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00:00:48,048\n部長好委員好今天是我第一次質詢部長剛上任那部長我其實時間沒有很多我直接想跟你詢問我想請問部長部長你知道我們現在搭高鐵它其實這個700T那一列車其實有989個位置你知道有幾個電動輪椅\n\n3\n00:00:50,835 --> 00:01:05,903\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。四、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n4\n00:01:15,868 --> 00:01:42,986\n不曉你知道我們其實現在在臺灣的障礙者目前其實已經超過120萬人那如果以我們現在高齡化的狀況看起來這個數字的比率只會越來越高所以不曉我想跟你分享我們其實現在這個臺灣我們120萬人如果來算的話當然我不是說120萬全部都是需要輪椅可是看起來這個比率是遠遠高過於剛才說0.2%的這個數字\n\n5\n00:01:46,128 --> 00:02:11,884\n我想分享現在其實科技越來越發達那障礙者其實使用的輔具那他們為了要來增加他們這個自立生活或包括自我行動的能力其實很多的障礙者其實他們目前都會選擇電動輪椅那也包括其實很多障礙者他們可能也會有這個團體旅遊的需求包括出差的需求所以你可以想像當今天有一群障礙者的團體他們要團體旅遊的時候\n\n6\n00:02:14,045 --> 00:02:19,910\n好,我們一起做高鐵結果高鐵,對不起只有兩個論議席所以他可能這個團體裡面假如有10個、15個\n\n7\n00:02:23,097 --> 00:02:34,141\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n8\n00:02:47,756 --> 00:02:53,323\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n\n9\n00:03:07,883 --> 00:03:26,094\n這個障礙者他的需求當然當時一直是對這樣回應那我們現在要買新車了嘛是沒錯我們現在要買新車了嘛所以部長你知不知道其實這個我們其實現在高鐵其實也發了新聞稿說我們接下來很可能會跟日本東京簽約這個採購的金額高達1200億日幣那每個編組目前大概是23.4億台幣那這個新車呢會以這個\n\n10\n00:03:35,279 --> 00:03:59,102\n日本的東海道新幹線N700S為參考的系統2026年交車2027年希望可以投入營運所以部長你知不知道N700S日本的N700S裡面有多少個輪椅型這個我不曉得但是應該要比現在要更多才對他們有6個輪椅型有6個輪椅型所以我們辦公室之前其實就一直在跟高鐵討論\n\n11\n00:04:01,195 --> 00:04:28,530\n如果我們既然都要買這個日本的N700S那我們為什麼不能比照N700S目前在日本運行的它有6個輪椅系我們是不是就我也不要求多我們並沒有要求超過這個數字就至少就比照現在日本的這個東海道新幹線的這個同樣的車型就這麼多的就好可是說實話我一直得不到高鐵一個明確的回覆\n\n12\n00:04:29,731 --> 00:04:41,639\n我們辦公室跟高鐵討論好幾次但一直得不到回覆所以今天我也想趁著今天當然是第一次陳部長到委員會應該是因為您的關心現在新的車廂是用6個輪椅系\n\n13\n00:04:44,295 --> 00:05:03,649\n這是新的訊息喔因為之前我們跟高鐵公司詢問的時候一直沒有給我們一直沒有給我們正式的回覆所以我們其實要的很簡單是希望能夠比照這六個輪椅席完全比照因為我們就是要買這個型號嘛所以如果今天部長願意在這邊承諾的話回來不要再改了啦你不改就是六個嘛\n\n14\n00:05:03,729 --> 00:05:27,497\n沒有這個事情是我們要要求日本的廠商要按照這個要求的標準做六個輪椅席那之前我們希望高鐵這樣做可是我們沒有得到正面的回應因為您的關心所以高鐵現在也對日本的原廠有這樣子的要求那如果今天陳部長在這邊也做了這個承諾我覺得這是最好我覺得這也是對我們很多障礙者來說是一個很大的福因為這是他們從2018到現在的訴求\n\n15\n00:05:29,798 --> 00:05:44,861\n好不容易等到現在要買新車了那當然有機會來實現他們這個願望坦白說六個我自己覺得也沒有到很多啦但至少大家是一個很基本的要求希望能夠順應這個要求所以我自己是希望說如果今天部長跟總經理都在這個地方的話\n\n16\n00:05:45,402 --> 00:05:59,757\n那當然有這個承諾那是不是也可以讓我們有一個接下來我們可能這相關的採購要求日本的廠商相關的規劃的報告可能在一個月內如果現在已經開始規劃了一個月內可以提給我們你們現在高鐵在做這個採購的規劃的報告應該沒有問題吧這個部分\n\n17\n00:06:03,547 --> 00:06:23,081\n因為根本報告現在因為都在這個細部設計的過程之中我們已經把這個要求跟對方要求了但是對於這外面我們現在都還不太方便去announce我們整個規格包括我們的輪椅這邊有多少這個有多少個量這個請這個委員瞭解\n\n18\n00:06:23,661 --> 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這個事情是我們要要求日本的廠商要按照這個要求的標準做六個輪椅席那之前我們希望高鐵這樣做可是我們沒有得到正面的回應因為您的關心所以高鐵現在也對日本的原廠有這樣子的要求那如果今天陳部長在這邊也做了這個承諾我覺得這是最好我覺得這也是對我們很多障礙者來說是一個很大的福因為這是他們從2018到現在的訴求\n329798\t344861\t好不容易等到現在要買新車了那當然有機會來實現他們這個願望坦白說六個我自己覺得也沒有到很多啦但至少大家是一個很基本的要求希望能夠順應這個要求所以我自己是希望說如果今天部長跟總經理都在這個地方的話\n345402\t359757\t那當然有這個承諾那是不是也可以讓我們有一個接下來我們可能這相關的採購要求日本的廠商相關的規劃的報告可能在一個月內如果現在已經開始規劃了一個月內可以提給我們你們現在高鐵在做這個採購的規劃的報告應該沒有問題吧這個部分\n363547\t383081\t因為根本報告現在因為都在這個細部設計的過程之中我們已經把這個要求跟對方要求了但是對於這外面我們現在都還不太方便去announce我們整個規格包括我們的輪椅這邊有多少這個有多少個量這個請這個委員瞭解\n383661\t402131\t但是就總經理跟部長都很清楚反正我們現在就一定會有六個這是我們已經明確提出要求了嘛對不對好在這邊先謝謝部長我覺得這是我們今天先聽到一個對於我們交通部對於障礙者朋友一個很大的福音也是讓大家長久以來的願望至少能夠得以實現我們希望這個新車能夠越快上路越好謝謝部長謝謝\n","txt":"二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部部長陳世凱、內政部部長陳世凱、內政部部長\n部長好 委員好今天是我第一次質詢部長剛上任那部長我其實時間沒有很多我直接想跟你詢問我想請問部長部長你知道我們現在搭高鐵它其實這個700T那一列車其實有989個位置你知道有幾個電動輪椅\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。四、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n不曉你知道我們其實現在在臺灣的障礙者目前其實已經超過120萬人那如果以我們現在高齡化的狀況看起來這個數字的比率只會越來越高所以不曉我想跟你分享我們其實現在這個臺灣我們120萬人如果來算的話當然我不是說120萬全部都是需要輪椅可是看起來這個比率是遠遠高過於剛才說0.2%的這個數字\n我想分享現在其實科技越來越發達那障礙者其實使用的輔具那他們為了要來增加他們這個自立生活或包括自我行動的能力其實很多的障礙者其實他們目前都會選擇電動輪椅那也包括其實很多障礙者他們可能也會有這個團體旅遊的需求包括出差的需求所以你可以想像當今天有一群障礙者的團體他們要團體旅遊的時候\n好,我們一起做高鐵結果高鐵,對不起只有兩個論議席所以他可能這個團體裡面假如有10個、15個\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就 «雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n這個障礙者他的需求當然當時一直是對這樣回應那我們現在要買新車了嘛是沒錯我們現在要買新車了嘛所以部長你知不知道其實這個我們其實現在高鐵其實也發了新聞稿說我們接下來很可能會跟日本東京簽約這個採購的金額高達1200億日幣那每個編組目前大概是23.4億台幣那這個新車呢會以這個\n日本的東海道新幹線N700S為參考的系統2026年交車2027年希望可以投入營運所以部長你知不知道N700S日本的N700S裡面有多少個輪椅型這個我不曉得但是應該要比現在要更多才對他們有6個輪椅型有6個輪椅型所以我們辦公室之前其實就一直在跟高鐵討論\n如果我們既然都要買這個日本的N700S那我們為什麼不能比照N700S目前在日本運行的它有6個輪椅系我們是不是就我也不要求多我們並沒有要求超過這個數字就至少就比照現在日本的這個東海道新幹線的這個同樣的車型就這麼多的就好可是說實話我一直得不到高鐵一個明確的回覆\n我們辦公室跟高鐵討論好幾次但一直得不到回覆所以今天我也想趁著今天當然是第一次陳部長到委員會應該是因為您的關心現在新的車廂是用6個輪椅系\n這是新的訊息喔因為之前我們跟高鐵公司詢問的時候一直沒有給我們一直沒有給我們正式的回覆所以我們其實要的很簡單是希望能夠比照這六個輪椅席完全比照因為我們就是要買這個型號嘛所以如果今天部長願意在這邊承諾的話回來不要再改了啦你不改就是六個嘛\n沒有 