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00:00:59,135\n主席、各位委員有請部長部長好委員好恭喜部長這個我先從臺灣十大建設來講1974年那時候你還沒出生我1977年1974年臺灣十大建設\n\n3\n00:01:11,434 --> 00:01:34,359\n其中一個就是北迴鐵路在這邊那時候的經濟不是那麼好但是當時的政府蔣經國總統沒有忘記花東的重大建設北迴鐵路北迴鐵路1979年那已經出生了1979年完工兩歲前線通車在1980年前線通車\n\n4\n00:01:41,793 --> 00:02:08,294\n總共這個到現在已經四十多年了新建的騎乘五年多王宮到現在四十多年這北迴鐵路因為我那時候這個王宮的時候已經這個正好大學畢業所以我是華聯人所以常常會很期待常常做這四十多年來\n\n5\n00:02:10,191 --> 00:02:38,178\n這四十多年來無論再怎麼大的地震再怎麼樣大的颱風、豪雨這四十多年來都沒有怎麼樣那這一次0403地震因為這個一震0403大地震的當天北迴鐵路也都沒有怎麼樣非常好但是因為這一次的一震\n\n6\n00:02:39,369 --> 00:03:03,906\n特別特別的多到現在都還在增對到5月10號的時候移證是1396次到8月16號移證是1653次也就是因為移證特別多所以整個山整個山的土石鬆動是沒錯所謂一下大移\n\n7\n00:03:04,963 --> 00:03:19,869\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。四、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。五、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。六、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n8\n00:03:33,104 --> 00:04:01,626\n這個就是現在從德到何人之間的一個現況所以我們必須要去解決這個部分所以這個部分蘇花安還有台鐵的這個相關的這些改善你們有沒有一個方向?蘇花安的部分我們現在都積極在規劃這個部分本來就是既定的政策也正在進行當中這個部分會更加快的來進行\n\n9\n00:04:02,907 --> 00:04:29,275\n那針對鐵路的部分委員您剛剛上一張照片有嗅到其實它那個隧石是從上面差不多一千多公尺下來那這個部分在下面做防置我們只能積極地用人工的方式或者是說用工程的方式讓那些土石下來可以趕快流出去這個部分我們積極在做那另外就是說比較中期來看的話鐵路方面做明隧道大概是中期的規劃不過要坦白跟委員報告因為人定不一定能夠勝天\n\n10\n00:04:31,255 --> 00:04:51,964\n大自然的力量實在是太大了所以讓我們不得不考慮就是說從德道河仁的這一段這一段的鐵道我們也有可能長期要規劃一個改道的可能性那我們目前正在做討論當中因為對花蓮人來講也好或者對東部人來講也好這個北回的鐵路回家的安全的道路實在是太重要了\n\n11\n00:04:52,364 --> 00:05:11,751\n所以這個部分我們也會做短期目前的安全很重要要先處理那中期民隧道的部分也是要處理他的安全問題那長期來看做改道或許是一個會更安全的方式那短中長期我們都來努力好部長齁這個我剛才為什麼要先從北回鐵路開始講是\n\n12\n00:05:13,174 --> 00:05:14,494\n現在以現在的工程技術、科技的發達\n\n13\n00:05:38,854 --> 00:06:06,808\n絕對可以解決這些問題所以這個部分要去加油報告這段我相當理解因為我已經去三次那個地方我去看三次你也去了很多次蘇阿安剛提到的蘇阿安我們先看這個蘇阿安這個整個環評還有部落的諮商同意都OK了但是現在說要121年才會完工通車我來做比較\n\n14\n00:06:08,501 --> 00:06:34,849\n蘇發安就是針對蘇發改還沒有做的部分東澳到南澳、和平到和中、和人到崇德我們來做比較蘇發改民國97年11月10號行政院核定可行性研究之後100年1月29號就動工了只有這麼短的時間兩年兩個月就動工了\n\n15\n00:06:36,233 --> 00:07:03,802\n一零九一二六號前線通車你看我們看蘇阿安一百零八年十二月二十號行政院核定可行性研究到現在已經四年十個月了還沒有動工而且一季完工的期程從一一九延到一二零現在又延到一二一而且都還沒有動工所以這個部分\n\n16\n00:07:05,002 --> 00:07:24,969\n請問一下什麼時候可以動工?