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00:02:35,653\n我懂我懂沒有沒有沒有不是我不是這個意思好啦我只是真的說一說啦其實講真的今天溝通一個議程啊都是交通很多領域在休會期間很多民眾關心的議題啦然後第二個呢因為剛剛我也說了那在整個休會的過程中新部長上任只有您一位嘛我們趕快一定要比其他的委員會早點開學了齁沒有問題我昨天也有講說要得勤學獎我們一起得勤學獎對好\n\n8\n00:02:37,775 --> 00:02:58,035\n我們這一堆人要變你的學伴你要快點學習事實上剛剛第一位發言的也是過去你的這個算是老師我們蔡局長副院長那事實上我感覺你是抱著一個我們要好好用心學習然後我對於已經專業我要尊重專業\n\n9\n00:02:59,574 --> 00:03:22,714\n我們會認真做你的一個管理可是我們發覺在很多上面你過去真的沒有經驗那在交通部長其實很多民眾的一個期待是希望能夠有一些遠見因為在交通的領域不管從政策、工具很多面向發展太快了太快了那我們覺得要有遠見就是說你已經具備了一些交通領域的一個專業比較\n\n10\n00:03:24,776 --> 00:03:46,003\n有機會去推演他一些發展這是很多人一個期待當然我們希望你能夠學習快一點在我過去早期就業的時候其實我跟你的心理某個部分也一樣所以每次看到那個要就業的時候都一定講說我要應徵一個新的職務我大學畢業\n\n11\n00:03:47,284 --> 00:04:12,339\n那你是告訴我你要有三年經驗我就沒有三年經驗你不給我機會我怎麼會有這個經驗可是這僅止於應徵在基層的員工跟基層的幹部像你現在直接應徵進來的是一個部長加大越大所以我真的是希望說你在學習的過程你能夠速度要快一點\n\n12\n00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:36,242\n你知道台積電是台灣的護國神山嘛對不對事實上也很我是覺得台積電已經不可否認變成我們國力的一部分喔在很多地方都展現了甚至先進的國家大家搶著要台積電我相信啊不光是張忠謀董事長一個人的一個能量他一定要有這樣的一個遠見\n\n13\n00:04:37,765 --> 00:05:05,064\n你知道嗎我覺得他帶了一些人人對了這個企業的方向大概就成功了八成你覺得對不對我認為是對的對那你知道嗎張忠謀董事長啊他在應徵人他有一個死穴他的死穴是說如果有人跟我說一句話面試直接淘汰啊就是說在這間公司有很多學習的機會\n\n14\n00:05:06,425 --> 00:05:26,740\n所以這就直接淘汰他邏輯很簡單啦因為現在科技也在打仗嘛大家都需要集戰力我願意把這句話真的送給你啦事實上在交通部他是一個非常明顯有太多重大建設這個的部分在推動的這個部分你大概需要多少的學習時間呢請說\n\n15\n00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:55,728\n您在交通委員會也相當久的時間您應該也很清楚整個交通部的業務跨得非常的廣光是鐵路有鐵路一般的鐵路高鐵跟捷運光是公路有一般的公路還有道路安全的問題還有高速公路然後我們還有跨到了氣象還有跨到了觀光還有跨到了航空還有跨到了航港就是港那港的部分有硬體建設也有船舶的管理\n\n16\n00:05:56,528 --> 00:06:24,099\n其實跨的面向相當的大我相信過去到現在為止雖然說我之前有提過一個數據有差不多15位部長不是本科系畢業的那另外一件事是我剛才說過他跨的領域這麼大的狀況底下有任何一個部長不需要學習嗎我相信每一位部長都很努力在學習其實我拜訪過好幾位前部長他們都跟我說他們剛來的時候前三個月每個晚上在上課每個晚上在看資料\n\n17\n00:06:24,699 --> 00:06:53,516\n每一個部長都要積極努力的學習那這個部分我也會努力但我要跟委員報告您剛剛所說的那三點是我被公布說發布說要來接這個單位的時候我所說的但是我很清楚委員您的交代也很清楚我也知道一上任就要是集戰力所以到現在為止今天的質詢到目前大家委員給我的指教我都吸收以外就是我們能夠做處置的部分如果有哪裡做得不好我也好希望委員給我指教跟指導好\n\n18\n00:06:54,657 --> 00:07:16,597\n這個部長其實對我們來講這是你剛剛講說你的一個想法那其實對我們的想法我們覺得說真的有幾分無奈了因為新的政府這個上任之後我們一個半月的時間好不容易跟前任部長磨合了把地方要做的事情好不容易講清楚了花了很多的精神我們要重新開始所以我們也要\n\n19\n00:07:17,378 --> 00:07:43,076\n沒什麼耐心啊所以你要學快一點那很多委員都提到了這個行人死傷也是很多的一個團體在關心的我們法規上路了大家覺得按照道理很多的一個相對的法規上路了而且包括了從總統到行政院到交通部甚至相關的一個單位都在做軟硬挺的一個努力過程中但在112年年底看這個數字還是增加\n\n20\n00:07:43,877 --> 00:08:11,438\n那最近在東海大學發生這個憾事我想就請教一下我看到部長你有發言我請教一下你對這個案子這個我只想問兩件事這一台公車到底有沒有裝這個ADAS就是先進的駕駛輔助系統他到底這台車有沒有裝其中六個面向盲點偵測他到底有沒有\n\n21\n00:08:12,586 --> 00:08:37,628\n還是第二個是他有裝再來是正常的嗎還是壞掉了因為駕駛最後的說法是說我不知道是真的還假的天氣太暗當然因為有時候駕駛的路況真的是不一定那我在想這件事情部長有沒有去了解這台車到底有沒有盲點監測系統裝在車上是可用的嗎\n\n22\n00:08:38,369 --> 00:08:43,688\n報告委員您剛剛所說的這個ADAS的部分我們得到的訊息是有裝的是有裝的\n\n23\n00:08:44,718 --> 00:08:48,941\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n\n24\n00:09:14,918 --> 00:09:43,450\n麻煩去了解一下我目前強制的是盲點的這個影像的部分這個確定是有的這個沒有問題確定是有的那當下其實主要是司機他可能沒有去理會或者是沒有去看那個東西那第二他其實該停等的這個動作這是強制的有罰則的停等的這個動作他沒有做不是你那個盲點偵測系統將一般的轎車事實上都會叫的我不知道那是什麼狀況我建議你們要去了解好不好\n\n25\n00:09:44,756 --> 00:09:45,959\n以死亡人數來做一個分析\n\n26\n00:09:53,749 --> 00:10:16,763\n那這個部分就像剛剛部長你也有看過這相關的一些資料在警政署各個分局統計啊他到底發生這樣的一個死亡他想辦法去歸類在歸因在駕駛端有29類的原因在行人端有分成7類的原因然後呢在112年8月到113年6月因為我們要資料的時候只有統計11個月\n\n27\n00:10:18,944 --> 00:10:34,132\n總共343人行人因為交通事故死亡我們看了一下駕駛端242大概佔7成主要是因為駕駛因素第二個行人端30%那我們來看\n\n28\n00:10:36,993 --> 00:11:01,146\n趙英的排名呢就像你剛剛有說的有說的第一個是主要駕駛端沒有在斑馬線先暫停讓路人先行那第二名呢是行人行人部分他可能不看號誌或者沒有走標線穿越馬路第三個也是駕駛端不管是分心恍神等等的因為我們的交通部\n\n29\n00:11:02,667 --> 00:11:25,868\n從交通的政策、相關的一些規劃、教育甚至對於駕駛人車輛的一個監管都是你們那在教育的部分你們有沒有嘗試的針對於駕駛端、行人端分別要在哪個地方投入這個教育比較有效麻煩你說一下有這個部分其實我們投入相當多的努力\n\n30\n00:11:26,408 --> 00:11:27,088\n最後我特別看到你今年2月7號\n\n31\n00:11:54,124 --> 00:12:18,965\n很疲憊地回到了台中什麼叫腰痠背痛就是說準備回家過年回家過年從台北出發到台中開了整整四個小時因為那時候還不是交通部長然後疲勞之外加上許多的腰痠背痛返鄉過年塞車的洗禮回家真有一種儀式感這個部長這個\n\n32\n00:12:23,493 --> 00:12:38,990\n因為我們這次有談到其實過年我們的連假可能是這個車潮最多的那我們發覺上次中秋假期台鐵也好他發覺奇怪比去年三天的連假完全連在一起的\n\n33\n00:12:39,844 --> 00:13:05,205\n跟今年度有分開一天他的乘坐他們的人潮大概不管是返鄉來來去人潮多了9%所以我今天提出這個題目是說現在因為有些不連了嘛大家不要補休那有一些這個假期是在五六之前像中秋節是在禮拜二那這種這個部分我覺得真的有點不同形態他是兩波回家\n\n34\n00:13:05,985 --> 00:13:24,882\n或者短假期他在區域中間跑你們有沒有做一個分析啊?跟委員報告齁因為前一陣子才有一次的經驗也就是中秋節他中間也是隔一天所以我當時也有交代我們的所屬單位我當時在討論疏運的時候我跟他們說這是一個變形的假期第一我們先把它做成四天連假的規劃\n\n35\n00:13:25,823 --> 00:13:47,614\n那鐵路的部分更特殊他們可能要前面再加一天後面再加一天因為他們速度相對快一點所以可能要延伸到六天那這是第一點第二點是說更重要的是應變因為我們對於民眾到底他有沒有請假這個比例其實不一定抓得準那我們目前有幾個數據我有拜託我們同仁一定要做就是第一我們先看這個訂房率\n\n36\n00:13:48,234 --> 00:13:52,296\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n37\n00:14:13,604 --> 00:14:17,912\n那因為時間的關係今天我們的詢答就到這裡謝謝謝謝委員指教\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2884\t23060\t好 謝謝主席 有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長好 陳部長 你看 這個部長開學了開學第一天 到目前為止心情怎麼樣\n24474\t43713\t雖然今天是委員給我的開學日但其實我來內閣已經從520到現在已經一百多天了所以閒情都一樣就積極努力交通委員會第一次來到這裡被選來是非常正式的那因為我特別看到雖然你過去沒有在交通方面的一個專業\n45034\t60769\t但你也許了三個月嘛其中一個是用心學習啦我想一個用心的學習的學生每一天做夢都在想可不可以明天就開學所以我完成你這個夢立法院趕快開學可是為什麼\n61850\t90467\t為什麼到底發生什麼事啊是你交代了嗎昨天我們行程出來之後我接到市主人嘛要求學校不准今天開學是你有交代公關說一定要把今天的開學日把它滅掉嗎還是我有接到委員的電話說建議今天不適合開學因為黃道吉日不太對最後可怕是外面的專家學的教授也\n91786\t99577\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n107386\t126763\t我有跟委員報告過說如果可以的話跟其他的委員會大概同樣時間會比較好因為昨天發開會通知對我們來講確實不到24個小時決定要開會我相信也很多委員的助理們要準備質詢的內容有點辛苦是委員叫你們的公關來講的\n128357\t155653\t我懂我懂沒有沒有沒有不是我不是這個意思好啦我只是真的說一說啦其實講真的今天溝通一個議程啊都是交通很多領域在休會期間很多民眾關心的議題啦然後第二個呢因為剛剛我也說了那在整個休會的過程中新部長上任只有您一位嘛我們趕快一定要比其他的委員會早點開學了齁沒有問題我昨天也有講說要得勤學獎我們一起得勤學獎對好\n157775\t178035\t我們這一堆人要變你的學伴你要快點學習事實上剛剛第一位發言的也是過去你的這個算是老師我們蔡局長副院長那事實上我感覺你是抱著一個我們要好好用心學習然後我對於已經專業我要尊重專業\n179574\t202714\t我們會認真做你的一個管理可是我們發覺在很多上面你過去真的沒有經驗那在交通部長其實很多民眾的一個期待是希望能夠有一些遠見因為在交通的領域不管從政策、工具很多面向發展太快了太快了那我們覺得要有遠見就是說你已經具備了一些交通領域的一個專業比較\n204776\t226003\t有機會去推演他一些發展這是很多人一個期待當然我們希望你能夠學習快一點在我過去早期就業的時候其實我跟你的心理某個部分也一樣所以每次看到那個要就業的時候都一定講說我要應徵一個新的職務我大學畢業\n227284\t252339\t那你是告訴我你要有三年經驗我就沒有三年經驗你不給我機會我怎麼會有這個經驗可是這僅止於應徵在基層的員工跟基層的幹部像你現在直接應徵進來的是一個部長加大越大所以我真的是希望說你在學習的過程你能夠速度要快一點\n253320\t276242\t你知道台積電是台灣的護國神山嘛對不對事實上也很我是覺得台積電已經不可否認變成我們國力的一部分喔在很多地方都展現了甚至先進的國家大家搶著要台積電我相信啊不光是張忠謀董事長一個人的一個能量他一定要有這樣的一個遠見\n277765\t305064\t你知道嗎我覺得他帶了一些人人對了這個企業的方向大概就成功了八成你覺得對不對我認為是對的對那你知道嗎張忠謀董事長啊他在應徵人他有一個死穴他的死穴是說如果有人跟我說一句話面試直接淘汰啊就是說在這間公司有很多學習的機會\n306425\t326740\t所以這就直接淘汰他邏輯很簡單啦因為現在科技也在打仗嘛大家都需要集戰力我願意把這句話真的送給你啦事實上在交通部他是一個非常明顯有太多重大建設這個的部分在推動的這個部分你大概需要多少的學習時間呢請說\n329820\t355728\t您在交通委員會也相當久的時間您應該也很清楚整個交通部的業務跨得非常的廣光是鐵路有鐵路一般的鐵路高鐵跟捷運光是公路有一般的公路還有道路安全的問題還有高速公路然後我們還有跨到了氣象還有跨到了觀光還有跨到了航空還有跨到了航港就是港那港的部分有硬體建設也有船舶的管理\n356528\t384099\t其實跨的面向相當的大我相信過去到現在為止雖然說我之前有提過一個數據有差不多15位部長不是本科系畢業的那另外一件事是我剛才說過他跨的領域這麼大的狀況底下有任何一個部長不需要學習嗎我相信每一位部長都很努力在學習其實我拜訪過好幾位前部長他們都跟我說他們剛來的時候前三個月每個晚上在上課每個晚上在看資料\n384699\t413516\t每一個部長都要積極努力的學習那這個部分我也會努力但我要跟委