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00:02:03,425\n首先跟委員報告就是說小面積的建築我們當然會檢討但是它其實也是屬於條例符合的內容我們也鼓勵相關的建物其實當初在制定的時候就是希望說有一些降低一些那個都更的門檻讓真正危險的房子他們有機會能夠有重建的機會這是小面積的那個\n\n7\n00:02:05,075 --> 00:02:27,874\n對,那小面積獎勵當然就比較少所以我們會積極來做一些研討研擬那我們相關的危老條例呢我們也會進行那個檢討因為相關的屆期已經將近那我們就已經推動相關的課題的檢討那國內外危險建物的一些重建制度的研修還有一些產官學的研究那像這個危老時程的容積獎勵的話應該是到這個明年就會這個嘛\n\n8\n00:02:29,035 --> 00:02:29,335\n現在北中蘭的狀況不太一樣\n\n9\n00:02:58,025 --> 00:03:03,312\n第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署\n\n10\n00:03:14,421 --> 00:03:33,201\n對,那這樣的話我們這個內政部針對這個部分要怎麼營業?有沒有什麼具體的措施?跟委員報告,其實我們在一方面是鼓勵就是說他能夠,因為最主要裡面現在降不下來其實是工資那因為材料、建材有一些部分都降價,但剩工資降不下來,所以我們都鼓勵\n\n11\n00:03:34,442 --> 00:03:45,505\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署二、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署三、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署四、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署五、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署六、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署七、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署八、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署九、審查委員王鴻薇等17人簽署十、審查委員王�\n\n12\n00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:29,730\n但是應該由內政部提出的預註公法容積獎勵修法原來是應該上半年就要規劃這個應該要提出來的但目前好像跳票喔也跟委員報告啦最主要是因為經過詳細的市場調查現在有能力乘坐而且是長時間乘坐的加數比較少那我們也擔心如果是只有因為這樣就提出預註公法可以獲得榮獎的話\n\n13\n00:04:30,911 --> 00:04:58,724\n它很可能只有少數的廠商能夠使用所以我們會接下來討論如果不寫預註公法而是改用這一類像我們剛剛所講的你是系統模板的那是不是它也可以適用那請問什麼時候可以提出我們最近會在開會再來修正因為最主要是調查因為你剛講的狀況的話這種預註廠商不可能在短期內就會以這個碼所以我們會修最主要是修改那個公法內容那是大概什麼時候可以提出總不可能這樣一直無限期的下去\n\n14\n00:04:59,464 --> 00:05:08,174\n公文報告我們在年底之前會做出一份報告出來來分析一下這整個適用的一個市場性是怎麼樣希望還是要因為我想這個我們不管是這個融資獎勵辦法到國土計劃法的執法其實到現在都還是很嚴當喔\n\n15\n00:05:14,642 --> 00:05:16,463\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具\n\n16\n00:05:38,918 --> 00:05:50,185\n總統府又在之前又召開了全社會防衛任性委員會今年12月要做桌上的兵推明年3月要地方演練然後還要成立40萬民兵由內政部這邊來負責組織單位加以訓練請問一下次長我們現在是要打仗了嗎要不然為什麼我很多接到很多這個鄉親的電話都說為什麼要傳這種影片感覺他們都心生惶恐\n\n17\n00:06:05,130 --> 00:06:32,628\n跟委員報告我們剛才已經報告過了我們是依據民防法、消防法、災害救助法等等相關條例我們去準備這個那這個的重點我剛才還是強調是針對我們的自然災害跟天然災害的發生我們是強化我們要強化因為我剛才講過先自救才能他救我們要訓練所有的國人針對這樣子的一個相關的危險的狀況內政部要配合這些事情的話預計要花費多少的預算跟經費\n\n18\n00:06:34,217 --> 00:07:01,888\n我們目前正在估算當中我們大概因為我在預算書裡面好像沒有看到編列相關的經費除了你原來之前的我們是依據我們目前的相關的經費去做推動因為這些東西本來就在民防法裡面就有規範所以本來我們是民防大概是20萬人力嘛你現在變成40萬民兵所以你還是用原來的經費去推動的話那這個部分你們有辦法推動嗎\n\n19\n00:07:02,608 --> 