\n28\n00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:31,555\n他這個一更新啦花那麼多錢啦旅客一邊罵聲啦然後很多民眾啦提出的批評我給部長參考一下啦他說這個字體啦都看不清楚啦你看一般都會用黑體字啦這對年長者比較友善因為那個字比較容易辨識嘛你要注意看台題用這種字體還有他使用的顏色\n\n29\n00:11:36,038 --> 00:12:02,023\n保證你眼花撩亂還有許多搭乘者他習慣他是先看車種比如舉光號、志強號什麼號那你現在把大家習慣的用法改掉了你最前面列的是班次我請教很少人搭車會計班次的對不對部長那你回台中你坐高鐵都坐哪一個班次\n\n30\n00:12:03,042 --> 00:12:03,783\n他中文是看5秒英文停10秒\n\n31\n00:12:33,035 --> 00:12:57,437\n是到底看中文的多還是看英文的我發現很多旅客提供意見非常正確啊你開三千五百萬你還做到什麼報告委員這個我們會來改善好不好我們會來改善時間的關係啦我們希望台鐵已經公式化了那應該像一個公式化該有的效率和能力好不好好謝謝委員謝謝部長謝謝董事長謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1421\t24344\t感謝主席。本席邀請我們交通部陳部長。有請陳部長。我們台鐵的杜董事長。杜董事長。好。部長好。委員好。部長我今天給你看個照片。好。這我們台南火車站的照片。\n26963\t49819\t你看一下我們台南火車站火車站是我們台南市的門戶現在很像一個工地左邊有圍那個綠色篱笆那個很難看右邊是改善後改善後還是一個工地比較好看一點的工地但是因為去年11月\n51581\t68411\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n81823\t106133\t那旅客進出啊 這個真的是個大笑話後來他都改成右邊 他有承諾要改啦然後還說要配合台灣燈會 台南建整400年那火車站要用一些燈光去給它裝飾啦 光雕啦那後來 後來全部跳票啦 那個胡說八道根本也沒有啦 現在就像右邊這樣子啦那重點是我要請教啦\n107401\t119536\t部長你要督促一下台鐵啦台南火車站整修啦什麼時候可以完工啦你知道這個火車站啦預計完工就是2021年後來延曆年說2022年1月\n122563\t144750\t結果呢,2022年的2月就被落令停工,為什麼?因為他破壞古蹟啦。就建,建,營造商跟建築師,我不知道發生什麼事啦。就是說,把古蹟給弄壞了。停工啦,停工到現在已經兩年半了。我不知道什麼時候可以完工了。他跟委員報告,來。\n145950\t171992\t跟委員報告臺南400年是一個非常臺灣很重要的一個里程碑所以一個都市裡面尤其在最近這100年來講的話火車站會是最關鍵的一個設施所以這個400年裡面最重要的這100年的火車站的設施必然要快速來完成尤其是古蹟的這個修護我看這個上面寫委員所提供的上面寫說修壞了這是非常的不應該那細節我是不是請那個臺鐵\n172853\t201390\t他已經停工兩年半了來杜董事長跟委員報告還是感謝委員你什麼時候可以動工那個現在的我講進度了現在的進度是因為先前我們招標要來持續修復工程這件事情沒有人來投標留標了那我們戲就他的原因是因為廠商不肯來是因為沒有辦法釐清楚說到底這裡面有多少你告訴我你的問題你解決了沒有\n202591\t230322\t有阿現在齁現在這個主要的問題阿你老公當時的完工啦台南台南市政府的文資局齁他現在同意齁來幫我們代辦調查阿那個代辦協議書已經好了所以他台南市政府所以什麼時候可以完工你也沒跑過啦這個完工照我的估算齁那什麼時候可以重新動工啦重新動工要到完成整個程序的話要到115年的年終\n233328\t235090\t這個火車站整修只剩10%\n252432\t274864\t那這十發就開始停工,停工兩年半,現在照杜董事長的解釋還要再等兩年才能動工,那動工不知道要做多久才可以完工,這台南會加薪嗎?