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00:00:19,349\n報告委員每一個局處該做簡報我都已經\n\n3\n00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:56,719\n理解過了都理解過一輪了而且我也到地方上面去各個局處該看的地方我也都盡量去看過我們不是只有在辦公室聽簡報我們也是用行動管理的方式那另外也跟委員報告我們所屬的單位其實有相當多的工會那也有很多勞工的權益的問題那我到目前為止也已經拜訪過四個工會那理解說每個單位的員工的想法\n\n4\n00:00:57,259 --> 00:01:24,241\n部長雖然您過去的經歷與交通業務關係不大不過本席原來希望您將會是一位稱職的交通部長希望部長加油本席想就這次本次的專報題目就教部長幾個問題首先我們今年的9月5號部長您在道安記者會有針對那個道路安全有提出9月起加強執法增加見警率那隨後遭基層員級批評官員拿不出良策需要警察背鍋\n\n5\n00:01:25,021 --> 00:01:49,176\n那隨後交通部門只有回應說提高見舉率主要是針對新人死亡較多的縣市不是所有的縣市都要強力大執法那這邊我想就叫我們的李副署長警政署的主管機關是誰執法的部門嗎警政署的主管機關主管就是交通組主管機關\n\n6\n00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:52,581\n跟委員報告其實早上有其他委員有問過這個問題\n\n7\n00:02:14,503 --> 00:02:26,068\n我覺得蠻可惜的因為針對交通安全的議題還有行人安全的議題我那天的論述其實相當的完整首先我希望能夠極盡可能的把工程改善的部分把它做好那第二個部分是教育的部分要做好\n\n8\n00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:54,046\n這樣說好了,執法面確實不是交通部的夜館但記者的問題是說針對行人道安的部分因為我剛剛有講過行人的死亡率有佔40%是因為違規而違規的樣態我們希望能夠有執法面來嚇阻大家違規的這個想法所以我們當然會做這樣的建議但這樣的建議不代表交通部可以這麼做但我們會去跟警政單位跟內政部來溝通\n\n9\n00:02:54,887 --> 00:03:19,452\n那我們這邊有實際的執行計畫了嗎?有明確了嗎?執行計畫,警政署和交通部?這樣說好了,我們的聯繫匯報其實裡面都有講不過說實在話,因為警政署是內政部所管轄那由內政部他們來決定怎麼樣執法我們能夠講的只有一點,就是說加強執法的部分必須要做這是交通部可以給的建議,如此而已是,我這邊就叫我們的李副署長\n\n10\n00:03:21,156 --> 00:03:27,363\n警政署在交通執法的部分我們對於行人交通事故發生\n\n11\n00:03:36,414 --> 00:03:51,673\n警政署負責的部分就是交通執法的部分那我們在對於行人交通安全的部分我們對於就是對於重大交通違規的部分包括路口不停讓行人還有非號字化路口未停車再開\n\n12\n00:03:52,814 --> 00:04:08,914\n人行道違規停車這幾樣的重大違規沒關係相信部長相信部長提出見警率是為了要增強民眾對交通安全的信心啦對不過部長希望那之後呢希望不要太過著急那這樣反而會造成反效果因為我們希望可以看到實際的計畫施行計畫\n\n13\n00:04:10,376 --> 