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00:02:36,696\n所以那個地方又做大平台也有他在設計路段的一個障礙使得他的大平台的形狀沒有辦法那麼的那麼的完美可以說有關缺陷存在所以大家還是想說阿不然我就要回到這裡了\n\n8\n00:02:38,177 --> 00:02:41,098\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就«雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫》三、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就\n\n9\n00:02:55,244 --> 00:03:10,946\n剛剛講的車輛的一個調度基地在水上使得他的車輛不管是有沒有高架化車輛勢必要要塞要要行駛下來平面然後讓火車在平面有一個可以停車或者是\n\n10\n00:03:11,386 --> 00:03:15,248\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n11\n00:03:32,356 --> 00:03:54,657\n那我們在部長你就任前的前部長這個李部長我有來邀請他包括說在於這個楷米颱風後他有來一次然後後來又有一次我們再請他以及我們鐵道局台鐵公司一次來來我們嘉義縣政府那也是討論了這個水上的鐵路高架化\n\n12\n00:03:55,197 --> 00:04:10,229\n那當時李孟彥前部長他有承諾說好他可以重新來評估水上的鐵路高架化那我們現在要請教部長的是說那這個李前部長的他這個承諾對你來說依然有效嗎\n\n13\n00:04:11,338 --> 00:04:38,104\n報告委員當然有效政府是延續的所以之前部長答應的部分那就是交通部的一個政策那交通部的政策會延續來做這個沒有問題那因為現在我覺得嘉義在這幾年的這個發展的速度其實相當的快雖然之前的可行性評估可言的部分沒有順利來通過但是現在嘉義的發展跟過去不一樣或許我們可以一起來討論說可言的一些內容看要怎麼樣讓它比較符合實際的需求好\n\n14\n00:04:38,744 --> 00:04:39,965\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n15\n00:05:08,604 --> 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