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00:00:55,701\n公路局、鐵道局、觀光署、氣象署、高工局還有嗎?港務以及民航港、港局、民航局,對不對?我這是放水題,因為他們都坐在下面。好,再來,請問一下交通部所屬的公司組織有哪些?\n\n3\n00:00:58,294 --> 00:01:20,272\n其實非常多欸講啊台鐵、中華郵政也都是屬於我們這邊的啦然後港務公司、淘機公司也都是我們這邊的對,很多,還有嗎?有沒有漏掉?很多的子公司,然後港務下面我們還有一些分公司對,他們還有轉投資公司對,非常多不要緊張,慢慢想想謝謝委員\n\n4\n00:01:24,571 --> 00:01:51,189\n交通部除了自己所屬的直接百分之百持股的公司還有很多轉投資公司這也都是交通部的投資有哪些中華電線是我們的所屬轉投資然後這個高鐵公司也應該屬於我們的轉投資的部分還有嗎世西工程嗎世西應該也是我們轉投資的還有嗎\n\n5\n00:01:54,505 --> 00:02:07,938\n因為這些單位他們比較沒有來其實我們非常非常多法人也非常多就公司啊公司組織啊公司也非常多法人也非常多非常多我回答非常多來\n\n6\n00:02:10,407 --> 00:02:24,247\n告訴你一下這個過去都有報告啦陽明海運、臺灣行業、淘晴包含臺北的那個捷運公司中華電信、臺灣高鐵剛才有六個裡面答對兩題\n\n7\n00:02:25,929 --> 00:02:51,257\n所以其實交通部所屬的單位非常非常多我剛剛前面兩個題我根本放水提因為他們都在下面大家應該微笑你們也在幫部長緊張對不對我為什麼要提這個事情就是交通部的所屬業務非常重要而且是民生我想今天很多人關心有關於行人交通安全的部分那我更關心我們在交通部不管所屬\n\n8\n00:02:52,617 --> 00:03:05,566\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。四、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n9\n00:03:13,208 --> 00:03:35,456\n怎麼樣由轉輝為營這個是交通部跟台鐵的一個非常重大的課題可是啊在這過程裡面在工會質疑我們台鐵懂做自肥也就是因為加薪然後幫自己有那個記大功這件事情請問\n\n10\n00:03:37,486 --> 00:04:01,272\n部長上任之後有沒有瞭解這件事情到底怎麼回事?是,報告委員加薪的部分是這個樣子因為他113年的1月1號他公司化了那公司化之後他的給薪方式跟過去的台鐵局當然是不一樣所以他要比照國營事業嗎?他那個水準是對對對就是比照國營事業的組織的新級這就是董事長說我不是啊我是因為你要比照國營事業\n\n11\n00:04:03,018 --> 00:04:30,478\n因為他現在真的是公司化了那我現在呢我就必須幫台鐵的員工來講話如果台鐵公司的董事長應該比照國營事業但是這個我都已經直接給你看了部長你知道嗎我們台鐵他轉換為國營事業之後他的薪資員工薪資是所有國營事業最低的\n\n12\n00:04:31,816 --> 00:04:53,469\n所以董事長要比照,部長請問一下,那麼台鐵的基層員工該不該比照呢?我認為應該要比照,應該要比照,也要上拉,這是必然要做的沒有錯,我們在之前有幾位委員都談到,就是現在台鐵有缺工的問題事實上在之前傳出缺2000人,那剛剛講說沒有缺那麼多人,缺100人\n\n13\n00:04:57,131 --> 00:05:21,976\n因為我們有招考但是你知道台鐵的問題是招考了之後很多人不來報到因為他可能有更好的工作或者他來報到之後當他又報考到其他的一些國營事業他第一個選擇誰他立刻跑掉所以他就一直處於缺工的狀態所以部長在這邊可以承諾台鐵的基層員工可以比照董事長\n\n14\n00:05:22,856 --> 00:05:46,694\n一樣的要比照其他的國營事業至少比照你交通部的其他國營事業要全體一致來加薪可不可以報告委員我認為台鐵的員工的薪資確實要加高一些那包含從業人員我覺得這個是要首先要處理的因為目前為止看起來從業人員的薪資是相對是低一些偏低\n\n15\n00:05:47,034 --> 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