00:04:39,284\n好報告委員其實說實在話我剛才也提過執法面其實不是交通部能夠做的啦我們只能建議那如果大家未來認為說執法面的建議交通部不需要多做其實或許我們未來的這個建議會減少我可以只有講工程面我們可以努力的部分還有這個交通安全宣導的部分因為據實交通部的權責是軟硬體設施的監管那包括像是交通動線然後還有我們行車交通安全的通行環境報告委員\n\n14\n00:04:39,864 --> 00:05:02,279\n就是因為全國的民眾跟我們所有的委員都相當關心行人的安全那跟道路的安全那這個部分其實大家都很期許交通部能夠多做一些所以講得比較完整部長的本意是出發點是好那這邊也要提醒部長因為我們來看到我們內政部的資料顯示全國遠景缺二數不斷攀升我們可以看到從110年從3000\n\n15\n00:05:04,981 --> 00:05:31,836\n三千四百二十八人提高到一百一十二年的四千四百八十八人另外我們也看到犯監案數也是逐年的攀升所以基層員警都已經不夠了可是犯案數也越來越高那基層員警他們在查緝案件的時候時間都不夠了要如果他們要為了提升您所您說的就是見警率去站入口的話那無疑是加重我們基層員警的工作負擔且壓縮其他的業務時間那部長還要繼續執行\n\n16\n00:05:35,017 --> 00:06:01,436\n報告委員,如果委員您認為說增加執法或者是這個增加見警率或增加遠景門的工作負擔希望交通部未來不要再提這方面的這個建議沒有問題,我們未來不提只要委員認為說這些執法面不需要交通部來建議那我們就不要去建議由內政部他們自己去判斷說該怎麼再增加執法或者是加強執法面該怎麼做\n\n17\n00:06:06,580 --> 00:06:26,980\n部長我們這邊也看到我們造成上半年行人死亡的人數高於去年同期的死亡人數的責任那很多我們要想想真的都是地方政府的錯嗎?如果將全數的過錯推給地方政府那對地方政府是非常的不公平法規是交通部定的那責任也是我們常常看到交通部都推給地方那難道交通部沒有責任嗎?請部長說明\n\n18\n00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:51,657\n報告委員我剛剛有說過全國的民眾包含所有的委員對於交通的改善其實大家最期許的是交通部要更努力所以我們才會提出這麼多的建議但是交通部當然要負擔很大的責任但是中央跟地方是一體的因為說實在話民眾走在路上發生了這個安全事故上面的問題那個跟中央跟地方大家不會去分那個\n\n19\n00:06:52,498 --> 00:07:13,732\n我們重點是要讓他能夠達到安全的狀況我們看到就是針對機車免兩段式左轉取消進行機車還有大型重機車停車格的問題甚至是道路的設計還有標誌標線等問題那常常都會用因地之疑來回復民眾的質疑那本席就是在想交通部是不是是不是要這樣的慣例是不是該廢除\n\n20\n00:07:15,049 --> 00:07:31,722\n其實標誌、標線跟號誌的指引中央只能夠訂立那個指引啦但實際上地方要怎麼去畫設停車格要怎麼去畫這些線是地方政府的權責那中央確實也沒有辦法去代替他們來做這樣子的工作這些是地方政府必須要去做的\n\n21\n00:07:32,782 --> 00:07:52,031\n那修法的部分要不要來做檢討修法的部分我們正在進行檢討當中這個部分其實委員也提供很多很好的建議那我們也都會納入那這個部分我們希望把整個修法面修得更完善然後讓交通更安全OK那接下來有請我們台鐵公司杜威董事長杜董事長\n\n22\n00:08:01,603 --> 00:08:17,549\n朱董事長好那朱董事長您有提到中秋禮金是依照交通部所屬機關員工紀律還有表揚的要點嗎發放那是依照公務人員紀律的辦法那紀律的辦法發放這獎勵不得以現金發放所以您所以現在目前我們\n\n23\n00:08:18,269 --> 00:08:44,017\n台鐵的同仁有在反應,那您和部長有討論了嗎?