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00:03:10,571\n這個週末教師節剛過我看到不分黨派的立委尤其在野黨的委員大家也都在臉書社群上PO出祝福老師教師節快樂我們爭取老師的福祉會越做越多結果擋下了軍公教包括老師3%調薪的方案那您現在做什麼努力呢?這麼大條要怎麼辦?\n\n11\n00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:35,815\n我就是心裡默默期待可以進入到那個實質的預算審查其實人事長您是非常有經驗我知道你這段時間也不斷的去穿梭各黨的委員的辦公室就是要讓各黨的委員都知道不要為了\n\n12\n00:03:37,075 --> 00:03:56,474\n對抗不同政黨之間的不同意見而造成服務國家的軍公教人員的權益受到傷害我剛剛看到好多委員都要求你們趕快把軍公教條新的法制化提出來\n\n13\n00:03:57,995 --> 00:04:17,708\n那很多委員還說因為要法制化才可以確保擴大照顧公務體系因為要法制化才可以避免公務人員調薪成為這個長官看長官臉色或者是一種恩己的制度其實我要挑戰這種說法一個國家要照顧我們的公務體系的同仁們有很多要審酌的\n\n14\n00:04:35,038 --> 00:04:45,723\n蔡英文總統賴清德總統連四條而且今年是首度也是史上第一次吧連續兩年都調應當是史上第一次吧\n\n15\n00:04:46,903 --> 00:04:47,103\n馬英九執政委員會議\n\n16\n00:05:03,524 --> 00:05:30,052\n所以回到制度現在已經有一個設置要點也就是我們組成的審議委員會一個設置要點已經有可以參加已經相對有一套制度了那未來是不是要法制化我尊重你們的言議因為它的面向非常的廣要參著的指標指數非常的多我個人也認為不需要為快而快現在沒有所謂的\n\n17\n00:05:31,468 --> 00:05:45,002\n委員所說的要法制化才能調心並沒有嗎目前沒有法制化可是經濟發展有成果稅客收入有成長我們就想方設法來照顧公務同仁不是嗎不需要為快而快來周詳的來研議這是我的立場好下一頁\n\n18\n00:05:52,014 --> 00:06:14,238\n那這幾年來我說的軍公教員工有待遇審議委員會有你們的要點可以參採以今年調薪當然就看到你們7月18的審議結果很具體的就是如同我說的他必須符合各項財經的指標是正向的發展因為政府拼經濟有成今年呢113年經濟成長率達到3.94較去年增加2.66個百分點\n\n19\n00:06:20,459 --> 00:06:42,787\n然後預估消費者物價指數的年增率也因為拼經濟有成增加了2.07所以民間的薪資跟基本的工資也正向的成長所以在這些條件之下我們願意用國家的預算讓軍公教的待遇來調整全民共享經濟發展的紅利\n\n20\n00:06:45,928 --> 00:07:08,011\n我以這一頁我要說的就是現行的機制是一個員工待遇的審議委員會未來要改良要擴編我也樂觀其成但是所有的指標都應當回到一個理性可行的方案我希望未來納入你們法制化的研議真的不需要因為\n\n21\n00:07:09,312 --> 00:07:28,899\n政治的壓力為快而快我很擔心制度要讓他非常的嚴謹跟完整這是我的提醒當然我也要呼籲當我們在野黨的委員這麼大聲疾呼的要照顧軍公教的待遇要求將條新法制化的同時就應當想想現在222億還被擋住\n\n22\n00:07:35,541 --> 00:07:36,702\n您同意我的觀點吧?我們繼續強化遊說好嗎?