報告員,這個你也積極在關心,那這個部分工程會跟交通部我們會把他列管,列管之後我們每一個月。你沒有辦法加快速度嗎?\n275464\t301491\t我們每一個月都來做檢討我們來協助台鐵公司來加快為了保留台南這個舊火車站整個鐵路地下化工程做了一個很重大的就當時工程設計就是以要保留這個火車站這個是1900年日本人開始蓋的比台北市火車站還早一年為了把它保留結果呢你為了把它整修搞成這樣子所以台鐵的這個\n305888\t322575\t速度確實要加快我們到115年才要開始動工那也太久了已經圍滿久了對於台南的一些小朋友來講他的記憶可能火車站就是有圍籬的狀態這是不好的那你至少要現在把它弄得好看一點\n324168\t348884\t進出要安全不要像旅客在工地裡面進進出出這個部分我們現在也有在做我們有配合台南設計展我們大概在10月中旬第二階段可以完成所以這個地方就有看出台北辦事情所以難怪\n351260\t369614\t董事長、副董事長,難怪你加個薪水,大家就賣了難怪你要自己技功,大家都罵了因為你也稍微有一點政治敏感度好不好你台鐵現在搞這樣子,你怎麼好意思加薪啊\n370914\t397025\t報告委員 這個是 這個薪資他們是由這個國營事業的董總 也就是主持人他的薪資標準下去評估我知道了 這時間點不到對吧第一個啦 台鐵員工的薪資本來就偏低啦我舉雙鐵來做個比較啦高鐵的中位數啦 薪資中位數啦非儲管的薪資中位數是99萬\n398868\t427397\t台鐵才68萬,薪水差30萬,年薪差了30萬再來,台鐵缺人,為什麼缺人?沒人要去啦你知道台鐵有招考部長你知道有好幾個項目是報考的人比需要應徵的人還少那幾乎可以全部報名就入局了,你知道嗎?\n428953\t444037\t而且海鐵目前的人力缺口多少?兩千多個?董事長你說明一下好不好?其實並沒有兩千多個跟委員報告我們今年度還要在第二次招募我們的招募含100個司機員是722人\n456031\t466318\t會來嗎?確定嗎?來,我再給你看台鐵,你看它的缺額公務、機務、電務缺額都有兩位數缺額都10%以上然後台鐵有1055個人公事化以後有超過1000個1055個人選擇領優退就離開了,不願意繼續待\n483700\t490864\t然後,台鐵的今年也預計有多少人要離職?今年預計也有1288個人要離職這是媒體公布的資料\n504485\t528110\t所以你去年公司化走了1055人今年還要再離開1288個人兩年啊 台北就走了2300多個人你今年啊 董事長都說要考 台北每年都考啦台北沒有一年不考啊 都沒人來啦那你 甚至還有零入局的所謂零入局就是零報到啦\n529738\t538150\t有錄取喔有通知你錄取喔恭喜你喔結果報導沒人來啦尤其在一個比較像東部那個地方啦\n539229\t565205\t那你怎麼辦所以我們這一次第二次招募的話我們針對東部跟技術的話我們會再來想辦法再來加強這不是我不會跟你說的啦你再看一下報員您這個資料齁這是2024年底統計那個齁這要容我回去再統計一下因為那個總計188我引用媒體的報導啦週刊的報導啦週刊報導7月就報導了你也不澄清你現在說我講的不對蛤\n568899\t574086\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n585939\t609807\t你看他跟郵政公司比一下郵政公司人流不掉啊以前覺得最辛苦的是港務公司台鐵比港務公司還嚴重啊台鐵今年上半年啊光目前離