是,有討論,有討論,這個部分我們有討論,那我們交通部的部分也積極在協助,協助台鐵公司來做這方面的處理,我們知道說員工們的希望跟需求,那所以這個部分我也已經,因為規定是在全序部那邊,我已經跟全序部做聯繫,如果有需要的話我會親自到全序部去跟他們做溝通,\n\n24\n00:08:44,537 --> 00:09:01,705\n那不過,法令上面的規定到底能不能完成,這個不是交通部能夠在這邊決定的。是,那本席這邊也要提醒,勞動基準法第22條規定,公知知己夫應以法定通用貨幣為職,那接下來要怎麼發放給我們的台鐵同仁?\n\n25\n00:09:03,383 --> 00:09:21,129\n您是說獎金嗎對獎金有獎金的規定有獎金的規定對獎金薪資不一樣那這邊我這邊有有我們基層的同仁反映說臺鐵員工據勞工的身份啊因以勞基法來發放獎金他臺鐵公司是不發現金非法源的問題是不是不想發\n\n26\n00:09:22,369 --> 00:09:31,916\n不會啦那個跟委員報告如果今天可以發現金是那我們為什麼還要再多花時間去申購禮券來發放給同仁\n\n27\n00:09:34,575 --> 00:09:51,623\n因為原則上公司花的錢都一樣他們也不希望再多一次的行政手續再去換成禮券他們也希望能夠發現金那現在是卡在法規上面的問題那這個部分我們交通部盡量來協助\n\n28\n00:09:52,836 --> 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都理解過一輪了而且我也到地方上面去各個局處該看的地方我也都盡量去看過我們不是只有在辦公室聽簡報我們也是用行動管理的方式那另外也跟委員報告我們所屬的單位其實有相當多的工會那也有很多勞工的權益的問題那我到目前為止也已經拜訪過四個工會那理解說每個單位的員工的想法\n57259\t84241\t部長雖然您過去的經歷與交通業務關係不大不過本席原來希望您將會是一位稱職的交通部長希望部長加油本席想就這次本次的專報題目就教部長幾個問題首先我們今年的9月5號部長您在道安記者會有針對那個道路安全有提出9月起加強執法增加見警率那隨後遭基層員級批評官員拿不出良策需要警察背鍋\n85021\t109176\t那隨後交通部門只有回應說提高見舉率主要是針對新人死亡較多的縣市不是所有的縣市都要強力大執法那這邊我想就叫我們的李副署長警政署的主管機關是誰執法的部門嗎警政署的主管機關主管就是交通組主管機關\n111360\t112581\t跟委員報告其實早上有其他委員有問過這個問題\n134503\t146068\t我覺得蠻可惜的因為針對交通安全的議題還有行人安全的議題我那天的論述其實相當的完整首先我希望能夠極盡可能的把工程改善的部分把它做好那第二個部分是教育的部分要做好\n150190\t174046\t這樣說好了,執法面確實不是交通部的夜館但記者的問題是說針對行人道安的部分因為我剛剛有講過行人的死亡率有佔40%是因為違規而違規的樣態我們希望能夠有執法面來嚇阻大家違規的這個想法所以我們當然會做這樣的建議但這樣的建議不代表交通部可以這麼做但我們會去跟警政單位跟內政部來溝通\n174887\t199452\t那我們這邊有實際的執行計畫了嗎?有明確了嗎?執行計畫,警政署和交通部?