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00:00:48,473\n主席\n\n4\n00:01:06,644 --> 00:01:35,475\n只有438.18億那再度纏連纏連什麼就是六都最低所以今天我才把這問題重新再來跟院長討論一次那你看看我們桃園是創稅名列前茅但是我們的補助款全國倒數第三扣掉離島我覺得這個對我們桃園已經是非常不公平了那當然我覺得等一下我們可以再來討論這個才化法的問題但是在現在我們覺得對桃園這麼不公平的補助之下\n\n5\n00:01:36,055 --> 00:01:36,315\n所以我想院長：\n\n6\n00:01:52,093 --> 00:02:15,222\n其實我們這一次您用這個縣市執行非法訂設服支出其實我們真的要替桃園叫屈因為我們其實是在執行其實中央有很多的政策也許中央做得不完善或者中央做不到但是地方政府來協助來做但是我們不了解為什麼這樣子還要遭到扣除我們的補助款這是一個我想我們不能接受同時我想其實各縣市\n\n7\n00:02:15,842 --> 00:02:16,563\n以上我講的院長認同嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:33,834 --> 00:02:37,938\n我們來談看看桃園市有沒有違反或是不是遵守的那我想院長我想請教您一下您同不同意少子化是國安問題\n\n9\n00:02:58,218 --> 00:03:17,555\n當然同意,而且非常的嚴重那既然是國安問題,就是中央跟地方必須要一起來解決的但我們看這幾年,其實中央做的成果並不好我不是說中央沒有做,而是其實這個成果我們可以看得到從數字上看起來,其實人口也呈現負成長那目前這個生不如死的狀況,我想院長有掌握著嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:18,115 --> 00:03:47,361\n那所以你看我們地方政府也為了要協助中央或者是我們自己的縣市去解決那我們包括這個提高生育率的這個協助國安解決問題的策略其實非常多我想我唸給你聽有幾個我們桃園市真的做得很好的地方包括我們這個五歲幼兒教育的助學金好運專車或者動然補助以及產後憂鬱心理諮商以及我們國中小營養午餐免費等等這以上哪一項不是在因應少子化我們來解決國安問題提出來的一些福利\n\n11\n00:03:48,001 --> 00:04:07,780\n那我不了解就是今天為什麼我們去補中央的不足我們去做一件對我們少子化有幫助的事情那我們對這個孩子下一代或者是對我們的這個產婦孕婦提高生育率有很多的誘因那結果呢我們幫忙解決問題但我們卻要受到中央這樣的懲罰還要扣我們這個補助稅款這怎麼對呢這怎麼會公平呢\n\n12\n00:04:08,544 --> 00:04:08,944\n我請部長能夠說明一下謝謝\n\n13\n00:04:22,714 --> 00:04:25,556\n關於中央統籌分配稅款的部分\n\n14\n00:04:44,753 --> 00:04:47,615\n我們來談有沒有違反規定或相關法條或標準剛剛我們桃園市有在做動軟補助\n\n15\n00:05:09,731 --> 00:05:10,753\n可見這是一個好的政策這是第一個\n\n16\n00:05:27,532 --> 00:05:27,712\n主席\n\n17\n00:05:50,305 --> 00:06:14,764\n有沒有超過現行中央法規的標準有沒有超過中央所定的一致性標準以及第三項地方自行開辦社會福利措施且編列金額大院長大家有瞭解嗎這三項我們再來看以上這三項我覺得你們一定會同意這都是原則性的規範它沒有一個特定的項目也沒有一個認定的標準是都沒有的還是院長有\n\n18\n00:06:17,403 --> 00:06:39,254\n但是各項補助要量力而為人民會希望中央地方政府多給他一些生活上的照顧我想你同意這是一個原則性的規範量力或者是編列金額大到底什麼是大什麼是小量力什麼叫量力\n\n19\n00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:40,254\n韓國瑜\n\n20\n00:07:01,323 --> 00:07:01,683\n中和以上\n\n21\n00:07:18,354 --> 00:07:38,566\n您可能覺得扣這個一億不多那這個要來懲罰我們懲罰什麼我也不知道那但我想您應該不會這樣做可是呢我本期在這裡真的要告訴您我想桃園市不但過去在才化法以及這個補助上面對我們不盡公平我們都還沒有爭取到一個公平的待遇那結果你又反過來再扣我們錢\n\n22\n00:07:39,266 --> 00:08:04,656\n我覺得這個是我們完全沒辦法接受的何況我們在解決中央的問題再者我再舉另外一個例子讓你知道我們的財政有多辛苦我們囤房稅2.0今年是7月上路台灣市政府也很配合中央政策我們都配合所以我們把單一自住稅率跟一年內代銷的房屋稅我們都把它調降但是囤房稅我們還是配合對不對還是配合做可是我們這樣計算起來我們的稅損9000多萬\n\n23\n00:08:06,377 --> 00:08:26,287\n也就是說你又扣我一億囤房稅我配合中央政策我又少九千多萬一來一往兩億的預算所以我想院長我有一個請求我想我們這個財化法的修正在9月4號財政部已經邀集了我們各地方政府來徵集意見雖然之前也有做那這次聽說也獲得了初步分配指標的一個共識\n\n24\n00:08:27,888 --> 00:08:56,290\n我們希望行政院能不能儘速這院長上個會期我也提過那我希望說我們儘速提出我們的版本那麼同時對於今天我們所討論的非法定社會福利的支出去扣減補助款的這個部分我希望院長能不能承諾說我們在三個月之內我們提出這個檢討還有能不能提出一些具體的標準不要再模擬兩可量力啦大啦小啦我覺得我們有沒有一個比較具體的三個月之內能不能把它做一個檢討\n\n25\n00:08:56,830 --> 00:09:02,613\n院長我要提一下你知道嗎一個縣市政府的財政如你們所說的不管短促惡化它的原因絕對不是單一的\n\n26\n00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:20,560\n財化法的部分請部長再\n\n27\n00:09:49,485 --> 00:09:53,458\n談話法我們先我們再找時間再談但是這個部分您覺得可以嗎\n\n28\n00:09:55,202 --> 00:10:19,805\n你說補助的部分補助我們一向都有中央地方一個補助的標準在執行不管是計劃型的或是一般的我是在這裡嚴正的表達您這樣子就是扣除這個疑義我們不能接受那還有囤房稅這個9千萬對桃園來說也很辛苦所以我們希望是不是日後我們有這個計劃型的補助行政院能夠多支持一下可以嗎\n\n29\n00:10:20,706 --> 00:10:20,826\n市長在\n\n30\n00:10:44,381 --> 00:10:45,082\n我會特別注意,謝謝委員提醒\n\n31\n00:11:00,967 --> 00:11:02,788\n桃園的停跳電高達178次27萬戶左右受到很大的影響怨聲載道\n\n32\n00:11:23,479 --> 00:11:38,072\n那我相信這個民院身為一個行政院長是應該要去重視跟解決的那上個會期的時候我有要求經濟部其實要成立外部的這個停跳電事故調查委員會那當時也承諾會成立那不曉得四個月過去的現在這個委員會成立了嗎\n\n33\n00:11:38,902 --> 00:11:39,262\n所以有還是沒有?\n\n34\n00:12:01,172 --> 00:12:24,057\n目前有還是沒有?我們有在調查目前有成立還是沒有成立?我們有成立一個機制好那你不用說你可以先下去因為今天顯然為你後面經濟部所有的事情大概都是這種回答因為他沒有辦法了解然後也沒有辦法代表這個經濟部的部長所以今天我想經濟部的事情我還是先請教院長如果沒辦法回答的那我們就是這個會後給我一個資料好不好?是的謝謝\n\n35\n00:12:25,177 --> 00:12:52,185\n我希望這個外部停跳電事故調查委員會之前有說要成立起來我們就積極把它成立起來因為這個調查事故的原因很重要而且會有公信力我想這個對大家都好臺電的董事長曾文森說了一句八月的時候他說桃園以北五百萬瓦以上的大型數據中心一律不合工這句話其實真的引起軒然大波請問一下院長原因是什麼\n\n36\n00:12:53,168 --> 00:13:18,743\n第一個我們覺得包括國外的知名的廠商大廠要來台灣設立任何的資訊中心研發中心設廠我們都歡迎但也要顧慮到我們整個的平均的分配包括土地的取得包括能源的使用等等跟人力的配置那這個我希望在整個國家的整體的策略要求底下我們來做這樣的規劃能夠跟國外的大廠取得協議\n\n37\n00:13:20,043 --> 00:13:37,009\n臺電跟經濟部講的缺電的問題電網的問題您就是沒有提到那我想我來提一下當時除了說桃園以北不合工之外同時還講一個這也是經濟部說的他說我們還是鼓勵科技業但是請你優先到支持設立電廠的縣市\n\n38\n00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:40,351\n請你到支持設立電廠的縣市\n\n39\n00:14:00,239 --> 00:14:16,271\n全台發電將近五分之一我們現在桃園正在建三階天然氣接收站剛剛提到有13座燃氣機組也就是說我們其實是一個燃氣發電的重點城市\n\n40\n00:14:17,432 --> 00:14:17,552\n毛孟靜議員\n\n41\n00:14:37,972 --> 00:14:55,326\n部長我想我沒有要給經濟部回答因為他也答不出個所以然來但我今天要跟院長講如果台電經濟部在這種說法上自行矛盾關我桃園我是不能接受的我們這麼多的發電在桃園桃園人犧牲還要有這些空屋\n\n42\n00:14:56,067 --> 00:14:58,728\n首先他不是限制令他是在設廠的過程當中就我們的能源提供\n\n43\n00:15:17,256 --> 00:15:17,456\n講到這個電網阿\n\n44\n00:15:43,514 --> 00:16:01,412\n執政8年了今年第9年了現在還在講這個電網有問題那之前怎麼都不修呢對不對所以我想院長我還是今天真的就是覺得中央對桃園真的不公平我們希望在這個部分可以重新檢討能夠來支持桃園那不要把桃園列進去好不好\n\n45\n00:16:01,889 --> 00:16:17,630\n我們在總統指示下5600億的電網韌性的加強10年的工程我們會在2028年盡量把它完成包括經濟部包括台電都對這些工程極力的合作我們希望每一個部門的部會跟著院長提醒有漂亮的數字但數字要落實才是成果\n\n46\n00:16:18,010 --> 00:16:18,150\n當然這個是\n\n47\n00:16:46,946 --> 00:17:05,804\n有其需要但是尊重地方政府所以這次你會尊重張善政市長的決定是嗎這個彭博長今天有一些新的說明今天才發生我請教說明當然我們希望在橫平的狀況底下能夠有新的說法大家再重新來考慮也是可以\n\n48\n00:17:06,164 --> 00:17:08,787\n所以經濟部跟環境部你們會要桃園市政府這個就是在這個撤銷的這個部分你們一樣會這一次再撤銷嗎\n\n49\n00:17:20,362 --> 00:17:46,672\n我們給彭部長今天他有一個新的標準跟說法出來大家簡短報告委員我們中午的時候開了一個記者會因為我們全台灣體檢了SRF的廠商那桃園市也有一些SRF的製造商那也有使用的那我們目前用的標準是全世界最嚴格的標準有一個國家有用SRF我們就用他最嚴格的標準所以重金屬等等所以我們已經訂出標準了那我們也同時也告知桃園市政府了\n\n50\n00:17:47,152 --> 00:18:02,258\n部長您是說用最嚴格的標準去監督他的意思是不是對沒錯沒錯所以現在的意思是說行政院今天問院長所以環境部跟經濟部你們主張要求桃園市政府要接受這三家SRF的入院是嗎\n\n51\n00:18:03,206 --> 00:18:04,167\n我們希望能夠解決垃圾問題\n\n52\n00:18:17,677 --> 00:18:20,599\n用最新最好的方法來解決各地的認識問題\n\n53\n00:18:35,231 --> 00:18:35,732\n阿凡請交通部長備詢\n\n54\n00:18:56,459 --> 00:19:00,662\n在院會當中桃園市的代表列席代表跟我的對話是最多的陳部長今天有好一點嗎那天在委員會緊張嘛對不對今天好好多了\n\n55\n00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:22,589\n我坐火車我搭火車\n\n56\n00:19:41,844 --> 00:19:47,966\n我希望你能夠排時間來桃園桃園有太多的重大建設需要部長能夠盡快去瞭解尤其是鐵路地下化部長有瞭解到嗎\n\n57\n00:20:05,369 --> 00:20:29,085\n這個不只是桃園的重大交通建設同時也是全國非常這我們國家的重大交通建設不過呢四個月前在這裡其實我總諮詢時候當時就有提到了工程嚴重延宕非常嚴重延宕那現在不管是土建標還是基電標目前都還有16個標是沒有標出去的四個月的時間一個一個標案都沒有出去其實這是很嚴重的\n\n58\n00:20:31,026 --> 00:20:55,923\n公程進度只要慢就是在凌遲我們桃園市的市民而且增加這個交通黑暗期我想您待過台中您也知道其實我們任何重大交通建設都是要快一點那這四個月當中我們這個工程的進度原本應該是要從35.33%要能夠提高到37.5%要能夠這個進度是要能夠有這個增加2.1%可是我們沒有所以呢適同我們的落後的進度從4%擴大到5%所以還是不斷的在落後\n\n59\n00:21:00,065 --> 00:21:00,826\n金費不足的部分有沒有編入明年度的預算\n\n60\n00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:45,627\n這個牽扯到桃園市甚至跟新北市都有相關那中央跟地方在這種財務分配的比例下是有一定的標準的院長那我們講到這個財務分配比例我想之前桃園市跟中央的分配是我們25%中央75%但是我必須要講這1048億的基礎之下我們同意這樣做因為我們橫著過我們的財政狀況那現在你又要多增加將近800億桃園市現在的財政雪上加霜\n\n61\n00:21:55,131 --> 00:22:10,239\n那你如果還要再我們去負擔這25%我想我們是不能接受的所以我也希望跟院長跟部長來溝通跟請命說這769億我們希望能夠由中央全數來支持不要再讓桃園有這麼大的負擔了可以嗎\n\n62\n00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:30,868\n報告委員我們增加的經費除了當然是物價指數的問題物價調高了不少那其實還有一些部分是因為這個憑證的難演你應該也都很清楚那個部分就增加了100多億然後還有一些是這個文資的一些挖掘的發掘的部分確實也造成了一些延宕\n\n63\n00:22:31,328 --> 00:22:31,708\n花蓮0台南12.5嘉宜14\n\n64\n00:22:52,648 --> 00:22:54,190\n所以我希望之前的25%我們是談好的\n\n65\n00:23:11,688 --> 00:23:11,988\n麻煩請衛福部請備詢\n\n66\n00:23:35,443 --> 00:24:04,663\n委員長我想我就先提我想去年112年5月1號起我們新冠肺炎就從第5類的法定傳染病調整為第4類那指揮中心在這個時候也解散當時的發言人也是現在機關署的副署長羅一鈞也說這個新冠肺炎把這個等級調整跟流感相當中重症或併發症才需通報同時也有很多的醫學專家也都認定新冠肺炎這個流感化您同意嗎\n\n67\n00:24:05,463 --> 00:24:14,869\n新冠再度比照流感病發症改名為新冠病發重症放寬通報時效維福部的做法是否象徵新冠走向流感化或比照流感來辦理\n\n68\n00:24:32,636 --> 00:24:32,816\n報告委員\n\n69\n00:24:49,622 --> 00:25:16,858\n我想就在大家都以為現在疫情已經過去或者穩定的這個新冠肺炎事實上它其實是悄悄的捲土重來中而且進入到第六波的一個大流行在6月底7月初也就是我們說的27週28週甚至達到一個高峰單週單週的急診就診人數高達12萬8千多人那這個單週最高新增了987例的重症同時還有104例的死亡\n\n70\n00:25:17,678 --> 00:25:17,818\n是的\n\n71\n00:25:37,745 --> 00:25:53,019\n好那我們再來看根據行政院110年合定的新興傳染病劑流感大流行的這個計畫裡面這個依據計畫中防疫物資儲備跟管理的指標我們對於流感的這個抗病毒藥物\n\n72\n00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:57,002\n是的首先在這邊還是謝謝委員過去對防疫工作長多年來的一個關心跟幫忙那有關你剛剛您提的問題\n\n73\n00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:22,740\n9月11日我們看到我們自己發布的新聞\n\n74\n00:26:38,466 --> 00:26:46,434\n採購了80萬份的新冠抗病毒藥物其中30萬瑞德西韋可是15萬年底才要到貨另外15萬是開口合約50萬的貝拉維40萬人份年底才要到貨另外2萬的莫納皮拉維也是開口合約\n\n75\n00:26:58,766 --> 00:27:12,373\n所以我們現在看到事實上我們的庫存到目前為止大概83萬份左右那佔總人口數大概3.5個百分點而已如果我們一樣是流感化其實這樣的備要我覺得打了一個大大的問號那我們再來看\n\n76\n00:27:14,594 --> 00:27:37,239\n因為現在馬上10月份了要進入秋冬了疫情會不會捲土再來會不會突然間有很大的一個變化那疫情會不會突然高漲我們不知道可是我們就是要做好準備嘛何況我們有以前的這個防疫的一個經驗所以呢我覺得我們再來看一個數字這個數字是疾管署統計的今年4月我們新冠累積的這個重症的這個個案數高達9900例\n\n77\n00:27:40,221 --> 00:28:03,180\n這個數字是我們同期流感病發症700餘例的14倍同時新冠死亡大概1000例左右也是流感死亡個案100例的11倍所以我覺得如果我們都把它看成流感化那何以我們防疫的藥物儲備差那麼多我們對待流感跟對待新冠我們的SOP好像也差非常多\n\n78\n00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:09,605\n我首先謝謝委員透過這麼重要的時間提醒國人不要釣魚輕心這個是非常感激新冠跟流感我們現在同步會從10月1號開始第一階段針對65歲以上的國人預施打\n\n79\n00:28:32,924 --> 00:28:39,189\n那我請教一下那我們到底明年有沒有編預算要購買快篩跟這個新冠的抗病毒藥品\n\n80\n00:28:55,063 --> 00:28:56,585\n有沒有編這個預算我現在請教一下有沒有編這個預算那現在有沒有編這個預算明年要買這個藥\n\n81\n00:29:10,467 --> 00:29:11,948\n所以明年沒有編列預算對嗎\n\n82\n00:29:30,584 --> 00:29:57,791\n明年度就暫時不用編列但是沒有編列但是我覺得這還是值得我們擔憂院長我們今天在這邊不是要用指責或責怪什麼做了什麼沒有做我覺得這件事非常的重要我們必須要去看待它我們要知道其實現在如果我們備藥不足用藥又有受限因為目前用藥是有限制備藥不足用藥又有受限未來中重症或者死亡率它就有可能會提高\n\n83\n00:29:58,371 --> 00:30:08,691\n所以這一點本席在這邊為什麼今天這麼多議題這一題非常重要馬上秋冬就要開始了我們希望把備要用足然後呢我們未來這個用要能夠放寬可以嗎\n\n84\n00:30:09,403 --> 00:30:34,097\n是謝謝委員再次謝謝透過這樣的機會來提醒國人衛福部一定要記取過去的例子跟經驗在往後的時間內不要重複過去讓國人感到不安的所以不管是疫苗備藥或是口罩這個部分能夠提前準備的我會要求衛福部要確實的到位好院長我想這個用藥顯然現在備量不足我們希望趕快把它補起來好不好我會備齊會準備備齊\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15506\t17169\t謝謝主席 我們有請卓榮泰院長\n30768\t46432\t萬美玲好好 院長好我想 院長其實今天要跟您討論的一些議題在上個會期時期也跟您討論過但是我們希望今天能有一些進度那在上個會期本期有跟您質詢過桃園市這個近年來的人口年增率高達1.32%\n48353\t48473\t主席\n66644\t95475\t只有438.18億那再度纏連纏連什麼就是六都最低所以今天我才把這問題重新再來跟院長討論一次那你看看我們桃園是創稅名列前茅但是我們的補助款全國倒數第三扣掉離島我覺得這個對我們桃園已經是非常不公平了那當然我覺得等一下我們可以再來討論這個才化法的問題但是在現在我們覺得對桃園這麼不公平的補助之下\n96055\t96315\t所以我想院長：\n112093\t135222\t其實我們這一次您用這個縣市執行非法訂設服支出其實我們真的要替桃園叫屈因為我們其實是在執行其實中央有很多的政策也許中央做得不完善或者中央做不到但是地方政府來協助來做但是我們不了解為什麼這樣子還要遭到扣除我們的補助款這是一個我想我們不能接受同時我想其實各縣市\n135842\t136563\t以上我講的院長認同嗎?\n153834\t157938\t我們來談看看桃園市有沒有違反或是不是遵守的那我想院長我想請教您一下您同不同意少子化是國安問題\n178218\t197555\t當然同意,而且非常的嚴重那既然是國安問題,就是中央跟地方必須要一起來解決的但我們看這幾年,其實中央做的成果並不好我不是說中央沒有做,而是其實這個成果我們可以看得到從數字上看起來,其實人口也呈現負成長那目前這個生不如死的狀況,我想院長有掌握著嗎?\n198115\t227361\t那所以你看我們地方政府也為了要協助中央或者是我們自己的縣市去解決那我們包括這個提高生育率的這個協助國安解決問題的策略其實非常多我想我唸給你聽有幾個我們桃園市真的做得很好的地方包括我們這個五歲幼兒教育的助學金好運專車或者動然補助以及產後憂鬱心理諮商以及我們國中小營養午餐免費等等這以上哪一項不是在因應少子化我們來解決國安問題提出來的一些福利\n228001\t247780\t那我不了解就是今天為什麼我們去補中央的不足我們去做一件對我們少子化有幫助的事情那我們對這個孩子下一代或者是對我們的這個產婦孕婦提高生育率有很多的誘因那結果呢我們幫忙解決問題但我們卻要受到中央這樣的懲罰還要扣我們這個補助稅款這怎麼對呢 這怎麼會公平呢\n248544\t248944\t我請部長能夠說明一下 謝謝\n262714\t265556\t關於中央統籌分配稅款的部分\n284753\t287615\t我們來談有沒有違反規定或相關法條或標準剛剛我們桃園市有在做動軟補助\n309731\t310753\t可見這是一個好的政策這是第一個\n327532\t327712\t主席\n350305\t374764\t有沒有超過現行中央法規的標準有沒有超過中央所定的一致性標準以及第三項地方自行開辦社會福利措施且編列金額大院長大家有瞭解嗎這三項我們再來看以上這三項我覺得你們一定會同意這都是原則性的規範它沒有一個特定的項目也沒有一個認定的標準是都沒有的還是院長有\n377403\t399254\t但是各項補助要量力而為人民會希望中央地方政府多給他一些生活上的照顧我想你同意這是一個原則性的規範量力或者是編列金額大到底什麼是大什麼是小量力什麼叫量力\n400234\t400254\t韓國瑜\n421323\t421683\t中和以上\n438354\t458566\t您可能覺得扣這個一億不多那這個要來懲罰我們懲罰什麼我也不知道那但我想您應該不會這樣做可是呢我本期在這裡真的要告訴您我想桃園市不但過去在才化法以及這個補助上面對我們不盡公平我們都還沒有爭取到一個公平的待遇那結果你又反過來再扣我們錢\n459266\t484656\t我覺得這個是我們完全沒辦法接受的 何況我們在解決中央的問題再者我再舉另外一個例子 讓你知道我們的財政有多辛苦我們囤房稅2.0今年是7月上路 台灣市政府也很配合 中央政策我們都配合所以我們把單一自住稅率跟一年內代銷的房屋稅我們都把它調降 但是囤房稅我們還是配合對不對還是配合做 可是我們這樣計算起來我們的稅損9000多萬\n486377\t506287\t也就是說你又扣我一億 囤房稅我配合中央政策我又少九千多萬 一來一往兩億的預算所以我想 院長我有一個請求我想我們這個財化法的修正在9月4號財政部已經邀集了我們各地方政府來徵集意見雖然之前也有做那這次聽說也獲得了初步分配指標的一個共識\n507888\t536290\t我們希望行政院能不能儘速這院長上個會期我也提過那我希望說我們儘速提出我們的版本那麼同時對於今天我們所討論的非法定社會福利的支出去扣減補助款的這個部分我希望院長能不能承諾說我們在三個月之內我們提出這個檢討還有能不能提出一些具體的標準不要再模擬兩可量力啦大啦小啦我覺得我們有沒有一個比較具體的三個月之內能不能把它做一個檢討\n536830\t542613\t院長 我要提一下你知道嗎 一個縣市政府的財政 如你們所說的 不管短促 惡化 它的原因絕對不是單一的\n560160\t560560\t財化法的部分請部長再\n589485\t593458\t談話法我們先我們再找時間再談但是這個部分您覺得可以嗎\n595202\t619805\t你說補助的部分補助我們一向都有中央地方一個補助的標準在執行不管是計劃型的或是一般的我是在這裡嚴正的表達您這樣子就是扣除這個疑義我們不能接受那還有囤房稅這個9千萬對桃園來說也很辛苦所以我們希望是不是日後我們有這個計劃型的補助行政院能夠多支持一下可以嗎\n620706\t620826\t市長在\n644381\t645082\t我會特別注意,謝謝委員提醒\n660967\t662788\t桃園的停跳電高達178次27萬戶左右受到很大的影響怨聲載道\n683479\t698072\t那我相信這個民院身為一個行政院長是應該要去重視跟解決的那上個會期的時候我有要求經濟部其實要成立外部的這個停跳電事故調查委員會那當時也承諾會成立那不曉得四個月過去的現在這個委員會成立了嗎\n698902\t699262\t所以有還是沒有?\n721172\t744057\t目前有還是沒有?我們有在調查目前有成立還是沒有成立?