員報告您剛剛所說的那三點是我被公布說發布說要來接這個單位的時候我所說的但是我很清楚委員您的交代也很清楚我也知道一上任就要是集戰力所以到現在為止今天的質詢到目前大家委員給我的指教我都吸收以外就是我們能夠做處置的部分如果有哪裡做得不好我也好希望委員給我指教跟指導好\n414657\t436597\t這個部長其實對我們來講這是你剛剛講說你的一個想法那其實對我們的想法我們覺得說真的有幾分無奈了因為新的政府這個上任之後我們一個半月的時間好不容易跟前任部長磨合了把地方要做的事情好不容易講清楚了花了很多的精神我們要重新開始所以我們也要\n437378\t463076\t沒什麼耐心啊所以你要學快一點那很多委員都提到了這個行人死傷也是很多的一個團體在關心的我們法規上路了大家覺得按照道理很多的一個相對的法規上路了而且包括了從總統到行政院到交通部甚至相關的一個單位都在做軟硬挺的一個努力過程中但在112年年底看這個數字還是增加\n463877\t491438\t那最近在東海大學發生這個憾事我想就請教一下我看到部長你有發言我請教一下你對這個案子這個我只想問兩件事這一台公車到底有沒有裝這個ADAS就是先進的駕駛輔助系統他到底這台車有沒有裝其中六個面向盲點偵測他到底有沒有\n492586\t517628\t還是第二個是他有裝再來是正常的嗎還是壞掉了因為駕駛最後的說法是說我不知道是真的還假的天氣太暗當然因為有時候駕駛的路況真的是不一定那我在想這件事情部長有沒有去了解這台車到底有沒有盲點監測系統裝在車上是可用的嗎\n518369\t523688\t報告委員您剛剛所說的這個ADAS的部分我們得到的訊息是有裝的是有裝的\n524718\t528941\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n554918\t583450\t麻煩去了解一下我目前強制的是盲點的這個影像的部分這個確定是有的這個沒有問題確定是有的那當下其實主要是司機他可能沒有去理會或者是沒有去看那個東西那第二他其實該停等的這個動作這是強制的有罰則的停等的這個動作他沒有做不是你那個盲點偵測系統將一般的轎車事實上都會叫的我不知道那是什麼狀況我建議你們要去了解好不好\n584756\t585959\t以死亡人數來做一個分析\n593749\t616763\t那這個部分就像剛剛部長你也有看過這相關的一些資料在警政署各個分局統計啊他到底發生這樣的一個死亡他想辦法去歸類在歸因在駕駛端有29類的原因在行人端有分成7類的原因然後呢在112年8月到113年6月因為我們要資料的時候只有統計11個月\n618944\t634132\t總共343人行人因為交通事故死亡我們看了一下駕駛端242大概佔7成主要是因為駕駛因素第二個行人端30%那我們來看\n636993\t661146\t趙英的排名呢就像你剛剛有說的有說的第一個是主要駕駛端沒有在斑馬線先暫停讓路人先行那第二名呢是行人行人部分他可能不看號誌或者沒有走標線穿越馬路第三個也是駕駛端不管是分心恍神等等的因為我們的交通部\n662667\t685868\t從交通的政策、相關的一些規劃、教育甚至對於駕駛人車輛的一個監管都是你們那在教育的部分你們有沒有嘗試的針對於駕駛端、行人端分別要在哪個地方投入這個教育比較有效麻煩你說一下有這個部分其實我們投入相當多的努力\n686408\t687088\t最後我特別看到你今年2月7號\n714124\t738965\t很疲憊地回到了台中什麼叫腰痠背痛就是說準備回家過年回家過年從台北出發到台中開了整整四個小時因為那時候還不是交通部長然後疲勞之外加上許多的腰痠背痛返鄉過年塞車的洗禮回家真有一種儀式感這個部長這個\n743493\t758990\t因為我們這次有談到其實過年我們的連假可能是這個車潮最多的那我們發覺上次中秋假期台鐵也好他發覺奇怪比去年三天的連假完全連在一起的\n759844\t785205\t跟今年度有分開一天他的乘坐他們的人潮大概不管是返鄉來來去人潮多了9%所以我今天提出這個題目是說現在因為有些不連了嘛大家不要補休那有一些這個假期是在五六之前像中秋節是在禮拜二那這種這個部分我覺得真的有點不同形態他是兩波回家\n785985\t804882\t或者短假期他在區域中間跑你們有沒有做一個分析啊?