這樣說好了,我們的聯繫匯報其實裡面都有講不過說實在話,因為警政署是內政部所管轄那由內政部他們來決定怎麼樣執法我們能夠講的只有一點,就是說加強執法的部分必須要做這是交通部可以給的建議,如此而已是,我這邊就叫我們的李副署長\n201156\t207363\t警政署在交通執法的部分我們對於行人交通事故發生\n216414\t231673\t警政署負責的部分就是交通執法的部分那我們在對於行人交通安全的部分我們對於就是對於重大交通違規的部分包括路口不停讓行人還有非號字化路口未停車再開\n232814\t248914\t人行道違規停車這幾樣的重大違規沒關係相信部長相信部長提出見警率是為了要增強民眾對交通安全的信心啦對不過部長希望那之後呢希望不要太過著急那這樣反而會造成反效果因為我們希望可以看到實際的計畫施行計畫\n250376\t279284\t好 報告委員其實說實在話我剛才也提過執法面其實不是交通部能夠做的啦我們只能建議那如果大家未來認為說執法面的建議交通部不需要多做其實或許我們未來的這個建議會減少我可以只有講工程面我們可以努力的部分還有這個交通安全宣導的部分因為據實交通部的權責是軟硬體設施的監管那包括像是交通動線然後還有我們行車交通安全的通行環境報告委員\n279864\t302279\t就是因為全國的民眾跟我們所有的委員都相當關心行人的安全那跟道路的安全那這個部分其實大家都很期許交通部能夠多做一些所以講得比較完整部長的本意是出發點是好那這邊也要提醒部長因為我們來看到我們內政部的資料顯示全國遠景缺二數不斷攀升我們可以看到從110年從3000\n304981\t331836\t三千四百二十八人提高到一百一十二年的四千四百八十八人另外我們也看到犯監案數也是逐年的攀升所以基層員警都已經不夠了可是犯案數也越來越高那基層員警他們在查緝案件的時候時間都不夠了要如果他們要為了提升您所您說的就是見警率去站入口的話那無疑是加重我們基層員警的工作負擔且壓縮其他的業務時間那部長還要繼續執行\n335017\t361436\t報告委員,如果委員您認為說增加執法或者是這個增加見警率或增加遠景門的工作負擔希望交通部未來不要再提這方面的這個建議沒有問題,我們未來不提只要委員認為說這些執法面不需要交通部來建議那我們就不要去建議由內政部他們自己去判斷說該怎麼再增加執法或者是加強執法面該怎麼做\n366580\t386980\t部長我們這邊也看到我們造成上半年行人死亡的人數高於去年同期的死亡人數的責任那很多我們要想想真的都是地方政府的錯嗎?如果將全數的過錯推給地方政府那對地方政府是非常的不公平法規是交通部定的那責任也是我們常常看到交通部都推給地方那難道交通部沒有責任嗎?請部長說明\n387760\t411657\t報告委員我剛剛有說過全國的民眾包含所有的委員對於交通的改善其實大家最期許的是交通部要更努力所以我們才會提出這麼多的建議但是交通部當然要負擔很大的責任但是中央跟地方是一體的因為說實在話民眾走在路上發生了這個安全事故上面的問題那個跟中央跟地方大家不會去分那個\n412498\t433732\t我們重點是要讓他能夠達到安全的狀況我們看到就是針對機車免兩段式左轉取消進行機車還有大型重機車停車格的問題甚至是道路的設計還有標誌標線等問題那常常都會用因地之疑來回復民眾的質疑那本席就是在想交通部是不是是不是要這樣的慣例是不是該廢除\n435049\t451722\t其實標誌、標線跟號誌的指引中央只能夠訂立那個指引啦但實際上地方要怎麼去畫設停車格要怎麼去畫這些線是地方政府的權責那中央確實也沒有辦法去代替他們來做這樣子的工作這些是地方政府必須要去做的\n452782\t472031\t那修法的部分要不要來做檢討修法的部分我們正在進行檢討當中這個部分其實委員也提供很多很好的建議那我們也都會納入那這個部分我們希望把整個修法面修得更完善然後讓交通更安全OK那接下來有請我們台鐵公司杜威董事長杜董事長\n481603\t497549\t朱董事長好那朱董事長您有提到中秋禮金是依照交通部所屬機關員工紀律還有表揚的要點嗎發放那是依照公務人員紀律的辦法那紀律的辦法發放這獎勵不得以現金發放所以您所以現在目前我們\n498269\t524017\t台鐵的同仁有在反應,那您和部長有討論了嗎?