報告委員我們目前正在做細部設計也準備要跟行政院來爭取預算因為綜合規劃已經都結束了所以我們現在等環評通過之後環評也已經過了那現在正在爭取預算的過程當中那只要爭取到預算我們就馬上會來做動工\n\n17\n00:07:26,572 --> 00:07:52,015\n所以預算是非常重要所以拜託委員支持要加油不是不是我們絕對是全力支持我翻了整個預算書沒有啊然後前三正設裡面也沒有啊所以這個部分所以部長你真的要去加油這個這樣的一個期程這個都會涉及到你要做就先做\n\n18\n00:07:53,322 --> 00:08:03,365\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n19\n00:08:11,107 --> 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--> 00:30.462\n報信好\n\n00:42.124 --> 00:59.135\n主席、各位委員有請部長部長好委員好恭喜部長這個我先從臺灣十大建設來講1974年那時候你還沒出生我1977年1974年臺灣十大建設\n\n01:11.434 --> 01:34.359\n其中一個就是北迴鐵路在這邊那時候的經濟不是那麼好但是當時的政府蔣經國總統沒有忘記花東的重大建設北迴鐵路北迴鐵路1979年那已經出生了1979年完工兩歲前線通車在1980年前線通車\n\n01:41.793 --> 02:08.294\n總共這個到現在已經四十多年了新建的騎乘五年多王宮到現在四十多年這北迴鐵路因為我那時候這個王宮的時候已經這個正好大學畢業所以我是華聯人所以常常會很期待常常做這四十多年來\n\n02:10.191 --> 02:38.178\n這四十多年來無論再怎麼大的地震再怎麼樣大的颱風、豪雨這四十多年來都沒有怎麼樣那這一次0403地震因為這個一震0403大地震的當天北迴鐵路也都沒有怎麼樣非常好但是因為這一次的一震\n\n02:39.369 --> 03:03.906\n特別特別的多到現在都還在增對到5月10號的時候移證是1396次到8月16號移證是1653次也就是因為移證特別多所以整個山整個山的土石鬆動是沒錯所謂一下大移\n\n03:04.963 --> 03:19.869\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。四、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。五、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。六、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n03:33.104 --> 04:01.626\n這個就是現在從德到何人之間的一個現況所以我們必須要去解決這個部分所以這個部分蘇花安還有台鐵的這個相關的這些改善你們有沒有一個方向?蘇花安的部分我們現在都積極在規劃這個部分本來就是既定的政策也正在進行當中這個部分會更加快的來進行\n\n04:02.907 --> 04:29.275\n那針對鐵路的部分委員您剛剛上一張照片有嗅到其實它那個隧石是從上面差不多一千多公尺下來那這個部分在下面做防置我們只能積極地用人工的方式或者是說用工程的方式讓那些土石下來可以趕快流出去這個部分我們積極在做那另外就是說比較中期來看的話鐵路方面做明隧道大概是中期的規劃不過要坦白跟委員報告因為人定不一定能夠勝天\n\n04:31.255 --> 04:51.964\n大自然的力量實在是太大了所以讓我們不得不考慮就是說從德道河仁的這一段這一段的鐵道我們也有可能長期要規劃一個改道的可能性那我們目前正在做討論當中因為對花蓮人來講也好或者對東部人來講也好這個北回的鐵路回家的安全的道路實在是太重要了\n\n04:52.364 --> 05:11.751\n所以這個部分我們也會做短期目前的安全很重要要先處理那中期民隧道的部分也是要處理他的安全問題那長期來看做改道或許是一個會更安全的方式那短中長期我們都來努力好部長齁這個我剛才為什麼要先從北回鐵路開始講是\n\n05:13.174 --> 05:14.494\n現在以現在的工程技術、科技的發達\n\n05:38.854 --> 06:06.808\n絕對可以解決這些問題所以這個部分要去加油報告這段我相當理解因為我已經去三次那個地方我去看三次你也去了很多次蘇阿安剛提到的蘇阿安我們先看這個蘇阿安這個整個環評還有部落的諮商同意都OK了但是現在說要121年才會完工通車我來做比較\n\n06:08.501 --> 06:34.849\n蘇發安就是針對蘇發改還沒有做的部分東澳到南澳、和平到和中、和人到崇德我們來做比較蘇發改民國97年11月10號行政院核定可行性研究之後100年1月29號就動工了只有這麼短的時間兩年兩個月就動工了\n\n06:36.233 --> 07:03.802\n一零九一二六號前線通車你看我們看蘇阿安一百零八年十二月二十號行政院核定可行性研究到現在已經四年十個月了還沒有動工而且一季完工的期程從一一九延到一二零現在又延到一二一而且都還沒有動工所以這個部分\n\n07:05.002 --> 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Kacaw委員：所以一下大雨就造成土石流，蘇花公路、北迴鐵路在崇德到和仁之間就是這樣發生的。