我們有成立一個機制好那你不用說你可以先下去因為今天顯然為你後面經濟部所有的事情大概都是這種回答因為他沒有辦法了解然後也沒有辦法代表這個經濟部的部長所以今天我想經濟部的事情我還是先請教院長如果沒辦法回答的那我們就是這個會後給我一個資料好不好?是的 謝謝\n745177\t772185\t我希望這個外部停跳電事故調查委員會之前有說要成立起來我們就積極把它成立起來因為這個調查事故的原因很重要而且會有公信力我想這個對大家都好臺電的董事長曾文森說了一句八月的時候他說桃園以北五百萬瓦以上的大型數據中心一律不合工這句話其實真的引起軒然大波請問一下院長原因是什麼\n773168\t798743\t第一個我們覺得包括國外的知名的廠商大廠要來台灣設立任何的資訊中心研發中心設廠我們都歡迎但也要顧慮到我們整個的平均的分配包括土地的取得包括能源的使用等等跟人力的配置那這個我希望在整個國家的整體的策略要求底下我們來做這樣的規劃能夠跟國外的大廠取得協議\n800043\t817009\t臺電跟經濟部講的缺電的問題 電網的問題您就是沒有提到那我想我來提一下 當時除了說桃園以北不合工之外同時還講一個 這也是經濟部說的他說我們還是鼓勵科技業 但是請你優先到支持設立電廠的縣市\n818850\t820351\t請你到支持設立電廠的縣市\n840239\t856271\t全台發電將近五分之一我們現在桃園正在建三階天然氣接收站剛剛提到有13座燃氣機組也就是說我們其實是一個燃氣發電的重點城市\n857432\t857552\t毛孟靜議員\n877972\t895326\t部長我想我沒有要給經濟部回答因為他也答不出個所以然來但我今天要跟院長講如果台電經濟部在這種說法上自行矛盾關我桃園我是不能接受的我們這麼多的發電在桃園桃園人犧牲還要有這些空屋\n896067\t898728\t首先他不是限制令他是在設廠的過程當中就我們的能源提供\n917256\t917456\t講到這個電網阿\n943514\t961412\t執政8年了今年第9年了現在還在講這個電網有問題那之前怎麼都不修呢對不對所以我想院長我還是今天真的就是覺得中央對桃園真的不公平我們希望在這個部分可以重新檢討能夠來支持桃園那不要把桃園列進去好不好\n961889\t977630\t我們在總統指示下5600億的電網韌性的加強10年的工程我們會在2028年盡量把它完成包括經濟部包括台電都對這些工程極力的合作我們希望每一個部門的部會跟著院長提醒有漂亮的數字但數字要落實才是成果\n978010\t978150\t當然這個是\n1006946\t1025804\t有其需要但是尊重地方政府所以這次你會尊重張善政市長的決定是嗎這個彭博長今天有一些新的說明今天才發生我請教說明當然我們希望在橫平的狀況底下能夠有新的說法大家再重新來考慮也是可以\n1026164\t1028787\t所以經濟部跟環境部你們會要桃園市政府這個就是在這個撤銷的這個部分你們一樣會這一次再撤銷嗎\n1040362\t1066672\t我們給彭部長今天他有一個新的標準跟說法出來大家簡短報告委員我們中午的時候開了一個記者會因為我們全台灣體檢了SRF的廠商那桃園市也有一些SRF的製造商那也有使用的那我們目前用的標準是全世界最嚴格的標準有一個國家有用SRF我們就用他最嚴格的標準所以重金屬等等所以我們已經訂出標準了那我們也同時也告知桃園市政府了\n1067152\t1082258\t部長您是說用最嚴格的標準去監督他的意思是不是對 沒錯 沒錯所以現在的意思是說行政院今天問院長所以環境部跟經濟部你們主張要求桃園市政府要接受這三家SRF的入院是嗎\n1083206\t1084167\t我們希望能夠解決垃圾問題\n1097677\t1100599\t用最新最好的方法來解決各地的認識問題\n1115231\t1115732\t阿凡請交通部長備詢\n1136459\t1140662\t在院會當中桃園市的代表列席代表跟我的對話是最多的陳部長今天有好一點嗎那天在委員會緊張嘛對不對今天好 好多了\n1162329\t1162589\t我坐火車我搭火車\n1181844\t1187966\t我希望你能夠排時間來桃園桃園有太多的重大建設需要部長能夠盡快去瞭解尤其是鐵路地下化部長有瞭解到嗎\n1205369\t1229085\t這個不只是桃園的重大交通建設 同時也是全國非常 這我們國家的重大交通建設不過呢 四個月前在這裡 其實我總諮詢時候 當時就有提到了工程嚴重延宕 非常嚴重延宕那現在不管是土建標還是基電標 目前都還有16個標是沒有標出去的四個月的時間 一個一個標案都沒有出去 其實這是很嚴重的\n1231026\t1255923\t公程進度只要慢就是在凌遲我們桃園市的市民而且增加這個交通黑暗期我想您待過台中您也知道其實我們任何重大交通建設都是要快一點那這四個月當中我們這個工程的進度原本應該是要從35.33%要能夠提高到37.5%要能夠這個進度是要能夠有這個增加2.1%可是我們沒有所以呢適同我們的落後的進度從4%擴大到5%所以還是不斷的在落後\n1260065\t1260826\t金費不足的部分有沒有編入明年度的預算\n1286159\t1305627\t這個牽扯到桃園市甚至跟新北市都有相關那中央跟地方在這種財務分配的比例下是有一定的標準的院長那我們講到這個財務分配比例我想之前桃園市跟中央的分配是我們25%中央75%但是我必須要講這1048億的基礎之下我們同意這樣做因為我們橫著過我們的財政狀況那現在你又要多增加將近800億桃園市現在的財政雪上加霜\n1315131\t1330239\t那你如果還要再我們去負擔這25%我想我們是不能接受的所以我也希望跟院長跟部長來溝通跟請命說這769億我們希望能夠由中央全數來支持不要再讓桃園有這麼大的負擔了可以嗎\n1332480\t1350868\t報告委員我們增加的經費除了當然是物價指數的問題物價調高了不少那其實還有一些部分是因為這個憑證的難演你應該也都很清楚那個部分就增加了100多億然後還有一些是這個文資的一些挖掘的發掘的部分確實也造成了一些延宕\n1351328\t1351708\t花蓮0 台南12.5 嘉宜14\n1372648\t1374190\t所以我希望之前的25%我們是談好的\n1391688\t1391988\t麻煩請衛福部請備詢\n1415443\t1444663\t委員長 我想我就先提 我想去年 112年5月1號起我們新冠肺炎就從第5類的法定傳染病調整為第4類那指揮中心在這個時候也解散當時的發言人也是現在機關署的副署長羅一鈞也說這個新冠肺炎把這個等級調整跟流感相當中重症或併發症才需通報同時也有很多的醫學專家也都認定新冠肺炎這個流感化您同意嗎\n1445463\t1454869\t新冠再度比照流感病發症 改名為新冠病發重症 放寬通報時效維福部的做法是否象徵新冠走向流感化或比照流感來辦理\n1472636\t1472816\t報告委員\n1489622\t1516858\t我想就在大家都以為現在疫情已經過去或者穩定的這個新冠肺炎事實上它其實是悄悄的捲土重來中而且進入到第六波的一個大流行在6月底7月初也就是我們說的27週28週甚至達到一個高峰單週單週的急診就診人數高達12萬8千多人那這個單週最高新增了987例的重症同時還有104例的死亡\n1517678\t1517818\t是的\n1537745\t1553019\t好 那我們再來看根據行政院110年合定的新興傳染病劑流感大流行的這個計畫裡面這個依據計畫中防疫物資儲備跟管理的指標我們對於流感的這個抗病毒藥物\n1553660\t1557002\t是的首先在這邊還是謝謝委員過去對防疫工作長多年來的一個關心跟幫忙那有關你剛剛您提的問題\n1581300\t1582740\t9月11日我們看到我們自己發布的新聞\n1598466\t1606434\t採購了80萬份的新冠抗病毒藥物其中30萬瑞德西韋可是15萬年底才要到貨另外15萬是開口合約50萬的貝拉維40萬人份年底才要到貨另外2萬的莫納皮拉維也是開口合約\n1618766\t1632373\t所以我們現在看到事實上我們的庫存到目前為止大概83萬份左右那佔總人口數大概3.5個百分點而已如果我們一樣是流感化其實這樣的備要我覺得打了一個大大的問號那我們再來看\n1634594\t1657239\t因為現在馬上10月份了要進入秋冬了疫情會不會捲土再來會不會突然間有很大的一個變化那疫情會不會突然高漲我們不知道可是我們就是要做好準備嘛何況我們有以前的這個防疫的一個經驗所以呢我覺得我們再來看一個數字這個數字是疾管署統計的今年4月我們新冠累積的這個重症的這個個案數高達9900例\n1660221\t1683180\t這個數字是我們同期流感病發症700餘例的14倍同時新冠死亡大概1000例左右也是流感死亡個案100例的11倍所以我覺得如果我們都把它看成流感化那何以我們防疫的藥物儲備差那麼多我們對待流感跟對待新冠我們的SOP好像也差非常多\n1684140\t1689605\t我首先謝謝委員透過這麼重要的時間提醒國人不要釣魚輕心這個是非常感激新冠跟流感我們現在同步會從10月1號開始第一階段針對65歲以上的國人預施打\n1712924\t1719189\t那我請教一下那我們到底明年有沒有編預算要購買快篩跟這個新冠的抗病毒藥品\n1735063\t1736585\t有沒有編這個預算我現在請教一下有沒有編這個預算那現在有沒有編這個預算明年要買這個藥\n1750467\t1751948\t所以明年沒有編列預算對嗎\n1770584\t1797791\t明年度就暫時不用編列但是沒有編列但是我覺得這還是值得我們擔憂院長我們今天在這邊不是要用指責或責怪什麼做了什麼沒有做我覺得這件事非常的重要我們必須要去看待它我們要知道其實現在如果我們備藥不足用藥又有受限因為目前用藥是有限制備藥不足用藥又有受限未來中重症或者死亡率它就有可能會提高\n1798371\t1808691\t所以這一點本席在這邊為什麼今天這麼多議題這一題非常重要馬上秋冬就要開始了我們希望把備要用足然後呢我們未來這個用要能夠放寬可以嗎\n1809403\t1834097\t是 謝謝委員再次謝謝透過這樣的機會來提醒國人衛福部一定要記取過去的例子跟經驗在往後的時間內不要重複過去讓國人感到不安的所以不管是疫苗備藥或是口罩這個部分能夠提前準備的我會要求衛福部要確實的到位好 院長我想這個用藥顯然現在備量不足我們希望趕快把它補起來好不好我會備齊 會準備備齊\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請卓榮泰院長\n萬美玲好好 院長好我想 院長其實今天要跟您討論的一些議題在上個會期時期也跟您討論過但是我們希望今天能有一些進度那在上個會期本期有跟您質詢過桃園市這個近年來的人口年增率高達1.32%\n主席\n只有438.18億那再度纏連纏連什麼就是六都最低所以今天我才把這問題重新再來跟院長討論一次那你看看我們桃園是創稅名列前茅但是我們的補助款全國倒數第三扣掉離島我覺得這個對我們桃園已經是非常不公平了那當然我覺得等一下我們可以再來討論這個才化法的問題但是在現在我們覺得對桃園這麼不公平的補助之下\n所以我想院長：\n其實我們這一次您用這個縣市執行非法訂設服支出其實我們真的要替桃園叫屈因為我們其實是在執行其實中央有很多的政策也許中央做得不完善或者中央做不到但是地方政府來協助來做但是我們不了解為什麼這樣子還要遭到扣除我們的補助款這是一個我想我們不能接受同時我想其實各縣市\n以上我講的院長認同嗎?\n我們來談看看桃園市有沒有違反或是不是遵守的那我想院長我想請教您一下您同不同意少子化是國安問題\n當然同意,而且非常的嚴重那既然是國安問題,就是中央跟地方必須要一起來解決的但我們看這幾年,其實中央做的成果並不好我不是說中央沒有做,而是其實這個成果我們可以看得到從數字上看起來,其實人口也呈現負成長那目前這個生不如死的狀況,我想院長有掌握著嗎?\n那所以你看我們地方政府也為了要協助中央或者是我們自己的縣市去解決那我們包括這個提高生育率的這個協助國安解決問題的策略其實非常多我想我唸給你聽有幾個我們桃園市真的做得很好的地方包括我們這個五歲幼兒教育的助學金好運專車或者動然補助以及產後憂鬱心理諮商以及我們國中小營養午餐免費等等這以上哪一項不是在因應少子化我們來解決國安問題提出來的一些福利\n那我不了解就是今天為什麼我們去補中央的不足我們去做一件對我們少子化有幫助的事情那我們對這個孩子下一代或者是對我們的這個產婦孕婦提高生育率有很多的誘因那結果呢我們幫忙解決問題但我們卻要受到中央這樣的懲罰還要扣我們這個補助稅款這怎麼對呢 這怎麼會公平呢\n我請部長能夠說明一下 謝謝\n關於中央統籌分配稅款的部分\n我們來談有沒有違反規定或相關法條或標準剛剛我們桃園市有在做動軟補助\n可見這是一個好的政策這是第一個\n主席\n有沒有超過現行中央法規的標準有沒有超過中央所定的一致性標準以及第三項地方自行開辦社會福利措施且編列金額大院長大家有瞭解嗎這三項我們再來看以上這三項我覺得你們一定會同意這都是原則性的規範它沒有一個特定的項目也沒有一個認定的標準是都沒有的還是院長有\n但是各項補助要量力而為人民會希望中央地方政府多給他一些生活上的照顧我想你同意這是一個原則性的規範量力或者是編列金額大到底什麼是大什麼是小量力什麼叫量力\n韓國瑜\n中和以上\n您可能覺得扣這個一億不多那這個要來懲罰我們懲罰什麼我也不知道那但我想您應該不會這樣做可是呢我本期在這裡真的要告訴您我想桃園市不但過去在才化法以及這個補助上面對我們不盡公平我們都還沒有爭取到一個公平的待遇那結果你又反過來再扣我們錢\n我覺得這個是我們完全沒辦法接受的 何況我們在解決中央的問題再者我再舉另外一個例子 讓你知道我們的財政有多辛苦我們囤房稅2.0今年是7月上路 台灣市政府也很配合 中央政策我們都配合所以我們把單一自住稅率跟一年內代銷的房屋稅我們都把它調降 但是囤房稅我們還是配合對不對還是配合做 可是我們這樣計算起來我們的稅損9000多萬\n也就是說你又扣我一億 囤房稅我配合中央政策我又少九千多萬 一來一往兩億的預算所以我想 院長我有一個請求我想我們這個財化法的修正在9月4號財政部已經邀集了我們各地方政府來徵集意見雖然之前也有做那這次聽說也獲得了初步分配指標的一個共識\n我們希望行政院能不能儘速這院長上個會期我也提過那我希望說我們儘速提出我們的版本那麼同時對於今天我們所討論的非法定社會福利的支出去扣減補助款的這個部分我希望院長能不能承諾說我們在三個月之內我們提出這個檢討還有能不能提出一些具體的標準不要再模擬兩可量力啦大啦小啦我覺得我們有沒有一個比較具體的三個月之內能不能把它做一個檢討\n院長 我要提一下你知道嗎 一個縣市政府的財政 如你們所說的 不管短促 惡化 它的原因絕對不是單一的\n財化法的部分請部長再\n談話法我們先我們再找時間再談但是這個部分您覺得可以嗎\n你說補助的部分補助我們一向都有中央地方一個補助的標準在執行不管是計劃型的或是一般的我是在這裡嚴正的表達您這樣子就是扣除這個疑義我們不能接受那還有囤房稅這個9千萬對桃園來說也很辛苦所以我們希望是不是日後我們有這個計劃型的補助行政院能夠多支持一下可以嗎\n市長在\n我會特別注意,謝謝委員提醒\n桃園的停跳電高達178次27萬戶左右受到很大的影響怨聲載道\n那我相信這個民院身為一個行政院長是應該要去重視跟解決的那上個會期的時候我有要求經濟部其實要成立外部的這個停跳電事故調查委員會那當時也承諾會成立那不曉得四個月過去的現在這個委員會成立了嗎\n所以有還是沒有?