是,有討論,有討論,這個部分我們有討論,那我們交通部的部分也積極在協助,協助台鐵公司來做這方面的處理,我們知道說員工們的希望跟需求,那所以這個部分我也已經,因為規定是在全序部那邊,我已經跟全序部做聯繫,如果有需要的話我會親自到全序部去跟他們做溝通,\n524537\t541705\t那不過,法令上面的規定到底能不能完成,這個不是交通部能夠在這邊決定的。是,那本席這邊也要提醒,勞動基準法第22條規定,公知知己夫應以法定通用貨幣為職,那接下來要怎麼發放給我們的台鐵同仁?\n543383\t561129\t您是說獎金嗎對獎金有獎金的規定有獎金的規定對獎金薪資不一樣那這邊我這邊有有我們基層的同仁反映說臺鐵員工據勞工的身份啊因以勞基法來發放獎金他臺鐵公司是不發現金非法源的問題是不是不想發\n562369\t571916\t不會啦那個跟委員報告如果今天可以發現金是那我們為什麼還要再多花時間去申購禮券來發放給同仁\n574575\t591623\t因為原則上公司花的錢都一樣他們也不希望再多一次的行政手續再去換成禮券他們也希望能夠發現金那現在是卡在法規上面的問題那這個部分我們交通部盡量來協助\n592836\t609118\t是 那也希望就是部長那個針對我們那個見警率希望就是所以接下來提升見警率的部分我們交通部還會委員交代我以後就不會再講見警率甚至執法面的部分我們就請內政部他們來說明就可以了OK 好 謝謝部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席。主席、反省交通部陳部長還有警政署李副署長。好,這個警政署副署長。\n報告委員每一個局處該做簡報我都已經\n理解過了 都理解過一輪了而且我也到地方上面去各個局處該看的地方我也都盡量去看過我們不是只有在辦公室聽簡報我們也是用行動管理的方式那另外也跟委員報告我們所屬的單位其實有相當多的工會那也有很多勞工的權益的問題那我到目前為止也已經拜訪過四個工會那理解說每個單位的員工的想法\n部長雖然您過去的經歷與交通業務關係不大不過本席原來希望您將會是一位稱職的交通部長希望部長加油本席想就這次本次的專報題目就教部長幾個問題首先我們今年的9月5號部長您在道安記者會有針對那個道路安全有提出9月起加強執法增加見警率那隨後遭基層員級批評官員拿不出良策需要警察背鍋\n那隨後交通部門只有回應說提高見舉率主要是針對新人死亡較多的縣市不是所有的縣市都要強力大執法那這邊我想就叫我們的李副署長警政署的主管機關是誰執法的部門嗎警政署的主管機關主管就是交通組主管機關\n跟委員報告其實早上有其他委員有問過這個問題\n我覺得蠻可惜的因為針對交通安全的議題還有行人安全的議題我那天的論述其實相當的完整首先我希望能夠極盡可能的把工程改善的部分把它做好那第二個部分是教育的部分要做好\n這樣說好了,執法面確實不是交通部的夜館但記者的問題是說針對行人道安的部分因為我剛剛有講過行人的死亡率有佔40%是因為違規而違規的樣態我們希望能夠有執法面來嚇阻大家違規的這個想法所以我們當然會做這樣的建議但這樣的建議不代表交通部可以這麼做但我們會去跟警政單位跟內政部來溝通\n那我們這邊有實際的執行計畫了嗎?有明確了嗎?執行計畫,警政署和交通部?