跟委員報告齁因為前一陣子才有一次的經驗也就是中秋節他中間也是隔一天所以我當時也有交代我們的所屬單位我當時在討論疏運的時候我跟他們說這是一個變形的假期第一我們先把它做成四天連假的規劃\n805823\t827614\t那鐵路的部分更特殊他們可能要前面再加一天後面再加一天因為他們速度相對快一點所以可能要延伸到六天那這是第一點第二點是說更重要的是應變因為我們對於民眾到底他有沒有請假這個比例其實不一定抓得準那我們目前有幾個數據我有拜託我們同仁一定要做就是第一我們先看這個訂房率\n828234\t832296\t二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n853604\t857912\t那因為時間的關係今天我們的詢答就到這裡謝謝謝謝委員指教\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長好 陳部長 你看 這個部長開學了開學第一天 到目前為止心情怎麼樣\n雖然今天是委員給我的開學日但其實我來內閣已經從520到現在已經一百多天了所以閒情都一樣就積極努力交通委員會第一次來到這裡被選來是非常正式的那因為我特別看到雖然你過去沒有在交通方面的一個專業\n但你也許了三個月嘛其中一個是用心學習啦我想一個用心的學習的學生每一天做夢都在想可不可以明天就開學所以我完成你這個夢立法院趕快開學可是為什麼\n為什麼到底發生什麼事啊是你交代了嗎昨天我們行程出來之後我接到市主人嘛要求學校不准今天開學是你有交代公關說一定要把今天的開學日把它滅掉嗎還是我有接到委員的電話說建議今天不適合開學因為黃道吉日不太對最後可怕是外面的專家學的教授也\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n我有跟委員報告過說如果可以的話跟其他的委員會大概同樣時間會比較好因為昨天發開會通知對我們來講確實不到24個小時決定要開會我相信也很多委員的助理們要準備質詢的內容有點辛苦是委員叫你們的公關來講的\n我懂我懂沒有沒有沒有不是我不是這個意思好啦我只是真的說一說啦其實講真的今天溝通一個議程啊都是交通很多領域在休會期間很多民眾關心的議題啦然後第二個呢因為剛剛我也說了那在整個休會的過程中新部長上任只有您一位嘛我們趕快一定要比其他的委員會早點開學了齁沒有問題我昨天也有講說要得勤學獎我們一起得勤學獎對好\n我們這一堆人要變你的學伴你要快點學習事實上剛剛第一位發言的也是過去你的這個算是老師我們蔡局長副院長那事實上我感覺你是抱著一個我們要好好用心學習然後我對於已經專業我要尊重專業\n我們會認真做你的一個管理可是我們發覺在很多上面你過去真的沒有經驗那在交通部長其實很多民眾的一個期待是希望能夠有一些遠見因為在交通的領域不管從政策、工具很多面向發展太快了太快了那我們覺得要有遠見就是說你已經具備了一些交通領域的一個專業比較\n有機會去推演他一些發展這是很多人一個期待當然我們希望你能夠學習快一點在我過去早期就業的時候其實我跟你的心理某個部分也一樣所以每次看到那個要就業的時候都一定講說我要應徵一個新的職務我大學畢業\n那你是告訴我你要有三年經驗我就沒有三年經驗你不給我機會我怎麼會有這個經驗可是這僅止於應徵在基層的員工跟基層的幹部像你現在直接應徵進來的是一個部長加大越大所以我真的是希望說你在學習的過程你能夠速度要快一點\n你知道台積電是台灣的護國神山嘛對不對事實上也很我是覺得台積電已經不可否認變成我們國力的一部分喔在很多地方都展現了甚至先進的國家大家搶著要台積電我相信啊不光是張忠謀董事長一個人的一個能量他一定要有這樣的一個遠見\n你知道嗎我覺得他帶了一些人人對了這個企業的方向大概就成功了八成你覺得對不對我認為是對的對那你知道嗎張忠謀董事長啊他在應徵人他有一個死穴他的死穴是說如果有人跟我說一句話面試直接淘汰啊就是說在這間公司有很多學習的機會\n所以這就直接淘汰他邏輯很簡單啦因為現在科技也在打仗嘛大家都需要集戰力我願意把這句話真的送給你啦事實上在交通部他是一個非常明顯有太多重大建設這個的部分在推動的這個部分你大概需要多少的學習時間呢請說\n您在交通委員會也相當久的時間您應該也很清楚整個交通部的業務跨得非常的廣光是鐵路有鐵路一般的鐵路高鐵跟捷運光是公路有一般的公路還有道路安全的問題還有高速公路然後我們還有跨到了氣象還有跨到了觀光還有跨到了航空還有跨到了航港就是港那港的部分有硬體建設也有船舶的管理\n其實跨的面向相當的大我相信過去到現在為止雖然說我之前有提過一個數據有差不多15位部長不是本科系畢業的那另外一件事是我剛才說過他跨的領域這麼大的狀況底下有任何一個部長不需要學習嗎我相信每一位部長都很努力在學習其實我拜訪過好幾位前部長他們都跟我說他們剛來的時候前三個月每個晚上在上課每個晚上在看資料\n每一個部長都要積極努力的學習那這個部分我也會努力但我要跟委員報告您剛剛所說的那三點是我被公布說發布說要來接這個單位的時候我所說的但是我很清楚委員您的交代也很清楚我也知道一上任就要是集戰力所以到現在為止今天的質詢到目前大家委員給我的指教我都吸收以外就是我們能夠做處置的部分如果有哪裡做得不好我也好希望委員給我指教跟指導好\n這個部長其實對我們來講這是你剛剛講說你的一個想法那其實對我們的想法我們覺得說真的有幾分無奈了因為新的政府這個上任之後我們一個半月的時間好不容易跟前任部長磨合了把地方要做的事情好不容易講清楚了花了很多的精神我們要重新開始所以我們也要\n沒什麼耐心啊所以你要學快一點那很多委員都提到了這個行人死傷也是很多的一個團體在關心的我們法規上路了大家覺得按照道理很多的一個相對的法規上路了而且包括了從