\n\n23\n00:07:52,863 --> 00:08:14,962\n所以您站在這裡應該心情很複雜啦一方面委員都逼你趕快把調新的法制化端出來可是另一方面委員都不願意幫你一把趕快把調新的馬上現主席可以花的3%花下去嘛所以您當是百味雜陳我們繼續加油好嗎來下一頁\n\n24\n00:08:19,744 --> 00:08:48,383\n我長期在倡議的公務體系的心理價我們希望在現有的10種價別之外來增加一個心理價而我也多次論述心理價不是只有放假本身他是一個在EAP的方案之外能夠讓我們接住心靈健康需要我們關懷的公務同仁下一頁\n\n25\n00:08:49,464 --> 00:09:06,063\n那也謝謝您您正面的回應我您個人支持人事總處會努力來推進但是在你們4月跟全序部合開的研商公務人員請假規則的這個會議上是不是全序部有不同的意見對不對\n\n26\n00:09:07,284 --> 00:09:30,157\n我這裡要說明一下我在3月6號事實上我是完全支持委員的想法因為目前很多公務同仁都會有心理上的障礙有時候是顯性有時候是隱性的那這些人事實上也是被需要照顧的疫情而且是在我們所謂的EAP的範疇裡面\n\n27\n00:09:32,418 --> 00:09:33,558\n這就是我下面要來說的下一頁\n\n28\n00:09:57,885 --> 00:10:04,229\n在這場會議上全序部的意見說公務員請假會影響服務民眾的品質我想這個理由\n\n29\n00:10:08,744 --> 00:10:13,906\n請假是公務同仁的權利一個運作良好的政府也不應當因為公務員某人請假而影響服務民眾的品質所以他並不成立\n\n30\n00:10:29,554 --> 00:10:55,993\n循序部的意見就您剛講也是我最在意的循序部的同仁居然還認為心理架式有標籤化的疑慮怕被濫請或者是該請的人不敢請這就是我們要推動我們要突破的困境不要讓心理健康調適架成為一個被汙名化被妖魔化被不健康的認知這就是我要挑戰的\n\n31\n00:10:57,656 --> 00:11:18,722\n來下一頁下一頁下一頁我很快的再給您信心我去年質詢您的時候那個時候有43所46所大學已經有心理假其實早在吳思瑤開始默默的很寂寞的在立法院優先倡議一開始只有2022年兩校2023年15校到今年已經成長到126校下一頁\n\n32\n00:11:26,758 --> 00:11:39,784\n教育部也跟上來向下延伸至高中值就是今年8月已經全面教育部大突破也都有全方位的學生身心調適假下一頁\n\n33\n00:11:42,233 --> 00:12:10,519\n蔡總統推動的五大健康行動方案年輕族群的心理健康支持方案也擴大到下一頁賴清德總統在健康台灣裡頭從原本15到30歲的心理諮商再擴大到15到45歲每年三次我們預算變更多就是我們面對在現在高壓的生活社會樣態之下心理健康需要國家的支持下一頁\n\n34\n00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:35,129\n所以我希望我們不要放棄不要放棄心理架不是只有放不放架本身它對於我們我下一次會跟您探討EAP我們台灣公務體系的EAP做得夠不夠到位如果都到位如果也許心理架可以放到後面但如果EAP不夠到位\n\n35\n00:12:36,704 --> 00:12:57,857\n那我認為心理價就不應當因為一次的會議被打回票之後我們就放棄努力就像我們的國家政府總預算案一次被退我們不會放棄繼續遊說是一樣的我們要擴大照顧公務同仁的心理健康我們持續來努力好嗎好辛苦了謝謝謝謝主席謝謝思瑤幹事長謝謝蘇委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3885\t5386\t今天兩個主題就教於您好下一頁\n19609\t34328\t您服務公職非常久的時間我特別知道您好像一路從財政部從考試院從研考會然後一路到人事總處來服務嗎大概也幾十年的時間對不對\n35595\t36796\t在您擔任公務體系的不論是在哪一個部會單位有曾經發生過總預算案被擋下來的經驗嗎?