00:07:13,999\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具︰\n\n20\n00:07:26,030 --> 00:07:43,809\n可是呢因為其實在6月的時候確實有宮廟收到苗栗縣後備指揮部的公文要求簽署彈藥預存點的支援協定書那請問這個部分的話目前是不是就暗示說我們這些彈藥有可能會放在宮廟裡呢\n\n21\n00:07:44,775 --> 00:08:06,573\n沒有我想當初那個公文其實不是這個意思我們只是要去了解周邊的環境的狀況我要再一次強調公廟本來就是放香火他不是放軍火那我們希望是說透過整個全體民防的加強特別是針對我們一些相關物資的準備因為很多物資需要準備的地方像今天颱風嘛\n\n22\n00:08:07,534 --> 00:08:13,037\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇\n\n23\n00:08:36,732 --> 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09:40:14","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查行政院函請審議「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員李彥秀等17人擬具「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案。【第一案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】\n\n【9月30日、10月2日及3日三天一次會】）","id":154953,"gazette":{"lineno":150,"blocks":[["許委員宇甄：（9時31分）謝謝主席，我們是不是請董次長？"],["主席：好，請董次。"],["許委員宇甄：次長早。"],["董次長建宏：委員早。"],["許委員宇甄：次長，我想請教您，根據今年Q1的資料，全臺住宅平均屋齡已經達到32年，其中屋齡30年以上的比例就達51%；50年以上的就有101萬戶，也就是平均兩間就有一間是30年以上的老房子，請問一下，對於老房子的重建，我們現在的政策是什麼？只要是老房子就可以用危老條例嗎？"],["董次長建宏：原則上我們的都更條例跟危老條例都可以適用，因為危險暨老舊是兩個條件，一個是危險，一個是老舊，所以只要是老舊的房子，它也可以提出。"],["許委員宇甄：請問一下，其實採用危老條例之後，都更可能就更加困難了，為什麼？因為危老條例並沒有限制改建的基地面積對不對？"],["董次長建宏：對。"],["許委員宇甄：所以像現在臺南就有一個9.13坪的建築面積重建，這樣其實就造成臺灣可能會有很多像餅乾樓、竹竿樓這種狀況，都市景觀也會越來越醜。所以像這樣的一個狀況，目前我們的都市危險及老舊建築物加速重建條例的實施期限是訂在116年的5月31號，未來政府打算怎麼做呢？"],["董次長建宏：首先跟委員報告，小面積的建築我們當然會檢討，但是它其實也是屬於條例符合的內容，我們也鼓勵相關的建物……其實當初在制定的時候，就是希望降低一些都更的門檻，讓真正危險的房子能夠有重建的機會，這是小面積的部分，而小面積獎勵當然就比較少，所以我們會積極來做一些研擬。相關的危老條例我們也會進行檢討，因為期限將屆，我們已經推動相關課題的檢討，至於國內外危險建物一些重建制度的研析，還有一些產官學的意見……"],["許委員宇甄：像這個危老時程容積獎勵應該是到明年就會結束……"],["董次長建宏：對，時程我們會落日。"],["許委員宇甄：那這個時程就不會再延了？"],["董次長建宏：對，時程我們會落日。"],["許委員宇甄：OK，我想請教一下，現在營造業因為受到疫情、通膨跟人口結構多重的影響，所以社會住宅營建成本也提高很多，請問一下，目前社會住宅每坪的營建成本大概要多少？請吳署長。"],["吳署長欣修：感謝委員詢問，現在北中南的狀況不太一樣，北部尤其是臺北大概最高22到23萬；可是在南部的話大概是17到18；中部的部分大概是18到19左右，所以各地不一，但是的確像委員講的，有提高的現象。"],["許委員宇甄：對，這樣的話，內政部針對這個部分要怎麼因應？有沒有什麼具體的措施？"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，我們一方面是鼓勵，因為現在降不下來的其實最主要是工資，材料、建材有一些部分都降價，但剩工資降不下來，所以我們都鼓勵營造廠能夠多提出一些類似像預鑄或是系統模板，這類的話它可以減少人力的使用。"],["許委員宇甄：剛剛署長提到預鑄的部分，其實以這個部分，我知道內政部建築研究所在今年的2月就已經公告建築物預鑄率申請評定作業要點……"],["吳署長欣修：是。"],["許委員宇甄：但是應該由內政部提出的預鑄工法容積獎勵修法，原來應該是上半年就要規劃、應該要提出來的，但目前好像跳票喔？所以是什麼狀況？"],["吳署長欣修：也跟委員報告，最主要是因為經過詳細的市場調查，現在有能力承作而且是長時間承作的家數比較少，我們也擔心，如果因為這樣提出預鑄工法就可以獲得容獎的話，很可能只有少數的廠商能夠使用。