總統到行政院到交通部甚至相關的一個單位都在做軟硬挺的一個努力過程中但在112年年底看這個數字還是增加\n那最近在東海大學發生這個憾事我想就請教一下我看到部長你有發言我請教一下你對這個案子這個我只想問兩件事這一台公車到底有沒有裝這個ADAS就是先進的駕駛輔助系統他到底這台車有沒有裝其中六個面向盲點偵測他到底有沒有\n還是第二個是他有裝再來是正常的嗎還是壞掉了因為駕駛最後的說法是說我不知道是真的還假的天氣太暗當然因為有時候駕駛的路況真的是不一定那我在想這件事情部長有沒有去了解這台車到底有沒有盲點監測系統裝在車上是可用的嗎\n報告委員您剛剛所說的這個ADAS的部分我們得到的訊息是有裝的是有裝的\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n麻煩去了解一下我目前強制的是盲點的這個影像的部分這個確定是有的這個沒有問題確定是有的那當下其實主要是司機他可能沒有去理會或者是沒有去看那個東西那第二他其實該停等的這個動作這是強制的有罰則的停等的這個動作他沒有做不是你那個盲點偵測系統將一般的轎車事實上都會叫的我不知道那是什麼狀況我建議你們要去了解好不好\n以死亡人數來做一個分析\n那這個部分就像剛剛部長你也有看過這相關的一些資料在警政署各個分局統計啊他到底發生這樣的一個死亡他想辦法去歸類在歸因在駕駛端有29類的原因在行人端有分成7類的原因然後呢在112年8月到113年6月因為我們要資料的時候只有統計11個月\n總共343人行人因為交通事故死亡我們看了一下駕駛端242大概佔7成主要是因為駕駛因素第二個行人端30%那我們來看\n趙英的排名呢就像你剛剛有說的有說的第一個是主要駕駛端沒有在斑馬線先暫停讓路人先行那第二名呢是行人行人部分他可能不看號誌或者沒有走標線穿越馬路第三個也是駕駛端不管是分心恍神等等的因為我們的交通部\n從交通的政策、相關的一些規劃、教育甚至對於駕駛人車輛的一個監管都是你們那在教育的部分你們有沒有嘗試的針對於駕駛端、行人端分別要在哪個地方投入這個教育比較有效麻煩你說一下有這個部分其實我們投入相當多的努力\n最後我特別看到你今年2月7號\n很疲憊地回到了台中什麼叫腰痠背痛就是說準備回家過年回家過年從台北出發到台中開了整整四個小時因為那時候還不是交通部長然後疲勞之外加上許多的腰痠背痛返鄉過年塞車的洗禮回家真有一種儀式感這個部長這個\n因為我們這次有談到其實過年我們的連假可能是這個車潮最多的那我們發覺上次中秋假期台鐵也好他發覺奇怪比去年三天的連假完全連在一起的\n跟今年度有分開一天他的乘坐他們的人潮大概不管是返鄉來來去人潮多了9%所以我今天提出這個題目是說現在因為有些不連了嘛大家不要補休那有一些這個假期是在五六之前像中秋節是在禮拜二那這種這個部分我覺得真的有點不同形態他是兩波回家\n或者短假期他在區域中間跑你們有沒有做一個分析啊?跟委員報告齁因為前一陣子才有一次的經驗也就是中秋節他中間也是隔一天所以我當時也有交代我們的所屬單位我當時在討論疏運的時候我跟他們說這是一個變形的假期第一我們先把它做成四天連假的規劃\n那鐵路的部分更特殊他們可能要前面再加一天後面再加一天因為他們速度相對快一點所以可能要延伸到六天那這是第一點第二點是說更重要的是應變因為我們對於民眾到底他有沒有請假這個比例其實不一定抓得準那我們目前有幾個數據我有拜託我們同仁一定要做就是第一我們先看這個訂房率\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n那因為時間的關係今天我們的詢答就到這裡謝謝謝謝委員指教\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.884 --> 00:23.060\n好謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長好陳部長你看這個部長開學了開學第一天到目前為止心情怎麼樣\n\n00:24.474 --> 00:43.713\n雖然今天是委員給我的開學日但其實我來內閣已經從520到現在已經一百多天了所以閒情都一樣就積極努力交通委員會第一次來到這裡被選來是非常正式的那因為我特別看到雖然你過去沒有在交通方面的一個專業\n\n00:45.034 --> 01:00.769\n但你也許了三個月嘛其中一個是用心學習啦我想一個用心的學習的學生每一天做夢都在想可不可以明天就開學所以我完成你這個夢立法院趕快開學可是為什麼\n\n01:01.850 --> 01:30.467\n為什麼到底發生什麼事啊是你交代了嗎昨天我們行程出來之後我接到市主人嘛要求學校不准今天開學是你有交代公關說一定要把今天的開學日把它滅掉嗎還是我有接到委員的電話說建議今天不適合開學因為黃道吉日不太對最後可怕是外面的專家學的教授也\n\n01:31.786 --> 01:39.577\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n01:47.386 --> 02:06.763\n我有跟委員報告過說如果可以的話跟其他的委員會大概同樣時間會比較好因為昨天發開會通知對我們來講確實不到24個小時決定要開會我相信也很多委員的助理們要準備質詢的內容有點辛苦是委員叫你們的公關來講的\n\n02:08.357 --> 02:35.653\n我懂我懂沒有沒有沒有不是我不是這個意思好啦我只是真的說一說啦其實講真的今天溝通一個議程啊都是交通很多領域在休會期間很多民眾關心的議題啦然後第二個呢因為剛剛我也說了那在整個休會的過程中新部長上任只有您一位嘛我們趕快一定要比其他的委員會早點開學了齁沒有問題我昨天也有講說要得勤學獎我們一起得勤學獎對好\n\n02:37.775 --> 02:58.035\n我們這一堆人要變你的學伴你要快點學習事實上剛剛第一位發言的也是過去你的這個算是老師我們蔡局長副院長那事實上我感覺你是抱著一個我們要好好用心學習然後我對於已經專業我要尊重專業\n\n02:59.574 --> 03:22.714\n我們會認真做你的一個管理可是我們發覺在很多上面你過去真的沒有經驗那在交通部長其實很多民眾的一個期待是希望能夠有一些遠見因為在交通的領域不管從政策、工具很多面向發展太快了太快了那我們覺得要有遠見就是說你已經具備了一些交通領域的一個專業比較\n\n03:24.776 --> 03:46.003\n有機會去推演他一些發展這是很多人一個期待當然我們希望你能夠學習快一點在我過去早期就業的時候其實我跟你的心理某個部分也一樣所以每次看到那個要就業的時候都一定講說我要應徵一個新的職務我大學畢業\n\n03:47.284 --> 04:12.339\n那你是告訴我你要有三年經驗我就沒有三年經驗你不給我機會我怎麼會有這個經驗可是這僅止於應徵在基層的員工跟基層的幹部像你現在直接應徵進來的是一個部長加大越大所以我真的是希望說你在學習的過程你能夠速度要快一點\n\n04:13.320 --> 04:36.242\n你知道台積電是台灣的護國神山嘛對不對事實上也很我是覺得台積電已經不可否認變成我們國力的一部分喔在很多地方都展現了甚至先進的國家大家搶著要台積電我相信啊不光是張忠謀董事長一個人的一個能量他一定要有這樣的一個遠見\n\n04:37.765 --> 05:05.064\n你知道嗎我覺得他帶了一些人人對了這個企業的方向大概就成功了八成你覺得對不對我認為是對的對那你知道嗎張忠謀董事長啊他在應徵人他有一個死穴他的死穴是說如果有人跟我說一句話面試直接淘汰啊就是說在這間公司有很多學習的機會\n\n05:06.425 --> 05:26.740\n所以這就直接淘汰他邏輯很簡單啦因為現在科技也在打仗嘛大家都需要集戰力我願意把這句話真的送給你啦事實上在交通部他是一個非常明顯有太多重大建設這個的部分在推動的這個部分你大概需要多少的學習時間呢請說\n\n05:29.820 --> 05:55.728\n您在交通委員會也相當久的時間您應該也很清楚整個交通部的業務跨得非常的廣光是鐵路有鐵路一般的鐵路高鐵跟捷運光是公路有一般的公路還有道路安全的問題還有高速公路然後我們還有跨到了氣象還有跨到了觀光還有跨到了航空還有跨到了航港就是港那港的部分有硬體建設也有船舶的管理\n\n05:56.528 --> 06:24.099\n其實跨的面向相當的大我相信過去到現在為止雖然說我之前有提過一個數據有差不多15位部長不是本科系畢業的那另外一件事是我剛才說過他跨的領域這麼大的狀況底下有任何一個部長不需要學習嗎我相信每一位部長都很努力在學習其實我拜訪過好幾位前部長他們都跟我說他們剛來的時候前三個月每個晚上在上課每個晚上在看資料\n\n06:24.699 --> 06:53.516\n每一個部長都要積極努力的學習那這個部分我也會努力但我要跟委員報告您剛剛所說的那三點是我被公布說發布說要來接這個單位的時候我所說的但是我很清楚委員您的交代也很清楚我也知道一上任就要是集戰力所以到現在為止今天的質詢到目前大家委員給我的指教我都吸收以外就是我們能夠做處置的部分如果有哪裡做得不好我也好希望委員給我指教跟指導好\n\n06:54.657 --> 07:16.597\n這個部長其實對我們來講這是你剛剛講說你的一個想法那其實對我們的想法我們覺得說真的有幾分無奈了因為新的政府這個上任之後我們一個半月的時間好不容易跟前任部長磨合了把地方要做的事情好不容易講清楚了花了很多的精神我們要重新開始所以我們也要\n\n07:17.378 --> 07:43.076\n沒什麼耐心啊所以你要學快一點那很多委員都提到了這個行人死傷也是很多的一個團體在關心的我們法規上路了大家覺得按照道理很多的一個相對的法規上路了而且包括了從總統到行政院到交通部甚至相關的一個單位都在做軟硬挺的一個努力過程中但在112年年底看這個數字還是增加\n\n07:43.877 --> 