\n56593\t72371\t印象中好像是沒有印象中沒有甚至有人說2008年民進黨有擋下這事實上就沒有2008年的時候民進黨只有27席不會也不可能擋下中央政府總預算案\n73112\t96637\t而今年我們碰到的挑戰是不只是院會被擋下退回成委會現在是連程序委員會是史上第一次破天荒國家政府總預算案關乎人民的福祉關乎國家的建設連程序委員會第一關排案掛號的權利都被剝奪了\n98317\t112243\t而當中的新興計劃就高達2050兩千餘億不能辦理新興計劃跟這個新增預算那跟您主管的部會裡頭影響最大的是哪一條\n113712\t116354\t所以您公務同仁您公務體系30多年的經驗第一次發生這樣的狀況下業\n130647\t132448\t其實中央編列的是222億包括122是中央支付90億是補助地方縣市政府10億是補助鄉鎮市政府所以加起來是222億\n146992\t162002\t如果說聯同這個條新能夠發放各縣制政府另外有一個50億的配合的補助換言之是如您剛講的272億但是跟中央政府總預算案相關的是222億我也覺得非常遺憾\n166905\t190571\t這個週末教師節剛過我看到不分黨派的立委尤其在野黨的委員大家也都在臉書社群上PO出祝福老師教師節快樂我們爭取老師的福祉會越做越多結果擋下了軍公教包括老師3%調薪的方案那您現在做什麼努力呢?這麼大條要怎麼辦?\n195410\t215815\t我就是心裡默默期待可以進入到那個實質的預算審查其實人事長您是非常有經驗我知道你這段時間也不斷的去穿梭各黨的委員的辦公室就是要讓各黨的委員都知道不要為了\n217075\t236474\t對抗不同政黨之間的不同意見而造成服務國家的軍公教人員的權益受到傷害我剛剛看到好多委員都要求你們趕快把軍公教條新的法制化提出來\n237995\t257708\t那很多委員還說因為要法制化才可以確保擴大照顧公務體系因為要法制化才可以避免公務人員調薪成為這個長官看長官臉色或者是一種恩己的制度其實我要挑戰這種說法一個國家要照顧我們的公務體系的同仁們有很多要審酌的\n275038\t285723\t蔡英文總統賴清德總統連四條而且今年是首度也是史上第一次吧連續兩年都調應當是史上第一次吧\n286903\t287103\t馬英九執政委員會議\n303524\t330052\t所以回到制度現在已經有一個設置要點也就是我們組成的審議委員會一個設置要點已經有可以參加已經相對有一套制度了那未來是不是要法制化我尊重你們的言議因為它的面向非常的廣要參著的指標指數非常的多我個人也認為不需要為快而快現在沒有所謂的\n331468\t345002\t委員所說的要法制化才能調心並沒有嗎目前沒有法制化可是經濟發展有成果稅客收入有成長我們就想方設法來照顧公務同仁不是嗎不需要為快而快來周詳的來研議這是我的立場好下一頁\n352014\t374238\t那這幾年來我說的軍公教員工有待遇審議委員會有你們的要點可以參採以今年調薪當然就看到你們7月18的審議結果很具體的就是如同我說的他必須符合各項財經的指標是正向的發展因為政府拼經濟有成今年呢113年經濟成長率達到3.94較去年增加2.66個百分點\n380459\t402787\t然後預估消費者物價指數的年增率也因為拼經濟有成增加了2.07所以民間的薪資跟基本的工資也正向的成長所以在這些條件之下我們願意用國家的預算讓軍公教的待遇來調整全民共享經濟發展的紅利\n405928\t428011\t我以這一頁我要說的就是現行的機制是一個員工待遇的審議委員會未來要改良要擴編我也樂觀其成但是所有的指標都應當回到一個理性可行的方案我希望未來納入你們法制化的研議真的不需要因為\n429312\t448899\t政治的壓力為快而快我很擔心制度要讓他非常的嚴謹跟完整這是我的提醒當然我也要呼籲當我們在野黨的委員這麼大聲疾呼的要照顧軍公教的待遇要求將條新法制化的同時就應當想想現在222億還被擋住\n455541\t456702\t您同意我的觀點吧?我們繼續強化遊說好嗎?