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00:05:25,400\n還比較便宜這些費用包括餐廳的這個費用外上員的費用還有他的服務費總體的那這樣子是不是不實廣告我就問你我假設這個是屬實這樣是不是不實廣告我們要看他廣告所謂比較便宜是哪一些沒有你就是要我假設問你說是用A品項去比較的話\n\n16\n00:05:27,150 --> 00:05:32,131\n假設是用餐點的品項去比較的話如果屬實這樣是不是不實廣告跟他講的跟他做的不一樣這樣是不是不實廣告我覺得你的頭腦有一點問題你完全不理解我現在在問你的是什麼我再跟你說\n\n17\n00:05:52,058 --> 00:05:57,890\n為什麼大家都會覺得公平會可有可無好像是沒有在作為好像是消極為什麼因為\n\n18\n00:06:00,916 --> 00:06:06,479\n在韓國我不曉得你有沒有看過這個例子韓國的公平會開罰了Coupon38億為什麼開罰因為他濫用濫用這個評論這個韓國的知名電商Coupon6月在韓國的公平交易委員會開罰他34億台幣的罰單為什麼\n\n19\n00:06:25,447 --> 00:06:35,793\n因為他們使用不公平的演算法外加大量動員員工去算寫這個商品評價藉此誤導消費者做選擇那我現在就想要想要問你啊主委主委我問你假設臺灣也是啊這個coupon在臺灣也可以看得到啊同樣一個例子你在臺灣的公平會你要不要作為\n\n20\n00:06:54,124 --> 00:07:11,373\n第一個就是說如果有不實廣告如果有違反我們公平交易法的規定我們當然要去處理所以本席現在就提醒你啊臺灣的coupon你要不要去積極調查coupon他在韓國的這個經營模式譬如說他商品來源一模一樣一模一樣這個虛偽的評論在臺灣也看得到也買得到這麼明顯的一個案例你也沒有要積極作為啊\n\n21\n00:07:21,158 --> 00:07:34,810\n如果有其他的電商平台也使用這種虛偽的購買心得是不是也違反我們的台灣公平法台灣公平交易法你要怎麼處理不是代言是他發動內部的員工去寫曝食的評論\n\n22\n00:07:41,836 --> 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Panda目前全案的進度為何?辦理的到什麼程度?\n跟委員說明我們是5月收到這個案子那因為這個案子是會涉及到市場結構的改變在公平會審查會涉及到市場結構改變的案子所以進步到什麼程度目前請這個當事人補正還在補正階段\n對還在補正階段你也還沒有決定說到底要不要核准文件要齊備才有沒有才判斷是不是我想這已經大家都多次討論本席比較擔心的是兩大外送平台的合併可能削弱這個市場競爭\n﹚張嘉郡﹚\n指財成本就已經佔了大概是六成左右那電租再加15%的話利潤大概就是25%現在的店家一定都會要漲價來因應這件事情那如果未來的環境更惡化吃虧的始終是消費者\n包括說如何保障這15萬外送員工的權益我想這個是公平會也需要去考量在你同意或不同意之前你一定要去考量那包括這一點這點可能跟你比較有關係外送平臺都會收取月費跟年費主委你有加入外送平臺嗎\n蔣麗芸議員\n會員的專屬折扣更便宜省更多但是目前有網友在網路發現同品項的會員跟非會員顯示的價格竟然不一樣反而沒有買會員的餐點會更便宜那這一點是不是應該你要介入的\n委員我跟你說明你剛剛提到兩點這是不是不實廣告如果他有這個會員跟非會員他對會員有宣稱有什麼優惠沒有達到這個優惠的這個內容這有可能涉及到不實廣告所以本席現在就告訴你說你應該主動積極的比其他的比如說金牌銀牌或是銅牌或是其他非會員這個比較的落差跟本身沒有依據他的這個優惠的條件\n這是不一樣的考量沒有我現在跟你講的你到底聽不聽得懂我在跟你講的是他已經說會員會更便宜但是會員沒有更便宜那這個要整個我的這個案子我有了解是吧那\n所謂的便宜 所謂的便宜 所謂的便宜 所謂的便宜 所謂的便宜 所謂的便宜 所謂的便宜 所謂的便宜\n免運費然後會員有專屬折扣啊假設同樣一個品項你非會員比會員便宜這樣子是不是不實廣告我們可以去了解為什麼你會這麼的沒有辦法判斷呢我真是無法理解\n就是外送平台的廣告都是加入會員比較便宜那現在加入會員的人可能是被認為忠誠度比較高所以反而減少優惠這難道不是不實廣告嗎當然是餐點的價格阿如果假設他餐點點A點A餐點會員價跟非會員價非會員價\n還比較便宜 這些費用包括餐廳的這個費用 外上員的費用 還有他的服務費 總體的那這樣子是不是不實廣告 我就問你 我假設這個是屬實這樣是不是不實廣告我們要看他廣告所謂比較便宜是哪一些 沒有你就是要 我假設問你說是用A品項去比較的話\n假設是用餐點的品項去比較的話如果屬實這樣是不是不實廣告跟他講的跟他做的不一樣這樣是不是不實廣告我覺得你的頭腦有一點問題你完全不理解我現在在問你的是什麼我再跟你說\n為什麼大家都會覺得公平會可有可無好像是沒有在作為好像是消極為什麼因為\n在韓國我不曉得你有沒有看過這個例子韓國的公平會開罰了Coupon38億為什麼開罰因為他濫用濫用這個評論這個韓國的知名電商Coupon6月在韓國的公平交易委員會開罰他34億台幣的罰單為什麼\n因為他們使用不公平的演算法外加大量動員員工去算寫這個商品評價藉此誤導消費者做選擇那我現在就想要想要問你啊主委主委我問你假設臺灣也是啊這個coupon在臺灣也可以看得到啊同樣一個例子你在臺灣的公平會你要不要作為\n第一個就是說如果有不實廣告如果有違反我們公平交易法的規定我們當然要去處理所以本席現在就提醒你啊臺灣的coupon你要不要去積極調查coupon他在韓國的這個經營模式譬如說他商品來源一模一樣一模一樣這個虛偽的評論在臺灣也看得到也買得到這麼明顯的一個案例你也沒有要積極作為啊\n如果有其他的電商平台也使用這種虛偽的購買心得是不是也違反我們的台灣公平法台灣公平交易法你要怎麼處理不是代言是他發動內部的員工去寫曝食的評論\n在公平網有處罰的規定但是這個案子我們目前沒有看到我相信你目前沒有看到現在就是提醒你去看嘛現在提醒你去調查嘛難道是我要整理好幫你調查是嗎所以本席想要回到我之前說的話公平會要面對的是不斷進步的商業科技的挑戰公平會不能只靠吹哨者\n你們要主動的對業者宣導甚至是主動的調查才能夠落實保障市場的秩序才可以變成守護這個市場正常運作的守護者否則你太被動啦你現在今天從早到晚講的都是這個交給司法這個交給什麼什麼調查那我再另外問你我再另外問你一個\n不只是訂餐有會員比較便宜的問題叫車也有這種狀況根據媒體報導你的手機快沒電的時候叫車會比較貴因為透過數據的系統分析你的分析你的手機快沒電了所以你的需求比較急迫\n因此抬高價錢這個並非是單純市場的供需原則而是做出分析比較之後覺得說這樣子你比較需要這個有沒有違反公平交易法我想跟委員說明在公平法對於限制競爭不公平競爭我們一定處理我現在就問你用科技獨取個資來決定價格這樣子是否違法\n你好好思考謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.289 --> 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