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00:01:08,259\n要來針對一些都市計劃前跟都市計劃後不同容積率的部分來做一個探討那我本席是非常的支持不過要跟部長報告一件事情最近我的辦公室被很多民眾打電話來很擔心一件事情我不知道部長知不知道一件事情在9月26號賴總統有主持一個全社會防衛任性委員會\n\n4\n00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:27,224\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條條文修正草案：一、審查委員王鴻薇\n\n5\n00:01:39,907 --> 00:01:48,749\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。\n\n6\n00:02:02,853 --> 00:02:03,193\n主席主席主席\n\n7\n00:02:21,358 --> 00:02:47,538\n但是根據我們的民防法、災救法還有我們的替代役的管理條例這三個是我們重要的法源基礎在民防法裡面最重要的一個功能就是維持社會穩定維持社會秩序維持民生運作像譬如說我們如果碰到大規模的震災或是大規模的天災的時候我們怎麼樣維持整個政府可以功能正常的運作其實就是需要用到大量的民力那這個部分這個部分呢所...對不起\n\n8\n00:02:48,519 --> 00:02:49,200\n國安局開會內容參考國家是烏克蘭\n\n9\n00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:26,957\n但是我在報告就是說內政部現在主責的單位第一個他依法有據就是像我剛剛跟你講了有三個部分就是三個法律就是災救法然後民防法跟替代役管理條例然後你所說的可視我所說的可視民力的部分第一個我們維持政府的正常運作跟交通安全或是其他的安全的話第一個我們就用到警跟消\n\n10\n00:03:27,557 --> 00:03:33,161\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n\n11\n00:03:54,794 --> 00:04:10,246\n其實你所說的我又有需要再做一下修正應該不是說做成軍事訓練應該是說第一個我們的警察本來就有保一、保二、保三、保四、保五、保六他們原來所保安的對象是本來就是在我們的法律上面規範的\n\n12\n00:04:11,187 --> 00:04:37,424\n對,那我記得就我得知基層的警員反彈聲音很大那現在因為基層已經反彈很重了現在我們所有當時的疫警、疫消或是民防他們當時都是處於一個熱心服務的狀態才需要來協助而且他們平常的作業都已經非常的忙碌所以我想請問部長你覺得賴清德總統他所謂的這個40萬不管是民兵也好這些民力的部分你覺得有機會成功嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:38,224 --> 00:04:49,490\n我跟委員報告一下您現在所說的好像是一切都從零開始但是事實上三個法律所授權的部分包括民防的訓練本來就會有像長訓或幹部訓練這個也本來就在訓練當中\n\n14\n00:04:54,052 --> 00:05:18,409\n現在不管你所提到的比如說我們可能有要做這個關鍵基礎設施會請這個有一些警察同仁來幫忙的部分我們所欠缺的就是在訓練的基礎上面夠不夠專業然後能不能維持關鍵基礎設施來幫忙我們社會進入好的維生系統所以這個部分必須要有一個觀念需要澄清第一個他不是從零開始去訓練軍隊他是從現有的民防\n\n15\n00:05:21,771 --> 00:05:36,837\n議警易消開始做好訓練再加上民間團體的支援我想這就是我們所謂的可視的民力這個民力跟民兵差得非常遠而且我們所依賴的對象不是所謂的烏克蘭我想要跟委員報告這一屆有太多這樣的誤解\n\n16\n00:05:38,783 --> 00:05:40,545\n報告委員我們並沒有編預算我們現在只有訓練的預算\n\n17\n00:05:57,359 --> 00:06:01,985\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。\n\n18\n00:06:13,660 --> 00:06:18,884\n二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n\n19\n00:06:40,803 --> 00:07:08,784\n最後我要跟部長拜託就是我知道最近這個中州科技大學最近因為學校這個人數越來越少現在已經會來退場內政部我記得有編列1比3億多的預算來做整修那我現在也是希望說部長就像我剛剛講的很多的警察因為可能現在這個軍營的人數越來越少很多警察我們現在需要他做一些軍事的支援那現在也需要疫情疫效來做一些軍事的支援\n\n20\n00:07:09,404 --> 00:07:27,714\n現在憲制連學校退役了以後也要來做我們民防軍事的相關的訓練我要想要請教我想要跟部長拜託就是說是不是我內政部我們在上個會期我們並肩作戰做了很多打炸事法的修正其實內政部應該多花一些預算在打炸\n\n21\n00:07:28,334 --> 00:07:56,513\n或是一些警員、消防員的預算等等這些預算應該多去編列而不是因為賴總統他的一個人他自己的想法而讓內政部要這樣疲於奔命我希望未來後續因為我相信民眾還有非常多的疑惑對這件事情所以希望說部長我知道這個會期你還沒有來大家還沒有見面討論過也希望說這個會期大家一起見面來討論把這件事情讓全民來了解警政署跟消防署的預算也請張委員多多支持\n\n22\n00:07:56,673 --> 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我們並沒有編預算 我們現在只有訓練的預算\n357359\t361985\t二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。\n373660\t378884\t二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。\n400803\t428784\t最後我要跟部長拜託就是我知道最近這個中州科技大學最近因為學校這個人數越來越少現在已經會來退場內政部我記得有編列1比3億多的預算來做整修那我現在也是希望說部長就像我剛剛講的很多的警察因為可能現在這個軍營的人數越來越少很多警察我們現在需要他做一些軍事的支援那現在也需要疫情疫效來做一些軍事的支援\n429404\t447714\t現在憲制連學校退役了以後也要來做我們民防軍事的相關的訓練我要想要請教 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