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00:02:49,385\n好那這個你們也不踩好那我們來看現在的多層次傳銷保護基金會我們簡稱傳保會我們來看他現在呢有哪些異議啊好我們現在這一次的呢專業的董事代表專業性不足第二個呢重外商跟親本土第三本席有一個具體的要求好傳保會長期向傳銷事業收取保惠費基金的已經多少錢了3億元\n\n8\n00:02:51,466 --> 00:02:55,168\n也就是說業者繳的民脂民膏無法發揮保護傳銷商的功能所以本席呢下一個定義就是現在您的作為一個評語公平會的帶領下傳保會是長期毫無作為的公平會怎麼會去帶領一個產業呢好那確實是你想帶領所以你們又毫無作為又怎麼沒作為呢先不降新利你連房幣也沒作為\n\n9\n00:03:16,859 --> 00:03:33,719\n縱觀傳保會開始的103年到現在113年10年了離譜的是什麼從來沒有一件協助傳銷商的訴訟你去完成一件代償而致死受害的傳銷商還是得自尋其他管道自救\n\n10\n00:03:35,546 --> 00:03:54,411\n傳保會為什麼種外商跟親本土來我們就把這一次的名單拿起來我們有幾個代表有傳銷事業代表董事傳銷商代表董事然後有這個學者專家代表董事以及監察人我們來看傳銷商事業董事這三個人當中有兩個就外商\n\n11\n00:03:55,491 --> 00:04:20,078\n你們就直接找直銷協會推薦這個表很清楚那你們傳銷商的代表連基層都會受害的傳銷商代表你們還是找外商而且這個外商都是美商關於這個公平會叫做美商的公平會你們就是捍衛美商的利益捍衛美商傳銷商的利益的公平會\n\n12\n00:04:22,139 --> 00:04:46,878\n這個當中除了聯法一席為本土的代表就是在傳銷事業其餘的傳銷事業跟傳銷商全部都是美商好再來以往多層次傳銷工會我們有工會喔工會是本土全部都是本國的喔拿著自己的血汗錢打天下還能夠立足台灣放眼全球過往的傳銷商工會理事長是當然懂事這個理事長是會換的\n\n13\n00:04:50,180 --> 00:05:11,586\n沒有特定的但是你們這屆當中就把他排除在外了好那再來看這個學者專家這邊有4個12345這5個這3個全部叫做公平會幫要嘛就是公平會的政府官員退休要嘛就是公平會的委員卸任好嗎那再來兩個學者這兩個學者他們學有專精但\n\n14\n00:05:16,087 --> 00:05:32,959\n就不是傳銷的本質也不是傳也不懂傳銷產業破缺需求的門外漢好本席具體的要求在一個月內你要完成這幾件事情第一個完成調整傳保會的董事比例增加本土專業代表\n\n15\n00:05:33,459 --> 00:06:01,579\n所謂專業就是瞭解這個產業的第二個一個月內要提出傳寶會的心力防弊的方案因為你的傳寶會基本上要防弊啊林建來10年了我還在這例子的質詢章中還去調出同樣跟你性質的財政部下的我們的這個消費者銀行跟消費者之間的評議中心欸哇這個真是真是捍衛消費者\n\n16\n00:06:03,220 --> 00:06:18,048\n你知道他那個案件我都有數據在我執行中公開的呈現你們竟然是領10年領件第三啊重新檢討傳保會存在的必要檢視法源正式的回文到底傳保費是屬於公部門的法人呢還是民間團體的組織\n\n17\n00:06:19,949 --> 00:06:19,969\n：林岱樺\n\n18\n00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:42,100\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n19\n00:07:03,329 --> 00:07:08,573\n那你所有的董監事都你在主導啊那個董監事我們有一個遴選的那個主委我為什麼說是公部門是公部門的財團法百分百投資還是說他是呢百分之像中鋼啊或者像我們一些財團法人政府投資49對啊那怎麼可以有公平會的官員在裡面呢\n\n20\n00:07:30,470 --> 00:07:58,745\n你怎麼可以主導這個公平會的是那個傳保會的所有的人事跟政策方向呢矛盾點就在這邊啊好在這麼多的這個董事當中公平會所推出去的代表名額有限那我們還是從傳銷商傳銷事業學者專家裡面來臨選而且有臨選辦法歷年來都是這樣的一個組成好林珍妍說一下話來看一下這個名單專家學者\n\n21\n00:07:59,745 --> 00:08:17,901\n五席當中就三行叫公平會的公平幫了五席就佔了一半了那再看之前您說這個是公會沒有推薦好那沒關係您說了就算所以本席就叫你一個月內趕快的召開臨時董建事會來調整這樣的董建事\n\n22\n00:08:20,843 --> 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