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00:00:58,666\n丁學忠議員\n\n4\n00:01:17,168 --> 00:01:18,069\n丁學忠議員：丁學忠議員：丁學忠議員：\n\n5\n00:01:40,060 --> 00:01:40,180\n：丁學長\n\n6\n00:01:57,199 --> 00:01:57,559\n丁學忠議員\n\n7\n00:02:27,823 --> 00:02:40,837\n我跟委員報告第一點就是說我們天然災的部分我們農業部一直在持續精進看到用比較科技的方式用比較早講過的那過去都是地方政府先看了以後再報來廣戶廣戶再報來我們的農業部那速度太慢了所以我們這邊是\n\n8\n00:02:48,038 --> 00:02:48,378\n丁學忠議員\n\n9\n00:03:15,091 --> 00:03:15,231\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:34,141 --> 00:03:41,331\n在重建工程中﹑水利主理署﹑\n\n11\n00:03:45,663 --> 00:04:11,233\n丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁\n\n12\n00:04:12,433 --> 00:04:13,013\n發言委員：丁學忠\n\n13\n00:04:34,309 --> 00:04:39,311\n因為我們沿海地區地層比較下陷﹖學校都受益比較高的時代﹖都已經低落靠路面﹖所以\n\n14\n00:05:03,081 --> 00:05:03,762\n丁學忠議員\n\n15\n00:05:21,843 --> 00:05:23,925\n我了解委員的用心,苦業是個地罪,我們要做\n\n16\n00:05:39,423 --> 00:05:40,444\n學校內的學校內的學校內的學校內\n\n17\n00:06:09,603 --> 00:06:10,063\n現在再來再講就是\n\n18\n00:06:40,097 --> 00:06:40,117\n國土計畫\n\n19\n00:07:03,666 --> 00:07:04,806\n丁學忠委員．丁學忠\n\n20\n00:07:26,340 --> 00:07:26,520\n我請農業部長\n\n21\n00:07:47,131 --> 00:07:58,511\n都在報的部分大家有人的執法要修現在已經都送到行政院已經去做審議了那完了以後就會送到立法院來這邊做審查\n\n22\n00:08:01,042 --> 00:08:18,570\n已經有代替整個就好了就對了對因為裡面一些像森林法或是其他的法它相對單純比較重要的是我們的農發條例因為農發條例我們過去用區域計畫下去設計現在改成國土計畫的時候有一些農業用地的定義跟農業用地的範疇跟農業用地的使用的範圍這個會做一些適度的修正\n\n23\n00:08:29,675 --> 00:08:42,204\n讓未來因為藝豪國土計劃裡面沒有用地木所以會讓農民能夠有一個轉換的時間我們希望說透過這個國土計劃法這個計劃法如果執行下去可以縮短城鄉發展距離我們希望這樣不要說一樣中國的社區一樣中國一樣農後的社區我們一樣繼續農後這樣不是我們要捱的一個精神\n\n24\n00:08:56,613 --> 00:08:57,373\n發言委員：丁學忠\n\n25\n00:09:16,883 --> 00:09:36,191\n未來的農業會用鄉村發展為核心的概念去發展它的多元的這些產業這些產業就能夠跟其他的周遭的都會去做有效的連結這是我們未來的規劃每個地方都有很多的規劃剛才好談這個規劃代替我們地方的市長跟我們部長請教一下我們農一農二實際的策略是在哪裡\n\n26\n00:09:47,839 --> 00:10:09,512\n對農業輸用的時候完全沒有差農醫跟農二是一樣好對農民來說但是因為農醫農二在整個的時候因為它的區域的階級有什麼有些基礎設施投入或者是說它的土地比較集中但是在整個農醫跟農二的時候只有一點外面都沒有在說的就是說\n\n27\n00:10:13,737 --> 00:10:22,676\n國一農一跟農二分心也可以根據縣市他發展的需求而去做調整不是說\n\n28\n00:10:23,894 --> 00:10:29,435\n我跟委員報告現在管政府因為他現在公展的部分是現在管政府在規劃嘛規劃的時候有一些原則在規劃不過這裏面包括\n\n29\n00:10:52,506 --> 00:10:54,467\n我們已經說過是不利耕種區的議員：他是維生農醫\n\n30\n00:11:09,056 --> 00:11:32,075\n這是管政副委員：對管政副委員我知道你會說管政副委員：所以我們都會說整個管政副委員要整個多少都要有一個指導原則但是因為地方政府在看的時候有地方政府的考慮跟地方政府的發展會有幾個未來3天以後會不會新增因為\n\n31\n00:11:36,187 --> 00:11:36,487\n施政委員：\n\n32\n00:12:06,467 --> 00:12:14,052\n我跟委員報告這都是外靠最近一些地政室在炒作這個議題就是說變成因為我們農業裡面農地就是要農用所以我跟他說你如果做農用完全沒有影響不過你如果被炒作變土地開發\n\n33\n00:12:35,845 --> 00:12:36,445\n委員：丁學忠\n\n34\n00:12:55,009 --> 00:12:55,329\n委員長丁學忠\n\n35\n00:13:12,771 --> 00:13:34,435\n我向委員報告過去在農地變更內只有萬分之三所以他本身他現在的制度內他就很怕變形他變形一定要有條件要有他的合理性不可替代性對啊所以這就是都他有去想到很多的環境不過你後面你阿邦應該針對鄉村的整體規劃下去做調整我們也是知道現在有很多政策\n\n36\n00:13:42,236 --> 00:13:46,037\n我跟委員報告原來的農地裡不管是農一農二你要去農舍\n\n37\n00:14:08,582 --> 00:14:10,525\n現在沒有合法的規定就去處理\n\n38\n00:14:22,711 --> 00:14:42,010\n對阿,所以我希望說,我們把這個執法的精神,我們一定好事之後,公共處理,讓所有的事端,他們了解到我們這個國土計劃法的根本的精神,是正確的,我們要做成就那一個國家,我們在之前在做,\n\n39\n00:14:45,433 --> 00:14:52,175\n委員可以幫你稍作介紹一下嗎我相信沈主席很多立法委員代表民意都非常了解但是有人提出說這個國土紀委員要延長2年到4年但是事實上已經延長過了所以表示說我們可能要有很大的共識要向委員報告說國土紀委員跟外人的區域紀委員是要改造\n\n40\n00:15:15,523 --> 00:15:25,352\n關責該做管理要如何更好的管理我相信委員會最了解第一項就是譬如說以婚姻觀來說婚姻觀未來的發展不是只有農業而已可能有人會針對說鄉村或是農業要如何可以專業可以讓年輕人更好的農業可以發展\n\n41\n00:15:32,319 --> 00:15:40,941\n所以我們是支持剛才農業報告的他們希望要把鄉村整個部分放進去國土界委裡面所以這對年輕人來說有起因人第二天剛才你說的你就不論在土農還是農業還是農二你本來就是農事是合法的絕對就是合法你本來沒合法的要怎麼讓它合法表示說你要有白水謝謝啦你不可以白費水啦\n\n42\n00:15:57,905 --> 00:16:06,369\n這就表示叫做管理,不是要管責事實上我也知道,譬如說我們農業部的很多官員在我們婚姻關係跟人交通的時候有時候政府要用他的說法來講,不然要讓我們農業部的官員做更好的解釋所以我希望說,丁委員﹚不是,議員部長,不是我給你們解釋是怎樣,我們一個根本的執法都沒有出來我們有一個實際的聚人\n\n43\n00:16:25,359 --> 00:16:25,659\n我們的城鄉發展區可以擴大\n\n44\n00:16:52,683 --> 00:16:58,188\n對：我們可以說直線好像沒有情：直線這個環節：未來我們林教授如果很高的：若去讓我們發展到這個三年分區：林教授越來越多：還要強調到這個見底：\n\n45\n00:17:08,459 --> 00:17:11,200\n所以這是希望說我們來進國和農業部我們要積極跟政府跟他們討論這個事項\n\n46\n00:17:27,688 --> 00:17:32,632\n要讓人了解這個事項：不是說他們的事實存在：我們中央設的規定就是說就相信總統要維持多少公頃的這個農地：對阿今天既然我們當這個公開的政策你就有說了\n\n47\n00:17:47,182 --> 00:17:52,466\n國長你剛才說了﹖講到經濟規定﹖這樣對於我們婦人館﹖來講我們婦人館政府來做衛生﹖這有發動﹖確實增加到我們山陽區的衛生﹖確實可以落實到我們城鄉發展區﹖發展的範圍﹖我可以說﹖因為紐西\n\n48\n00:18:13,581 --> 00:18:35,338\n其實政策領域不是只有婦人館的政策領域：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：\n\n49\n00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:48,293\n我跟委員報告就是說因為現在看到就是說婦人館政府還沒送出來所以我們不知道說以農業發展區農業農業到底是最後是怎麼化的所以我們就希望說他們可以提出他的版本的時候我們可以來溝通我顧一下\n\n50\n00:19:04,987 --> 00:19:22,101\n臨島的部分,一些土地去化成國保區去,我們覺得比較沒力所以我們去協調,就把它化為農業發展區,這樣的話會比較好所以你的班本,分你的班本上出來以後,我們就可以對這個地方可以好好的去討論去做溝通\n\n51\n00:19:24,414 --> 00:19:40,306\n現在是拜託我們部長您比較貴心真的我們分明是常常走路在進行發展的一個風雲當中當然如果真的確實來發展之後真的我們中央也是功夫可賀現在我們都要感謝大家都共同貴賀對著地方發展這是我們單人公室的一個哲理\n\n52\n00:19:52,335 --> 00:19:58,602\n所以拜託我們院長﹚拜託我們部長﹚我們兩位部長﹚針對這個國土紀委法﹚我們可以做一個詳細的一個說明﹚還是詳細的一個整個療養﹚跟我們地方管政部﹚我們來做一個詳細的討論﹚委席的範圍﹚委席的風險﹚\n\n53\n00:20:12,818 --> 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他們希望要把鄉村整個部分放進去國土界委裡面所以這對年輕人來說 有起因人第二天剛才你說的 你就不論在土農還是農業還是農二你本來就是農事是合法的 絕對就是合法你本來沒合法的 要怎麼讓它合法 表示說你要有白水謝謝啦你不可以白費水啦\n957905\t966369\t這就表示叫做管理,不是要管責事實上我也知道,譬如說我們農業部的很多官員在我們婚姻關係跟人交通的時候有時候政府要用他的說法來講,不然要讓我們農業部的官員做更好的解釋所以我希望說,丁委員﹚不是,議員部長,不是我給你們解釋是怎樣,我們一個根本的執法都沒有出來我們有一個實際的聚人\n985359\t985659\t我們的城鄉發展區可以擴大\n1012683\t1018188\t對：我們可以說直線好像沒有情：直線這個環節：未來我們林教授如果很高的：若去讓我們發展到這個三年分區：林教授越來越多：還要強調到這個見底：\n1028459\t1031200\t所以這是希望說我們來進國和農業部我們要積極跟政府跟他們討論這個事項\n1047688\t1052632\t要讓人了解這個事項：不是說 