\n目前有還是沒有?我們有在調查目前有成立還是沒有成立?我們有成立一個機制好那你不用說你可以先下去因為今天顯然為你後面經濟部所有的事情大概都是這種回答因為他沒有辦法了解然後也沒有辦法代表這個經濟部的部長所以今天我想經濟部的事情我還是先請教院長如果沒辦法回答的那我們就是這個會後給我一個資料好不好?是的 謝謝\n我希望這個外部停跳電事故調查委員會之前有說要成立起來我們就積極把它成立起來因為這個調查事故的原因很重要而且會有公信力我想這個對大家都好臺電的董事長曾文森說了一句八月的時候他說桃園以北五百萬瓦以上的大型數據中心一律不合工這句話其實真的引起軒然大波請問一下院長原因是什麼\n第一個我們覺得包括國外的知名的廠商大廠要來台灣設立任何的資訊中心研發中心設廠我們都歡迎但也要顧慮到我們整個的平均的分配包括土地的取得包括能源的使用等等跟人力的配置那這個我希望在整個國家的整體的策略要求底下我們來做這樣的規劃能夠跟國外的大廠取得協議\n臺電跟經濟部講的缺電的問題 電網的問題您就是沒有提到那我想我來提一下 當時除了說桃園以北不合工之外同時還講一個 這也是經濟部說的他說我們還是鼓勵科技業 但是請你優先到支持設立電廠的縣市\n請你到支持設立電廠的縣市\n全台發電將近五分之一我們現在桃園正在建三階天然氣接收站剛剛提到有13座燃氣機組也就是說我們其實是一個燃氣發電的重點城市\n毛孟靜議員\n部長我想我沒有要給經濟部回答因為他也答不出個所以然來但我今天要跟院長講如果台電經濟部在這種說法上自行矛盾關我桃園我是不能接受的我們這麼多的發電在桃園桃園人犧牲還要有這些空屋\n首先他不是限制令他是在設廠的過程當中就我們的能源提供\n講到這個電網阿\n執政8年了今年第9年了現在還在講這個電網有問題那之前怎麼都不修呢對不對所以我想院長我還是今天真的就是覺得中央對桃園真的不公平我們希望在這個部分可以重新檢討能夠來支持桃園那不要把桃園列進去好不好\n我們在總統指示下5600億的電網韌性的加強10年的工程我們會在2028年盡量把它完成包括經濟部包括台電都對這些工程極力的合作我們希望每一個部門的部會跟著院長提醒有漂亮的數字但數字要落實才是成果\n當然這個是\n有其需要但是尊重地方政府所以這次你會尊重張善政市長的決定是嗎這個彭博長今天有一些新的說明今天才發生我請教說明當然我們希望在橫平的狀況底下能夠有新的說法大家再重新來考慮也是可以\n所以經濟部跟環境部你們會要桃園市政府這個就是在這個撤銷的這個部分你們一樣會這一次再撤銷嗎\n我們給彭部長今天他有一個新的標準跟說法出來大家簡短報告委員我們中午的時候開了一個記者會因為我們全台灣體檢了SRF的廠商那桃園市也有一些SRF的製造商那也有使用的那我們目前用的標準是全世界最嚴格的標準有一個國家有用SRF我們就用他最嚴格的標準所以重金屬等等所以我們已經訂出標準了那我們也同時也告知桃園市政府了\n部長您是說用最嚴格的標準去監督他的意思是不是對 沒錯 沒錯所以現在的意思是說行政院今天問院長所以環境部跟經濟部你們主張要求桃園市政府要接受這三家SRF的入院是嗎\n我們希望能夠解決垃圾問題\n用最新最好的方法來解決各地的認識問題\n阿凡請交通部長備詢\n在院會當中桃園市的代表列席代表跟我的對話是最多的陳部長今天有好一點嗎那天在委員會緊張嘛對不對今天好 好多了\n我坐火車我搭火車\n我希望你能夠排時間來桃園桃園有太多的重大建設需要部長能夠盡快去瞭解尤其是鐵路地下化部長有瞭解到嗎\n這個不只是桃園的重大交通建設 同時也是全國非常 這我們國家的重大交通建設不過呢 四個月前在這裡 其實我總諮詢時候 當時就有提到了工程嚴重延宕 非常嚴重延宕那現在不管是土建標還是基電標 目前都還有16個標是沒有標出去的四個月的時間 一個一個標案都沒有出去 其實這是很嚴重的\n公程進度只要慢就是在凌遲我們桃園市的市民而且增加這個交通黑暗期我想您待過台中您也知道其實我們任何重大交通建設都是要快一點那這四個月當中我們這個工程的進度原本應該是要從35.33%要能夠提高到37.5%要能夠這個進度是要能夠有這個增加2.1%可是我們沒有所以呢適同我們的落後的進度從4%擴大到5%所以還是不斷的在落後\n金費不足的部分有沒有編入明年度的預算\n這個牽扯到桃園市甚至跟新北市都有相關那中央跟地方在這種財務分配的比例下是有一定的標準的院長那我們講到這個財務分配比例我想之前桃園市跟中央的分配是我們25%中央75%但是我必須要講這1048億的基礎之下我們同意這樣做因為我們橫著過我們的財政狀況那現在你又要多增加將近800億桃園市現在的財政雪上加霜\n那你如果還要再我們去負擔這25%我想我們是不能接受的所以我也希望跟院長跟部長來溝通跟請命說這769億我們希望能夠由中央全數來支持不要再讓桃園有這麼大的負擔了可以嗎\n報告委員我們增加的經費除了當然是物價指數的問題物價調高了不少那其實還有一些部分是因為這個憑證的難演你應該也都很清楚那個部分就增加了100多億然後還有一些是這個文資的一些挖掘的發掘的部分確實也造成了一些延宕\n花蓮0 台南12.5 嘉宜14\n所以我希望之前的25%我們是談好的\n麻煩請衛福部請備詢\n委員長 我想我就先提 我想去年 112年5月1號起我們新冠肺炎就從第5類的法定傳染病調整為第4類那指揮中心在這個時候也解散當時的發言人也是現在機關署的副署長羅一鈞也說這個新冠肺炎把這個等級調整跟流感相當中重症或併發症才需通報同時也有很多的醫學專家也都認定新冠肺炎這個流感化您同意嗎\n新冠再度比照流感病發症 改名為新冠病發重症 放寬通報時效維福部的做法是否象徵新冠走向流感化或比照流感來辦理\n報告委員\n我想就在大家都以為現在疫情已經過去或者穩定的這個新冠肺炎事實上它其實是悄悄的捲土重來中而且進入到第六波的一個大流行在6月底7月初也就是我們說的27週28週甚至達到一個高峰單週單週的急診就診人數高達12萬8千多人那這個單週最高新增了987例的重症同時還有104例的死亡\n是的\n好 那我們再來看根據行政院110年合定的新興傳染病劑流感大流行的這個計畫裡面這個依據計畫中防疫物資儲備跟管理的指標我們對於流感的這個抗病毒藥物\n是的首先在這邊還是謝謝委員過去對防疫工作長多年來的一個關心跟幫忙那有關你剛剛您提的問題\n9月11日我們看到我們自己發布的新聞\n採購了80萬份的新冠抗病毒藥物其中30萬瑞德西韋可是15萬年底才要到貨另外15萬是開口合約50萬的貝拉維40萬人份年底才要到貨另外2萬的莫納皮拉維也是開口合約\n所以我們現在看到事實上我們的庫存到目前為止大概83萬份左右那佔總人口數大概3.5個百分點而已如果我們一樣是流感化其實這樣的備要我覺得打了一個大大的問號那我們再來看\n因為現在馬上10月份了要進入秋冬了疫情會不會捲土再來會不會突然間有很大的一個變化那疫情會不會突然高漲我們不知道可是我們就是要做好準備嘛何況我們有以前的這個防疫的一個經驗所以呢我覺得我們再來看一個數字這個數字是疾管署統計的今年4月我們新冠累積的這個重症的這個個案數高達9900例\n這個數字是我們同期流感病發症700餘例的14倍同時新冠死亡大概1000例左右也是流感死亡個案100例的11倍所以我覺得如果我們都把它看成流感化那何以我們防疫的藥物儲備差那麼多我們對待流感跟對待新冠我們的SOP好像也差非常多\n我首先謝謝委員透過這麼重要的時間提醒國人不要釣魚輕心這個是非常感激新冠跟流感我們現在同步會從10月1號開始第一階段針對65歲以上的國人預施打\n那我請教一下那我們到底明年有沒有編預算要購買快篩跟這個新冠的抗病毒藥品\n有沒有編這個預算我現在請教一下有沒有編這個預算那現在有沒有編這個預算明年要買這個藥\n所以明年沒有編列預算對嗎\n明年度就暫時不用編列但是沒有編列但是我覺得這還是值得我們擔憂院長我們今天在這邊不是要用指責或責怪什麼做了什麼沒有做我覺得這件事非常的重要我們必須要去看待它我們要知道其實現在如果我們備藥不足用藥又有受限因為目前用藥是有限制備藥不足用藥又有受限未來中重症或者死亡率它就有可能會提高\n所以這一點本席在這邊為什麼今天這麼多議題這一題非常重要馬上秋冬就要開始了我們希望把備要用足然後呢我們未來這個用要能夠放寬可以嗎\n是 謝謝委員再次謝謝透過這樣的機會來提醒國人衛福部一定要記取過去的例子跟經驗在往後的時間內不要重複過去讓國人感到不安的所以不管是疫苗備藥或是口罩這個部分能夠提前準備的我會要求衛福部要確實的到位好 院長我想這個用藥顯然現在備量不足我們希望趕快把它補起來好不好我會備齊 會準備備齊\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.506 --> 00:17.169\n謝謝主席我們有請卓榮泰院長\n\n00:30.768 --> 00:46.432\n萬美玲好好院長好我想院長其實今天要跟您討論的一些議題在上個會期時期也跟您討論過但是我們希望今天能有一些進度那在上個會期本期有跟您質詢過桃園市這個近年來的人口年增率高達1.32%\n\n00:48.353 --> 00:48.473\n主席\n\n01:06.644 --> 01:35.475\n只有438.18億那再度纏連纏連什麼就是六都最低所以今天我才把這問題重新再來跟院長討論一次那你看看我們桃園是創稅名列前茅但是我們的補助款全國倒數第三扣掉離島我覺得這個對我們桃園已經是非常不公平了那當然我覺得等一下我們可以再來討論這個才化法的問題但是在現在我們覺得對桃園這麼不公平的補助之下\n\n01:36.055 --> 01:36.315\n所以我想院長：\n\n01:52.093 --> 02:15.222\n其實我們這一次您用這個縣市執行非法訂設服支出其實我們真的要替桃園叫屈因為我們其實是在執行其實中央有很多的政策也許中央做得不完善或者中央做不到但是地方政府來協助來做但是我們不了解為什麼這樣子還要遭到扣除我們的補助款這是一個我想我們不能接受同時我想其實各縣市\n\n02:15.842 --> 02:16.563\n以上我講的院長認同嗎?\n\n02:33.834 --> 02:37.938\n我們來談看看桃園市有沒有違反或是不是遵守的那我想院長我想請教您一下您同不同意少子化是國安問題\n\n02:58.218 --> 03:17.555\n當然同意,而且非常的嚴重那既然是國安問題,就是中央跟地方必須要一起來解決的但我們看這幾年,其實中央做的成果並不好我不是說中央沒有做,而是其實這個成果我們可以看得到從數字上看起來,其實人口也呈現負成長那目前這個生不如死的狀況,我想院長有掌握著嗎?