職就三百個人啊另外啊台鐵去年離職四百個人就是說他入曲然後他受不了又離開了這個我是覺得喔\n615348\t641116\t為什麼多年來這個是很長久的問題台鐵沒有辦法留住人才報告委員這兩方面我跟台鐵公司也在做商量跟討論兩方面要來處理一方面是公司的這個職場的文化那二方面其實是薪資的部分尤其是從業人員的薪資怎麼拉高怎麼會來努力因為新部長來我是讓你知道有這個狀況我希望部長要稍微督促一下另外\n642230\t659836\t台鐵對旅客的服務我們來看一下你不用說跟高鐵比你跟捷運比台鐵現在花了3500萬台鐵財富已經不好了花了3500萬要來更新月台的資訊看板你看一下左邊月台顯示器你看它的顏色你看它的字體\n666360\t691555\t他這個一更新啦花那麼多錢啦旅客一邊罵聲啦然後很多民眾啦提出的批評我給部長參考一下啦他說這個字體啦都看不清楚啦你看一般都會用黑體字啦這對年長者比較友善因為那個字比較容易辨識嘛你要注意看台題用這種字體還有他使用的顏色\n696038\t722023\t保證你眼花撩亂還有許多搭乘者他習慣他是先看車種比如舉光號、志強號什麼號那你現在把大家習慣的用法改掉了你最前面列的是班次我請教很少人搭車會計班次的對不對部長那你回台中你坐高鐵都坐哪一個班次\n723042\t723783\t他中文是看5秒英文停10秒\n753035\t777437\t是到底看中文的多還是看英文的我發現很多旅客提供意見非常正確啊你開三千五百萬你還做到什麼報告委員這個我們會來改善好不好我們會來改善時間的關係啦我們希望台鐵已經公式化了那應該像一個公式化該有的效率和能力好不好好謝謝委員謝謝部長謝謝董事長謝謝委員\n","txt":"感謝主席。本席邀請我們交通部陳部長。有請陳部長。我們台鐵的杜董事長。杜董事長。好。部長好。委員好。部長我今天給你看個照片。好。這我們台南火車站的照片。\n你看一下我們台南火車站火車站是我們台南市的門戶現在很像一個工地左邊有圍那個綠色篱笆那個很難看右邊是改善後改善後還是一個工地比較好看一點的工地但是因為去年11月\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n那旅客進出啊 這個真的是個大笑話後來他都改成右邊 他有承諾要改啦然後還說要配合台灣燈會 台南建整400年那火車站要用一些燈光去給它裝飾啦 光雕啦那後來 後來全部跳票啦 那個胡說八道根本也沒有啦 現在就像右邊這樣子啦那重點是我要請教啦\n部長你要督促一下台鐵啦台南火車站整修啦什麼時候可以完工啦你知道這個火車站啦預計完工就是2021年後來延曆年說2022年1月\n結果呢,2022年的2月就被落令停工,為什麼?因為他破壞古蹟啦。就建,建,營造商跟建築師,我不知道發生什麼事啦。就是說,把古蹟給弄壞了。停工啦,停工到現在已經兩年半了。我不知道什麼時候可以完工了。他跟委員報告,來。\n跟委員報告臺南400年是一個非常臺灣很重要的一個里程碑所以一個都市裡面尤其在最近這100年來講的話火車站會是最關鍵的一個設施所以這個400年裡面最重要的這100年的火車站的設施必然要快速來完成尤其是古蹟的這個修護我看這個上面寫委員所提供的上面寫說修壞了這是非常的不應該那細節我是不是請那個臺鐵\n他已經停工兩年半了來杜董事長跟委員報告還是感謝委員你什麼時候可以動工那個現在的我講進度了現在的進度是因為先前我們招標要來持續修復工程這件事情沒有人來投標留標了那我們戲就他的原因是因為廠商不肯來是因為沒有辦法釐清楚說到底這裡面有多少你告訴我你的問題你解決了沒有\n有阿現在齁現在這個主要的問題阿你老公當時的完工啦台南台南市政府的文資局齁他現在同意齁來幫我們代辦調查阿那個代辦協議書已經好了所以他台南市政府所以什麼時候可以完工你也沒跑過啦這個完工照我的估算齁那什麼時候可以重新動工啦重新動工要到完成整個程序的話要到115年的年終\n這個火車站整修只剩10%\n那這十發就開始停工,停工兩年半,現在照杜董事長的解釋還要再等兩年才能動工,那動工不知道要做多久才可以完工,這台南會加薪嗎?