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00:01:38,549\n他提的我的孩子的犧牲才會是有意義的就是要換到交通改革也希望部長能夠切記那下一頁最近大家都很關心我們的行人條例即將在10月份就上路了相信我各部會都很忙碌那我想問部長針對條例的實施相關的法令規範目前的處理進度是什麼有沒有掌握\n\n6\n00:01:41,360 --> 00:02:05,785\n我們現在正在進行法制作業當中。好,我們現在正在進行法制作業。對,我們也正在進行法制作業當中。來,下一頁。就我們辦公室掌握的資料,交通部在行人優先區標誌的通過過程當中,事實上似乎有點草率。首先圖示的一個設計上,好像只開過一次會議。那就完成討論了。而且怎麼設計的?\n\n7\n00:02:07,265 --> 00:02:30,066\n沒有人講清楚那其次呢在會議當中提供的版本跟最後通過的版本都不同所以參與會議的一些專家團體都覺得我都不知情為什麼當初你會議當中提出來版本也不是按照他們意見調修出來的第二個版本不是所以這中間到底發生什麼事所以經過大家反應之後\n\n8\n00:02:30,666 --> 00:02:54,753\n一週,你們週一的時候又再度召開會議了可是最後難維持原來的條文結果呢,又告訴我們辦公室說是專家、學者跟團體的參與都是同意的不過他們認為他們是橡皮圖章,因為他們沒有同意所以我覺得江副市長應該解釋一下有些人同意,有些人不同意,確實啦有些民團跟一些專家他們的想法會不太一樣\n\n9\n00:02:55,686 --> 00:03:02,180\n是可是你不可以對外說他們已經是同意的狀態我們之後還會再召開一次的會議然後再來做更具體的討論對好\n\n10\n00:03:05,663 --> 00:03:34,441\n那夏業部長我當然知道因為人民團體為什麼或公民團體為什麼不同意因為你要去考慮到就是說我知道當然你們有一些困難在於說我們國內有一些相關法規不能用紅斜線可是我還是要去提醒兩點我們在臺灣的習慣包含我們的法規裡面規定紅斜線其實是禁止的意思大家的習慣性會覺得是禁止\n\n11\n00:03:35,602 --> 00:03:49,783\n可是本來就是已經這個是在終點那我就要提醒是我們國也是維園納的公約國在相關的通用圖面設計考慮上是不是應該要以這個為優先來作為依據\n\n12\n00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:54,028\n以圖示為主,文字為輔\n\n13\n00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:16,228\n二、國外針對於行人優先區事實上有對應的配套措施?\n\n14\n00:04:28,803 --> 00:04:44,914\n目前有針對優先區研擬、修訂相關的措施人嗎?報告委員,這個部分應該是會內政部他們來研擬這個部分會會選交通部,但是是內政部為主因為它是市區裡面的道路市區細則裡面對優先區的部分是\n\n15\n00:04:47,657 --> 00:05:05,382\n好那我們後邊我們再請交通部那個內政部再提供你剛剛所說的那個圖示因為對於圖示大家確實現在還有不一樣的看法所以我們優先會起點的時候有圖示然後也有文字那終點的部分我們現在先用文字\n\n16\n00:05:06,262 --> 00:05:29,819\n中點是不是還是考慮事實上是圖示大家比較清楚因為我們還是要考慮其他外國人來到這邊的時候要怎麼去理解我們希望在年底之前大家凝聚共識因為那個圖示的部分大家建議比較多所以我們現在先用文字那未來如果要加圖示是可以再加的那是不是到時候10月1號要上路如果有排面這樣做的話是不是浪費公堂可能要去考慮啊\n\n17\n00:05:30,923 --> 00:05:54,976\n下面的文字上面未來可以再加圖示那個沒有問題不會浪費公帑因為你即便未來有圖示下面我們文字還是建議要寫上去所以希望我們盡速而且我認為要跟公民團體跟專家學者充分的溝通不是一意孤行沒問題沒問題那再來我想問部長如果今天你開車準備左轉的時候你會停在哪一個地方是A還是B如果是我會停在A\n\n18\n00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:11,325\n那相信部長應該隨時有掌握我們的新修法的條文的狀況所以你才會回答是A可是我也要問進一步問部長說如果這個車道前方都是車停在\n\n19\n00:06:14,060 --> 00:06:28,685\n看得到對象來車嗎?