\n\n03:18.115 --> 03:47.361\n那所以你看我們地方政府也為了要協助中央或者是我們自己的縣市去解決那我們包括這個提高生育率的這個協助國安解決問題的策略其實非常多我想我唸給你聽有幾個我們桃園市真的做得很好的地方包括我們這個五歲幼兒教育的助學金好運專車或者動然補助以及產後憂鬱心理諮商以及我們國中小營養午餐免費等等這以上哪一項不是在因應少子化我們來解決國安問題提出來的一些福利\n\n03:48.001 --> 04:07.780\n那我不了解就是今天為什麼我們去補中央的不足我們去做一件對我們少子化有幫助的事情那我們對這個孩子下一代或者是對我們的這個產婦孕婦提高生育率有很多的誘因那結果呢我們幫忙解決問題但我們卻要受到中央這樣的懲罰還要扣我們這個補助稅款這怎麼對呢這怎麼會公平呢\n\n04:08.544 --> 04:08.944\n我請部長能夠說明一下謝謝\n\n04:22.714 --> 04:25.556\n關於中央統籌分配稅款的部分\n\n04:44.753 --> 04:47.615\n我們來談有沒有違反規定或相關法條或標準剛剛我們桃園市有在做動軟補助\n\n05:09.731 --> 05:10.753\n可見這是一個好的政策這是第一個\n\n05:27.532 --> 05:27.712\n主席\n\n05:50.305 --> 06:14.764\n有沒有超過現行中央法規的標準有沒有超過中央所定的一致性標準以及第三項地方自行開辦社會福利措施且編列金額大院長大家有瞭解嗎這三項我們再來看以上這三項我覺得你們一定會同意這都是原則性的規範它沒有一個特定的項目也沒有一個認定的標準是都沒有的還是院長有\n\n06:17.403 --> 06:39.254\n但是各項補助要量力而為人民會希望中央地方政府多給他一些生活上的照顧我想你同意這是一個原則性的規範量力或者是編列金額大到底什麼是大什麼是小量力什麼叫量力\n\n06:40.234 --> 06:40.254\n韓國瑜\n\n07:01.323 --> 07:01.683\n中和以上\n\n07:18.354 --> 07:38.566\n您可能覺得扣這個一億不多那這個要來懲罰我們懲罰什麼我也不知道那但我想您應該不會這樣做可是呢我本期在這裡真的要告訴您我想桃園市不但過去在才化法以及這個補助上面對我們不盡公平我們都還沒有爭取到一個公平的待遇那結果你又反過來再扣我們錢\n\n07:39.266 --> 08:04.656\n我覺得這個是我們完全沒辦法接受的何況我們在解決中央的問題再者我再舉另外一個例子讓你知道我們的財政有多辛苦我們囤房稅2.0今年是7月上路台灣市政府也很配合中央政策我們都配合所以我們把單一自住稅率跟一年內代銷的房屋稅我們都把它調降但是囤房稅我們還是配合對不對還是配合做可是我們這樣計算起來我們的稅損9000多萬\n\n08:06.377 --> 08:26.287\n也就是說你又扣我一億囤房稅我配合中央政策我又少九千多萬一來一往兩億的預算所以我想院長我有一個請求我想我們這個財化法的修正在9月4號財政部已經邀集了我們各地方政府來徵集意見雖然之前也有做那這次聽說也獲得了初步分配指標的一個共識\n\n08:27.888 --> 08:56.290\n我們希望行政院能不能儘速這院長上個會期我也提過那我希望說我們儘速提出我們的版本那麼同時對於今天我們所討論的非法定社會福利的支出去扣減補助款的這個部分我希望院長能不能承諾說我們在三個月之內我們提出這個檢討還有能不能提出一些具體的標準不要再模擬兩可量力啦大啦小啦我覺得我們有沒有一個比較具體的三個月之內能不能把它做一個檢討\n\n08:56.830 --> 09:02.613\n院長我要提一下你知道嗎一個縣市政府的財政如你們所說的不管短促惡化它的原因絕對不是單一的\n\n09:20.160 --> 09:20.560\n財化法的部分請部長再\n\n09:49.485 --> 09:53.458\n談話法我們先我們再找時間再談但是這個部分您覺得可以嗎\n\n09:55.202 --> 10:19.805\n你說補助的部分補助我們一向都有中央地方一個補助的標準在執行不管是計劃型的或是一般的我是在這裡嚴正的表達您這樣子就是扣除這個疑義我們不能接受那還有囤房稅這個9千萬對桃園來說也很辛苦所以我們希望是不是日後我們有這個計劃型的補助行政院能夠多支持一下可以嗎\n\n10:20.706 --> 10:20.826\n市長在\n\n10:44.381 --> 10:45.082\n我會特別注意,謝謝委員提醒\n\n11:00.967 --> 11:02.788\n桃園的停跳電高達178次27萬戶左右受到很大的影響怨聲載道\n\n11:23.479 --> 11:38.072\n那我相信這個民院身為一個行政院長是應該要去重視跟解決的那上個會期的時候我有要求經濟部其實要成立外部的這個停跳電事故調查委員會那當時也承諾會成立那不曉得四個月過去的現在這個委員會成立了嗎\n\n11:38.902 --> 11:39.262\n所以有還是沒有?\n\n12:01.172 --> 12:24.057\n目前有還是沒有?我們有在調查目前有成立還是沒有成立?我們有成立一個機制好那你不用說你可以先下去因為今天顯然為你後面經濟部所有的事情大概都是這種回答因為他沒有辦法了解然後也沒有辦法代表這個經濟部的部長所以今天我想經濟部的事情我還是先請教院長如果沒辦法回答的那我們就是這個會後給我一個資料好不好?是的謝謝\n\n12:25.177 --> 12:52.185\n我希望這個外部停跳電事故調查委員會之前有說要成立起來我們就積極把它成立起來因為這個調查事故的原因很重要而且會有公信力我想這個對大家都好臺電的董事長曾文森說了一句八月的時候他說桃園以北五百萬瓦以上的大型數據中心一律不合工這句話其實真的引起軒然大波請問一下院長原因是什麼\n\n12:53.168 --> 13:18.743\n第一個我們覺得包括國外的知名的廠商大廠要來台灣設立任何的資訊中心研發中心設廠我們都歡迎但也要顧慮到我們整個的平均的分配包括土地的取得包括能源的使用等等跟人力的配置那這個我希望在整個國家的整體的策略要求底下我們來做這樣的規劃能夠跟國外的大廠取得協議\n\n13:20.043 --> 13:37.009\n臺電跟經濟部講的缺電的問題電網的問題您就是沒有提到那我想我來提一下當時除了說桃園以北不合工之外同時還講一個這也是經濟部說的他說我們還是鼓勵科技業但是請你優先到支持設立電廠的縣市\n\n13:38.850 --> 13:40.351\n請你到支持設立電廠的縣市\n\n14:00.239 --> 14:16.271\n全台發電將近五分之一我們現在桃園正在建三階天然氣接收站剛剛提到有13座燃氣機組也就是說我們其實是一個燃氣發電的重點城市\n\n14:17.432 --> 14:17.552\n毛孟靜議員\n\n14:37.972 --> 14:55.326\n部長我想我沒有要給經濟部回答因為他也答不出個所以然來但我今天要跟院長講如果台電經濟部在這種說法上自行矛盾關我桃園我是不能接受的我們這麼多的發電在桃園桃園人犧牲還要有這些空屋\n\n14:56.067 --> 14:58.728\n首先他不是限制令他是在設廠的過程當中就我們的能源提供\n\n15:17.256 --> 15:17.456\n講到這個電網阿\n\n15:43.514 --> 16:01.412\n執政8年了今年第9年了現在還在講這個電網有問題那之前怎麼都不修呢對不對所以我想院長我還是今天真的就是覺得中央對桃園真的不公平我們希望在這個部分可以重新檢討能夠來支持桃園那不要把桃園列進去好不好\n\n16:01.889 --> 16:17.630\n我們在總統指示下5600億的電網韌性的加強10年的工程我們會在2028年盡量把它完成包括經濟部包括台電都對這些工程極力的合作我們希望每一個部門的部會跟著院長提醒有漂亮的數字但數字要落實才是成果\n\n16:18.010 --> 16:18.150\n當然這個是\n\n16:46.946 --> 17:05.804\n有其需要但是尊重地方政府所以這次你會尊重張善政市長的決定是嗎這個彭博長今天有一些新的說明今天才發生我請教說明當然我們希望在橫平的狀況底下能夠有新的說法大家再重新來考慮也是可以\n\n17:06.164 --> 17:08.787\n所以經濟部跟環境部你們會要桃園市政府這個就是在這個撤銷的這個部分你們一樣會這一次再撤銷嗎\n\n17:20.362 --> 17:46.672\n我們給彭部長今天他有一個新的標準跟說法出來大家簡短報告委員我們中午的時候開了一個記者會因為我們全台灣體檢了SRF的廠商那桃園市也有一些SRF的製造商那也有使用的那我們目前用的標準是全世界最嚴格的標準有一個國家有用SRF我們就用他最嚴格的標準所以重金屬等等所以我們已經訂出標準了那我們也同時也告知桃園市政府了\n\n17:47.152 --> 18:02.258\n部長您是說用最嚴格的標準去監督他的意思是不是對沒錯沒錯所以現在的意思是說行政院今天問院長所以環境部跟經濟部你們主張要求桃園市政府要接受這三家SRF的入院是嗎\n\n18:03.206 --> 18:04.167\n我們希望能夠解決垃圾問題\n\n18:17.677 --> 18:20.599\n用最新最好的方法來解決各地的認識問題\n\n18:35.231 --> 18:35.732\n阿凡請交通部長備詢\n\n18:56.459 --> 19:00.662\n在院會當中桃園市的代表列席代表跟我的對話是最多的陳部長今天有好一點嗎那天在委員會緊張嘛對不對今天好好多了\n\n19:22.329 --> 19:22.589\n我坐火車我搭火車\n\n19:41.844 --> 19:47.966\n我希望你能夠排時間來桃園桃園有太多的重大建設需要部長能夠盡快去瞭解尤其是鐵路地下化部長有瞭解到嗎\n\n20:05.369 --> 20:29.085\n這個不只是桃園的重大交通建設同時也是全國非常這我們國家的重大交通建設不過呢四個月前在這裡其實我總諮詢時候當時就有提到了工程嚴重延宕非常嚴重延宕那現在不管是土建標還是基電標目前都還有16個標是沒有標出去的四個月的時間一個一個標案都沒有出去其實這是很嚴重的\n\n20:31.026 --> 20:55.923\n公程進度只要慢就是在凌遲我們桃園市的市民而且增加這個交通黑暗期我想您待過台中您也知道其實我們任何重大交通建設都是要快一點那這四個月當中我們這個工程的進度原本應該是要從35.33%要能夠提高到37.5%要能夠這個進度是要能夠有這個增加2.1%可是我們沒有所以呢適同我們的落後的進度從4%擴大到5%所以還是不斷的在落後\n\n21:00.065 --> 21:00.826\n金費不足的部分有沒有編入明年度的預算\n\n21:26.159 --> 21:45.627\n這個牽扯到桃園市甚至跟新北市都有相關那中央跟地方在這種財務分配的比例下是有一定的標準的院長那我們講到這個財務分配比例我想之前桃園市跟中央的分配是我們25%中央75%但是我必須要講這1048億的基礎之下我們同意這樣做因為我們橫著過我們的財政狀況那現在你又要多增加將近800億桃園市現在的財政雪上加霜\n\n21:55.131 --> 22:10.239\n那你如果還要再我們去負擔這25%我想我們是不能接受的所以我也希望跟院長跟部長來溝通跟請命說這769億我們希望能夠由中央全數來支持不要再讓桃園有這麼大的負擔了可以嗎\n\n22:12.480 --> 22:30.868\n報告委員我們增加的經費除了當然是物價指數的問題物價調高了不少那其實還有一些部分是因為這個憑證的難演你應該也都很清楚那個部分就增加了100多億然後還有一些是這個文資的一些挖掘的發掘的部分確實也造成了一些延宕\n\n22:31.328 --> 22:31.708\n花蓮0台南12.5嘉宜14\n\n22:52.648 --> 22:54.190\n所以我希望之前的25%我們是談好的\n\n23:11.688 --> 23:11.988\n麻煩請衛福部請備詢\n\n23:35.443 --> 24:04.663\n委員長我想我就先提我想去年112年5月1號起我們新冠肺炎就從第5類的法定傳染病調整為第4類那指揮中心在這個時候也解散當時的發言人也是現在機關署的副署長羅一鈞也說這個新冠肺炎把這個等級調整跟流感相當中重症或併發症才需通報同時也有很多的醫學專家也都認定新冠肺炎這個流感化您同意嗎\n\n24:05.463 --> 24:14.869\n新冠再度比照流感病發症改名為新冠病發重症放寬通報時效維福部的做法是否象徵新冠走向流感化或比照流感來辦理\n\n24:32.636 --> 24:32.816\n報告委員\n\n24:49.622 --> 25:16.858\n我想就在大家都以為現在疫情已經過去或者穩定的這個新冠肺炎事實上它其實是悄悄的捲土重來中而且進入到第六波的一個大流行在6月底7月初也就是我們說的27週28週甚至達到一個高峰單週單週的急診就診人數高達12萬8千多人那這個單週最高新增了987例的重症同時還有104例的死亡\n\n25:17.678 --> 25:17.818\n是的\n\n25:37.745 --> 25:53.019\n好那我們再來看根據行政院110年合定的新興傳染病劑流感大流行的這個計畫裡面這個依據計畫中防疫物資儲備跟管理的指標我們對於流感的這個抗病毒藥物\n\n25:53.660 --> 25:57.002\n是的首先在這邊還是謝謝委員過去對防疫工作長多年來的一個關心跟幫忙那有關你剛剛您提的問題\n\n26:21.300 --> 26:22.740\n9月11日我們看到我們自己發布的新聞\n\n26:38.466 --> 26:46.434\n採購了80萬份的新冠抗病毒藥物其中30萬瑞德西韋可是15萬年底才要到貨另外15萬是開口合約50萬的貝拉維40萬人份年底才要到貨另外2萬的莫納皮拉維也是開口合約\n\n26:58.766 --> 27:12.373\n所以我們現在看到事實上我們的庫存到目前為止大概83萬份左右那佔總人口數大概3.5個百分點而已如果我們一樣是流感化其實這樣的備要我覺得打了一個大大的問號那我們再來看\n\n27:14.594 --> 27:37.239\n因為現在馬上10月份了要進入秋冬了疫情會不會捲土再來會不會突然間有很大的一個變化那疫情會不會突然高漲我們不知道可是我們就是要做好準備嘛何況我們有以前的這個防疫的一個經驗所以呢我覺得我們再來看一個數字這個數字是疾管署統計的今年4月我們新冠累積的這個重症的這個個案數高達9900例\n\n27:40.221 --> 28:03.180\n這個數字是我們同期流感病發症700餘例的14倍同時新冠死亡大概1000例左右也是流感死亡個案100例的11倍所以我覺得如果我們都把它看成流感化那何以我們防疫的藥物儲備差那麼多我們對待流感跟對待新冠我們的SOP好像也差非常多\n\n28:04.140 --> 28:09.605\n我首先謝謝委員透過這麼重要的時間提醒國人不要釣魚輕心這個是非常感激新冠跟流感我們現在同步會從10月1號開始第一階段針對65歲以上的國人預施打\n\n28:32.924 --> 