\n472863\t494962\t所以您站在這裡應該心情很複雜啦一方面委員都逼你趕快把調新的法制化端出來可是另一方面委員都不願意幫你一把趕快把調新的馬上現主席可以花的3%花下去嘛所以您當是百味雜陳我們繼續加油好嗎來下一頁\n499744\t528383\t我長期在倡議的公務體系的心理價我們希望在現有的10種價別之外來增加一個心理價而我也多次論述心理價不是只有放假本身他是一個在EAP的方案之外能夠讓我們接住心靈健康需要我們關懷的公務同仁下一頁\n529464\t546063\t那也謝謝您您正面的回應我您個人支持人事總處會努力來推進但是在你們4月跟全序部合開的研商公務人員請假規則的這個會議上是不是全序部有不同的意見對不對\n547284\t570157\t我這裡要說明一下我在3月6號事實上我是完全支持委員的想法因為目前很多公務同仁都會有心理上的障礙有時候是顯性有時候是隱性的那這些人事實上也是被需要照顧的疫情而且是在我們所謂的EAP的範疇裡面\n572418\t573558\t這就是我下面要來說的下一頁\n597885\t604229\t在這場會議上全序部的意見說公務員請假會影響服務民眾的品質我想這個理由\n608744\t613906\t請假是公務同仁的權利一個運作良好的政府也不應當因為公務員某人請假而影響服務民眾的品質所以他並不成立\n629554\t655993\t循序部的意見就您剛講也是我最在意的循序部的同仁居然還認為心理架式有標籤化的疑慮怕被濫請或者是該請的人不敢請這就是我們要推動我們要突破的困境不要讓心理健康調適架成為一個被汙名化被妖魔化被不健康的認知這就是我要挑戰的\n657656\t678722\t來下一頁下一頁下一頁我很快的再給您信心我去年質詢您的時候那個時候有43所46所大學已經有心理假其實早在吳思瑤開始默默的很寂寞的在立法院優先倡議一開始只有2022年兩校2023年15校到今年已經成長到126校下一頁\n686758\t699784\t教育部也跟上來向下延伸至高中值就是今年8月已經全面教育部大突破也都有全方位的學生身心調適假下一頁\n702233\t730519\t蔡總統推動的五大健康行動方案年輕族群的心理健康支持方案也擴大到下一頁賴清德總統在健康台灣裡頭從原本15到30歲的心理諮商再擴大到15到45歲每年三次我們預算變更多就是我們面對在現在高壓的生活社會樣態之下心理健康需要國家的支持下一頁\n731679\t755129\t所以我希望我們不要放棄不要放棄心理架不是只有放不放架本身它對於我們我下一次會跟您探討EAP我們台灣公務體系的EAP做得夠不夠到位如果都到位如果也許心理架可以放到後面但如果EAP不夠到位\n756704\t777857\t那我認為心理價就不應當因為一次的會議被打回票之後我們就放棄努力就像我們的國家政府總預算案一次被退我們不會放棄繼續遊說是一樣的我們要擴大照顧公務同仁的心理健康我們持續來努力好嗎好辛苦了謝謝謝謝主席謝謝思瑤幹事長謝謝蘇委員\n","txt":"今天兩個主題就教於您好下一頁\n您服務公職非常久的時間我特別知道您好像一路從財政部從考試院從研考會然後一路到人事總處來服務嗎大概也幾十年的時間對不對\n在您擔任公務體系的不論是在哪一個部會單位有曾經發生過總預算案被擋下來的經驗嗎?\n印象中好像是沒有印象中沒有甚至有人說2008年民進黨有擋下這事實上就沒有2008年的時候民進黨只有27席不會也不可能擋下中央政府總預算案\n而今年我們碰到的挑戰是不只是院會被擋下退回成委會現在是連程序委員會是史上第一次破天荒國家政府總預算案關乎人民的福祉關乎國家的建設連程序委員會第一關排案掛號的權利都被剝奪了\n而當中的新興計劃就高達2050兩千餘億不能辦理新興計劃跟這個新增預算那跟您主管的部會裡頭影響最大的是哪一條\n所以您公務同仁您公務體系30多年的經驗第一次發生這樣的狀況下業\n其實中央編列的是222億包括122是中央支付90億是補助地方縣市政府10億是補助鄉鎮市政府所以加起來是222億\n如果說聯同這個條新能夠發放各縣制政府另外有一個50億的配合的補助換言之是如您剛講的272億但是跟中央政府總預算案相關的是222億我也覺得非常遺憾\n這個週末教師節剛過我看到不分黨派的立委尤其在野黨的委員大家也都在臉書社群上PO出祝福老師教師節快樂我們爭取老師的福祉會越做越多結果擋下了軍公教包括老師3%調薪的方案那您現在做什麼努力呢?這麼大條要怎麼辦?