他們的事實存在：我們中央設的規定 就是說就相信總統 要維持多少公頃的這個農地：對阿 今天 既然我們當這個公開的政策 你就有說了\n1067182\t1072466\t國長你剛才說了﹖講到經濟規定﹖這樣對於我們婦人館﹖來講我們婦人館政府來做衛生﹖這有發動﹖確實增加到我們山陽區的衛生﹖確實可以落實到我們城鄉發展區﹖發展的範圍﹖我可以說﹖因為紐西\n1093581\t1115338\t其實政策領域不是只有婦人館的政策領域：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：\n1117684\t1128293\t我跟委員報告就是說因為現在看到就是說婦人館政府還沒送出來所以我們不知道說以農業發展區農業農業到底是最後是怎麼化的所以我們就希望說他們可以提出他的版本的時候我們可以來溝通我顧一下\n1144987\t1162101\t臨島的部分,一些土地去化成國保區去,我們覺得比較沒力所以我們去協調,就把它化為農業發展區,這樣的話會比較好所以你的班本,分你的班本上出來以後,我們就可以對這個地方可以好好的去討論去做溝通\n1164414\t1180306\t現在是拜託我們部長您比較貴心真的我們分明是常常走路在進行發展的一個風雲當中當然如果真的確實來發展之後真的我們中央也是功夫可賀現在我們都要感謝大家都共同貴賀對著地方發展這是我們單人公室的一個哲理\n1192335\t1198602\t所以拜託我們院長﹚拜託我們部長﹚我們兩位部長﹚針對這個國土紀委法﹚我們可以做一個詳細的一個說明﹚還是詳細的一個整個療養﹚跟我們地方管政部﹚我們來做一個詳細的討論﹚委席的範圍﹚委席的風險﹚\n1212818\t1212939\t主席\n","txt":"接下來我們請丁學忠委員質詢感謝主席請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢農業部經濟部還有教育部麻煩請農業部經濟部教育部請備詢感謝院長\n當然我們聽到我們的質詢的時候﹖那時候我們剛好大大盡力的下幹年﹖那時候就說到我們這個訪台期就已經漲漲的高﹖剛好7月就要發生的這個開運颱風﹖我直接要感謝我們議長﹖感謝我們國國會﹖對到在海發生療養﹖而配合到我們地方政府﹖來做這個重建的這個強大的這個協助﹖\n丁學忠議員\n丁學忠議員：丁學忠議員：丁學忠議員：\n：丁學長\n丁學忠議員\n我跟委員報告第一點就是說我們天然災的部分我們農業部一直在持續精進看到用比較科技的方式用比較早講過的那過去都是地方政府先看了以後再報來廣戶廣戶再報來我們的農業部那速度太慢了所以我們這邊是\n丁學忠議員\n主席\n在重建工程中﹑水利主理署﹑\n丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁學忠 丁\n發言委員：丁學忠\n因為我們沿海地區地層比較下陷﹖學校都受益比較高的時代﹖都已經低落靠路面﹖所以\n丁學忠議員\n我了解委員的用心,苦業是個地罪,我們要做\n學校內的學校內的學校內的學校內\n現在再來再講就是\n國土計畫\n丁學忠委員．丁學忠\n我請農業部長\n都在報的部分 大家有人的執法要修現在已經都送到行政院 已經去做審議了那完了以後就會送到立法院 來這邊做審查\n已經有代替整個就好了就對了對 因為 裡面 一些像森林法或是其他的法 它相對單純比較重要的是我們的農發條例因為農發條例我們過去用區域計畫下去設計現在改成國土計畫的時候 有一些農業用地的定義跟農業用地的範疇跟農業用地的使用的範圍 這個會做一些適度的修正\n讓未來因為藝豪國土計劃裡面沒有用地木所以會讓農民能夠有一個轉換的時間我們希望說透過這個國土計劃法這個計劃法如果執行下去可以縮短城鄉發展距離我們希望這樣不要說一樣中國的社區 一樣中國 