報告員,這個你也積極在關心,那這個部分工程會跟交通部我們會把他列管,列管之後我們每一個月。你沒有辦法加快速度嗎?\n我們每一個月都來做檢討我們來協助台鐵公司來加快為了保留台南這個舊火車站整個鐵路地下化工程做了一個很重大的就當時工程設計就是以要保留這個火車站這個是1900年日本人開始蓋的比台北市火車站還早一年為了把它保留結果呢你為了把它整修搞成這樣子所以台鐵的這個\n速度確實要加快我們到115年才要開始動工那也太久了已經圍滿久了對於台南的一些小朋友來講他的記憶可能火車站就是有圍籬的狀態這是不好的那你至少要現在把它弄得好看一點\n進出要安全不要像旅客在工地裡面進進出出這個部分我們現在也有在做我們有配合台南設計展我們大概在10月中旬第二階段可以完成所以這個地方就有看出台北辦事情所以難怪\n董事長、副董事長,難怪你加個薪水,大家就賣了難怪你要自己技功,大家都罵了因為你也稍微有一點政治敏感度好不好你台鐵現在搞這樣子,你怎麼好意思加薪啊\n報告委員 這個是 這個薪資他們是由這個國營事業的董總 也就是主持人他的薪資標準下去評估我知道了 這時間點不到對吧第一個啦 台鐵員工的薪資本來就偏低啦我舉雙鐵來做個比較啦高鐵的中位數啦 薪資中位數啦非儲管的薪資中位數是99萬\n台鐵才68萬,薪水差30萬,年薪差了30萬再來,台鐵缺人,為什麼缺人?沒人要去啦你知道台鐵有招考部長你知道有好幾個項目是報考的人比需要應徵的人還少那幾乎可以全部報名就入局了,你知道嗎?\n而且海鐵目前的人力缺口多少?兩千多個?董事長你說明一下好不好?其實並沒有兩千多個跟委員報告我們今年度還要在第二次招募我們的招募含100個司機員是722人\n會來嗎?確定嗎?來,我再給你看台鐵,你看它的缺額公務、機務、電務缺額都有兩位數缺額都10%以上然後台鐵有1055個人公事化以後有超過1000個1055個人選擇領優退就離開了,不願意繼續待\n然後,台鐵的今年也預計有多少人要離職?今年預計也有1288個人要離職這是媒體公布的資料\n所以你去年公司化走了1055人今年還要再離開1288個人兩年啊 台北就走了2300多個人你今年啊 董事長都說要考 台北每年都考啦台北沒有一年不考啊 都沒人來啦那你 甚至還有零入局的所謂零入局就是零報到啦\n有錄取喔有通知你錄取喔恭喜你喔結果報導沒人來啦尤其在一個比較像東部那個地方啦\n那你怎麼辦所以我們這一次第二次招募的話我們針對東部跟技術的話我們會再來想辦法再來加強這不是我不會跟你說的啦你再看一下報員您這個資料齁這是2024年底統計那個齁這要容我回去再統計一下因為那個總計188我引用媒體的報導啦週刊的報導啦週刊報導7月就報導了你也不澄清你現在說我講的不對蛤\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n你看他跟郵政公司比一下郵政公司人流不掉啊以前覺得最辛苦的是港務公司台鐵比港務公司還嚴重啊台鐵今年上半年啊光目前離職就三百個人啊另外啊台鐵去年離職四百個人就是說他入曲然後他受不了又離開了這個我是覺得喔\n為什麼多年來這個是很長久的問題台鐵沒有辦法留住人才報告委員這兩方面我跟台鐵公司也在做商量跟討論兩方面要來處理一方面是公司的這個職場的文化那二方面其實是薪資的部分尤其是從業人員的薪資怎麼拉高怎麼會來努力因為新部長來我是讓你知道有這個狀況我希望部長要稍微督促一下另外\n台鐵對旅客的服務我們來看一下你不用說跟高鐵比你跟捷運比台鐵現在花了3500萬台鐵財富已經不好了花了3500萬要來更新月台的資訊看板你看一下左