28:39.189\n那我請教一下那我們到底明年有沒有編預算要購買快篩跟這個新冠的抗病毒藥品\n\n28:55.063 --> 28:56.585\n有沒有編這個預算我現在請教一下有沒有編這個預算那現在有沒有編這個預算明年要買這個藥\n\n29:10.467 --> 29:11.948\n所以明年沒有編列預算對嗎\n\n29:30.584 --> 29:57.791\n明年度就暫時不用編列但是沒有編列但是我覺得這還是值得我們擔憂院長我們今天在這邊不是要用指責或責怪什麼做了什麼沒有做我覺得這件事非常的重要我們必須要去看待它我們要知道其實現在如果我們備藥不足用藥又有受限因為目前用藥是有限制備藥不足用藥又有受限未來中重症或者死亡率它就有可能會提高\n\n29:58.371 --> 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其實這是很嚴重的"},{"start":1231.026,"end":1255.923,"text":"公程進度只要慢就是在凌遲我們桃園市的市民而且增加這個交通黑暗期我想您待過台中您也知道其實我們任何重大交通建設都是要快一點那這四個月當中我們這個工程的進度原本應該是要從35.33%要能夠提高到37.5%要能夠這個進度是要能夠有這個增加2.1%可是我們沒有所以呢適同我們的落後的進度從4%擴大到5%所以還是不斷的在落後"},{"start":1260.065,"end":1260.826,"text":"金費不足的部分有沒有編入明年度的預算"},{"start":1286.159,"end":1305.627,"text":"這個牽扯到桃園市甚至跟新北市都有相關那中央跟地方在這種財務分配的比例下是有一定的標準的院長那我們講到這個財務分配比例我想之前桃園市跟中央的分配是我們25%中央75%但是我必須要講這1048億的基礎之下我們同意這樣做因為我們橫著過我們的財政狀況那現在你又要多增加將近800億桃園市現在的財政雪上加霜"},{"start":1315.131,"end":1330.239,"text":"那你如果還要再我們去負擔這25%我想我們是不能接受的所以我也希望跟院長跟部長來溝通跟請命說這769億我們希望能夠由中央全數來支持不要再讓桃園有這麼大的負擔了可以嗎"},{"start":1332.48,"end":1350.868,"text":"報告委員我們增加的經費除了當然是物價指數的問題物價調高了不少那其實還有一些部分是因為這個憑證的難演你應該也都很清楚那個部分就增加了100多億然後還有一些是這個文資的一些挖掘的發掘的部分確實也造成了一些延宕"},{"start":1351.328,"end":1351.708,"text":"花蓮0 台南12.5 嘉宜14"},{"start":1372.648,"end":1374.19,"text":"所以我希望之前的25%我們是談好的"},{"start":1391.688,"end":1391.988,"text":"麻煩請衛福部請備詢"},{"start":1415.443,"end":1444.663,"text":"委員長 我想我就先提 我想去年 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那我們再來看根據行政院110年合定的新興傳染病劑流感大流行的這個計畫裡面這個依據計畫中防疫物資儲備跟管理的指標我們對於流感的這個抗病毒藥物"},{"start":1553.66,"end":1557.002,"text":"是的首先在這邊還是謝謝委員過去對防疫工作長多年來的一個關心跟幫忙那有關你剛剛您提的問題"},{"start":1581.3,"end":1582.74,"text":"9月11日我們看到我們自己發布的新聞"},{"start":1598.466,"end":1606.434,"text":"採購了80萬份的新冠抗病毒藥物其中30萬瑞德西韋可是15萬年底才要到貨另外15萬是開口合約50萬的貝拉維40萬人份年底才要到貨另外2萬的莫納皮拉維也是開口合約"},{"start":1618.766,"end":1632.373,"text":"所以我們現在看到事實上我們的庫存到目前為止大概83萬份左右那佔總人口數大概3.5個百分點而已如果我們一樣是流感化其實這樣的備要我覺得打了一個大大的問號那我們再來看"},{"start":1634.594,"end":1657.239,"text":"因為現在馬上10月份了要進入秋冬了疫情會不會捲土再來會不會突然間有很大的一個變化那疫情會不會突然高漲我們不知道可是我們就是要做好準備嘛何況我們有以前的這個防疫的一個經驗所以呢我覺得我們再來看一個數字這個數字是疾管署統計的今年4月我們新冠累積的這個重症的這個個案數高達9900例"},{"start":1660.221,"end":1683.18,"text":"這個數字是我們同期流感病發症700餘例的14倍同時新冠死亡大概1000例左右也是流感死亡個案100例的11倍所以我覺得如果我們都把它看成流感化那何以我們防疫的藥物儲備差那麼多我們對待流感跟對待新冠我們的SOP好像也差非常多"},{"start":1684.14,"end":1689.605,"text":"我首先謝謝委員透過這麼重要的時間提醒國人不要釣魚輕心這個是非常感激新冠跟流感我們現在同步會從10月1號開始第一階段針對65歲以上的國人預施打"},{"start":1712.924,"end":1719.189,"text":"那我請教一下那我們到底明年有沒有編預算要購買快篩跟這個新冠的抗病毒藥品"},{"start":1735.063,"end":1736.585,"text":"有沒有編這個預算我現在請教一下有沒有編這個預算那現在有沒有編這個預算明年要買這個藥"},{"start":1750.467,"end":1751.948,"text":"所以明年沒有編列預算對嗎"},{"start":1770.584,"end":1797.791,"text":"明年度就暫時不用編列但是沒有編列但是我覺得這還是值得我們擔憂院長我們今天在這邊不是要用指責或責怪什麼做了什麼沒有做我覺得這件事非常的重要我們必須要去看待它我們要知道其實現在如果我們備藥不足用藥又有受限因為目前用藥是有限制備藥不足用藥又有受限未來中重症或者死亡率它就有可能會提高"},{"start":1798.371,"end":1808.691,"text":"所以這一點本席在這邊為什麼今天這麼多議題這一題非常重要馬上秋冬就要開始了我們希望把備要用足然後呢我們未來這個用要能夠放寬可以嗎"},{"start":1809.403,"end":1834.097,"text":"是 謝謝委員再次謝謝透過這樣的機會來提醒國人衛福部一定要記取過去的例子跟經驗在往後的時間內不要重複過去讓國人感到不安的所以不管是疫苗備藥或是口罩這個部分能夠提前準備的我會要求衛福部要確實的到位好 院長我想這個用藥顯然現在備量不足我們希望趕快把它補起來好不好我會備齊 會準備備齊"}]}}},"meet":{"sessionPeriod":2,"sessionTimes":2,"tmpMeeting":null,"term":11,"id":"院會-11-2-2","title":"第11屆第2會期第2次會議","type":"院會"},"會議時間":"2024-09-27T09:00:00+08:00","委員發言時間":"14:30:20 - 15:00:57","會議名稱":"第11屆第2會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢）","id":154922,"gazette":{"lineno":2,"blocks":[["萬委員美玲：（14時30分）謝謝主席，有請卓榮泰院長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：萬委員好。"],["萬委員美玲：院長好。院長，今天要跟您討論的一些議題其實在上個會期也跟你討論過，但是我們希望今天能有一些進度。在上個會期本席有跟您質詢過，桃園市近年來的人口年增率高達1.32%，可以說是六都最高，也是全臺第一，這個數字沒有變，但是這近五年來，中央統籌分配稅款跟一般性補助款分配給六都的金額，桃園市真的是最低的哦！我們看到在114年度的預算編列當中，統籌稅款再加上一般性的補助款只有438.18億，再度蟬聯六都最低。所以今天我才把這個問題重新再來跟院長討論一次。你看看我們桃園創稅名列前茅，但是我們的補助款是全國倒數第三，扣掉離島，我覺得這對我們桃園是非常不公平的，當然等一下我們可以再來討論財劃法的問題；但是現在我們覺得在對桃園這麼不公平的補助之下，中央還以縣市執行非法定社福支出為理由扣減桃園市1億的補助款，這1億真的非常地多，而且這個數字是全國扣最多的數字。所以我想，院長，這一次您用縣市執行非法定社福支出，其實我們真的要替桃園叫屈，因為地方其實是在執行中央很多的政策，也許中央做得不完善或者中央做不到，地方政府協助來做，但是我們不瞭解為什麼這樣還要遭到扣除補助款？我想我們不能接受啦！同時，我想各縣市都一樣，不管人口結構需求的差異或是政策目標不同，但是根據地方制度法或是財劃法，有關地方政府的社會福利業務可以自行根據因地制宜的差異來把它提出來，以上我講的，院長認同嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：身為一個最年輕的都市，的確有很多地方值得中央跟地方再多做一些合作，但這個合作的過程也要謹守地方的自治跟財政的紀律……"],["萬委員美玲：好，懂。"],["卓院長榮泰：我認為如果有一些違誤的部分，應該有它的法源依據。"],["萬委員美玲：我們來談，看看桃園市有沒有違反或是不是有遵守。院長，我想請教您一下，您同不同意少子化是國安問題？"],["卓院長榮泰：當然同意，而且也非常地嚴重。"],["萬委員美玲：當然同意，好，既然是國安問題，就是中央跟地方必須要一起來解決的，但我們看這幾年其實中央做的成果並不好，我不是說中央沒有做，而是這個成果我們可以看得到，從數字上看起來人口也呈現負成長，目前生不如死的狀況我想院長是有掌握的，所以你看我們地方政府也為了要協助中央，或者是我們自己的縣市要去解決，包括提高生育率協助解決國安問題的策略其實非常多，我唸給你聽，有幾個我們桃園市真的做得很好的地方，包括5歲幼兒教育的助學金、好孕專車、凍卵補助、產後憂鬱心理諮商，以及國中小營養午餐免費等等，這以上哪一項不是在因應少子化，為了解決國安問題提出來的一些福利？我不瞭解為什麼今天我們去補中央的不足，我們去做一件對少子化有幫助的事情，對孩子、下一代或是對於產婦、孕婦提高生育率有很多的誘因，那結果呢？我們幫忙解決問題，但我們卻要受到中央這樣的懲罰，還要扣我們的補助稅款，這怎麼對呢？這怎麼會公平呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：非常謝謝在歷屆市長的努力之下，有一些好的制度是一直延續的，比方說對生育的補助，桃園都站在很前面；至於是不是有哪些違誤的部分，是不是請部長說明一下？謝謝。"],["莊部長翠雲：是，跟委員報告，有關中央統籌分配稅款的部分，人口數是一個指標……"],["萬委員美玲：是不是能夠先提一下為什麼扣我們1億？"],["莊部長翠雲：扣1億的部分是主計總處這邊。"],["陳主計長淑姿：這個部分主要是因為它有短絀，然後又增加福利款，而我們在翌年的時候有照監察院給我們裁示，叫我們針對這個部分應該要有一個裁定的標準，所以我們這個部分設定了一個標準、統一的標準，統一大家……"],["萬委員美玲：好，院長，我們來談這個有沒有違反規定、相關的法條或者標準，我們來看喔，我舉剛剛提到我們桃園市有在做的凍卵補助，桃園市在去年推出凍卵的營養金補助之後，我們接著看到臺北市、新北市、新竹、苗栗、雲林都跟進，不打緊，連衛福部在今年年底也預計要推出醫療性的凍卵補助，可見這是一個好的政策，這是第一個。這麼好的政策各縣市跟進，然後衛福部也跟進，我們桃園市推出這樣的政策，其實中央應該要鼓勵才對，不可以拿這個當作扣除我們補助金的一個理由。","再來，主計長也在這裡，我們看到其實從101年度起，我們創設了一個對地方社會福利的預警制度，這有三點的考核衡量，就是有沒有超過現行中央法規的標準、有沒有超過中央所訂的一致性標準，以及第三項地方自行開辦社會福利措施且編列金額大。院長，你大概了解這三項嗎？我們再來看，以上這三項我覺得你們一定會同意嘛，這都是原則性的規範，它沒有一個特定的項目、也沒有一個認定的標準，是都沒有的！還是院長有？沒有嘛，對不對？好，那如果這是……"],["卓院長榮泰：但是各項補助要量力而為。"],["萬委員美玲：量力嘛，對嘛！所以今天我們就是沒有……"],["卓院長榮泰：人民會很希望中央、地方政府多給他一些生活上的照顧……"],["萬委員美玲：所以院長，顯然你……"],["卓院長榮泰：但如果政府的……"],["萬委員美玲：對不起，我把它講完啦！我想我們都同意這是一個原則性的規範，量力或者是編列金額大，那到底什麼是大、什麼是小？量力，什麼叫量力？我覺得這個規範其實並沒有明確。","再來，我再舉一個例子，我們現在社會福利支出依據政事別分為五類，分別是社會保險、社會救助、社會服務、國民就業以及醫療保健等等五項分得很清楚，可是我們看到你們糾正桃園市政府的理由之一叫做：把國中小營養午餐的預算列在教科文項下。其實這個是列在教科文項下，你也把它當社會福利的一項，我覺得這個真的是非常擴大解釋！","院長，綜合以上，我想您可能覺得扣這個1億不多，那這個要來懲罰我們，懲罰什麼我們也不知道，但我想你應該不會這樣做啦！