一樣農後的社區我們一樣繼續農後這樣不是我們要捱的一個精神\n發言委員：丁學忠\n未來的農業會用鄉村發展為核心的概念去發展它的多元的這些產業這些產業就能夠跟其他的周遭的都會去做有效的連結這是我們未來的規劃每個地方都有很多的規劃剛才好談這個規劃代替我們地方的市長跟我們部長請教一下我們農一農二實際的策略是在哪裡\n對農業輸用的時候完全沒有差農醫跟農二是一樣好對農民來說但是因為農醫農二在整個的時候因為它的區域的階級有什麼有些基礎設施投入或者是說它的土地比較集中但是在整個農醫跟農二的時候只有一點外面都沒有在說的就是說\n國一 農一跟農二分心也可以根據縣市他發展的需求而去做調整不是說\n我跟委員報告 現在管政府因為他現在公展的部分是現在管政府在規劃嘛規劃的時候有一些原則在規劃不過這裏面包括\n我們已經說過是不利耕種區的議員：他是維生農醫\n這是管政副委員：對管政副委員 我知道你會說管政副委員：所以我們都會說 整個管政副委員 要整個多少 都要有一個指導原則 但是因為 地方政府在看的時候 有地方政府的考慮 跟地方政府的發展會有幾個 未來3天以後會不會新增 因為\n施政委員：\n我跟委員報告這都是外靠最近一些地政室在炒作這個議題就是說變成因為我們農業裡面農地就是要農用所以我跟他說你如果做農用完全沒有影響不過你如果被炒作變土地開發\n委員：丁學忠\n委員長丁學忠\n我向委員報告 過去在農地變更內只有萬分之三所以他本身他現在的制度內他就很怕變形 他變形一定要有條件要有他的合理性 不可替代性對啊 所以這就是 都他有去想到很多的環境不過你後面 你阿邦應該針對鄉村的整體規劃 下去做調整我們也是知道 現在有很多政策\n我跟委員報告原來的農地裡不管是農一農二你要去農舍\n現在沒有合法的規定就去處理\n對阿,所以我希望說,我們把這個執法的精神,我們一定好事之後,公共處理,讓所有的事端,他們了解到我們這個國土計劃法的根本的精神,是正確的,我們要做成就那一個國家,我們在之前在做,\n委員可以幫你稍作介紹一下嗎我相信沈主席 很多立法委員 代表民意 都非常了解但是有人提出說 這個國土紀委員 要延長2年到4年但是事實上已經延長過了所以表示說 我們可能要有很大的共識要向委員報告說 國土紀委員 跟外人的區域紀委員 是要改造\n關責該做管理要如何更好的管理我相信委員會最了解第一項就是譬如說以婚姻觀來說婚姻觀未來的發展不是只有農業而已可能有人會針對說鄉村或是農業要如何可以專業可以讓年輕人更好的農業可以發展\n所以我們是支持剛才農業報告的 他們希望要把鄉村整個部分放進去國土界委裡面所以這對年輕人來說 有起因人第二天剛才你說的 你就不論在土農還是農業還是農二你本來就是農事是合法的 絕對就是合法你本來沒合法的 要怎麼讓它合法 表示說你要有白水謝謝啦你不可以白費水啦\n這就表示叫做管理,不是要管責事實上我也知道,譬如說我們農業部的很多官員在我們婚姻關係跟人交通的時候有時候政府要用他的說法來講,不然要讓我們農業部的官員做更好的解釋所以我希望說,丁委員﹚不是,議員部長,不是我給你們解釋是怎樣,我們一個根本的執法都沒有出來我們有一個實際的聚人\n我們的城鄉發展區可以擴大\n對：我們可以說直線好像沒有情：直線這個環節：未來我們林教授如果很高的：若去讓我們發展到這個三年分區：林教授越來越多：還要強調到這個見底：\n所以這是希望說我們來進國和農業部我們要積極跟政府跟他們討論這個事項\n要讓人了解這個事項：不是說 他們的事實存在：我們中央設的規定 就是說就相信總統 要維持多少公頃的這個農地：對阿 今天 既然我們當這個公開的政策 你就有說了\n國長你剛才說了﹖講到經濟規定﹖這樣對於我們婦人館﹖來講我們婦人館政府來做衛生﹖這有發動﹖確實增加到我們山陽區的衛生﹖確實可以落實到我們城鄉發展區﹖發展的範圍﹖我可以說﹖因為紐西\n其實政策領域不是只有婦人館的政策領域：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：若說只有內需：\n我跟委員報告就是說因為現在看到就是說婦人館政府還沒送出來所以我們不知道說以農業發展區農業農業到底是最後是怎麼化的所以我們就希望說他們可以提出他的版本的時候我