看不到的話怎麼辦呢?如果確定對象沒車可是我開到B處的時候呢結果對象車道又出現車的話那我是不是就要在那邊暫停呢?那可是來下一個喔\n\n20\n00:06:29,545 --> 00:06:41,786\n英國事實上是針對於這樣私有相關的法規那如果轉彎的時候可以先進入到黃網線去等待我們路權比較大的直行車通道所以我不知道台灣為什麼\n\n21\n00:06:43,462 --> 00:07:13,190\n要去執行一定要選擇事上是用A的方式下一頁所以在新的法規裡邊剛剛講的那如果我真的不小心看到前面的時候那個暫停所以在交通部在9月23號的會議當中那依舊維持原本有爭議的條文內容那新增禁止在環網線當中去暫停的規定那當然據說這是警政署堅持的可是修法的版本當中\n\n22\n00:07:13,570 --> 00:07:25,095\n不僅沒有定義何謂叫做暫停這樣的規定也會讓跟先進國家的規範是不同的所以除了背離實際的駕駛的情境也有可能產生行車的安全\n\n23\n00:07:26,506 --> 00:07:52,567\n來下一頁所以在這邊我主張是不是可以儘速完善我們的標誌的規則來修正可是要多方參考國際的規範專家學者的跟團體的意見第二個能夠有效的落實應該儘速訂定新任遊閒區的相對應的規範那所以是不是這兩個觀點那也麻煩部長兩個禮拜內回覆我相關的書面意見可以嗎好感謝委員沒問題好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝\n\n24\n00:07:58,617 --> 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那我們後邊我們再請交通部那個內政部再提供你剛剛所說的那個圖示因為對於圖示大家確實現在還有不一樣的看法所以我們優先會起點的時候有圖示然後也有文字那終點的部分我們現在先用文字\n306262\t329819\t中點是不是還是考慮事實上是圖示大家比較清楚因為我們還是要考慮其他外國人來到這邊的時候要怎麼去理解我們希望在年底之前大家凝聚共識因為那個圖示的部分大家建議比較多所以我們現在先用文字那未來如果要加圖示是可以再加的那是不是到時候10月1號要上路如果有排面這樣做的話是不是浪費公堂可能要去考慮啊\n330923\t354976\t下面的文字上面未來可以再加圖示那個沒有問題不會浪費公帑因為你即便未來有圖示下面我們文字還是建議要寫上去所以希望我們盡速而且我認為要跟公民團體跟專家學者充分的溝通不是一意孤行沒問題沒問題那再來我想問部長如果今天你開車準備左轉的時候你會停在哪一個地方是A還是B如果是我會停在A\n359000\t371325\t那相信部長應該隨時有掌握我們的新修法的條文的狀況所以你才會回答是A可是我也要問進一步問部長說如果這個車道前方都是車停在\n374060\t388685\t看得到對象來車嗎?看不到的話怎麼辦呢?如果確定對象沒車可是我開到B處的時候呢結果對象車道又出現車的話那我是不是就要在那邊暫停呢?那可是來下一個喔\n389545\t401786\t英國事實上是針對於這樣私有相關的法規那如果轉彎的時候可以先進入到黃網線去等待我們路權比較大的直行車通道所以我不知道台灣為什麼\n403462\t433190\t要去執行一定要選擇事上是用A的方式下一頁所以在新的法規裡邊剛剛講的那如果我真的不小心看到前面的時候那個暫停所以在交通部在9月23號的會議當中那依舊維持原本有爭議的條文內容那新增禁止在環網線當中去暫停的規定那當然據說這是警政署堅持的可是修法的版本當中\n433570\t445095\t不僅沒有定義何謂叫做暫停這樣的規定也會讓跟先進國家的規範是不同的所以除了背離實際的駕駛的情境也有可能產生行車的安全\n446506\t472567\t來 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