這樣說好了,我們的聯繫匯報其實裡面都有講不過說實在話,因為警政署是內政部所管轄那由內政部他們來決定怎麼樣執法我們能夠講的只有一點,就是說加強執法的部分必須要做這是交通部可以給的建議,如此而已是,我這邊就叫我們的李副署長\n警政署在交通執法的部分我們對於行人交通事故發生\n警政署負責的部分就是交通執法的部分那我們在對於行人交通安全的部分我們對於就是對於重大交通違規的部分包括路口不停讓行人還有非號字化路口未停車再開\n人行道違規停車這幾樣的重大違規沒關係相信部長相信部長提出見警率是為了要增強民眾對交通安全的信心啦對不過部長希望那之後呢希望不要太過著急那這樣反而會造成反效果因為我們希望可以看到實際的計畫施行計畫\n好 報告委員其實說實在話我剛才也提過執法面其實不是交通部能夠做的啦我們只能建議那如果大家未來認為說執法面的建議交通部不需要多做其實或許我們未來的這個建議會減少我可以只有講工程面我們可以努力的部分還有這個交通安全宣導的部分因為據實交通部的權責是軟硬體設施的監管那包括像是交通動線然後還有我們行車交通安全的通行環境報告委員\n就是因為全國的民眾跟我們所有的委員都相當關心行人的安全那跟道路的安全那這個部分其實大家都很期許交通部能夠多做一些所以講得比較完整部長的本意是出發點是好那這邊也要提醒部長因為我們來看到我們內政部的資料顯示全國遠景缺二數不斷攀升我們可以看到從110年從3000\n三千四百二十八人提高到一百一十二年的四千四百八十八人另外我們也看到犯監案數也是逐年的攀升所以基層員警都已經不夠了可是犯案數也越來越高那基層員警他們在查緝案件的時候時間都不夠了要如果他們要為了提升您所您說的就是見警率去站入口的話那無疑是加重我們基層員警的工作負擔且壓縮其他的業務時間那部長還要繼續執行\n報告委員,如果委員您認為說增加執法或者是這個增加見警率或增加遠景門的工作負擔希望交通部未來不要再提這方面的這個建議沒有問題,我們未來不提只要委員認為說這些執法面不需要交通部來建議那我們就不要去建議由內政部他們自己去判斷說該怎麼再增加執法或者是加強執法面該怎麼做\n部長我們這邊也看到我們造成上半年行人死亡的人數高於去年同期的死亡人數的責任那很多我們要想想真的都是地方政府的錯嗎?如果將全數的過錯推給地方政府那對地方政府是非常的不公平法規是交通部定的那責任也是我們常常看到交通部都推給地方那難道交通部沒有責任嗎?請部長說明\n報告委員我剛剛有說過全國的民眾包含所有的委員對於交通的改善其實大家最期許的是交通部要更努力所以我們才會提出這麼多的建議但是交通部當然要負擔很大的責任但是中央跟地方是一體的因為說實在話民眾走在路上發生了這個安全事故上面的問題那個跟中央跟地方大家不會去分那個\n我們重點是要讓他能夠達到安全的狀況我們看到就是針對機車免兩段式左轉取消進行機車還有大型重機車停車格的問題甚至是道路的設計還有標誌標線等問題那常常都會用因地之疑來回復民眾的質疑那本席就是在想交通部是不是是不是要這樣的慣例是不是該廢除\n其實標誌、標線跟號誌的指引中央只能夠訂立那個指引啦但實際上地方要怎麼去畫設停車格要怎麼去畫這些線是地方政府的權責那中央確實也沒有辦法去代替他們來做這樣子的工作這些是地方政府必須要去做的\n那修法的部分要不要來做檢討修法的部分我們正在進行檢討當中這個部分其實委員也提供很多很好的建議那我們也都會納入那這個部分我們希望把整個修法面修得更完善然後讓交通更安全OK那接下來有請我們台鐵公司杜威董事長杜董事長\n朱董事長好那朱董事長您有提到中秋禮金是依照交通部所屬機關員工紀律還有表揚的要點嗎發放那是依照公務人員紀律的辦法那紀律的辦法發放這獎勵不得以現金發放所以您所以現在目前我們\n台鐵的同仁有在反應,那您和部長有討論了嗎?是,有討論,有討論,這個部分我們有討論,那我們交通部的部分也積極在協助,協助台鐵公司來做這方面的處理,我們知道說員工們的希望跟需求,那所以這個部分我也已經,因為規定是在全序部那邊,我已經跟全序部做聯繫,如果有需要的話我會親自到全序部去跟他們做溝通,\n那不過,法令上面的規定到底能不能完成,這個不是交通部能夠在這邊決定的。