們可以來溝通我顧一下\n臨島的部分,一些土地去化成國保區去,我們覺得比較沒力所以我們去協調,就把它化為農業發展區,這樣的話會比較好所以你的班本,分你的班本上出來以後,我們就可以對這個地方可以好好的去討論去做溝通\n現在是拜託我們部長您比較貴心真的我們分明是常常走路在進行發展的一個風雲當中當然如果真的確實來發展之後真的我們中央也是功夫可賀現在我們都要感謝大家都共同貴賀對著地方發展這是我們單人公室的一個哲理\n所以拜託我們院長﹚拜託我們部長﹚我們兩位部長﹚針對這個國土紀委法﹚我們可以做一個詳細的一個說明﹚還是詳細的一個整個療養﹚跟我們地方管政部﹚我們來做一個詳細的討論﹚委席的範圍﹚委席的風險﹚\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.449 --> 00:20.805\n接下來我們請丁學忠委員質詢感謝主席請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢農業部經濟部還有教育部麻煩請農業部經濟部教育部請備詢感謝院長\n\n00:28.148 --> 00:38.614\n當然我們聽到我們的質詢的時候﹖那時候我們剛好大大盡力的下幹年﹖那時候就說到我們這個訪台期就已經漲漲的高﹖剛好7月就要發生的這個開運颱風﹖我直接要感謝我們議長﹖感謝我們國國會﹖對到在海發生療養﹖而配合到我們地方政府﹖來做這個重建的這個強大的這個協助﹖\n\n00:58.266 --> 00:58.666\n丁學忠議員\n\n01:17.168 --> 01:18.069\n丁學忠議員：丁學忠議員：丁學忠議員：\n\n01:40.060 --> 01:40.180\n：丁學長\n\n01:57.199 --> 01:57.559\n丁學忠議員\n\n02:27.823 --> 02:40.837\n我跟委員報告第一點就是說我們天然災的部分我們農業部一直在持續精進看到用比較科技的方式用比較早講過的那過去都是地方政府先看了以後再報來廣戶廣戶再報來我們的農業部那速度太慢了所以我們這邊是\n\n02:48.038 --> 02:48.378\n丁學忠議員\n\n03:15.091 --> 03:15.231\n主席\n\n03:34.141 --> 03:41.331\n在重建工程中﹑水利主理署﹑\n\n03:45.663 --> 04:11.233\n丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠丁\n\n04:12.433 --> 04:13.013\n發言委員：丁學忠\n\n04:34.309 --> 04:39.311\n因為我們沿海地區地層比較下陷﹖學校都受益比較高的時代﹖都已經低落靠路面﹖所以\n\n05:03.081 --> 05:03.762\n丁學忠議員\n\n05:21.843 --> 05:23.925\n我了解委員的用心,苦業是個地罪,我們要做\n\n05:39.423 --> 05:40.444\n學校內的學校內的學校內的學校內\n\n06:09.603 --> 06:10.063\n現在再來再講就是\n\n06:40.097 --> 06:40.117\n國土計畫\n\n07:03.666 --> 07:04.806\n丁學忠委員．丁學忠\n\n07:26.340 --> 07:26.520\n我請農業部長\n\n07:47.131 --> 07:58.511\n都在報的部分大家有人的執法要修現在已經都送到行政院已經去做審議了那完了以後就會送到立法院來這邊做審查\n\n08:01.042 --> 08:18.570\n已經有代替整個就好了就對了對因為裡面一些像森林法或是其他的法它相對單純比較重要的是我們的農發條例因為農發條例我們過去用區域計畫下去設計現在改成國土計畫的時候有一些農業用地的定義跟農業用地的範疇跟農業用地的使用的範圍這個會做一些適度的修正\n\n08:29.675 --> 08:42.204\n讓未來因為藝豪國土計劃裡面沒有用地木所以會讓農民能夠有一個轉換的時間我們希望說透過這個國土計劃法這個計劃法如果執行下去可以縮短城鄉發展距離我們希望這樣不要說一樣中國的社區一樣中國一樣農後的社區我們一樣繼續農後這樣不是我們要捱的一個精神\n\n08:56.613 --> 08:57.373\n發言委員：丁學忠\n\n09:16.883 --> 09:36.191\n未來的農業會用鄉村發展為核心的概念去發展它的多元的這些產業這些產業就能夠跟其他的周遭的都會去做有效的連結這是我們未來的規劃每個地方都有很多的規劃剛才好談這個規劃代替我們地方的市長跟我們部長請教一下我們農一農二實際的策略是在哪裡\n\n09:47.839 --> 10:09.512\n對農業輸用的時候完全沒有差農醫跟農二是一樣好對農民來說但是因為農醫農二在整個的時候因為它的區域的階級有什麼有些基礎設施投入或者是說它的土地比較集中但是在整個農醫跟農二的時候只有一點外面都沒有在說的就是說\n\n10:13.737 --> 10:22.676\n國一農一跟農二分心也可以根據縣市他發展的需求而去做調整不是說\n\n10:23.894 --> 10:29.435\n我跟委員報告現在管政府因為他現在公展的部分是現在管政府在規劃嘛規劃的時候有一些原則在規劃不過這裏面包括\n\n10:52.506 --> 10:54.467\n我們已經說過是不利耕種區的議員：他是維生農醫\n\n11:09.056 --> 11:32.075\n這是管政副委員：對管政副委員我知道你會說管政副委員：所以我們都會說整個管政副委員要整個多少都要有一個指導原則但是因為地方政府在看的時候有地方政府的考慮跟地方政府的發展會有幾個未來3天以後會不會新增因為\n\n11:36.187 --> 11:36.487\n施政委員：\n\n12:06.467 --> 12:14.052\n我跟委員報告這都是外靠最近一些地政室在炒作這個議題就是說變成因為我們農業裡面農地就是要農用所以我跟他說你如果做農用完全沒有影響不過你如果被炒作變土地開發\n\n12:35.845 --> 12:36.445\n委員：丁學忠\n\n12:55.009 --> 12:55.329\n委員長丁學忠\n\n13:12.771 --> 13:34.435\n我向委員報告過去在農地變更內只有萬分之三所以他本身他現在的制度內他就很怕變形他變形一定要有條件要有他的合理性不可替代性對啊所以這就是都他有去想到很多的環境不過你後面你阿邦應該針對鄉村的整體規劃下去做調整我們也是知道現在有很多政策\n\n13:42.236 --> 13:46.037\n我跟委員報告原來的農地裡不管是農一農二你要去農舍\n\n14:08.582 --> 14:10.525\n現在沒有合法的規定就去處理\n\n14:22.711 --> 14:42.010\n對阿,所以我希望說,我們把這個執法的精神,我們一定好事之後,公共處理,讓所有的事端,他們了解到我們這個國土計劃法的根本的精神,是正確的,我們要做成就那一個國家,我們在之前在做,\n\n14:45.433 --> 14:52.175\n委員可以幫你稍作介紹一下嗎我相信沈主席很多立法委員代表民意都非常了解但是有人提出說這個國土紀委員要延長2年到4年但是事實上已經延長過了所以表示說我們可能要有很大的共識要向委員報告說國土紀委員跟外人的區域紀委員是要改造\n\n15:15.523 --> 15:25.352\n關責該做管理要如何更好的管理我相信委員會最了解第一項就是譬如說以婚姻觀來說婚姻觀未來的發展不是只有農業而已可能有人會針對說鄉村或是農業要如何可以專業可以讓年輕人更好的農業可以發展\n\n15:32.319 --> 15:40.941\n所以我們是支持剛才農業報告的他們希望要把鄉村整個部分放進去國土界委裡面所以這對年輕人來說有起因人第二天剛才你說的你就不論在土農還是農業還是農二你本來就是農事是合法的絕對就是合法你本來沒合法的要怎麼讓它合法表示說你要有白水謝謝啦你不可以白費水啦\n\n15:57.905 --> 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這個公開場所你就有說了，部長就說沒有強制規定，這樣對雲林縣來說，雲林縣政府劃設時有辦法確實增加產業園區的劃設，也確實可以落實到……"],["劉部長世芳：鄉村規劃。"],["丁委員學忠：又確實可以落實到我們城鄉發展區發展的範圍。