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00:01:38,305\n他會提點一些事情提點一些事情那就是因為像衛福部長說總統去罵這個環境部長那樣去罵人嘛是不是我沒有在場我不曉得他們是怎麼罵的罵的形容是一種形容詞對對對因為我直接講我們的我們的那個彭部長他說總統不是罵他總值要他這個\n\n5\n00:01:41,048 --> 00:01:42,831\n提點你還是說今天你自己要自我反省了\n\n6\n00:01:54,032 --> 00:02:11,426\n我覺得我對很多事情都是正面在思考我覺得他就是在就像好像就是長輩在提醒對行事情你要特別注意我覺得是好事另外一個一樣我剛才問過你見過總統對不對那總統你在見總統的場合總統進來你會起立嗎\n\n7\n00:02:18,789 --> 00:02:44,875\n起立這是一個基本的禮貌基本禮貌是但如果總統的秘書總統的幕僚跟你講說今天這個場合很輕鬆啦帶總統進來的時候不用起立你還會起立嗎我還是會起立你還是會起立對那總統今天進來對其他聽了總統的幕僚秘書說不用起立的人然後這個生氣了然後摔文件那你覺得這樣的情緒管理是好的是正確的嗎\n\n8\n00:02:45,945 --> 00:03:05,132\n我沒有在場我就沒有辦法來回答我直接跟你說啦跟人事長說啦我們所有的首長齁都是國家的棟樑跟人才沒錯吧來是為國家服務的啦對不對不是來當奴才任人家所謂的把尊嚴踩在地上嘛對不對\n\n9\n00:03:07,182 --> 00:03:22,948\n人跟人之間相互尊重是最基本的更何況是對行政首長所以我這邊也真的奉勸賴清德總統情緒管理EQ要加強一下所有不只是將官\n\n10\n00:03:24,215 --> 00:03:38,315\n包括環境部長彭啟明包括文事長在內包括這些我們國之棟樑我們的一些文官首長其實都是為國家奉獻服務的這點沒錯吧為國家奉獻服務沒錯吧\n\n11\n00:03:41,865 --> 00:03:45,428\n我們當公僕本來就是應該要做這些事情\n\n12\n00:03:56,917 --> 00:03:58,158\n今年3月的時候針對公務人員非常關心未來調整薪資的問題那你記得是什麼事情嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:21,897 --> 00:04:44,879\n調心法制化的問題還有就是軍公教待遇審議委員會要不要納入基層員工代表那記得人事長那時候怎麼回答的嗎我跟委員報告我們大概6月有找相關的Stateholder來開會那現在基本主軸大概有兩個方向一個是條帶的指標\n\n14\n00:04:46,400 --> 00:05:14,772\n譬如像物價通膨到3%我們就調還是怎樣因為我們現在還在中整因為有的人認為大概2%就要調然後調薪本來我們是設定大概就CPI那有些機關的同仁他們是覺得像經濟成長力啊GDP啊還有民間薪資的調整如果到達某一個部分也應該要調所以\n\n15\n00:05:15,772 --> 00:05:42,294\n現在還在中整大家的意見當中那至於那個委員會的代表我們原來有納進增加世衛公教人員的基層的代表各兩位阿他們也是有期待說能不能再多一點我們原來的一個committee我們現在就是17變成21位那這21位裡面到底要增加多少\n\n16\n00:05:42,654 --> 00:05:44,695\n所以我們的基層員工納入代表已經在做了\n\n17\n00:06:02,169 --> 00:06:12,993\n主要就是兩大方向一個是條帶的已經進到我們的審議委員會裡面了嗎進去代表了嗎已經納入一個諮詢委員會有有審議委員會呢\n\n18\n00:06:16,414 --> 00:06:33,860\n未來的審議委員會可能就不需要存在了所以改成諮詢委員會嗎對諮詢委員會然後擴大把基層的公務員帶來拿去因為我覺得這樣會比較讓更多人可以來參與不要讓他們感覺好像是少數我們在做黑箱的這樣\n\n19\n00:06:35,225 --> 00:06:49,834\n所以我跟人事長講基本上我覺得公務員的心聲要聽進去因為我們想說基層員工代表其實代表比較廣大的公務員心聲那如果能夠把他們代表聲音放到我們的薪資調議的意見諮詢的機制裡面的話我覺得對我們這樣的公務員的調心我覺得意見會更全面對不對\n\n20\n00:06:56,678 --> 00:07:24,646\n但是另外一個我們講說法制化的部分像我剛剛聽那個這個我們人事長講已經在開始在做在做在做嘛但沒做完對不對因為整個收集還要我們還要還要進行還要進行公告啊我提醒人事長一件事如果說我們是今年3月才跟你講這件事情你跟我講說還有很多的作業研議的話我可以理解啦\n\n21\n00:07:25,677 --> 00:07:37,030\n但這個議題是今年3月才出來的議題嗎公元新之法之話是今年3月才出現的議題嗎因為我們現在坦白講是屬於在收尾的階段了\n\n22\n00:07:38,069 --> 00:08:02,331\n我希望趕快收尾事實上我不希望變成是像過去8年的這個所謂的嚴當跟反覆事實上在2016年2017年立法院法治局的研究報告以及監察院2018年的調查報告都有說出拖延過久有欠積極已經拖8年那麼我們不要再繼續在等8年好不好\n\n23\n00:08:03,769 --> 00:08:24,788\n我可以吧做得到我的目標是今年年底嘛年底要送到大約我沒躲幾個月了所以剛才那個命題應該是不存在這命題存在啦只是希望你用你的積極性解決它而已所以我是期免人事長不要每次加薪好像要搞一個黃恩浩蕩一樣他去仰望我們總統比席\n\n24\n00:08:25,549 --> 00:08:38,840\n我覺得不需要加薪是跟著物價跟著社會環境跟著其他的整個加薪的幅度公務員加薪應該是一個理所當然對不對堂堂正正的事情嘛對不對\n\n25\n00:08:39,923 --> 00:08:40,143\n我講的也不是賴清德總統啊抱歉\n\n26\n00:09:01,394 --> 00:09:15,524\n我講也包括以前的總統啊陳水扁馬英九或是說今天蔡英文我們就是法制化就是不要讓這個事情變成只是仰望一個人的上意嘛對不對那變成說今天按照社會情勢該給公務員就給嘛沒錯吧\n\n27\n00:09:19,401 --> 00:09:39,243\n事實上我的角色就是要幫所有公務人員謀求最大的福利反正總而言之我希望我們的人事長就是照你所說的今年年底能夠把這件事情完成公務人員的基層的員工代表進到我們的薪資的諮詢機制裡面\n\n28\n00:09:41,185 --> 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