可是本席在這裡真的要告訴您，我想桃園市不但過去在財劃法以及補助上面對我們不盡公平，我們都還沒有爭取到一個公平的待遇，結果你又反過來再扣我們錢，這個是我們完全沒辦法接受的啦！何況我們在解決中央的問題。","再者，我再舉另外一個例子，讓你知道我們的財政有多辛苦。囤房稅2.0今年是7月上路，桃園市政府也很配合啊，中央政策我們都配合，所以我們把單一自住稅率跟一年內待銷的房屋稅調降，但是囤房稅我們還是配合嘛，對不對？還是配合做！可是我們這樣計算起來，我們的稅損九千多萬，也就是說，你又扣我1億，囤房稅我配合中央政策又少九千多萬，一來一往2億的預算喔！","院長，我有一個請求，有關財劃法的修正，9月4號財政部已經邀集了各地方政府來徵集意見，雖然之前也有做，這次聽說也獲得了初步分配指標的共識，我們希望行政院能不能儘速，院長，上個會期我也提過，但我希望我們儘速提出我們的版本；同時對於今天我們所討論的非法定社會福利支出去扣減補助款的這個部分，我希望院長能不能承諾說，我們在三個月之內提出檢討，還有能不能提出一些具體的標準，不要再模棱兩可，例如量力、大、小等等，我們有沒有一個比較具體的，三個月之內能不能把它做一個檢討？"],["卓院長榮泰：首先，剛剛委員說懲罰性的扣減1億，原意不在懲罰，而是要提醒桃園市政府要健全自己的財務，因為上一年度的決算短絀了63.2億，那下一年度補助增加23.6億，顯然……"],["萬委員美玲：院長，我要提一下，你知道嘛，其實一個縣市政府的財政如你們所說的，不管短絀啦、惡化啦，它的原因絕對不是單一的，它也不是哪一個縣市首長造成……"],["卓院長榮泰：是，所以我們提醒……"],["萬委員美玲：它可能是一個延續性的，但你今天做這樣的懲罰而且用這樣的理由，我們是不能接受的，所以我們能不能夠去檢討一下，到底用這樣的理由去扣除這個補助款合不合理？三個月之內我們做一個檢討報告出來，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，我們是提醒說要健全財務，上個年度短絀了……"],["萬委員美玲：可以嗎？院長，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：下個年度又增加補助，那財務只能越來越惡化，我們不希望達到這個目的……"],["萬委員美玲：我知道你的用意，但是我們希望把它做一個檢討，三個月內我們做一個檢討，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：財劃法的部分，請部長再……"],["萬委員美玲：財劃法的部分我們再找時間談，但是這個部分您覺得可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：你說補助的部分？"],["萬委員美玲：對，補助款……"],["卓院長榮泰：補助我們一向都有，中央、地方有一個補助的標準在執行，不管是計畫型的或是一般的……"],["萬委員美玲：院長，我想這樣子啦！我在這裡跟您嚴正的表達，您這樣子扣除1億我們不能接受，還有囤房稅9,000萬對桃園來說也很辛苦，所以我們希望是不是日後我們有計畫型的補助？行政院能夠多支持一下可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，您提的囤房稅的部分，如果是稅損的話有規定……"],["萬委員美玲：不好意思，這題就先這樣，會後給我一個書面資料跟報告，好不好？"],["莊部長翠雲：好的。"],["萬委員美玲：再來，我一樣請教院長，但是這題我真的不知道該問誰，聽說今天郭部長請假，對不對？您准他假我們沒話講，但是今天在這個地方有很多跟經濟部相關的質詢……"],["卓院長榮泰：次長在。"],["萬委員美玲：部長應該是要在的啦！所以我們希望以後院長在准假的這個過程當中能夠更嚴謹一些，尤其這個會期在電價或者是在很多的議題上，經濟部都非常的重要，好，沒關係，我們來繼續……"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我會特別注意，謝謝委員提醒。"],["萬委員美玲：好，那我們繼續。除了我剛剛說的，對桃園的諸多不公平之外，我們要錢你沒給我們錢，我們要補助你沒有給我們補助，但你給我們很多什麼缺電、跳電等等，從今年4月開始起5個月之內，桃園的停、跳電高達178次，約27萬戶受到很大的影響，其實怨聲載道，我相信這個民怨，身為一個行政院長，應該要去重視跟解決。","上個會期的時候，我有要求經濟部要成立外部的停跳電事故調查委員會，當時也承諾會成立，4個月過去了，不曉得現在這個委員會成立了嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我在520之後，我記得6月我就去到桃園看看台電現場在維修的部分，我知道因為桃園人口增加很快，很多的負擔是增加的……"],["萬委員美玲：院長，不好意思，因為今天有很多議題要跟您討論，我們能不能根據重點，就是這個外部調查委員會我們有成立起來嗎？有還是沒有？"],["陳次長正祺：經濟部已經開始……"],["萬委員美玲：有還是沒有？"],["陳次長正祺：我們已經請台電公司評估。"],["萬委員美玲：所以有還是沒有？"],["陳次長正祺：我不知道部長……"],["萬委員美玲：目前有還是沒有？"],["陳次長正祺：我們有在調查。"],["萬委員美玲：目前有成立還是沒有成立？"],["陳次長正祺：我們有成立一個機制……"],["萬委員美玲：好，那你不用說，你可以先下去，因為今天顯然問你後面關於經濟部的所有事情，大概都是這種回答，因為他沒有辦法了解，然後也沒有辦法代表經濟部的部長，所以今天我想關於經濟部的事情，我還是先請教院長，如果沒辦法回答的，那就是會後給我資料，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的，謝謝。"],["萬委員美玲：這個外部停跳電事故調查委員會，之前有說要成立起來，我們就積極把它成立起來，因為調查事故的原因很重要，而且會有公信力，我想這個對大家都好。台電董事長曾文生8月的時候他說了一句，桃園以北500萬瓦以上的大型數據中心，一律不核供，這句話真的引起軒然大波啦！請問一下院長原因是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：第一個，包括國外知名的廠商、大廠要來臺灣設立任何的資訊中心、研發中心、設廠，我們都歡迎，但也要顧慮到我們整個平均的分配，包括土地的取得、包括能源的使用跟人力的配置等等，我希望在國家整體策略的要求底下，我們來做這樣的規劃，能夠跟國外的大廠取得協議。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，但是台電跟經濟部講的，這個缺電的問題、電網的問題，您就是沒有提到，我想我來提一下，當時除了說桃園以北不核供之外，同時還講了一個，這也是經濟部說的，他說我們還是鼓勵科技業，但是請它優先到支持設立電廠的縣市，請它到支持設立電廠的縣市，我們今天來看看桃園有沒有支持設立電廠，我們看到光是桃園地區有13個燃氣發電機組、2個水力機組，而且再依據台電自己官網的數據，昨天桃園各機組的淨發電占總發電量的18.23%，也就是說全臺發電量我們占將近五分之一。","我們再看到，現在桃園也正在建三接天然氣的接收站，剛剛提到有13座燃氣機組，也就是說我們其實是一個燃氣發電的重點城市，你看桃園人用肺來幫忙大家發電，結果當你稅收扣我們的、當你補助款不給我們、我們要自己拼經濟的時候，你現在說不給我們電，你說希望科技業到支持發電的縣市去，桃園就是支持啊！你怎麼那麼矛盾呢？我們是支持的，所以部長，我沒有要給經濟部回答，因為他也答不出個所以然來。但我今天要跟院長講，院長，如果台電、經濟部在這種說法上面自行矛盾，光我的桃園我是不能接受的，我們這麼多的發電在桃園，桃園人犧牲，然後還要有這些空污等等，結果呢？你剝奪掉它可以自行把經濟做得更好的機會，所以我不太能接受，我想這樣的一個限制令，院長能不能在這邊收回這個成命，讓桃園有機會自己做經濟的發展？"],["卓院長榮泰：首先，它不是限制令，它是在設廠的過程當中，我們就我們的能源提供給廠商一個參考跟標準，桃園包括剛剛委員所說的三接工程也在積極地進行當中，但桃園的土地以及桃園的能源能不能接得上？另外一個問題就是剛剛委員先前說的，桃園的人口增加很快速，我們所有的電網，雖然現在極力地在做安全的韌性，但能不能在短時間內，尤其是資料庫用電量之大，我們必須要做一個衡平。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，講到電網，執政8年，今年第9年了，現在還在講電網有問題，那之前怎麼都不修，對不對？所以院長，我今天真的就是覺得中央對桃園真的不公平，我們希望在這個部分可以重新檢討，能夠來支持桃園，不要把桃園列進去，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們在總統指示下，5,600億的電網韌性加強，10年的工程，我們會在2028年儘量把它完成，包括經濟部、包括台電，都對這項工程極力地合作。"],["萬委員美玲：我們希望每一個部會跟著院長的提醒，有漂亮的數字，但數字要落實才是成果，現在我們看了太多漂亮的數字了。","再問一題，關於SRF，6月份的時候，桃園市政府就是撤銷，但是經濟部在6月的時候撤銷了桃園市政府廢止3家SRF入園的許可，現在張善政市長在8月8號二度撤銷SRF的入園許可，請教一下，現在院長的態度是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：當然這個是有其需要，但是尊重地方政府對於整個策略，但現在……"],["萬委員美玲：所以這次你會尊重張善政市長的決定，是嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：彭部長今天有一些新的說明，今天才發生，我請他說明。"],["萬委員美玲：對不起，院長，所以您剛剛那樣的說法是會尊重張善政市長的決定？"],["卓院長榮泰：當然我們希望在衡平的狀況底下能夠有新的說法，大家再重新來考慮也是可以，當然地方要設，地方政府的態度是絕對重要。"],["萬委員美玲：所以經濟部跟環境部，對於桃園市政府撤銷的這個部分，你們這一次一樣會再撤銷嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們給彭部長說明，今天他有一個新的標準跟說法出來。"],["萬委員美玲：給您30秒。"],["彭部長啓明：好，報告委員，我們中午的時候開了一個記者會，因為我們體檢了全臺灣的SRF廠商，桃園市也有一些SRF的製造商，也有使用的，我們目前用的標準是全世界最嚴格的標準，每一個國家有用SRF的，我們就用它最嚴格的標準，包含重金屬等等，所以我們已經訂出標準，同時也告知桃園市政府了。"],["萬委員美玲：好，部長，您是說用最嚴格的標準去監督它的意思，是不是？"],["彭部長啓明：對，沒錯、沒錯。"],["萬委員美玲：現在的意思是，今天問院長，所以環境部跟經濟部你們主張要求桃園市政府要接受這3家SRF的入園，是嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是主張要求，是用新的這個方式……"],["萬委員美玲：還是你們推薦？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟地方政府再來商量。"],["萬委員美玲：我們不同意啊！桃園市政府現在不同意啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們因為有新的作為，容許有這個……"],["萬委員美玲：行政院的立場是希望它入園嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們希望能夠解決垃圾問題……"],["萬委員美玲：每一個人都希望啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：用最新、最好的方法來解決各地的垃圾問題。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，我能理解了，依據這樣子的答詢，我想你們的態度還是跟以前一樣，就是你們希望SRF進來，但你們又不願意負責任，我再一次表達，全桃園市的市民還是抗議的，所以我們也是不接受的。"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，其實SRF很清楚，現在有新的方法，而且也符合國際標準的。"],["萬委員美玲：對不起，院長，不好意思，我們這一題到這裡結束……"],["卓院長榮泰：不會不負責任，否則彭部長不會做出一個新的說法。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，我們請交通部的陳世凱部長上來。"],["主席：麻煩請交通部長備詢。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，真的事事要替桃園市多著想，真的！