邊月台顯示器你看它的顏色你看它的字體\n他這個一更新啦花那麼多錢啦旅客一邊罵聲啦然後很多民眾啦提出的批評我給部長參考一下啦他說這個字體啦都看不清楚啦你看一般都會用黑體字啦這對年長者比較友善因為那個字比較容易辨識嘛你要注意看台題用這種字體還有他使用的顏色\n保證你眼花撩亂還有許多搭乘者他習慣他是先看車種比如舉光號、志強號什麼號那你現在把大家習慣的用法改掉了你最前面列的是班次我請教很少人搭車會計班次的對不對部長那你回台中你坐高鐵都坐哪一個班次\n他中文是看5秒英文停10秒\n是到底看中文的多還是看英文的我發現很多旅客提供意見非常正確啊你開三千五百萬你還做到什麼報告委員這個我們會來改善好不好我們會來改善時間的關係啦我們希望台鐵已經公式化了那應該像一個公式化該有的效率和能力好不好好謝謝委員謝謝部長謝謝董事長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.421 --> 00:24.344\n感謝主席。本席邀請我們交通部陳部長。有請陳部長。我們台鐵的杜董事長。杜董事長。好。部長好。委員好。部長我今天給你看個照片。好。這我們台南火車站的照片。\n\n00:26.963 --> 00:49.819\n你看一下我們台南火車站火車站是我們台南市的門戶現在很像一個工地左邊有圍那個綠色篱笆那個很難看右邊是改善後改善後還是一個工地比較好看一點的工地但是因為去年11月\n\n00:51.581 --> 01:08.411\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n01:21.823 --> 01:46.133\n那旅客進出啊這個真的是個大笑話後來他都改成右邊他有承諾要改啦然後還說要配合台灣燈會台南建整400年那火車站要用一些燈光去給它裝飾啦光雕啦那後來後來全部跳票啦那個胡說八道根本也沒有啦現在就像右邊這樣子啦那重點是我要請教啦\n\n01:47.401 --> 01:59.536\n部長你要督促一下台鐵啦台南火車站整修啦什麼時候可以完工啦你知道這個火車站啦預計完工就是2021年後來延曆年說2022年1月\n\n02:02.563 --> 02:24.750\n結果呢,2022年的2月就被落令停工,為什麼?因為他破壞古蹟啦。就建,建,營造商跟建築師,我不知道發生什麼事啦。就是說,把古蹟給弄壞了。停工啦,停工到現在已經兩年半了。我不知道什麼時候可以完工了。他跟委員報告,來。\n\n02:25.950 --> 02:51.992\n跟委員報告臺南400年是一個非常臺灣很重要的一個里程碑所以一個都市裡面尤其在最近這100年來講的話火車站會是最關鍵的一個設施所以這個400年裡面最重要的這100年的火車站的設施必然要快速來完成尤其是古蹟的這個修護我看這個上面寫委員所提供的上面寫說修壞了這是非常的不應該那細節我是不是請那個臺鐵\n\n02:52.853 --> 03:21.390\n他已經停工兩年半了來杜董事長跟委員報告還是感謝委員你什麼時候可以動工那個現在的我講進度了現在的進度是因為先前我們招標要來持續修復工程這件事情沒有人來投標留標了那我們戲就他的原因是因為廠商不肯來是因為沒有辦法釐清楚說到底這裡面有多少你告訴我你的問題你解決了沒有\n\n03:22.591 --> 03:50.322\n有阿現在齁現在這個主要的問題阿你老公當時的完工啦台南台南市政府的文資局齁他現在同意齁來幫我們代辦調查阿那個代辦協議書已經好了所以他台南市政府所以什麼時候可以完工你也沒跑過啦這個完工照我的估算齁那什麼時候可以重新動工啦重新動工要到完成整個程序的話要到115年的年終\n\n03:53.328 --> 03:55.090\n這個火車站整修只剩10%\n\n04:12.432 --> 04:34.864\n那這十發就開始停工,停工兩年半,現在照杜董事長的解釋還要再等兩年才能動工,那動工不知道要做多久才可以完工,這台南會加薪嗎?