所以我們接著也在討論，如果不寫預鑄工法，而是改用這一類像我們剛剛所講的系統模板的，是不是它也可以適用？"],["許委員宇甄：請問什麼時候可以提出？"],["吳署長欣修：我們最近會開會再來修正，因為最主要是調查……"],["許委員宇甄：因為就你剛剛講的狀況的話，這種預鑄廠商不可能在短期內就會增加……"],["吳署長欣修：對，所以我們最主要是修改那個工法內容。"],["許委員宇甄：這樣子的話，大概什麼時候可以提出？總不可能這樣一直無限期的下去吧？"],["吳署長欣修：我瞭解，跟委員報告，我們在年底之前會做一份報告出來，來分析一下這整個適用的一個市場性是怎麼樣，然後再來做決定。"],["許委員宇甄：希望還是要，因為不管是容積獎勵辦法到國土計畫法的子法，其實到現在都還是很延宕，內政部都是慢吞吞的，希望能夠儘快的加速。"],["董次長建宏：我們會再加速。"],["許委員宇甄：另外，我再請教一下次長，我們最近網路手機一直在轉傳，我們看到一個賴總統錄影宣導的一個影片「若欲活落來」就要好好的準備緊急避難包，要準備水、乾糧、醫療包紮物品、手電筒、衣褲。總統府在之前又召開了全社會防衛韌性委員會，今年12月要做桌上的兵推，明年3月要地方演練，然後還要成立40萬民兵由內政部這邊擔任主責單位加以訓練。請問一下次長，我們現在是要打仗了嗎？不然為什麼我接到很多鄉親的電話都說：為什麼要傳這種影片？感覺他們都心生惶恐！"],["董次長建宏：跟委員報告，剛才已經報告過了，我們是依據民防法、消防法、災害防救法等等去做準備，這個的重點，我剛才還是強調是針對我們的自然災害跟天然災害的發生……"],["許委員宇甄：以前沒有嗎？"],["董次長建宏：我們是強化，我們要強化，因為我剛才講過「先自救，才能他救」，我們要訓練所有的國人，針對這樣一個危險的狀況……"],["許委員宇甄：好，請問一下內政部要配合這些事情的話，預計要花費多少的預算跟經費？"],["董次長建宏：我們目前正在估算當中，大概相關……"],["許委員宇甄：因為我在預算書裡面好像沒有看到編列相關的經費，除了你原來之前的，現在這個新的事情……"],["董次長建宏：我們是依據目前相關的經費去做推動，因為這些東西本來在民防法裡面就有規範，我們是積極去處理……"],["許委員宇甄：本來我們民防大概是20萬人力嘛，你現在變成40萬民兵，所以你還是用原來的經費去推動的話，這個部分你們有辦法推動嗎？"],["董次長建宏：因為我們有包括義交還有義勇大隊，我們一些相關的人力……"],["許委員宇甄：所以這個部分相關的經費，是不是能夠請在一週內送給我們內政委員會？"],["董次長建宏：好，我們會儘速提供。"],["許委員宇甄：另外，在9月27號的全社會防衛韌性委員會會後的記者會，我們劉部長有提到宮廟是放香火的，不是放軍火的。可是其實在6月的時候，確實有宮廟收到苗栗縣後備指揮部的公文，要求簽署彈藥預屯點支援協定書，請問這個部分是不是暗示我們這些彈藥有可能會放在宮廟裡呢？"],["董次長建宏：沒有，我想當初那個公文其實不是這個意思，我們只是要去瞭解周邊環境的狀況，我要再一次強調，宮廟本來就是放香火，不是放軍火，我們希望是透過整個全民民防的加強，特別是針對我們一些相關物資的準備，因為有很多物資需要準備的地方，像今天颱風，比方說颱風我們需要……"],["許委員宇甄：次長，既然這樣的話……"],["董次長建宏：宮廟有一些資訊的準備或物資的準備……"],["許委員宇甄：對，因為大家都知道宮廟就是有香火的地方，不可能放彈藥嘛！這真的危險性高……"],["董次長建宏：但是它可以放一些相關的物資嘛！我們一些物資的準備應該可以放在那邊……"],["許委員宇甄：好，所以是不是請內政部可以發函給苗栗後備指揮部，副本給國防部，要求不得與宮廟簽訂彈藥預屯點支援協定書？"],["董次長建宏：我們來瞭解一下狀況。"],["許委員宇甄：好，這個部分麻煩，如果放的是一些戰備儲糧，當然原則上沒有問題，但是如果是彈藥的話就絕對萬萬不可。"],["董次長建宏：我們會瞭解一下狀況。"],["許委員宇甄：好，再麻煩董次長，謝謝。"],["董次長建宏：謝謝委員。"],["主席：好，謝謝，謝謝許委員。","我們請黃建賓委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":276,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-2","speakers":["張宏陸","李彥秀","王鴻薇","蘇巧慧","麥玉珍","許宇甄","黃建賓","丁學忠","王美惠","黃捷","徐欣瑩","李柏毅","吳琪銘","牛煦庭","張智倫","李坤城","黃健豪","徐巧芯","羅智強","張啓楷","邱志偉","洪孟楷","張嘉郡"],"page_start":213,"meetingDate":["2024-09-30"],"gazette_id":"1137801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1137801_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查行政院函請審議「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案；二、審查委員王鴻薇等\n20人擬具「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員李彥秀等17人擬具「都市\n更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1137801_00010"}}}