這個事情是我們要要求日本的廠商要按照這個要求的標準做六個輪椅席那之前我們希望高鐵這樣做可是我們沒有得到正面的回應因為您的關心所以高鐵現在也對日本的原廠有這樣子的要求那如果今天陳部長在這邊也做了這個承諾我覺得這是最好我覺得這也是對我們很多障礙者來說是一個很大的福因為這是他們從2018到現在的訴求\n好不容易等到現在要買新車了那當然有機會來實現他們這個願望坦白說六個我自己覺得也沒有到很多啦但至少大家是一個很基本的要求希望能夠順應這個要求所以我自己是希望說如果今天部長跟總經理都在這個地方的話\n那當然有這個承諾那是不是也可以讓我們有一個接下來我們可能這相關的採購要求日本的廠商相關的規劃的報告可能在一個月內如果現在已經開始規劃了一個月內可以提給我們你們現在高鐵在做這個採購的規劃的報告應該沒有問題吧這個部分\n因為根本報告現在因為都在這個細部設計的過程之中我們已經把這個要求跟對方要求了但是對於這外面我們現在都還不太方便去announce我們整個規格包括我們的輪椅這邊有多少這個有多少個量這個請這個委員瞭解\n但是就總經理跟部長都很清楚反正我們現在就一定會有六個這是我們已經明確提出要求了嘛對不對好在這邊先謝謝部長我覺得這是我們今天先聽到一個對於我們交通部對於障礙者朋友一個很大的福音也是讓大家長久以來的願望至少能夠得以實現我們希望這個新車能夠越快上路越好謝謝部長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.537 --> 00:07.400\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部部長陳世凱、內政部部長陳世凱、內政部部長\n\n00:25.876 --> 00:48.048\n部長好委員好今天是我第一次質詢部長剛上任那部長我其實時間沒有很多我直接想跟你詢問我想請問部長部長你知道我們現在搭高鐵它其實這個700T那一列車其實有989個位置你知道有幾個電動輪椅\n\n00:50.835 --> 01:05.903\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。四、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n01:15.868 --> 01:42.986\n不曉你知道我們其實現在在臺灣的障礙者目前其實已經超過120萬人那如果以我們現在高齡化的狀況看起來這個數字的比率只會越來越高所以不曉我想跟你分享我們其實現在這個臺灣我們120萬人如果來算的話當然我不是說120萬全部都是需要輪椅可是看起來這個比率是遠遠高過於剛才說0.2%的這個數字\n\n01:46.128 --> 02:11.884\n我想分享現在其實科技越來越發達那障礙者其實使用的輔具那他們為了要來增加他們這個自立生活或包括自我行動的能力其實很多的障礙者其實他們目前都會選擇電動輪椅那也包括其實很多障礙者他們可能也會有這個團體旅遊的需求包括出差的需求所以你可以想像當今天有一群障礙者的團體他們要團體旅遊的時候\n\n02:14.045 --> 02:19.910\n好,我們一起做高鐵結果高鐵,對不起只有兩個論議席所以他可能這個團體裡面假如有10個、15個\n\n02:23.097 --> 02:34.141\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備�\n\n02:47.756 --> 02:53.323\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》\n\n03:07.883 --> 03:26.094\n這個障礙者他的需求當然當時一直是對這樣回應那我們現在要買新車了嘛是沒錯我們現在要買新車了嘛所以部長你知不知道其實這個我們其實現在高鐵其實也發了新聞稿說我們接下來很可能會跟日本東京簽約這個採購的金額高達1200億日幣那每個編組目前大概是23.4億台幣那這個新車呢會以這個\n\n03:35.279 --> 03:59.102\n日本的東海道新幹線N700S為參考的系統2026年交車2027年希望可以投入營運所以部長你知不知道N700S日本的N700S裡面有多少個輪椅型這個我不曉得但是應該要比現在要更多才對他們有6個輪椅型有6個輪椅型所以我們辦公室之前其實就一直在跟高鐵討論\n\n04:01.195 --> 04:28.530\n如果我們既然都要買這個日本的N700S那我們為什麼不能比照N700S目前在日本運行的它有6個輪椅系我們是不是就我也不要求多我們並沒有要求超過這個數字就至少就比照現在日本的這個東海道新幹線的這個同樣的車型就這麼多的就好可是說實話我一直得不到高鐵一個明確的回覆\n\n04:29.731 --> 04:41.639\n我們辦公室跟高鐵討論好幾次但一直得不到回覆所以今天我也想趁著今天當然是第一次陳部長到委員會應該是因為您的關心現在新的車廂是用6個輪椅系\n\n04:44.295 --> 05:03.649\n這是新的訊息喔因為之前我們跟高鐵公司詢問的時候一直沒有給我們一直沒有給我們正式的回覆所以我們其實要的很簡單是希望能夠比照這六個輪椅席完全比照因為我們就是要買這個型號嘛所以如果今天部長願意在這邊承諾的話回來不要再改了啦你不改就是六個嘛\n\n05:03.729 --> 05:27.497\n沒有這個事情是我們要要求日本的廠商要按照這個要求的標準做六個輪椅席那之前我們希望高鐵這樣做可是我們沒有得到正面的回應因為您的關心所以高鐵現在也對日本的原廠有這樣子的要求那如果今天陳部長在這邊也做了這個承諾我覺得這是最好我覺得這也是對我們很多障礙者來說是一個很大的福因為這是他們從2018到現在的訴求\n\n05:29.798 --> 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