因為其實種植糧食的不只是雲林縣，如果只要內需，以目前我們全國的種植量，內需就已經夠了，所以不一定要把國土計畫法用到……我每天出去，都被問：怎麼辦？還有什麼？農一、農二未來遇到天然災害，補助會有差別嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：沒有，絕對沒有。"],["劉部長世芳：完全不是。"],["丁委員學忠：這也是很大的問題。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，因為現在看到的就是雲林縣政府還沒送出來，所以我們不知道它農業發展區農一、農二到底最後是怎麼劃的，我們是希望他們提出版本的時候，我們就可以來溝通。我舉一個例子，南投的部分，有一些土地被劃成國保區，我們覺得比較沒道理，所以我們會去協調把它劃為農業發展區。"],["劉部長世芳：對。"],["陳部長駿季：這樣的話會比較好。所以雲林的版本送出來以後，我們就可以對這個地方好好地去討論、溝通。"],["丁委員學忠：好，拜託部長你們費心一點，真的，我們雲林是漸漸走在進步、發展的方向當中。"],["陳部長駿季：我了解。"],["丁委員學忠：當然，如果真的確實來發展之後，中央也是功不可沒。"],["劉部長世芳：我們來支持雲林一定要發展。"],["丁委員學忠：這也都要感謝大家共同配合地方的發展，這是我們擔任公職的一個責任，所以拜託院長、拜託兩位部長，針對國土計畫法可以做一個詳細的說明，或是詳細的規劃之後，跟我們地方縣政府來做一個詳細的討論，包括劃設的範圍、劃設的方式，有一個明確的條例讓我們的百姓知道，不要讓大家有充滿疑慮的感覺，這樣好不好？"],["劉部長世芳：是，我們會繼續溝通。"],["丁委員學忠：好，謝謝，今天就到這裡。下課！"],["卓院長榮泰：感謝委員，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝丁學忠委員質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","報告院會，今天下午是寶貴的一課，我們看到呂玉玲委員質詢是充滿了客家氣氛，丁學忠委員質詢充滿了閩南語的情境，臺灣民族文化非常五彩繽紛也百花齊放，非常值得珍惜，我自己個人也學習到很多。","報告院會，本日排定質詢的委員均已質詢完畢。謝謝卓院長、鄭副院長以及各部會首長列席答詢。10月1號（星期二）上午9點繼續開會，進行施政報告之質詢，現在休息。","休息（17時22分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":104,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","蔡其昌","陳雪生","吳春城","林俊憲","萬美玲","鍾佳濱","翁曉玲","林月琴","呂玉玲","王正旭","丁學忠"],"page_start":21,"meetingDate":["2024-09-27"],"gazette_id":"1137601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137601_00002","1137601_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1137601_00003"}}}