報告員,這個你也積極在關心,那這個部分工程會跟交通部我們會把他列管,列管之後我們每一個月。你沒有辦法加快速度嗎?\n\n04:35.464 --> 05:01.491\n我們每一個月都來做檢討我們來協助台鐵公司來加快為了保留台南這個舊火車站整個鐵路地下化工程做了一個很重大的就當時工程設計就是以要保留這個火車站這個是1900年日本人開始蓋的比台北市火車站還早一年為了把它保留結果呢你為了把它整修搞成這樣子所以台鐵的這個\n\n05:05.888 --> 05:22.575\n速度確實要加快我們到115年才要開始動工那也太久了已經圍滿久了對於台南的一些小朋友來講他的記憶可能火車站就是有圍籬的狀態這是不好的那你至少要現在把它弄得好看一點\n\n05:24.168 --> 05:48.884\n進出要安全不要像旅客在工地裡面進進出出這個部分我們現在也有在做我們有配合台南設計展我們大概在10月中旬第二階段可以完成所以這個地方就有看出台北辦事情所以難怪\n\n05:51.260 --> 06:09.614\n董事長、副董事長,難怪你加個薪水,大家就賣了難怪你要自己技功,大家都罵了因為你也稍微有一點政治敏感度好不好你台鐵現在搞這樣子,你怎麼好意思加薪啊\n\n06:10.914 --> 06:37.025\n報告委員這個是這個薪資他們是由這個國營事業的董總也就是主持人他的薪資標準下去評估我知道了這時間點不到對吧第一個啦台鐵員工的薪資本來就偏低啦我舉雙鐵來做個比較啦高鐵的中位數啦薪資中位數啦非儲管的薪資中位數是99萬\n\n06:38.868 --> 07:07.397\n台鐵才68萬,薪水差30萬,年薪差了30萬再來,台鐵缺人,為什麼缺人?沒人要去啦你知道台鐵有招考部長你知道有好幾個項目是報考的人比需要應徵的人還少那幾乎可以全部報名就入局了,你知道嗎?\n\n07:08.953 --> 07:24.037\n而且海鐵目前的人力缺口多少?兩千多個?董事長你說明一下好不好?其實並沒有兩千多個跟委員報告我們今年度還要在第二次招募我們的招募含100個司機員是722人\n\n07:36.031 --> 07:46.318\n會來嗎?確定嗎?來,我再給你看台鐵,你看它的缺額公務、機務、電務缺額都有兩位數缺額都10%以上然後台鐵有1055個人公事化以後有超過1000個1055個人選擇領優退就離開了,不願意繼續待\n\n08:03.700 --> 08:10.864\n然後,台鐵的今年也預計有多少人要離職?今年預計也有1288個人要離職這是媒體公布的資料\n\n08:24.485 --> 08:48.110\n所以你去年公司化走了1055人今年還要再離開1288個人兩年啊台北就走了2300多個人你今年啊董事長都說要考台北每年都考啦台北沒有一年不考啊都沒人來啦那你甚至還有零入局的所謂零入局就是零報到啦\n\n08:49.738 --> 08:58.150\n有錄取喔有通知你錄取喔恭喜你喔結果報導沒人來啦尤其在一個比較像東部那個地方啦\n\n08:59.229 --> 09:25.205\n那你怎麼辦所以我們這一次第二次招募的話我們針對東部跟技術的話我們會再來想辦法再來加強這不是我不會跟你說的啦你再看一下報員您這個資料齁這是2024年底統計那個齁這要容我回去再統計一下因為那個總計188我引用媒體的報導啦週刊的報導啦週刊報導7月就報導了你也不澄清你現在說我講的不對蛤\n\n09:28.899 --> 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