08:11.438\n那最近在東海大學發生這個憾事我想就請教一下我看到部長你有發言我請教一下你對這個案子這個我只想問兩件事這一台公車到底有沒有裝這個ADAS就是先進的駕駛輔助系統他到底這台車有沒有裝其中六個面向盲點偵測他到底有沒有\n\n08:12.586 --> 08:37.628\n還是第二個是他有裝再來是正常的嗎還是壞掉了因為駕駛最後的說法是說我不知道是真的還假的天氣太暗當然因為有時候駕駛的路況真的是不一定那我在想這件事情部長有沒有去了解這台車到底有沒有盲點監測系統裝在車上是可用的嗎\n\n08:38.369 --> 08:43.688\n報告委員您剛剛所說的這個ADAS的部分我們得到的訊息是有裝的是有裝的\n\n08:44.718 --> 08:48.941\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n\n09:14.918 --> 09:43.450\n麻煩去了解一下我目前強制的是盲點的這個影像的部分這個確定是有的這個沒有問題確定是有的那當下其實主要是司機他可能沒有去理會或者是沒有去看那個東西那第二他其實該停等的這個動作這是強制的有罰則的停等的這個動作他沒有做不是你那個盲點偵測系統將一般的轎車事實上都會叫的我不知道那是什麼狀況我建議你們要去了解好不好\n\n09:44.756 --> 09:45.959\n以死亡人數來做一個分析\n\n09:53.749 --> 10:16.763\n那這個部分就像剛剛部長你也有看過這相關的一些資料在警政署各個分局統計啊他到底發生這樣的一個死亡他想辦法去歸類在歸因在駕駛端有29類的原因在行人端有分成7類的原因然後呢在112年8月到113年6月因為我們要資料的時候只有統計11個月\n\n10:18.944 --> 10:34.132\n總共343人行人因為交通事故死亡我們看了一下駕駛端242大概佔7成主要是因為駕駛因素第二個行人端30%那我們來看\n\n10:36.993 --> 11:01.146\n趙英的排名呢就像你剛剛有說的有說的第一個是主要駕駛端沒有在斑馬線先暫停讓路人先行那第二名呢是行人行人部分他可能不看號誌或者沒有走標線穿越馬路第三個也是駕駛端不管是分心恍神等等的因為我們的交通部\n\n11:02.667 --> 11:25.868\n從交通的政策、相關的一些規劃、教育甚至對於駕駛人車輛的一個監管都是你們那在教育的部分你們有沒有嘗試的針對於駕駛端、行人端分別要在哪個地方投入這個教育比較有效麻煩你說一下有這個部分其實我們投入相當多的努力\n\n11:26.408 --> 11:27.088\n最後我特別看到你今年2月7號\n\n11:54.124 --> 12:18.965\n很疲憊地回到了台中什麼叫腰痠背痛就是說準備回家過年回家過年從台北出發到台中開了整整四個小時因為那時候還不是交通部長然後疲勞之外加上許多的腰痠背痛返鄉過年塞車的洗禮回家真有一種儀式感這個部長這個\n\n12:23.493 --> 12:38.990\n因為我們這次有談到其實過年我們的連假可能是這個車潮最多的那我們發覺上次中秋假期台鐵也好他發覺奇怪比去年三天的連假完全連在一起的\n\n12:39.844 --> 13:05.205\n跟今年度有分開一天他的乘坐他們的人潮大概不管是返鄉來來去人潮多了9%所以我今天提出這個題目是說現在因為有些不連了嘛大家不要補休那有一些這個假期是在五六之前像中秋節是在禮拜二那這種這個部分我覺得真的有點不同形態他是兩波回家\n\n13:05.985 --> 13:24.882\n或者短假期他在區域中間跑你們有沒有做一個分析啊?跟委員報告齁因為前一陣子才有一次的經驗也就是中秋節他中間也是隔一天所以我當時也有交代我們的所屬單位我當時在討論疏運的時候我跟他們說這是一個變形的假期第一我們先把它做成四天連假的規劃\n\n13:25.823 --> 13:47.614\n那鐵路的部分更特殊他們可能要前面再加一天後面再加一天因為他們速度相對快一點所以可能要延伸到六天那這是第一點第二點是說更重要的是應變因為我們對於民眾到底他有沒有請假這個比例其實不一定抓得準那我們目前有幾個數據我有拜託我們同仁一定要做就是第一我們先看這個訂房率\n\n13:48.234 --> 13:52.296\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n14:13.604 --> 14:17.912\n那因為時間的關係今天我們的詢答就到這裡謝謝謝謝委員指教\n\n","segments":[{"start":2.884,"end":23.06,"text":"好 謝謝主席 有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長好 陳部長 你看 這個部長開學了開學第一天 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