是,那本席這邊也要提醒,勞動基準法第22條規定,公知知己夫應以法定通用貨幣為職,那接下來要怎麼發放給我們的台鐵同仁?\n您是說獎金嗎對獎金有獎金的規定有獎金的規定對獎金薪資不一樣那這邊我這邊有有我們基層的同仁反映說臺鐵員工據勞工的身份啊因以勞基法來發放獎金他臺鐵公司是不發現金非法源的問題是不是不想發\n不會啦那個跟委員報告如果今天可以發現金是那我們為什麼還要再多花時間去申購禮券來發放給同仁\n因為原則上公司花的錢都一樣他們也不希望再多一次的行政手續再去換成禮券他們也希望能夠發現金那現在是卡在法規上面的問題那這個部分我們交通部盡量來協助\n是 那也希望就是部長那個針對我們那個見警率希望就是所以接下來提升見警率的部分我們交通部還會委員交代我以後就不會再講見警率甚至執法面的部分我們就請內政部他們來說明就可以了OK 好 謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.469 --> 00:08.457\n謝謝主席。主席、反省交通部陳部長還有警政署李副署長。好,這個警政署副署長。\n\n00:17.927 --> 00:19.349\n報告委員每一個局處該做簡報我都已經\n\n00:34.170 --> 00:56.719\n理解過了都理解過一輪了而且我也到地方上面去各個局處該看的地方我也都盡量去看過我們不是只有在辦公室聽簡報我們也是用行動管理的方式那另外也跟委員報告我們所屬的單位其實有相當多的工會那也有很多勞工的權益的問題那我到目前為止也已經拜訪過四個工會那理解說每個單位的員工的想法\n\n00:57.259 --> 01:24.241\n部長雖然您過去的經歷與交通業務關係不大不過本席原來希望您將會是一位稱職的交通部長希望部長加油本席想就這次本次的專報題目就教部長幾個問題首先我們今年的9月5號部長您在道安記者會有針對那個道路安全有提出9月起加強執法增加見警率那隨後遭基層員級批評官員拿不出良策需要警察背鍋\n\n01:25.021 --> 01:49.176\n那隨後交通部門只有回應說提高見舉率主要是針對新人死亡較多的縣市不是所有的縣市都要強力大執法那這邊我想就叫我們的李副署長警政署的主管機關是誰執法的部門嗎警政署的主管機關主管就是交通組主管機關\n\n01:51.360 --> 01:52.581\n跟委員報告其實早上有其他委員有問過這個問題\n\n02:14.503 --> 02:26.068\n我覺得蠻可惜的因為針對交通安全的議題還有行人安全的議題我那天的論述其實相當的完整首先我希望能夠極盡可能的把工程改善的部分把它做好那第二個部分是教育的部分要做好\n\n02:30.190 --> 02:54.046\n這樣說好了,執法面確實不是交通部的夜館但記者的問題是說針對行人道安的部分因為我剛剛有講過行人的死亡率有佔40%是因為違規而違規的樣態我們希望能夠有執法面來嚇阻大家違規的這個想法所以我們當然會做這樣的建議但這樣的建議不代表交通部可以這麼做但我們會去跟警政單位跟內政部來溝通\n\n02:54.887 --> 03:19.452\n那我們這邊有實際的執行計畫了嗎?有明確了嗎?執行計畫,警政署和交通部?