我覺得地方執政真的不要去分藍綠……"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告……"],["萬委員美玲：大家都是為地方，就算桃園市民，其實也是我們中華民國的國民，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：在院會當中，桃園市的列席代表跟我的對話是最多的。"],["萬委員美玲：陳部長……"],["陳部長世凱：是，委員好。"],["萬委員美玲：今天有好一點嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：一直都很好。"],["萬委員美玲：那天在委員會緊張嘛，對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：還好、還好。"],["萬委員美玲：今天好多了？"],["陳部長世凱：還好、還好。"],["萬委員美玲：我想因為院長站在您旁邊，您應該更有安全感一些。在委員會的時候，你有說過你上任之後有到桃園來一次，私下來過一次嘛！來訪友的還是來公出的？"],["陳部長世凱：我坐火車。"],["萬委員美玲：嗯？"],["陳部長世凱：我搭火車。"],["萬委員美玲：好，我是這樣建議啦，以後真的有來桃園，你是不是也可以通知一下？其實我們6位委員真的很願意陪你去看一看我們桃園市……"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，那一次是我自己私下搭火車去看一看而已，不敢驚擾委員。"],["萬委員美玲：沒關係，我希望你能夠排時間來桃園。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["萬委員美玲：桃園有太多的重大建設，需要部長能夠儘快去了解，尤其是鐵路地下化，這個部長有了解到嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：是，有了解。"],["萬委員美玲：這個不只是桃園的重大交通建設，同時也是全國、我們國家的重大交通建設，不過4個月前在這裡，其實當時我總質詢的時候就有提到了，工程嚴重延宕，非常嚴重地延宕，現在不管是土建標還是機電標，目前還有16個標是沒有標出去的，4個月的時間，1個標案都沒有標出去，其實這是很嚴重的。再來，我們看到，工程進度只要慢，就是在凌遲我們桃園市的市民，而且增加交通黑暗期，我想您待過臺中，你也知道，其實我們任何的重大交通建設都是要快一點。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["萬委員美玲：這4個月當中，我們這個工程的進度原本應該是要從35.33%提高到37.5%，這個進度是要能夠增加2.1%的，可是我們沒有，視同我們落後的進度從4%擴大到5%，所以還是不斷地在落後。比較嚴重的問題來了，總工程款1,048億，現在整個進度大概三成多，但我們1,048億花完了、用光了，但用到哪裡去，我是希望部長之後能夠給我們一個說明跟報告這1,048億用到哪去了。我們現在粗估還要769億，近800億。我想請教院長，經費不足的部分，我們現在有沒有編入明年度的預算？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個牽扯到桃園市，甚至跟新北市都有相關，中央跟地方在這種財務分配的比例下，是有一定的標準。"],["萬委員美玲：好，院長，我們講到這個財務分配比例，之前桃園市跟中央的分配是我們25%、中央75%，但是我必須要講，在這1,048億的基礎之下，我們同意這樣做，因為我們衡酌過我們的財政狀況，現在你又要多增加將近800億，桃園市現在的財政雪上加霜，你如果還要我們再去負擔這25%，我想我們是不能接受的，所以我也希望跟院長、部長來溝通跟請命，這769億我們希望能夠由中央全數來支持，不要再讓桃園有這麼大的負擔了，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：部長請。"],["陳部長世凱：好。報告委員，我們增加的經費，除了是物價指數的問題，物價調高了不少，其實還有一些部分是因為平鎮南延，你應該也都很清楚，那個部分就增加了一百多億，然後還有一些是文資挖掘、發掘的部分，確實也造成了一些延宕，也是經費增加，所以這個部分其實有一些是地方的建議，我們照地方的建議來做的。"],["萬委員美玲：我理解了，但是部長，我真的要跟你講，當初這個25%，其實我們都覺得很委屈了。我們來看到，其實其他的縣市也是有鐵路立體化負擔比例的分配，花蓮是0，臺南12.5%，嘉義14%，對不對？我舉的這些都是六都，而且我要講六都的臺南市，臺南市的統籌分配稅款還比我們高，但是你看，它來跟中央做分配的時候，其實12.5%是我們的一半，是不是？之前的25%，我們是談好的嘛。"],["陳部長世凱：是，這是談好的。"],["萬委員美玲：但是現在增加的部分，其實也沒有桃園市政府的責任在裡面，所以我們希望請求部長跟院長能夠重新去思考，會後部長再來跟我們做一個討論，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["萬委員美玲：最後一題，我想要請邱泰源部長。"],["主席：麻煩請衛福部備詢。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，我想我就先提，去年112年5月1號起，新冠肺炎就從第五類的法定傳染病調整為第四類。"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["萬委員美玲：指揮中心在這個時候也解散了，當時的發言人，也是現在疾管署的副署長羅一鈞也說，把新冠肺炎的等級調整成跟流感相當，中重症或併發症才需通報，同時也有很多的醫學專家也都認定新冠肺炎流感化，您同意嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，它已經成為一個第四類的傳染病。"],["萬委員美玲：OK，部長同意嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["萬委員美玲：沒問題嘛？"],["邱部長泰源：是的。"],["萬委員美玲：好，今年9月開始新冠再度比照流感併發症，我們改名為新冠併發重症，而且也放寬了通報的時效，綜合衛福部的這些作法，我們可不可以說，這是象徵新冠走向流感化，或者比照流感來辦理，是嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員……"],["萬委員美玲：簡單的說一下就好，是嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：是的，我們還是有……"],["萬委員美玲：好，沒關係，部長，我們來……"],["邱部長泰源：繼續支持新冠肺炎防治的所有工作。"],["萬委員美玲：我們再來慢慢討論，如果說我們現在知道，就是我們把它降為第4類嘛！然後比照流感，但是我想就在大家都以為現在疫情已經過去或者穩定的新冠肺炎，事實上它其實是悄悄的捲土重來中……"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["萬委員美玲：而且進入到第6波的大流行，在6月底、7月初，也就是我們說的27週、28週，甚至於達到一個高峰，單週的急診就診人數高達十二萬八千多人，單週最高新增了987例的重症，同時還有104例的死亡，其實這個數目是滿怵目驚心的。現在雖然疫情又一波，因為上上下下嘛！現在又停了下來，稍微降下一點，比較平穩了，可是9月初的單週還有1.2萬人是中重症，所以面對整個新冠病毒不斷的變異，我想我們還是要做好準備，兩位都同意吧？"],["邱部長泰源：是的。"],["萬委員美玲：好，我們再來看，根據行政院110年核定的新興傳染病暨流感大流行的計畫裡面，依據計畫中防疫物資儲備跟管理的指標，我們對於流感的抗病毒藥物是必須要儲備可供10%到15%的國人來使用，差不多在235萬到350萬人份。我請教一下，如果新冠現在按照剛剛兩位所認可的流感化，不曉得我們新冠抗病毒藥物目前的儲備量是多少？"],["邱部長泰源：是的，首先在這邊還是謝謝委員過去對防疫工作多年來的關心跟幫忙，有關於剛剛您提的問題，因為抗病毒的藥其實滿貴，而且有效期，所以我們一定要控制得相當好，所以目前我們抗病毒藥物是充裕無虞……"],["萬委員美玲：好，等一下，充裕無虞嘛！那我們來看9月11號我們自己發布的新聞，說採購了80萬份的新冠抗病毒藥物，其中30萬瑞德西韋，可是15萬年底才要到貨，另外15萬是開口合約；50萬的倍拉維，40萬人份是年底才要到貨，10萬是開口合約；另外兩萬的莫納皮拉韋也是開口合約。所以現在看到事實上我們的庫存到目前為止大概83萬份左右，占總人口數大概3.5個百分點而已，如果我們一樣是流感化，其實這樣的備藥，我覺得打了一個大大的問號。","我們再來看，因為現在馬上10月份了，要進入秋冬了，疫情會不會捲土再來，會不會突然間有很大的一個變化，疫情會不會突然高漲？我們不知道，可是我們就是要做好準備嘛！何況我們有以前的防疫經驗……"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["萬委員美玲：我覺得我們再來看一個數字，這個數字是疾管署統計的，今年4月我們新冠累積的重症個案數高達9,900例，這個數字是同期流感併發症700餘例的14倍；同時新冠死亡大概1,000例左右，也是流感死亡個案100例的11倍。所以我覺得如果我們都把它看成流感化，那何以我們防疫的藥物儲備差那麼多？我們對待流感跟對待新冠的SOP好像也差非常多喔！所以我想因應後新冠的疫情，衛福部看起來好像是不是也沒有編列預算來購買快篩跟抗病毒的藥品，有嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我首先謝謝委員透過這麼重要寶貴的時間，提醒國人不要掉以輕心，這個是非常感激。新冠跟流感我們現在同步會從10月1號開始，第一階段針對65歲以上的國人予以施打；第二階段11月1號開始，6個月以上的小孩可以打新冠疫苗，流感是在50到64歲，我們既然排出了這樣的期程，我會要求衛福部一定要備足充備的藥源跟疫苗。"],["萬委員美玲：我請教一下，我們到底明年有沒有編預算要購買快篩跟新冠的抗病毒藥品，有沒有編這個預算？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們已經有這個階段要施打這個疫苗了，所以既然提出這個計畫，衛福部就要……"],["萬委員美玲：我先請教一下，有沒有編這個預算？"],["卓院長榮泰：衛福部就要準備充裕。"],["萬委員美玲：那現在有沒有編這個預算，明年要買這個藥？"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長答復。"],["邱部長泰源：報告委員，因為現在目前大概倍拉維儲量有26萬份，這樣可以用42個月以上；瑞德西韋可以用9個月以上……"],["萬委員美玲：部長，這個剛剛我已經有提過，你不用再重唸一次。"],["邱部長泰源：我們年底會再採購一批，應該就可以來……"],["萬委員美玲：所以明年沒有編列預算，對嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：明年度就暫時不用編列購買預算。"],["萬委員美玲：暫時沒有編列，但是我覺得這還是值得我們擔憂。院長，我們今天在這邊不是要指責或責怪什麼做了、什麼沒有做，我覺得這件事非常的重要，我們必須要去看待它，我們要知道現在如果備藥不足、用藥又有受限，因為我們目前用藥是有限制嘛！備藥不足、用藥又有受限，未來中重症或者死亡率就有可能會提高，所以這一點本席在這邊……今天這麼多議題為什麼這一題非常重要？馬上秋冬就要開始了，我們希望把用藥備足，然後未來用藥能夠放寬，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，謝謝委員，再次謝謝透過這樣的機會來提醒國人。衛福部一定要記取過去的例子跟經驗，在往後的時間不要重蹈過去讓國人感到不安的情況，所以不管是疫苗、備藥或是口罩這個部分能夠提前準備的，我會要求衛福部要確實的到位。"],["萬委員美玲：好，院長，我想現在用藥顯然備量不足啦！我們希望趕快把它補齊來，這樣好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會備齊，會準備備齊。"],["邱部長泰源：一定備齊。"],["卓院長榮泰：我要求衛福部做到。"],["萬委員美玲：謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝萬美玲委員質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第26號鍾佳濱委員質詢。特別跟院會報告，鍾佳濱委員剛剛手術完畢，今天是負傷質詢，質詢的精神令人感佩，祝福佳濱委員早日身體康復。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":104,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","蔡其昌","陳雪生","吳春城","林俊憲","萬美玲","鍾佳濱","翁曉玲","林月琴","呂玉玲","王正旭","丁學忠"],"page_start":21,"meetingDate":["2024-09-27"],"gazette_id":"1137601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137601_00002","1137601_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1137601_00003"}}}