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00:01:20,874\n二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就、「雙十假期數波返鄉車潮之交通整備暨海陸空疏運計畫。\n\n5\n00:01:29,065 --> 00:01:44,478\n那所以如果說按照部長所說的要達到您增加見警率的目標效益您看要多少警力?有沒有估算過?我之前其實對於行人道安的部分我剛剛早上也都有說明過我其實講的方法是很完整啦齁\n\n6\n00:01:45,078 --> 00:02:14,335\n這個只是其中一環我說在工程面要窮盡一切的可能性去改善工程面的部分在道路上面改善第二、針對交通安全的觀念的教育跟宣導我們必須要落實我是針對見警率對沒有錯那第三我才是要說執法的部分執法有科技執法當然也有見警率的部分而見警率的部分當時交通部的幕僚們給我的建議是這個樣子他們給的建議是說在高度風險的地方可能有需要增加見警率我們不是全面\n\n7\n00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:29,085\n所以這可能是文字的誤解說法的誤解我早上有說蠻遺憾的就是說大家只看那個媒體報導的標題但我裡面講的內文沒有人在看只看標題會以為我只講見檢疫但實際上我不是這樣說的\n\n8\n00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:54,453\n對,所以您剛也有提到現在已經進入AI時代了所以連手機都有AI所以本席在這裡就是您一定要調整你見警率的思維這個沒有問題如果委員覺得說增加見警率不會是未來處理行人道安的一個好方法那未來我們交通部就不講見警率的部分因為坦白說執法的這個層面不是交通部該做的\n\n9\n00:02:54,833 --> 00:03:10,038\n也不是我們能做的是內政部警政署做的因為您上任說了嘛大家就會去追這個好那沒關係所以這個現在警力不足啦警力不足所以在交通部分\n\n10\n00:03:10,598 --> 00:03:30,845\n要能夠加強我想AI時代還有包括科技執法您剛剛有提到科技執法但是您上任之後有沒有瞭解到其實科技執法這麼多年也沒有很多年就這幾年下來其實造成民怨非常大您知道這件事嗎這個我理解我是地方民意代表出身的事實上我聽到大家只要有收到紅單都一定是抱怨\n\n11\n00:03:32,185 --> 00:03:50,139\n有的不一定是因為接到紅單的抱怨那科技執法也有它很多這個不當的地方執行面的部分所以本席在這裡要請您一定要回去瞭解跟您報告連科技執法這一面也不是交通部管的是內政部管的\n\n12\n00:03:50,399 --> 00:03:53,923\n你還記得今年八月你有來新竹一趟,我們還有碰到面,是哪一場?\n\n13\n00:04:11,238 --> 00:04:37,767\n那一天非常熱那你們那一天您跟卓院長是搭高鐵還是坐公務車下來我是坐公務車您是坐公務車那卓院長你們不是一起的我們不是一起的沒有一起所以您要說的塞車我有遇到我知道我提早差不多一個小時從臺北出發才到達所以在哪一段塞\n\n14\n00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:40,014\n所以這一塊我們有賴這個所謂的羊頭高架道路\n\n15\n00:04:57,233 --> 00:05:16,765\n那這個部分也要請我們交通部可以加速來進行報告委員這個部分加速進行之外我最近也請我們的運援所跟我們每一個單位包含高工局大家一起來研究在工程完成因為工程完成至少還要5、6年5、6年之內的這段時間我們要怎麼改善\n\n16\n00:05:17,225 --> 00:05:37,731\n例如說公共運輸怎麼加強或者科技園區裡面有沒有可能會有接駁車之類的讓大家盡量不要開這麼多車就高速公路短時間這五六年還是要想辦法去解決對很好對這些配套還是要給我們那除了羊頭高架當然我們竹北交流道那個已經是20年的這個問題\n\n17\n00:05:39,491 --> 00:05:52,084\n所以我想現在也應該在進行中所以我們希望陳部長上來能夠非常的重視然後能夠全力的支持讓我們能夠加速進行\n\n18\n00:05:54,827 --> 00:06:11,728\n那最後本席要特別提就是說我們的不管高速公路、快速道路或甚至鐵道周邊的住戶常常會受到噪音的干擾那像我們新竹就有一些部分路段的民眾不斷的反應\n\n19\n00:06:12,529 --> 00:06:30,680\n而且那個噪音的分貝值已經都已經達標了已經達標了那有些就算沒有達標的部長有些就算沒有達標的比如說你72分貝可是我只測到60或者是65那我要給部長一個概念就是\n\n20\n00:06:31,460 --> 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