這樣說好了,我們的聯繫匯報其實裡面都有講不過說實在話,因為警政署是內政部所管轄那由內政部他們來決定怎麼樣執法我們能夠講的只有一點,就是說加強執法的部分必須要做這是交通部可以給的建議,如此而已是,我這邊就叫我們的李副署長\n\n03:21.156 --> 03:27.363\n警政署在交通執法的部分我們對於行人交通事故發生\n\n03:36.414 --> 03:51.673\n警政署負責的部分就是交通執法的部分那我們在對於行人交通安全的部分我們對於就是對於重大交通違規的部分包括路口不停讓行人還有非號字化路口未停車再開\n\n03:52.814 --> 04:08.914\n人行道違規停車這幾樣的重大違規沒關係相信部長相信部長提出見警率是為了要增強民眾對交通安全的信心啦對不過部長希望那之後呢希望不要太過著急那這樣反而會造成反效果因為我們希望可以看到實際的計畫施行計畫\n\n04:10.376 --> 04:39.284\n好報告委員其實說實在話我剛才也提過執法面其實不是交通部能夠做的啦我們只能建議那如果大家未來認為說執法面的建議交通部不需要多做其實或許我們未來的這個建議會減少我可以只有講工程面我們可以努力的部分還有這個交通安全宣導的部分因為據實交通部的權責是軟硬體設施的監管那包括像是交通動線然後還有我們行車交通安全的通行環境報告委員\n\n04:39.864 --> 05:02.279\n就是因為全國的民眾跟我們所有的委員都相當關心行人的安全那跟道路的安全那這個部分其實大家都很期許交通部能夠多做一些所以講得比較完整部長的本意是出發點是好那這邊也要提醒部長因為我們來看到我們內政部的資料顯示全國遠景缺二數不斷攀升我們可以看到從110年從3000\n\n05:04.981 --> 05:31.836\n三千四百二十八人提高到一百一十二年的四千四百八十八人另外我們也看到犯監案數也是逐年的攀升所以基層員警都已經不夠了可是犯案數也越來越高那基層員警他們在查緝案件的時候時間都不夠了要如果他們要為了提升您所您說的就是見警率去站入口的話那無疑是加重我們基層員警的工作負擔且壓縮其他的業務時間那部長還要繼續執行\n\n05:35.017 --> 06:01.436\n報告委員,如果委員您認為說增加執法或者是這個增加見警率或增加遠景門的工作負擔希望交通部未來不要再提這方面的這個建議沒有問題,我們未來不提只要委員認為說這些執法面不需要交通部來建議那我們就不要去建議由內政部他們自己去判斷說該怎麼再增加執法或者是加強執法面該怎麼做\n\n06:06.580 --> 06:26.980\n部長我們這邊也看到我們造成上半年行人死亡的人數高於去年同期的死亡人數的責任那很多我們要想想真的都是地方政府的錯嗎?如果將全數的過錯推給地方政府那對地方政府是非常的不公平法規是交通部定的那責任也是我們常常看到交通部都推給地方那難道交通部沒有責任嗎?請部長說明\n\n06:27.760 --> 06:51.657\n報告委員我剛剛有說過全國的民眾包含所有的委員對於交通的改善其實大家最期許的是交通部要更努力所以我們才會提出這麼多的建議但是交通部當然要負擔很大的責任但是中央跟地方是一體的因為說實在話民眾走在路上發生了這個安全事故上面的問題那個跟中央跟地方大家不會去分那個\n\n06:52.498 --> 07:13.732\n我們重點是要讓他能夠達到安全的狀況我們看到就是針對機車免兩段式左轉取消進行機車還有大型重機車停車格的問題甚至是道路的設計還有標誌標線等問題那常常都會用因地之疑來回復民眾的質疑那本席就是在想交通部是不是是不是要這樣的慣例是不是該廢除\n\n07:15.049 --> 07:31.722\n其實標誌、標線跟號誌的指引中央只能夠訂立那個指引啦但實際上地方要怎麼去畫設停車格要怎麼去畫這些線是地方政府的權責那中央確實也沒有辦法去代替他們來做這樣子的工作這些是地方政府必須要去做的\n\n07:32.782 --> 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