\n我就是心裡默默期待可以進入到那個實質的預算審查其實人事長您是非常有經驗我知道你這段時間也不斷的去穿梭各黨的委員的辦公室就是要讓各黨的委員都知道不要為了\n對抗不同政黨之間的不同意見而造成服務國家的軍公教人員的權益受到傷害我剛剛看到好多委員都要求你們趕快把軍公教條新的法制化提出來\n那很多委員還說因為要法制化才可以確保擴大照顧公務體系因為要法制化才可以避免公務人員調薪成為這個長官看長官臉色或者是一種恩己的制度其實我要挑戰這種說法一個國家要照顧我們的公務體系的同仁們有很多要審酌的\n蔡英文總統賴清德總統連四條而且今年是首度也是史上第一次吧連續兩年都調應當是史上第一次吧\n馬英九執政委員會議\n所以回到制度現在已經有一個設置要點也就是我們組成的審議委員會一個設置要點已經有可以參加已經相對有一套制度了那未來是不是要法制化我尊重你們的言議因為它的面向非常的廣要參著的指標指數非常的多我個人也認為不需要為快而快現在沒有所謂的\n委員所說的要法制化才能調心並沒有嗎目前沒有法制化可是經濟發展有成果稅客收入有成長我們就想方設法來照顧公務同仁不是嗎不需要為快而快來周詳的來研議這是我的立場好下一頁\n那這幾年來我說的軍公教員工有待遇審議委員會有你們的要點可以參採以今年調薪當然就看到你們7月18的審議結果很具體的就是如同我說的他必須符合各項財經的指標是正向的發展因為政府拼經濟有成今年呢113年經濟成長率達到3.94較去年增加2.66個百分點\n然後預估消費者物價指數的年增率也因為拼經濟有成增加了2.07所以民間的薪資跟基本的工資也正向的成長所以在這些條件之下我們願意用國家的預算讓軍公教的待遇來調整全民共享經濟發展的紅利\n我以這一頁我要說的就是現行的機制是一個員工待遇的審議委員會未來要改良要擴編我也樂觀其成但是所有的指標都應當回到一個理性可行的方案我希望未來納入你們法制化的研議真的不需要因為\n政治的壓力為快而快我很擔心制度要讓他非常的嚴謹跟完整這是我的提醒當然我也要呼籲當我們在野黨的委員這麼大聲疾呼的要照顧軍公教的待遇要求將條新法制化的同時就應當想想現在222億還被擋住\n您同意我的觀點吧?我們繼續強化遊說好嗎?\n所以您站在這裡應該心情很複雜啦一方面委員都逼你趕快把調新的法制化端出來可是另一方面委員都不願意幫你一把趕快把調新的馬上現主席可以花的3%花下去嘛所以您當是百味雜陳我們繼續加油好嗎來下一頁\n我長期在倡議的公務體系的心理價我們希望在現有的10種價別之外來增加一個心理價而我也多次論述心理價不是只有放假本身他是一個在EAP的方案之外能夠讓我們接住心靈健康需要我們關懷的公務同仁下一頁\n那也謝謝您您正面的回應我您個人支持人事總處會努力來推進但是在你們4月跟全序部合開的研商公務人員請假規則的這個會議上是不是全序部有不同的意見對不對\n我這裡要說明一下我在3月6號事實上我是完全支持委員的想法因為目前很多公務同仁都會有心理上的障礙有時候是顯性有時候是隱性的那這些人事實上也是被需要照顧的疫情而且是在我們所謂的EAP的範疇裡面\n這就是我下面要來說的下一頁\n在這場會議上全序部的意見說公務員請假會影響服務民眾的品質我想這個理由\n請假是公務同仁的權利一個運作良好的政府也不應當因為公務員某人請假而影響服務民眾的品質所以他並不成立\n循序部的意見就您剛講也是我最在意的循序部的同仁居然還認為心理架式有標籤化的疑慮怕被濫請或者是該請的人不敢請這就是我們要推動我們要突破的困境不要讓心理健康調適架成為一個被汙名化被妖魔化被不健康的認知這就是我要挑戰的\n來下一頁下一頁下一頁我很快的再給您信心我去年質詢您的時候那個時候有43所46所大學已經有心理假其實早在吳思瑤開始默默的很寂寞的在立法院優先倡議一開始只有2022年兩校2023年15校到今年已經成長到126校下一頁\n教育部也跟上來向下延伸至高中值就是今年8月已經全面教育部大突破也都有全方位的學生身心調適假下一頁\n蔡總統推動的五大健康行動方案年輕族群的心理健康支持方案也擴大到下一頁賴清德總統在健康台灣裡頭從原本15到30歲的心理諮商再擴大到15到45歲每年三次我們預算變更多就是我們面對在現在高壓的生活社會樣態之下心理健康需要國家的支持下一頁\n所以我希望我們不要放棄不要放棄心理架不是只有放不放架本身它對於我們我下一次會跟您探討EAP我們台灣公務體系的EAP做得夠不夠到位如果都到位如果也許心理架可以放到後面但如果EAP不夠到位\n那我認為心理價就不應當因為一次的會議被打回票之後我們就放棄努力就像我們的國家政府總預算案一次被退我們不會放棄繼續遊說是一樣的我們要擴大照顧公務同仁的心理健康我們持續來努力好嗎好辛苦了謝謝謝謝主席謝謝思瑤幹事長謝謝蘇委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.885 --> 00:05.386\n今天兩個主題就教於您好下一頁\n\n00:19.609 --> 00:34.328\n您服務公職非常久的時間我特別知道您好像一路從財政部從考試院從研考會然後一路到人事總處來服務嗎大概也幾十年的時間對不對\n\n00:35.595 --> 00:36.796\n在您擔任公務體系的不論是在哪一個部會單位有曾經發生過總預算案被擋下來的經驗嗎?\n\n00:56.593 --> 01:12.371\n印象中好像是沒有印象中沒有甚至有人說2008年民進黨有擋下這事實上就沒有2008年的時候民進黨只有27席不會也不可能擋下中央政府總預算案\n\n01:13.112 --> 01:36.637\n而今年我們碰到的挑戰是不只是院會被擋下退回成委會現在是連程序委員會是史上第一次破天荒國家政府總預算案關乎人民的福祉關乎國家的建設連程序委員會第一關排案掛號的權利都被剝奪了\n\n01:38.317 --> 01:52.243\n而當中的新興計劃就高達2050兩千餘億不能辦理新興計劃跟這個新增預算那跟您主管的部會裡頭影響最大的是哪一條\n\n01:53.712 --> 01:56.354\n所以您公務同仁您公務體系30多年的經驗第一次發生這樣的狀況下業\n\n02:10.647 --> 02:12.448\n其實中央編列的是222億包括122是中央支付90億是補助地方縣市政府10億是補助鄉鎮市政府所以加起來是222億\n\n02:26.992 --> 02:42.002\n如果說聯同這個條新能夠發放各縣制政府另外有一個50億的配合的補助換言之是如您剛講的272億但是跟中央政府總預算案相關的是222億我也覺得非常遺憾\n\n02:46.905 --> 03:10.571\n這個週末教師節剛過我看到不分黨派的立委尤其在野黨的委員大家也都在臉書社群上PO出祝福老師教師節快樂我們爭取老師的福祉會越做越多結果擋下了軍公教包括老師3%調薪的方案那您現在做什麼努力呢?這麼大條要怎麼辦?\n\n03:15.410 --> 03:35.815\n我就是心裡默默期待可以進入到那個實質的預算審查其實人事長您是非常有經驗我知道你這段時間也不斷的去穿梭各黨的委員的辦公室就是要讓各黨的委員都知道不要為了\n\n03:37.075 --> 03:56.474\n對抗不同政黨之間的不同意見而造成服務國家的軍公教人員的權益受到傷害我剛剛看到好多委員都要求你們趕快把軍公教條新的法制化提出來\n\n03:57.995 --> 04:17.708\n那很多委員還說因為要法制化才可以確保擴大照顧公務體系因為要法制化才可以避免公務人員調薪成為這個長官看長官臉色或者是一種恩己的制度其實我要挑戰這種說法一個國家要照顧我們的公務體系的同仁們有很多要審酌的\n\n04:35.038 --> 04:45.723\n蔡英文總統賴清德總統連四條而且今年是首度也是史上第一次吧連續兩年都調應當是史上第一次吧\n\n04:46.903 --> 04:47.103\n馬英九執政委員會議\n\n05:03.524 --> 05:30.052\n所以回到制度現在已經有一個設置要點也就是我們組成的審議委員會一個設置要點已經有可以參加已經相對有一套制度了那未來是不是要法制化我尊重你們的言議因為它的面向非常的廣要參著的指標指數非常的多我個人也認為不需要為快而快現在沒有所謂的\n\n05:31.468 --> 05:45.002\n委員所說的要法制化才能調心並沒有嗎目前沒有法制化可是經濟發展有成果稅客收入有成長我們就想方設法來照顧公務同仁不是嗎不需要為快而快來周詳的來研議這是我的立場好下一頁\n\n05:52.014 --> 06:14.238\n那這幾年來我說的軍公教員工有待遇審議委員會有你們的要點可以參採以今年調薪當然就看到你們7月18的審議結果很具體的就是如同我說的他必須符合各項財經的指標是正向的發展因為政府拼經濟有成今年呢113年經濟成長率達到3.94較去年增加2.66個百分點\n\n06:20.459 --> 06:42.787\n然後預估消費者物價指數的年增率也因為拼經濟有成增加了2.07所以民間的薪資跟基本的工資也正向的成長所以在這些條件之下我們願意用國家的預算讓軍公教的待遇來調整全民共享經濟發展的紅利\n\n06:45.928 --> 07:08.011\n我以這一頁我要說的就是現行的機制是一個員工待遇的審議委員會未來要改良要擴編我也樂觀其成但是所有的指標都應當回到一個理性可行的方案我希望未來納入你們法制化的研議真的不需要因為\n\n07:09.312 --> 07:28.899\n政治的壓力為快而快我很擔心制度要讓他非常的嚴謹跟完整這是我的提醒當然我也要呼籲當我們在野黨的委員這麼大聲疾呼的要照顧軍公教的待遇要求將條新法制化的同時就應當想想現在222億還被擋住\n\n07:35.541 --> 07:36.702\n您同意我的觀點吧?我們繼續強化遊說好嗎?\n\n07:52.863 --> 08:14.962\n所以您站在這裡應該心情很複雜啦一方面委員都逼你趕快把調新的法制化端出來可是另一方面委員都不願意幫你一把趕快把調新的馬上現主席可以花的3%花下去嘛所以您當是百味雜陳我們繼續加油好嗎來下一頁\n\n08:19.744 --> 08:48.383\n我長期在倡議的公務體系的心理價我們希望在現有的10種價別之外來增加一個心理價而我也多次論述心理價不是只有放假本身他是一個在EAP的方案之外能夠讓我們接住心靈健康需要我們關懷的公務同仁下一頁\n\n08:49.464 --> 09:06.063\n那也謝謝您您正面的回應我您個人支持人事總處會努力來推進但是在你們4月跟全序部合開的研商公務人員請假規則的這個會議上是不是全序部有不同的意見對不對\n\n09:07.284 --> 09:30.157\n我這裡要說明一下我在3月6號事實上我是完全支持委員的想法因為目前很多公務同仁都會有心理上的障礙有時候是顯性有時候是隱性的那這些人事實上也是被需要照顧的疫情而且是在我們所謂的EAP的範疇裡面\n\n09:32.418 --> 09:33.558\n這就是我下面要來說的下一頁\n\n09:57.885 --> 10:04.229\n在這場會議上全序部的意見說公務員請假會影響服務民眾的品質我想這個理由\n\n10:08.744 --> 10:13.906\n請假是公務同仁的權利一個運作良好的政府也不應當因為公務員某人請假而影響服務民眾的品質所以他並不成立\n\n10:29.554 --> 10:55.993\n循序部的意見就您剛講也是我最在意的循序部的同仁居然還認為心理架式有標籤化的疑慮怕被濫請或者是該請的人不敢請這就是我們要推動我們要突破的困境不要讓心理健康調適架成為一個被汙名化被妖魔化被不健康的認知這就是我要挑戰的\n\n10:57.656 --> 11:18.722\n來下一頁下一頁下一頁我很快的再給您信心我去年質詢您的時候那個時候有43所46所大學已經有心理假其實早在吳思瑤開始默默的很寂寞的在立法院優先倡議一開始只有2022年兩校2023年15校到今年已經成長到126校下一頁\n\n11:26.758 --> 11:39.784\n教育部也跟上來向下延伸至高中值就是今年8月已經全面教育部大突破也都有全方位的學生身心調適假下一頁\n\n11:42.233 --> 12:10.519\n蔡總統推動的五大健康行動方案年輕族群的心理健康支持方案也擴大到下一頁賴清德總統在健康台灣裡頭從原本15到30歲的心理諮商再擴大到15到45歲每年三次我們預算變更多就是我們面對在現在高壓的生活社會樣態之下心理健康需要國家的支持下一頁\n\n12:11.679 --> 12:35.129\n所以我希望我們不要放棄不要放棄心理架不是只有放不放架本身它對於我們我下一次會跟您探討EAP我們台灣公務體系的EAP做得夠不夠到位如果都到位如果也許心理架可以放到後面但如果EAP不夠到位\n\n12:36.704 --> 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