在這段時間非常謝謝交通部，也謝謝公路總局還有鐵路局，應該是臺鐵公司，現在已經不叫鐵路局了。"],["陳部長世凱：對，是臺鐵公司，已經公司化了。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：臺鐵公司的同仁非常的辛苦，來做相關的這些工作。這個就是現在崇德到和仁之間的現況，我們必須要去解決這個部分，對於這個部分蘇花安還有臺鐵相關的這些改善，你們有沒有一個方向？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，對蘇花安的部分我們現在都積極在規劃，這個部分本來就是既定的政策，也正在進行當中，這個部分會更加快的來進行。那針對鐵路的部分，委員剛剛上一張照片有show到，其實那個碎石是從上面差不多一千多公尺下來，這個部分在下面防治，我們只能積極的用人工的方式或者是用工程的方式，讓那些土石下來之後可以趕快流出去，這個部分我們積極在做。另外就是比較中期來看的話，鐵路方面做明隧道大概是中期的規劃，不過要坦白跟委員報告，因為人不一定能夠勝天，大自然的力量實在是太大了，所以讓我們不得不考慮，就是對崇德到和仁的這一段鐵道，我們也有可能長期規劃改道的可能性，我們目前正在討論當中，因為對花蓮人來講也好，或者對東部人來講也好，這個北迴鐵路、回家的安全道路實在是太重要了，所以這個部分我們也會做。在短期方面，目前的安全很重要，要先處理；在中期方面，對明隧道的部分也是要處理它的安全問題；長期來看，改道或許是一個會更安全的方式，短中長期我們都來努力。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長，我剛才為什麼先從北迴鐵路開始講？因為部長很重要，總統不會很清楚，當時蔣經國總統也不是有這個專業，但是交通部提出來，行政院支持，總統支持。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以交通部要提出一個非常好的規劃，以現在的工程技術、科技的發達，絕對可以解決這些問題，所以這個部分要去加油。"],["陳部長世凱：好，報告委員，這個部分我相當理解，因為我已經去3次了，這個地方我去看了3次。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，我知道，非常謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：你也去了很多次。"],["鄭天財Sra 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Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭天財委員。接著我們請魯明哲委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":388,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-2","speakers":["魯明哲","蔡其昌","李昆澤","許智傑","何欣純","廖先翔","萬美玲","林沛祥","陳素月","林俊憲","徐富癸","邱若華","游顥","賴士葆","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","王鴻薇","黃國昌","盧縣一","林月琴","洪申翰","牛煦庭","黃健豪","羅智強","蔡易餘","葉元之","徐欣瑩","林國成","劉建國","傅崐萁"],"page_start":293,"meetingDate":["2024-09-26"],"gazette_id":"1137601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137601_00010"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部、內政部警政署及內政部國土管理署就「行人交通安全改善\n成效暨道路見警率對於道安事故防範效益與警力配置」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、邀請交通\n部部長陳世凱就「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫」進行專題報告，並備質\n詢；三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱及國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司董事長杜微就「臺鐵公司化執行情\n況、獎敘規範暨軌道月台旅客安全規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1137601_00018"}}}